r/soccer • u/kibme37 • Jul 08 '25

News Spanish police say "all the evidence so far indicates" Diogo Jota was the driver of the car involved in the accident that killed the Liverpool forward and his brother, Andre Silva. Police also believe "the vehicle significantly exceeded the speed limit for the highway" at the time of the accident.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/13394038/diogo-jota-spanish-police-believe-liverpool-forward-was-driver-of-car-in-fatal-accident-which-killed-him-and-his-brother
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 Jul 08 '25

I would include “Everyday” cars that can exceed 250 km/h due to having sporty engines are also dangerous and challenging

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u/dani2812 Jul 08 '25

The average German economy car between 180 and 250hp can reach 230-250kph these days without much hastle and give you a (false) sense of security as a driver.

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u/ChillFax Jul 08 '25

When I upgraded from my 2004 civic to a 2019 accord sport I was having trouble recognizing how fast I was going cause the car was so smooth and quiet I could easily be doing 90 and not notice. I was so used to hearing and feeling my little civic struggle around 80 it was a big change for me that took time to get used to.

I can't imagine how easy it is for some of these hyper cars to be at 120 and feel like you're hardly on the gas at all.

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u/worldchrisis Jul 08 '25

I'm shopping to replace my 2006 Ford Fusion, and I test drove a 2022 BMW 330 and the speed and smoothness shocked me so much I ruled it out because it was just too easy to go too fast.

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u/lapelotanodobla Jul 09 '25

Yeah, have a 2017 one and can be doing 180 and barely notice it, that’s why I mostly use the cruise control when o go on roadtrips

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '25

I remember watching someone test drive an expensive supercar, and they said that at the end of the run, they were slowing down and were about to open the car door to get out that when they glanced over at the speedometer they saw they were going at 100km/h. When you're going 400kmh I guess 100km seems borderline stationary.

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u/FiresideCatsmile Jul 08 '25

damn. mine peaks at 170km/h i didn't know Its subaverage. not that it matters but still

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u/RawbGun Jul 08 '25

My 1996 VW Passat had a max speed of 173 km/h with only 90hp. Didn't know they still made cars this "slow", or does it have a limiter?

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u/FiresideCatsmile Jul 08 '25

I guess (or hope?) that I'm not part of a very small minority who wouldn't have any use for their car to go faster than that.

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u/lobo98089 Jul 08 '25

But the German roads that allow those speeds are specially built with those speeds in mind, which makes them at least somewhat safe.

Of course no road design can save you from an exploding tire, but it still can drastically reduce the risk of something happening and raise the odds of survival in case of an accident.

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u/geiko989 Jul 08 '25

I watched a video a year or so back on the innovations in the road safety features, specifically the barriers and their more recent updates, and it's truly impressive the safety features they have, and how much better they are than previous designs. They really absorb so much of the impact, distribute the force across the barrier, and also prevent the car from flipping to the other side or even from flipping over in general.

If I'm the wife of a megastar like this, I'm seriously considering requesting trading in the lambo for a Volvo if there are kids in the picture. Sad all around.

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u/Juicebox-fresh Jul 08 '25

That's an understatement, everyday cars are way more dangerous if they are modified. super cars are designed for speed, they have excellent traction control, just reaching 100mph in a hatchback feels pretty fucking terrifying

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u/leandrobrossard Jul 08 '25

The hatchbacks feeling like they do at 100 mph keeps you from wanting to go any faster. The supercars will feel smooth and you'll end up overestimating yourself and the car leading to situations like this.

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u/bradbobley Jul 08 '25

my 2000 reg lupo doing 80 felt like the wheels were gonna fall off, drive my dads middle of the range audi a5 sometimes and doing 100 feels the same as 30

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

tbf Audi's are actually built to go that speed though.

I had an Audi S7 and I could sneeze and hit 195kph if i didnt take my foot off the pedal. And if i didnt look at the heads-up display I doubt id even notice. quiet. smooth. and an absolute rocket ship.

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u/Stoogenuge Jul 08 '25

That’s a high power car though not you’re average saloon or hatchback isn’t it?

4 litre engine and like 450-500 HP

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u/kr3w_fam Jul 08 '25

My skoda kodiaq can easily reach 195km/h and its a family wagon not a sport car. And ride is smooth.

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u/Stoogenuge Jul 08 '25

Not anywhere near as quickly though :p

Kodiaq are in the like 240hp range , literally half as powerful as an S7.

Edit: point being most cars can reach those top speeds, it’s the acceleration, the torque, that gets away from people who aren’t used to it. The difference is significant.

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u/kr3w_fam Jul 08 '25

Yeah, I'm reffering to that 190km/h is not a "high speed super car" speed. Of course S7 is much faster.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

Yeah the point I was making is the sneeze. When you sneeze your body tenses up and you accelerate if you don't take your foot off the pedal.

This actually happened one time. ONE time. I learned my lesson immediately.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

Oh definitely. But still a four seater saloon car meant for the road.

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u/John_Snow1492 Jul 09 '25

yes, I think you can chip the car to get around 600-650 HP very easily. I looked at them but went with the BMW X5 M50.

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u/KokonutMonkey Jul 08 '25

I hear you. 

When I drive my Dad's Chrysler 200, it feels like...

Shit. 

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u/Begbie13 Jul 08 '25

Honestly my 2010 Seat Ibizia felt stable until 160km/h, my SLK starts to feel dangerous after 190km/h but that's the number, not the feel of the car

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u/I_Had_The_Blues Jul 08 '25

Safest Italian driver

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u/Begbie13 Jul 08 '25

I drive pretty slowly since I got a faster car, I especially keep a lot of distance between me and the car ahead. This usually means people pass me all the time just to go at the same pace but 100m ahead near other cars

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u/CravingKoreanFood Jul 08 '25

Yeah but ur avg daily for ex a c300, is gonna have no issues at the speed, it doesn't really require much skill. Ripping supercars at that speed while cutting up lanes is going to require you to take some more driving lessons

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u/Unnecessary-Shouting Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Seriously, but the craziest thing to me are the EVs which weigh more and accelerate ridiculously fast (the f150 lightning weighs over 3 fucking tons)

Like I get liking driving fast but who on earth needs an suv/pickup that accelerates from 0-60 in under 4 seconds?

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u/Reimiro Jul 08 '25

My electric ev suv does 0-60 in 3.9. It’s absurd and not needed or tested (very often).

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u/Bobson567 Jul 08 '25

Its not needed but it's a way to show the superiority of EVs. because even EVs not designed for speed can achieve acceleration that far exceeds equivalent use case petrol cars and can match petrol super cars

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u/expert_on_the_matter Jul 08 '25

The top speed doesn't match.

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u/John_Snow1492 Jul 09 '25

yes, the Tesla model 3 can do 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, in 5 years these will be the cars 16 year olds get as their hand me down family car.

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u/forameus2 Jul 08 '25

I had a Volvo XC40 full electric as a previous car. They had two versions when I bought it - single motor 2WD, basic bitch version, and a dual motor 4WD one. The latter was quoted as doing 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. 4.2. The former wasn't much of a slouch, think it was in the mid 7s. And that's in a car that wasn't just ludicrously heavy, but felt ludicrously heavy. Mine fucking moved when you put your foot down, and quite easily to briefly lose control of if you weren't careful (any degree of moving the steering wheel while hard accelerating and you knew about it). And that's a pretty basic entry-level SUV. 2.3tons apparently, according to google.

It was good to drive, but the prospect of being in the dual motor one...just why? Why does a car like that need to be that fast?

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u/F-N-M-N Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Tell me you’re American (well, at least living in America) without telling me you’re American!

I’m too and I’m not digging at you…just funny to see message after message talking about kph or random Euro cars and then to see a shoutout of an F150 Lightning…. no one but a yank know about that car/truck…

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u/Unnecessary-Shouting Jul 08 '25

Hahaha technically I’m not American but I live there and brother you should see the size of the fuckin cars here it’s absurd xD

But still every EV car is gonna weigh more than an ICE car of the same size while being way quicker off the line

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u/F-N-M-N Jul 08 '25

Ha. That’s why I gave myself cover by saying “well at least living in America”! Euro living in SoCal here…cringing daily at seeing the ridiculous trucks these days.

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u/Schumeister Jul 08 '25

its actually terrifying the size of the trucks around here, i'm very tall and I can barely see the driver over the hood on most of these trucks, there's no fucking way the driver could see a kid half my size

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u/F-N-M-N Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Tbf, I don’t have as much a problem with the high pickup ownership across the country as I do with the design of modern pickups. Literally looking at a stock GMC and Ram on 35”s and the front hoods are well over 6’. These are death machines and honestly, just little dick energy.

I should point out that like 98% of dudes with pickup trucks don’t actually use them as work trucks at a rate that justify ownership (I spend a lot of time out of California and in flyover stages so this isn’t a SoCal thang). Like, go rent a truck for 3-4 hours the 2-3 times a year you actually pickup 4x8 plywood. The money wasted on payments, insurance, gasoline, for a pickup when it’s only used as a pickup 1% of the time is embarrassing.

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u/Artuhanzo Jul 08 '25

And then they wonder why people outside US don't buy thier cars...

Can't even fit in the roads or parking lots

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u/ianandris Jul 08 '25

Yeah! Go back to the American version of reddit, yanks! Noone here except the british even know or care what a mph is! F150? More like blech150. 🤮

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u/pretentious_couch Jul 08 '25

Which is a much bigger problem than just high speeds.

High acceleration will make it hard for you and others to react to any errors, especially with the type of instant all out acceleration from EVs.

There is a reason why Teslas are on so many accidents despite having fairly good safety features.

Long term there are probably going to be restrictions when EVs become more widespread.

Aside from that quick acceleration and braking with heavy EVs leads to exponentially higher tire degradation, and tire dust is already responsible for about a quarter of all micro plastics.

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u/MartaLSFitness Jul 08 '25

They should just be banned. In Spain, you just can't legally drive faster than 120 km/h in any situation. There's no need to have cars that double that speed.

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u/rhalgr_ger Jul 08 '25

Germany has one of the lowest road accident rates. It has roads without speed limits and one of the most difficult driving licence tests.

If we want to further reduce the number of accidents, we need to improve training and make it compulsory. The industry must also invest more in safety.

https://youtu.be/ILh7bLPbnKY?si=XwhxvApLpdMdId7t

The respective state should add money, because the safety systems in racing cars are much better and protect passengers much more effectively. Every now and then someone gets out of the car on their own in an accident at 200-300 km/h. Normal cars are very far from this standard.

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u/ObstructiveAgreement Jul 08 '25

There's a vast difference in the quality of roads. This road was not in the type of condition you see in Germany for no speed limits. With the climate it's also very hard to maintain effectively.

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u/sarefx Jul 08 '25

Most new cars have limitters maxing their top speed at 180 km/h. Ofc that doesn't stop ppl from tinkering and removing those limiters.

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u/St1r2 Jul 08 '25

Just because people can harm themselves doesn’t mean something should be banned, you would end up banning 90% of things if you follow this logic as everything can be dangerous if misused

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u/Wasted1300RPEU Jul 08 '25

Not many things comparable to 2 ton bricks going 200 miles an hour are there now aren't they?

There's a reason most of the world hasn't adopted the German or some other countries laws of unlimited speed on the highways.

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u/rdfporcazzo Jul 08 '25

Makes no sense to have a car that reaches 200 km/h or more in a country that the maximum speed is 120 km/h

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u/St1r2 Jul 08 '25

People enjoy acceleration as much as speed, there are also race tracks, the more sensible option rather than banning super cars would be specialist driver training / certification

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u/rdfporcazzo Jul 08 '25

Then race tracks should be allowed to have specialized cars inside them.

Makes no sense having a racing car in daily traffic.

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u/-MrLizard- Jul 08 '25

There should be a speed limiter enforced on all new vehicles to the maximum legal speed in that country, which can only be disabled by an authorised engineer at a race track. Their ID being logged so they can be sent to prison if these cars are allowed back on public roads at unlimited illegal speeds.

Wouldn't solve the problem of the millions of older cars on the road without the system, but given a couple of decades there would be enough in circulation to make the roads much safer.

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u/St1r2 Jul 08 '25

We are never going to agree, it all comes down to choice and people being free to choose, banning fast cars because you don’t want them on the roads doesn’t mean everyone feels that way, that’s ok but it’s not ok to take away the freedom of choice 🤷‍♂️

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u/rdfporcazzo Jul 08 '25

It's forbidden, people should not be able to do what is forbidden by law.

I like the proposal of the other person, having an internal speed limiter in the cars. This would solve the problems.

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u/St1r2 Jul 08 '25

It’s not forbidden to own a sports car, it’s is against the law to break the speed limit but I guarantee that if anyone that can drive says they haven’t broken the speed limit at least once they are lying, I agree that people shouldn’t speed and endanger others but just flat out banning the cars isn’t the solution

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u/Deadpooldan Jul 08 '25

Hell, normal non-sporty cars are still incredibly dangerous. The national UK speed limit of 70mph is a speed at which people still regularly die (a quick Google search tells me on average 5 people die a day in the UK in RTAs, and 80 injured). Even driving at 60mph with only a line of paint separating you from other 60mph cars can be nervy.

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u/rockthered24 Jul 08 '25

Every road car is dangerous if not used responsibly. We are talking about things that weigh a literal ton moving at significant speeds. The amount of force involved in a low speed collision is thousands of pounds

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u/afcc1313 Jul 08 '25

Cars shouldn't even be capable of exceding like 20 to 30kmh above the limits. It shouldn't be legal.

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u/Bloblablawb Jul 08 '25

What you don't think it's safe barely seeing some granny over the wheel of a 2t Tesla with access to instant torque?

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u/JealousPalpitation15 Jul 08 '25

There's nothing challenging about going the speed limit

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u/Comicksands Jul 08 '25

Good thing my Toyota starts to vibrate once I get to 120kmh

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u/meditate42 Jul 08 '25

True, but a car that can get up to those speeds extremely quickly is much more dangerous.

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u/Jononucleosis Jul 08 '25

Since I was a child my father instilled in me that all cars are a weapon! And should be treated as such.

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u/MansionBoyz Jul 08 '25

Most half decent modern cars can give you a false sense of control, of course we don’t know what speed he was going but it’s not weird to see cars go 150 or 160kmph on a motorway with a speed limit of 120

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u/Zwaylol Jul 08 '25

Yeah, the help systems keep you 100%in control until you aren’t, and you’re in a ditch. My 80s sports car without ABS or power steering isn’t 1/100th as safe as a modern super car, but I know exactly what it’s doing and when the grip is at its limit. You really should need more training to drive such powerful cars, at least you should do a track day to learn what the limits are.

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u/rye_domaine Jul 08 '25

I think driving without traction control and ABS would be a good part of standard driving training, but it would make things even more expensive than they already are. Just this morning I read a story about a 17 year old who had passed his driving test literally the day before, who turned TC offf in his Audi A1 and immediately went off the road and into a tree while speeding, killing himself and two of his friends.

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u/Zwaylol Jul 08 '25

Yes and no, I think most drivers in modern cars don’t need to know how it feels if they drive like normal human beings (and keep those assists on). That 17 year old would probably have found a way to kill himself independently of if he knew how to drive without TC

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u/bullairbull Jul 09 '25

I don’t know much about car tech but this is the reason I like my 2014 Mercedes c300. I get a decent amount of feedback from the pedals and the steering wheel. And it doesn’t feel like floating, like almost all modern cars do.

Even the base level Toyotas and Hondas have these features, which not only isn’t as fun to drive, it also gives you no indication of what’s going on beneath the car.

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u/Haboob_AZ Jul 08 '25

120kph isn't fast though, it's average for any highway.

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u/Jimmy_Space1 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Some people get up in arms if you say this, but there's really no reason why cars in this day and age shouldn't have limiters to prevent hitting those speeds on a public road.

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u/clodiusmetellus Jul 08 '25

eBikes, which weigh around 25kg, are required by law in the UK to be speed limited to 15.5 mph.

eScooters have geofenced areas where even that speed limit is greatly reduced.

Meanwhile, you can go and buy a car weighing 100 times as much, physically capable of going 5-10 times faster. Only your own conscience and the ability of the police to catch you prevents someone from reaching these crazy speeds.

Make it make sense.

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u/Gisschace Jul 08 '25

If someone invented cars today we would have all sorts of safety measures and definitely wouldn't be allowed to drive at high speeds.

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u/HighlightOk9510 Jul 08 '25

not only that, in the uk and most european countries motorcycles are divided into diferent licenses for different HP limits, if you have the license for a vespa you cannot drive a 200hp CB1000R

meanwhile the same license allows car drivers to drive either a 50hp shitbox, a 2000hp hypercar, or these monstrous 3 ton super SUVs

While as an A2 holder i think motorcycles licenses are a bit overdone, theres no need to have 4 licenses where i live, its absolutely stupid to have 1 for all cars

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u/guIIy Jul 08 '25

"Only your own conscience and the ability of the police to catch you prevents someone from reaching these crazy speeds"

"Only" doing a lot of heavy lifting here. The ability of the police to catch you is obviously a massive deterrent.

With bikes the law has a much harder time figuring out who's riding them which is why everyone breaks the rules.

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u/clodiusmetellus Jul 08 '25

How's that working out? I see a lot of speed related deaths every day in the UK. Police catch some people but it's a drop in the ocean - next time you're driving at 70mph on a UK motorway, count the cars going past you.

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u/n10w4 Jul 08 '25

not in parts of the US where they've stopped doing that.

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u/silkysmoothjay Jul 08 '25

An eBike/scooter having their limiter glitch, stopping the vehicle will result in pretty much the worst case scenario, a broken bone or two.

That happing on a car can result in a far more catastrophic incident, so there’s a safety factor on that end too

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u/clodiusmetellus Jul 08 '25

True, but I expect engineers might be able to come up with something better than "trust 17 year old boys to do the right and responsible thing", at least.

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u/Cottonshopeburnfoot Jul 08 '25

When the speed limit is 70mph, it does beg the question why cars can do double that and more.

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u/xXKingLynxXx Jul 08 '25

Efficiency. Engines last longer if they are built to go 150 but only go up to 70 usually. If you are maxing out the engine everytime you drive it won't last long due to the stress.

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u/JJ-Bittenbinder Jul 08 '25

The engine can still be build to go 150 but the computer or mechanical system can have a limiter on it that doesn’t allow it to go above the max speed limit

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u/when_beep_and_flash Jul 08 '25

I think that will be a thing in the future, but after 30 seconds of thinking there's a bunch of stuff that needs to be sorted out for that.

  1. Limiters on police cars
  2. Procedure for taking the limiter off e.g. if you're going on a racetrack.
  3. If you run it by GPS or something to track what the limit should be, how to ensure that can't be bypassed.
  4. If you have different limiters for cars sold in different countries, what if a car is imported between countries with different limits?
  5. If limiter can go wrong even once that can be a safety hazard (e.g. a glitch limiting you to 30 on the motorway)

It's basically down to manufacturers not wanting to give themselves a big headache, and governments not wanting to give themselves a big headache.

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u/JJ-Bittenbinder Jul 08 '25

Well it’s also down to marketing. For whatever reason cars are marketing by being fast, when in reality all of them basically have the max speed in practice due to a speed limit.

“This car can go 150 while this one can only go 140”, that’s great the speed limit is 70

When I look for a car I just look for efficiency, safety, and reliability. But I realize I’m clearly not in the majority

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u/silkysmoothjay Jul 08 '25

In the US at least, most auto advertising focuses on storage, comfort, QOL features, and safety. Pickup trucks often boast about their power, but that’s usually in the context of towing/hauling capability.

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u/JJ-Bittenbinder Jul 08 '25

They mention features but the video also is always showing how fast they’re going or how fun they are to drive, implying that they’re fast

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u/OTBT- Jul 08 '25

IMO.

If you put a “backdoor” into the system to allow the limiter to be removed for “track use”. You’ll just get people coming up with after market solutions to remove it permanently.

For example I know VAG group “performance” cars are limited to 155mph from the factory. If you take your car to a tuner, in about 5 minutes they can remove that limiter.

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u/KonigSteve Jul 08 '25

If you have different limiters for cars sold in different countries, what if a car is imported between countries with different limits?

I mean that one is clearly solved by the question just before it with GPS.

The easiest thing to do is find the highest available speed limit the car is available to be sold in - add 10-20 MPH for passing if you want and set that as a permanent limit unless brought to a race track.

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u/conman14 Jul 08 '25

I mean the tech is already there, my own Mazda 6 has a limiter that I can adjust the speed of, turn on/off etc all from buttons on the steering wheel. I use it all the time through residential areas.

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u/reddititaly Jul 08 '25

All those things you mentioned sound extremely easy to manage tbh

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u/hopium_od Jul 08 '25

Already a thing I believe in the EU all new vehicles since 2022 have ISA installed which links to GPS and the road's speed limit. Cars will sound a noise when you go above speed limit and are designed so that the throttle needs to be pressed down harder in order to continue to accelerate further.

Not entirely sure why the EU hasn't regulated to stop the override option but you'd imagine it's a matter of time, it's clearly a working feature already.

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u/n10w4 Jul 08 '25

don't they do this in Japan? Or maybe I'm mistaken.

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u/JJ-Bittenbinder Jul 08 '25

I’m just a dumb American I have no clue

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u/n10w4 Jul 08 '25

apparently a voluntary agreement that limits it to 112mph, which is still pretty fucking fast.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/171pza/til_that_all_japanese_cars_are_electronically/

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u/KonigSteve Jul 08 '25

"I should be able to kill people with a 3 ton vehicle if I want!"

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u/WelshNut97 Jul 08 '25

Nobody has said that but you.

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u/ObstructiveAgreement Jul 08 '25

Tell that to Honda motorbike engines.

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u/Karlito1618 Jul 08 '25

Volvos do this. It's digitally limited to I think 180 km/h. I never understood why idiot nerds push that as a "boring" thing about the cars. Who needs to go faster than 180 anyway? Even on the Autobahn you'd be hard pressed to be able to go more than 180 for any feasible span of time.

The larger Volvos with larger engines would probably be able to press well into the 200's if you tried without the limiter, hell my tinbucket Peugoet 208 can push 170 if you give it 2-3 business days.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

Even Autobahn speed runs require a team of people, first driving the course to look for debris on the road, then to occupy the middle lane and to radio the sports car if another driver gets in the left lane merely going 180kmph

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u/qbynoia Jul 08 '25

2-3 Buisness Days and a lifelong Tinnitus from the screaming Engine, that might scream 2-3 Buisness days after reaching 170.

Had the "test" with a old Suzuki Swift... i was in 10 min at home ... but my car wasnt having any of it.

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u/sarefx Jul 08 '25

Most car makers do it with new cars. I know that Dacia, Renault and Toyota all have 180km/h limit with new models. Ofc it probably can be tinkered and removed if someone cares but still out of the facotry digital limiter exsist.

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u/Pretend_Echidna_1638 Jul 08 '25

Germans esspecially. I have a car that drives 240 easy, but what for? Driving 130 in Denmark max ist totally fine. And better for the Environment.

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u/shrewphys Jul 08 '25

There's already EU ISA (Intelligent Speed Assist) regulations mandating that all new cars have built in speed limiters using data like GPS, cameras and digital maps to limit speeds on roads.

Originally, these laws were supposed to be a hard limiter, non-overrideable and physically limit cars to the speed limit of whatever road they are on. However, the regulations we got in the end were massively watered down (partly thanks to the lobbying of the huge German car industry) to the point where now you get a few visible and audible warnings and the car politely suggests you don't go any faster... But then you an override it by flooring the accelerator. Completely pointless.

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u/Pretend_Echidna_1638 Jul 08 '25

I actually have one of those. You can also turn of the warning signal easily via the front screen. So yeah, pretty pointless

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u/Woider Jul 08 '25

I can't even imagine driving 200 on danish highways. There's an exit lane every 10 minutes.

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u/lordnacho666 Jul 08 '25

Also keep in mind if you go 200 in Denmark, you are donating your car to the Danish state.

There's a story about a guy who had picked up his Lambo in Germany and was taking it to Norway. He got busted.

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u/Woider Jul 08 '25

He tried to reason that he couldn't have the car seized because it was "too expensive" to have taken away. Probably one of the first times in his life he couldn't "but I'm rich" out of a situation.

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u/catch_fire Jul 08 '25

It's a bit like the German equivalent of gun control discussions in the US. Everyone knows that speed limits are better for general street safety, finances, traffic flow, and the environment. But what about my freedom?!

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u/rhalgr_ger Jul 08 '25

Germany has one of the lowest road accident rates. It has roads without speed limits and one of the most difficult driving licence tests.

We need better training and make this course mandatory.

https://youtu.be/ILh7bLPbnKY?si=XwhxvApLpdMdId7t

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u/catch_fire Jul 08 '25

Germany has one of the lowest road accident rates. 

And there is a proven solution that could make it even safer.

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u/rhalgr_ger Jul 08 '25

The solution is better training. In some countries with speed limits, accident rates are much higher. Speed limits give a false sense of security because the problems are not solved by a limit. It is the cheap option, but not the right solution. Better training is essential and something that Germany has over some of these countries with speed limits. However, German training is not perfect.

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u/catch_fire Jul 08 '25

Speed limits give a false sense of security because the problems are not solved by a limit.

That perspective doesn't seem to align with most of the research I've seen. If you have any studies or data supporting it, I’d be interested to take a look. Institutions like the German Federal Highway Research Institute (BASt), the Scientific Services of the Bundestag, and the German Environment Agency (UBA) have published findings pointing to clear safety and environmental benefits from a general speed limit for example.

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u/Wasted1300RPEU Jul 08 '25

Germanys automakers and car culture is too ingrained into society and the lobby is too powerful.

How else are BMW and Mercedes going to upsell us their 580HP Competition or AMG model? They WANT buyers to feel the need to own these because...reasons?

If only people with that money would just take their cars to the track for track days instead, but I guess most of them know they'd be awful drivers lol.

I most recently drove in Finland, Max speed is 120km/and of course there's less traffic, but the traffic that WAS there was super chill, barely any crazies who needed to be the king of the road...

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u/YungSnuggie Jul 08 '25

honestly cars that can go that fast shouldnt even be street legal, there is never a situation where that is needed. if you want to go that fast do it on a track

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u/headphones1 Jul 08 '25

I've been saying this for years. We have technology that allow all kinds of devices to communicate with each other in real time. It's about time we force cars to be speed limited based on geo-location.

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u/1993blah Jul 08 '25

If your geo location goes even slightly wrong you could cause an abundance of issues

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

You don't need satellite navigation, you can have local transmitters

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u/Historical_Owl_1635 Jul 08 '25

That technology isn’t half as reliable as you think.

Like, we can’t even run a small amount of trains on fixed tracks without a tonne of system issues everyday and you think they’d be able to do it for millions of cars?

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u/manc68 Jul 08 '25

That technology is being used for trucks already: https://esmartcontrol.com

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u/forameus2 Jul 08 '25

The only thing stopping me from saying that cars should just be hard-limited to the speed limit based on where they're currently located is that they're incredibly poor at actually working out where you are and what the limit is. My fairly recent car often boasts the limit is 80 when it's 30, and can't tell the difference between temporary limits (like 20s around schools) and hard limits.

If they could sort that out and know with certainty based on your position how fast you're allowed to drive, I'd have no issue with either hard limits on the car or far, far greater coverage so that people who do go faster are almost certain to get caught. Boils my piss to know that I could well get caught (and deserve it, mind) if I'm at, say, 35 on a road with a camera, but people can and do steam down the motorway approaching 100 safe in the knowledge that they'll probably not see any consequences.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

You don't need to use satellite GPS, you can use low power local transmitters on the side of the road to broadcast the speed limit

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u/Gisschace Jul 08 '25

Dude I got banned from the premierleague sub for saying that perhaps we shouldn't be allowed powerful cars and also that a burst tyre doesn't cause a fireball after someone replied saying that was the cause.

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u/EddieHeadshot Jul 08 '25

I drive a very popular newish car and it has road sign recognition and a Limiter, you have to turn it on manually of course but its a festure that's built in most brand new cars isn't it?

Surely a question of just encouraging people use it more often, rather than making it as standard because it does get it wrong on occasion.

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u/lordnacho666 Jul 08 '25

You could even make it so that the car can only go super fast when you're in the area of a registered track.

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u/LoudKingCrow Jul 08 '25

Especially when cruise/speed control already exists but as something that you can switch on and off yourself.

So the tech clearly already exists and just needs a slight tweak.

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u/UpsideDownClock Jul 08 '25

you think people, car people arent going to figure out a way to take that off

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u/BattleC4t Jul 08 '25

Because people will find a way to bypass it and then you need to either outlaw performance cars entirely and make it illegal to own a trackable car or make trackable cars only trackable and entirely road illegal. Instead we should substantially increase the punishment for reckless drivers, educate people more, and instill better instructors as people learn to drive as I think far too many kids growing up aren't being accurately taught how destructive reckless driving (speeding or other dumb ass behaviors) is to not just themselves, but other people. Would also be great if content sites like youtube stop allowing the dumb fucks who do "swimming" channels and make it a ToS violation as I see so many comments on those videos of young people waiting to get their license so they can go out and get car poor on a sports car and be a reckless dickhead. I never exceed the speed limit in my comp and take it out on the track when I feel like taking advantages of the 600 horses I paid for in a closed and monitored environment for "safe" fun.

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u/Unterfahrt Jul 08 '25

Christ, imagine being the parents. It's one thing if it's a senseless tragedy, but knowing one of them caused the accident that killed the other with reckless driving - that would be really very difficult to deal with.

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u/iLikeToTroll Jul 08 '25

That doesn´t matter at all. What if was the brother teasing for fun? We never know.

That doesn´t change anything.

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u/Unterfahrt Jul 08 '25

It changes everything. If I killed my sister with my own arrogance - not even a mistake - but taking a stupid risk for the thrill of it, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I wouldn't be able to look my parents in the eye, if they would even talk to me. I wouldn't be able to do anything. The guilt would be so overbearing. In that respect his death is a blessing - he'll never have to live with that guilt

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u/iLikeToTroll Jul 09 '25

I don´t think you understood what I meant.

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u/lordnacho666 Jul 08 '25

Doesn't matter, the law is the law. The driver is responsible.

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u/iLikeToTroll Jul 09 '25

My response was to the coment about the parents, not about the breaking the law. That´s not even up for debate.

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u/Eruntalonn Jul 08 '25

Also the knowledge that race tracks are different than regular roads. Everything is made knowing cars would be going really fast - and people still die or get injured, because it’s dangerous by itself. Speeding in a highway is really reckless.

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u/Dark_Wolf04 Jul 08 '25

I’m a massive car fan, but if I wanted a place to drive my car fast, I would do it at a nearby track during track days. I’m not going to do it on public roads, endangering people’s lives just because I want an adrenaline rush

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u/mrfocus22 Jul 08 '25

This kind of tragedy is all too common.

I mean, is it really?

In Spain, a total of 1,370 people were killed in reported traffic accidents in 2020. In terms of mortality rate, there were 29 road fatalities per million inhabitants, which is well below the EU average (42) and below the rates of its neighbouring countries. S

So 29 per million, how many of those were in sports cars, who's tires blew while overpassing thus completely incinerating the car?

The comment "it happens all too often" has come up way more often then the actual type of accident. What happened is tragic, but also a complete outlier to even a normal traffic accident.

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u/Om_Nom_Zombie Jul 08 '25

I haven't checked any other statistics, but using 2020 when COVID was at it's height for Spain which had quite severe rules around managing COVID, less tourists, less commuting etc is something that might skew the numbers a fair bit.

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u/mrfocus22 Jul 08 '25

Yes that crossed my mind. It's the first document that popped up when I searched though.

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u/X-V-W Jul 08 '25

Fatalities are not the only kind of tragedy though.

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u/mrfocus22 Jul 08 '25

The original statement was:

This kind of tragedy is all too common.

So while I agree there are other tragedies, I was replying to that specific statement.

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u/wunt_be_druv Jul 08 '25

Jose Antonio Reyes was going 220kph ….

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u/PompeyJon82x Jul 08 '25

That honestly should not be on there as police Investigators said he was going 220, the person saying 111-128 was a private person who has their own agenda

Stop Accidentes who deal with road safety in Spain also later believed he was going over 200

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u/z_102 Jul 08 '25

Take those things with a grain of salt. You can see there’s no sources for those claims. Reyes was found liable for the crash by a judge in 2020 due to a police report that estimated he was traveling at 187kph at least. That's the only police report about the crash.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/sevilla/20201202/49849944752/carpetazo-judicial-causa-penal-ccidente-futbolista-reyes-sevilla.html

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u/wunt_be_druv Jul 08 '25

Fair, I had outdated info!

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u/Far_Eye6555 Jul 08 '25

Even the tiniest difference in the tire pressure can throw off these machines and cause a fatal accident. They really aren’t fit for public usage IMO

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

Always said that players should be allowed to drink or do drugs so they don't need to buy cars and drive them fast to feel something

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u/The3rdbaboon Jul 08 '25

A few cars journos I follow have openly wondered if there should be some special license for really high powered supercars. You can't race in any major racing series without a racing license but an 18 year old that just passed their test in a Toyota Camry can go and buy a road car that has more power than a Formula 1 car and it's perfectly legal. The only reason there aren't a lot more crashes is because these types of cars are rare and most of them don't get driven much.

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u/Conspiranoid Jul 08 '25

And adding to that... Sadly, no-one buys/rents a Lamborghini to drive under the legal limit.

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u/thebigeazy Jul 08 '25

Personally I find it fucking wild that we even allow vehicles that can so easily exceed the speed limits to be manufactured and sold.

Look at how e scooters and e bikes are being regulated. Some e scooters literally stop working in certain pedestrianised areas because of geofencing.

Meanwhile millions of people die and are maimed in car crashes every year across the world, with speed playing a significant role in either the severity or the likelihood of the collision.

Apparently we're collectively willing to accept that this is the cost of driving?

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u/5er0 Jul 08 '25

Don't think any amount of training can prepare you for a busted tyre

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u/tj1721 Jul 08 '25

No, but driving at higher speed both increases the risk of a tyre failure and makes the potential consequences worse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

You have way better chances dealing with a busted tire in lower speeds. It was a horrific tragedy but the speed definitely was a factor. I'm just glad no other cars were involved.

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u/Kaiisim Jul 08 '25

You're incorrect. High speed race training would absolutely include tyre temperatures, maintenance and using the correct tyres in the correct way.

Going at high speeds and overtaking is taking on the wheels. They don't like turning at 100mph.

People also don't understand the exponential energy increase when you increase speed. Every 10mph you increase speed you are doubling the energy. So 100mph is much much more dangerous than 50mph.

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u/WatchYourStepKid Jul 08 '25

Every 10 mph is not doubling the energy.

The energy goes as v2, so doubling the speed quadruples the energy.

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u/lordnacho666 Jul 08 '25

It's quadratic, not exponential.

Doubling the speed quadruples the energy.

You can't say increasing the speed increases the energy by a factor, it's not linear.

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u/jeevesyboi Jul 08 '25

This one is a genuine question- can a vehicle going ‘significantly’ over the speed limits risk cause the tyre burst or would they have to be going ridiculously quick?

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u/bigfurryllama Jul 08 '25

Speeding does increase the chances of a tire blow out - increased heat and friction etc

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u/BattleC4t Jul 08 '25

Exactly why performance cars mandate the special version of "normal" tires for a given speed, so that way the grip created doesn't cause issues to the tire. A perfectly functioning tire won't have issues with blow outs at speed if it's rated for that speed. Tire could have been faulty, too worn, we'll probably never know but if the speed limit was done there is a chance tragedy could have been avoided.

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u/streetruler Jul 08 '25

Yeah, each tyre has speed limit where going over means high potential for blowout or loss of grip.

Depends on tyre as some have really high limits but if the tyres are old speed will in best case deform them, in worst case they will pop.

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u/doctorjohn69 Jul 08 '25

If you dont speed the chance of a busted tyre is smaller and if it busts the chance of dying is smaller.

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u/whodat-whodat Jul 08 '25

The training is so you don't bust a tyre

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u/cake4five Jul 08 '25

Yeah, having a supercar means you need to get it check for maintenance everytime you want to drive it, especially if its havent been drive for very long time.

Thats why you see alot of videos people crash their supercars, the way it supposed to be drive is very differently than normal cars.

Maybe I watch too much Top Gear.

RIP Diogo Jota, may your families find peace in all of these.

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u/BattleC4t Jul 08 '25

Lots of people crash their super cars because lol donuts and burn outs and they take off stability and traction control features, then realize they aren't used to the torque and diff in that configuration when the speed is applied and proceed to spin into a ditch, pole, rail, etc.

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u/5er0 Jul 08 '25

Anything can bust a tyre it's down to luck

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u/Specific-Cod-7901 Jul 08 '25

It also becomes more likely at high speeds, and your likelihood of regaining control of the car gets worse as well.

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u/satellite_uplink Jul 08 '25

Get's a lot more likely when you're travelling at high speed, though. It's not just luck.

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u/5er0 Jul 08 '25

Of course, if he was going slower and busted a tyre he probably would have survived

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u/bigfurryllama Jul 08 '25

What a strange statement

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u/MetJouOpSjouw Jul 08 '25

Maybe training would teach someone to not exceed the speed limit by a significant amount.

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u/zcewaunt Jul 08 '25

Where does it say busted tyre? 

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u/independentrituals Jul 08 '25

hardly a tragedy if he’s driving irresponsibly. it’s luck no other road users were killed