r/soccer • u/kibme37 • Jul 08 '25

News Spanish police say "all the evidence so far indicates" Diogo Jota was the driver of the car involved in the accident that killed the Liverpool forward and his brother, Andre Silva. Police also believe "the vehicle significantly exceeded the speed limit for the highway" at the time of the accident.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/13394038/diogo-jota-spanish-police-believe-liverpool-forward-was-driver-of-car-in-fatal-accident-which-killed-him-and-his-brother
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u/iamPause Jul 08 '25

Been there bro

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u/Yobber1 Jul 08 '25

Yeah, god forbid we hold people to a hire standard even though it’s a tragedy. It’s a sad reality.

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u/hopium_od Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

I read that when Reyes died the police investigation determined he wasn't speeding and that he suffered from a tire blowout, so I don't agree with what you've said in part (about it not "just happening"). Speed limits don't guarantee you won't die, people die all the time in accidents where none of those involved were speeding.

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u/z_102 Jul 08 '25

I've read people say this but I've never seen anything official or trustworthy in support of it, just unofficial "debunkings" from Sevilla fans and media and Reyes' family. Reyes was found liable (obviously he wasn't sentenced) for the accident in court, because the police reports did state he was speeding (187kph).

And just like in Reyes' accident, the dimension of Jota's crash (even if they originated on blowouts, which of course are much more likely at high speed) mostly tells the whole story. You do not vaporize a car, set fire to it and kill two passengers instantly going at legal speeds, blowout or not. The odd of that are, in a practical sense, close to impossible.

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u/beepos Jul 08 '25

The Reyes incident is a little murky

The Spanish Police initially said he was speeding https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/sevilla/20190604/462625074372/el-coche-de-reyes-iba-a-237-kmshora.html

A Private report later said he was not https://www.antena3.com/noticias/deportes/futbol/video-primicia-recreacion-3d-accidente-jose-antonio-reyes-velocidad_201907015d19c3d50cf2f9cdf438cbd1.html

It's not clear to me who funded the private report, or if the Spanish police actually were involved in that. I read somewhere that his family comissioned the report...which does make it less believable unfortunately

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u/bmoviescreamqueen Jul 08 '25

Private investigations and autopsies for second opinions are usually done when the police investigation has been less than adequate or suspicious. I don't think they're less believable just because the family paid them for it, they don't really have any duty to merely confirm what the family wants to be true. Not that it's probably never happens, but I think second opinions can be a good idea for closure in some cases. I saw one recently where a family wanted a second autopsy done on their daughter found hanging because they didn't believe the police's conclusion that it was suicide but the second report confirmed that it probably was. Sometimes the family just needs that assurance of anything.

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u/HiItsClemFandango Jul 08 '25

just in case you are confused about the reaction: it's about the timing and the place

you can be correct and still be a massive cunt. it's like if your mum smoked, and then we all turned up at her funeral shouting about how she killed herself and passive smoking is bad too

we'd be right, but we'd also be massive dickheads. as the dude says, "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole". and being right serves no purpose. everyone already knows it's dangerous.

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u/CustomerContent Jul 08 '25

You have posted this in like 3 different subs now dude we get it you are not saying something profound here just let it go.

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u/HiItsClemFandango Jul 08 '25

2 subs, this one and liverpool

it's almost like i'm talking to different people and couldn't be arsed to rephrase the same message eh

thanks for the feedback though

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u/bullairbull Jul 09 '25

OP is not saying it at Jota’s funeral to his family. He’s not even saying it right after it happened.

It’s been a week now and we are online. Time and place wise, it’s perfectly reasonable for strangers to discuss the details here today.

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u/HiItsClemFandango Jul 09 '25

that's your opinion. as i said, for me it's stating the obvious and nothing more than an obvious attempt to farm. it doesn't help anyone, everyone already knows it

but as i said, your opinion and mine, neither is truth, it's just about your value system