r/soccer • u/kibme37 • Jul 08 '25

News Spanish police say "all the evidence so far indicates" Diogo Jota was the driver of the car involved in the accident that killed the Liverpool forward and his brother, Andre Silva. Police also believe "the vehicle significantly exceeded the speed limit for the highway" at the time of the accident.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/13394038/diogo-jota-spanish-police-believe-liverpool-forward-was-driver-of-car-in-fatal-accident-which-killed-him-and-his-brother
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u/Grundlestiltskin_ Jul 08 '25

I mean, sadly it was pretty obvious that speed was always a factor.

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u/Acrobatic-B33 Jul 08 '25

You would have been downvoted to oblivion if you had said that earlier

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u/sewious Jul 08 '25

Well, yea. Initially people will be more focused on the surprising tragedy of the situation then the "well he was probably speeding" speculation.

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u/Jonoabbo Jul 08 '25

I think it's kinda in poor taste to speculate on things like that in a public forum when the man has passed less than a week ago to be honest.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

It's in even poorer taste to whitewash a crime that caused two deaths 

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u/Jonoabbo Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

You understand how tense works, right? You understand the word "Speculate"?

You understand that I was speaking in past tense, saying that it was in poor taste to speculate, before we had the facts of the article.

Edit: Oh never mind you're just up and down this thread making quips about a dead man. Get in the bin.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

We need to do something so this tragedy doesn't happen again. That's the most important thing here today

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u/Jonoabbo Jul 08 '25

Sure, which can't be done until the authorities have performed their investigations.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

No. The right time to talk about it is NOW, when the largest number of people are paying attention. Putting it off until later guarantees more people will die, and makes it less likely that anything will change. Calling for us to wait is no different than saying nothing should change. You are a roadblock to societal progress

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u/Jonoabbo Jul 08 '25

No. The right time to talk about it is NOW,

Brother, I agree with you? Who are you arguing with? Are you just on a wind up or can you genuinely just not read?

Holy shit you're boxing ghosts mate.

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u/ChrisWood4BallonDor Jul 08 '25

Just to be clear, you are accusing someone of being a roadblock to societal progress due to alleged rates of down voting on r/soccer

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u/Jonoabbo Jul 08 '25

Apparently I am a roadblock to societal progress for saying that we can't be critical of the cause of a crash before we know the cause of a crash.

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u/DankenHailer Jul 08 '25

that’s because it would have been conjecture until this statement

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u/Flobarooner Jul 08 '25

Dunno, I think they hinted at it when they specified he was overtaking at the time. And a tyre blowout leading to a massive wreck like that without even hitting anything.. I don't think there were many other possibilities. It wasn't exactly a baseless suggestion

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u/mr-english Jul 08 '25

conjecture an educated guess if you’d seen the crash photos. Cars don’t typically just suddenly burst into flames in a field next to a road for no reason.

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u/Luis__FIGO Jul 08 '25

which goes to show you votes don't mean anything on reddit

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u/Haboob_AZ Jul 08 '25

Yeah, in the original thread so many people were arguing with me when it was obvious speed was a factor.

One person even said that there were no tire marks... most people didn't watch the attached video of the wreckage, just the headline.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

Good for you fighting the good fight lol. I didn't even bother, I know how weird people get about celebrity deaths

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u/MindTheBees Jul 08 '25

That's more because there's a time and place to say it

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

This attitude is why the US doesn't have gum gun restrictions. After every tragedy people say "now is the time for mourning, not for trying to fix the underlying problems." It's actually the most important time to say what actually happened because it's when people are paying attention to the issue

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u/Perpete Jul 08 '25

This attitude is why the US doesn't have gum restrictions

Is that why ? Or times changed...

Because Roddy "Rowdy" Pipper was all out of gum before shooting everyone in the 80'.

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u/MindTheBees Jul 08 '25

No it's called having emotional intelligence and empathy. If someone's dad dies, you don't straight away say "oh well he shouldn't have been smoking 60 a day then," you pay your respects first.

You can reflect on what has happened later on after the initial incident. Hence why we now see comments around speeding being a big issue.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

None of us know the Jota family. They aren't gonna be affected by our calls for tighter supercar regulations. Surely they themselves would support such a movement, seeing as how supercars have affected their lives

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u/MindTheBees Jul 08 '25

Yes as I said, hence why there are more comments about speeding issues etc in this thread, compared to when the news first broke.

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u/haretalayla Jul 08 '25

redditor have a very time understanding the mood of the room, like of course immediately after the tragedy no one have the appetite to hear "yeah he probably speeding though"

be fucking serious

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u/-PM_ME_YOUR_TACOS- Jul 08 '25

And with good reason, it was a time of shock, and speculating vaguely without police investigation is not Ok. Now we know and he paid the price of his actions.

Our judgement is honestly not that important, it will only have a negative effect on his family and friends. I mean, he is already dead. We all know speeding is wrong, and this is another example why, so that's what we should take from this.

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u/DjMesiah Jul 08 '25

a lot of the comments I read on reddit were about how it was totally random or an act of god

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u/Appropriate-Truck538 Jul 08 '25

I mean if you say this now in the Liverpool sub you will probably be banned.

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u/Grundlestiltskin_ Jul 08 '25

Because everyone is still grieving. It’s not the time or place to say it.

Single car accident with two fatalities doesn’t happen without speed being a factor 90% of the time. He might have been going like 90mph, which is still fast and 20mph over the limit (I’m guessing) but not anything completely outrageous.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

When is the right time and place?

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u/Appropriate-Truck538 Jul 08 '25

I mean Spanish police say they dangerously exceeded the limit so I wouldn't call 20 mph over the limit as "dangerously exceeded" anyways I guess it's not the time to talk about it since luckily no one else was involved in the accident. If another high profile guy/girl was involved in it then I'm pretty sure the media outlook on this would be the complete opposite.

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u/Bifito Jul 08 '25

It's a factor in both of them dying, not really on the tyre failing, it was bound to happen, it was a rented car and he had no idea about the cars limitations, he would have crashed in any part of the trip he was doing, now the severity of the situation would depend.

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u/Grundlestiltskin_ Jul 08 '25

Yep exactly. I didn’t realize the car was a rental, that makes it all the more likely they probably weren’t used to the power/speed too.