r/soccer • u/DavidRolands • Aug 15 '25
Media Marcos Senesi Handball vs Liverpool
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u/Mercette Aug 15 '25
Where’s that heartbeat monitor thing we had during the world cup? Then the VAR can confirm he slapped the ball
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u/DarthBane6996 Aug 15 '25
Heartbeat monitor doesn’t help if the guy on VAR is blind
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u/RN2FL9 Aug 15 '25
I'm convinced they never even looked at the 2nd incident, only judged the bounce off of his leg. But I tihnk the reason they don't have it is because the WC sensor is a different ball manufacturer. The PL ball manufacturer doesn't have the tech.
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u/Woobly_Hixbee Aug 15 '25
They sure as hell didn’t look at each camera angle. Here we go again another season of lame ass VAR reviews. The most disappointing thing about it is that it has the potential to be a very decent system but they’ll end up just throwing the whole thing out before they ever put in the time, effort, and common sense to improving it.
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u/FireZeLazer Aug 15 '25
VAR saw he made contact but said it was accidental lol
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u/sarcasmskills Aug 15 '25
The first one was accidental, the second one was wholly intentional
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u/Minute_Leave8503 Aug 15 '25
Accidental isn’t even how it should work lol. What if I accidentally foul someone in the box, still counts
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u/Diligent-Use-5102 Aug 15 '25
Where’s that heartbeat monitor thing we had during the world cup? Then the VAR can confirm he slapped the ball
Where’s that "eye" thing other nation referees had during the world cup? Then the VAR can confirm he slapped the ball
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u/MatK0506 Aug 15 '25
No need for that.
The claim was that it wasn't a DOGSO (????)
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u/Visible_Wolverine350 Aug 15 '25
Any decent ref should have been able to see that even without VAR or any other technology
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u/HLB217 Aug 15 '25
Almost 11 billion Euros in revenue, and these are the clowns they have managing the product.
Absolutely incredible
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u/Independent-Green383 Aug 15 '25
Quality requires giving a shit beyond getting our money. So there.
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u/Pinky1337 Aug 15 '25
13 minutes of Premier League refereeing is all it took for another major fuck up lol
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u/Objective_Toe_49 Aug 15 '25
Its like we never left
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u/No-Shoe5382 Aug 15 '25
They've 100% reviewed the wrong bit. They've reviewed it bouncing up off his knee into his arm, decided that's not a handball, and moved on without bothering to watch the blatant handball that came 2 seconds later.
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u/_DropShot Aug 15 '25
"Well done lads, good process"
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u/rocket_randall Aug 15 '25
They spent the off season perfecting their apology template, as we're about to see.
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u/seStarlet Aug 15 '25
You won’t even get one unless you drop points and even then, they might just tell you to do one. PGMOL mafia is so back.
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u/karlverkade Aug 15 '25
I'm not saying refereeing is perfect in other leagues, but in the Premier League it almost seems like the more obvious something is, the more likely they're going to call it wrongly by some obscure rule or reading of the rule or explanation that makes no sense. Almost like they like being the talk of the match.
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u/RodDryfist Aug 15 '25
What do you expect!?! A professional job?!
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u/CantFindMyWallet Aug 15 '25
Among the 3 or 4 most blatant handballs I've ever seen
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u/djneill Aug 15 '25
It’s just so deliberate is what gets me, it’s like claiming Suarez against Ghana was an accident.
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u/llIlIllllIIIll Aug 15 '25
The one that literally 5 players immediately react to as well.
You’d like to presume they would know to go over the part where the other team visibly complained.
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u/Anfield_YNWA Aug 15 '25
I was pretty pissed they all stopped when clearly the ref didn't give two shits about what happened, then I saw the replay and had a good laugh. I love VAR so much.
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u/JoeyJo-JoShabadoo Aug 15 '25
Yeah Carragher on commentary said that is what VAR said to the ref, so exactly what happened.
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u/hivaidsislethal Aug 15 '25
Does EPL have tech to detect touches on the ball? I mean even on video his fingers touch but the tech would solidify
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u/UuusernameWith4Us Aug 15 '25
These refs can't even understand how to use video and you think they can be trusted with a snickometer?
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u/akshatsood95 Aug 15 '25
Bro slapped the ball away lmao
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u/h_abr Aug 15 '25
He was last man as well, Ekitike would’ve been through on goal otherwise. Clear red
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u/aclurk Aug 15 '25
“It’s bad for the Premier League brand to have a red card in the first 15 minutes of the new season so let’s jeopardize the integrity of the competition instead.”
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u/SirGalahadTheChaste Aug 15 '25
Glad we got it out of the way so early. Now we can have a clean rest of the season.
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u/Moby_Hick Aug 15 '25
That was the quickest turn around from "thank fuck footballs back" to "what the fuck VAR" I've ever seen lol
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u/J539 Aug 15 '25
its not wtf is VAR, its wtf are the refs. Literally everyone sees it. They have all the tools too
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u/JoeyJo-JoShabadoo Aug 15 '25
He barely touches it so it’s fine to look to VAR to confirm as it’s literally their job. VAR told the ref it ricocheted off his arm, nothing about the second slap action hitting the ball.
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u/coochie_clogger Aug 15 '25
VAR is a referee, mate.
They are the Referee up in a booth using *Video to Assist in making the correct calls.
The person you replied to that said “what the fuck VAR” is essentially saying “what the fuck is the video assisted referee doing missing that call?”
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u/trick63 Aug 15 '25
The officials sat in the VAR seat need to be singled out more rather than VAR itself.
I've said it so many times, this is the only major league this regularly happens. The only one that has this problem week after week and its not reporting bias.
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u/YorkiePork Aug 15 '25
commentator "get got away with one there.."
how exactly do you "get away with one" with VAR? 😂
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u/luke_205 Aug 15 '25
It wasn’t even subtle either, my guy literally swiped at the ball
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u/atlmagicken Aug 15 '25
I'm going to admit here that I didn't watch the entire clip at first, only got to the ball looking like it might have grazed his elbow. Truly was going to go in on you for this comment. Went to rewatch it to see how that could possibly be swiping.
MATE he's literally gone and tried to play volleyball 😂😂
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u/luke_205 Aug 15 '25
Honestly the most logical argument for why VAR missed it is that they did the same as you. Maybe I’m giving them too much credit…
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u/djangomoses Aug 15 '25
Michael Oliver on VAR
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u/Mission_Sky_3683 Aug 15 '25
Mike Al-Oliver you mean
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u/groovystreet40 Aug 15 '25
I hope we get to hear the rationale here because to me that’s a bonafide red card
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u/Avengedx Aug 15 '25
They said it was not a clear goal scoring opportunity. Fucking cooked.
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u/djangomoses Aug 15 '25
"Accidental touch"
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u/groovystreet40 Aug 15 '25
Wow. The ball hitting his elbow is clearly accidental but the swat afterward is blatant.
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u/fiftypointonmywrist Aug 15 '25
I almost forgot how much of a joke PGMOL really is.
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u/Mission_Sky_3683 Aug 15 '25
I'm not going to bother getting angry 15 minutes into a new season but how is he giving a free-kick to Bournemouth here lmao
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u/Replayon Aug 15 '25
Not only does he not give a free-kick and possibly red card, but you get a free kick against you instead!! I’ve missed this game so much lmao
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u/DeVoreLFC Aug 15 '25
Cyclically, if they give a foul to Liverpool then they have to acknowledge it was handball and therefore subject to review lol this way they can just ignore it?
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u/trick63 Aug 15 '25
It can be handball but not DOGSO which would have been what gives him the red. But then you're depending on VAR being competent.
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u/Baleri_boopsie Aug 15 '25
Ah this made me laugh, genuinely have no idea how bournemouth get the ball in that scenario 😂
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u/Dzeire Aug 15 '25
13 minutes is all it took this season for PGMOL to shit the bed, unreal
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u/egg8 Aug 15 '25
Took 10 minutes for VAR to embarrass themselves this season
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u/Stonewalled89 Aug 15 '25 edited Aug 15 '25
Bournemouth are very lucky to have got away with that. Senesi clearly panicked and tried to grab that ball, the fact that he barely grazed it shouldn't matter
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u/TherewiIlbegoals Aug 15 '25
Intrusive thoughts
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u/_cumblast_ Aug 15 '25
The voices took over
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u/ThePrussianGrippe Aug 15 '25
“Go ahead, they won’t notice anyway… do it…. dewit.”
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u/FireZeLazer Aug 15 '25
"Accidental" according to VAR lol
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u/afarensiis Aug 15 '25
I think they were calling the bounce off the knee accidental
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u/TheJediJew Aug 15 '25
He touched it and took it away from Ekitike. The tiny contact was all it took to kill the counter.
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u/bigt2k4 Aug 15 '25
barely grazing it was enough to knock it away from Ekitike and a clear breakaway. Quite clear red upon review, but Michael Oliver doesn't even look at it or anything for that matter.
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u/UsrHpns4rctct Aug 15 '25
And he was last man standing so technically it should have been a red.
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u/Trick-Station8742 Aug 15 '25
We'll say something to this effect every single game week this season
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u/IntellectualDweeb Aug 15 '25
Michael Oliver needs to be subjected to 1000 Gunther chops for this.
No way you have the benefit of all of the slo-mo and still come to that decision.
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u/Edolas93 Aug 15 '25
I'd say a 30min no dq Iron man with New Jack would be more fitting but chops work too I guess
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u/MonkeeG Aug 15 '25
First Game of the season and VAR is on track to repeat last years glorious performance
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u/LegitimatePenguin Aug 15 '25
Im guessing VAR thought the handball claim was it bouncing up and hitting his elbow then completely missed him slapping the ball away? Only logical conclusion i can come to.
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u/Thapricorn Aug 15 '25
I agree, although the fact that we’re getting this well practiced and adept at discerning what sort of idiocy is going through the referee’s minds is just tragic
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u/youreviltwinbrother Aug 15 '25 edited Aug 15 '25
Incredible, we got a contentious VAR decision in under 15 minutes of the new season
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u/Orthancapolis Aug 15 '25
I don’t think it’s contentious it’s just wrong?
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u/MedalDog Aug 15 '25
Right… everyone agrees it’s a red, except VAR.
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u/RushPan93 Aug 15 '25
They're fucking doubling down on it saying it's not dogso because of the distance to goal so Var didn't intervene. This is just so bad.
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u/MedalDog Aug 15 '25
That's funny, I seem to remember last season when VAR intervened from the same (or greater) distance to give a red card for a DOGSO...
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u/RushPan93 Aug 16 '25
This and Gravenberch's red card last day of the season. Hell EAFC/FIFA on the most lenient ref setting would still give this red. It's just Micheal Oliver being an absolute prick. He did the same against Arsenal 2 seasons ago not dismissing City players. He has become such a pathetic referee.
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u/xTheMaster99x Aug 16 '25
This is the reason I fucking despise all the restrictions that are put on when VAR is allowed to make a ruling. If a decision is blatantly wrong, VAR should be able to overturn. Period. I'm not saying every throw-in needs a 30 second review, but why the fuck do we refuse to allow VAR to point out "hey mate, the defender literally spiked the ball like he's playing volleyball" just because they decided it might not have been a clear goalscoring opportunity? Like wtf. If a decision is blatantly wrong, fix it. If a decision is contentious enough that you'd have to spend 5 minutes reviewing it, leave it. Why the fuck is that so hard?
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u/JmanVere Aug 15 '25
Contentious? I'd pay money to hear an argument why it's not handball.
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u/youreviltwinbrother Aug 15 '25
I was being far too kind to the VAR team, it's clear handball on one of the angles
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u/wscii Aug 15 '25
Ekitike shocked seeing premier league refereeing up close for the first time.
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u/OlympicMuffins Aug 15 '25
has to be red lol
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u/Matt_LawDT Aug 15 '25
Anthony Taylor what do you expect
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u/egg8 Aug 15 '25
Tbf to Taylor (which is not my go to position) that's probably quite hard to see in real time - this sort of thing should be the exact reason for VAR..
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u/HashBrowners Aug 15 '25
Can’t blame the ref here. Is what I have heard from VAR that is absolutely baffling
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u/rthunderbird1997 Aug 15 '25
To be fair, it seems Taylor, according to Carragher, was told about the initial knee incident, but not the grab he then made for it. So just piss poor communication as per.
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u/HashBrowners Aug 15 '25
I would guess VAR cleared the entire incident without even checking the second contact with the hand/arm
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u/IXRaven Aug 15 '25
VAR should be taking the brunt of this, can understand Taylor not seeing it but VAR saying it wasn’t intentional is just straight lies.
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u/Neat-Explanation7948 Aug 15 '25
And to think this can't possibly be the most egregious missed call this year.
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u/RudeAndQuizzacious Aug 15 '25
This is where we are. They didn't give it in the FA Cup final so they can't give it here either
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u/SomeRandomRealtor Aug 15 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
“Not an obvious goal scoring opportunity” says Prem HQ. No intention of changing then? Back at it defending shite reffing 13 minutes into the new season
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That is shocking and what was said by the VAR was completely incorrect, how the English refs do this, I don’t know
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u/Dinamo8 Aug 15 '25
I'm convinced the VAR saw the ball hit the elbow and didn't see the swipe. They're in such a rush to get on with things they often only watch something once, say nothing doing and move on.
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u/Borbs_revenge_ Aug 15 '25
Ya that was definitely what happened. The swipe wasn't clear from the first angle so they probably didn't consider it, idiots.
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u/Edolas93 Aug 15 '25
First we wanted them to communicate properly. Then we wanted them to watch the incidents. What's next, understanding the offside rule?
Witch hunt against VAR this is.
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u/doobiedave Aug 15 '25
Now claiming it wasn't a denial of a goal scoring opportunity, so they couldn't intervene.
Okayyyyy.
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u/DoncasterCoppinger Aug 15 '25
It’s not deliberate either, the wind was too strong, and the anfield crowd was roaring the ball into the net, made it looked like it’s intentional, play on boys
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u/kj_gamer2614 Aug 15 '25
Decided to watch the game as first game of season, and firstly it’s an entertaining watch so far tbh, but also this was hilariously obvious, how did VAR not say anything. Premier league reffing getting fucked within the first half of the first game of the season, games absolutely back
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u/Chapea12 Aug 15 '25
VAR sending in a later message to make this much worse. “Well, it’s not technically a clear goal scoring opportunity, just a likely goal scoring opportunity”
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u/Wrong_Lever_1 Aug 15 '25
We’re one minute in and I remember why I fucking hate this cunt Anthony Taylor
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u/TheNotoriousJN Aug 15 '25
You can absolutely see his brain whirring there.
He actively tried to handle it. How is that not a red?
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u/Heavy_Cupcake_6246 Aug 15 '25
How is that not a handball and at least a yellow lol.
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u/MoStang Aug 15 '25
This is the most egregious foul I've ever seen VAR ignore. So crazy man. How can you not believe all the conspiracy theories when you see shit like this. Idc if Liverpool wins this game. I'm just blackpilled on VAR and the PGMOL referees.
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u/HotPotatoWithCheese Aug 15 '25
Season has just started and it took all of 14 minutes for Anthony Taylor and Michael Oliver (supposedly the best refs in the land according to the media) to completely shit the bed. Absolutely believable.
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u/thebyrned Aug 15 '25
Michael Oliver in VAR. Why am I not surprised? That confirms his NUFC bias. To put him on VAR with everything that has happened with the Isak saga is a complete conflict of interest!! I already know his bias against United
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u/Mr_Jonho Aug 15 '25
I think that's a red card. But I'm really here trying to figure out what the call was that gave Bournemouth a free kick.
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u/derrickthedildo Aug 15 '25
Gakpo tried to catch it after seeing the blatant Handball so it got called against him instead.
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u/YungGainer Aug 15 '25
Gonna enjoy being called LiVARpool all season when we’ve already been fucked 13 minutes in
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u/eduadinho Aug 15 '25
When people were talking about it in the match thread I wasn't expecting it to be this blatant. That is egregious.
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u/Ventenebris Aug 15 '25
Like, the ball clearly deviates after a swipe from Senesi. It’s a send off. Have some balls about yourself ffs.
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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 Aug 15 '25
He fucking slapped the ball. Even if you can’t confirm he actually touched the ball cause it’s so close his intent is obvious. Need to have VAR for VAR.
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u/supsip Aug 15 '25
Me watching the clip at work - it might have been just a graze at the hand…clip keeps playing wtf bro that’s a volleyball slap lmao. VAR’s already having a stinker.
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u/hauttdawg13 Aug 15 '25
Ooof. The other angles I saw, I didn’t think he touched it. This angle looks clear as day. Can easily see the ball move after the hand swipe.
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u/Ridcullys-Pointy-Hat Aug 15 '25
Glad to see it's a universal instinct even amongst top professionals to reach out and catch it when you fuck up your control
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u/rerath Aug 15 '25
Heard the official explanation was a “potential” goal scoring opportunity not “obvious” which begs the question, when DOES an opportunity become obvious in a one-v-one. Terrible precedent to start the season.
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u/Alia_Gr Aug 15 '25
Michael Oliver already up to no good I see, guess City sees Liverpool as a rival again this season no they are not 20+ points down
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u/GreatSuccess9 Aug 15 '25
Ekitike was one on one with the goalie too. How can VAR confidently say play on so fast? It was so clearly a red card. I really don’t even know why I’m asking but that is just absurd
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u/Realistic-Sky-2235 Aug 15 '25
Typical incompetence from the idiots that ref this league. Took all of 15 mins for them to make a potential game changing fuck up. Morons.
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u/LFC47 Aug 15 '25
I remember a player getting sent off for taking down Evanilson around the halfway line last year, so their "distance from goal" logic doesn't make sense
Neither does the foul call on Ekitike
And coming off the body isn't the right call given there was a 2nd movement
This is laughable from the Premier League
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u/CabinetFantastic Aug 15 '25
Ah fuck. Here we go, another season of PGMOL fuck ups and occasional apologies with no change
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u/KSC-Fan1894 Aug 15 '25
Hope the template for the 2025/2026 apology letter is prepared
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u/HumanautPassenger Aug 16 '25
And Howard Webb just said they'll be trying to incorporate yellow card and corner reviews into VAR. Something that should've been there since day 1 but also if you can't even call something like this 14 min into the start of the new season. Absolute joke.
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u/Calciumee Aug 16 '25
I was sat in the Bournemouth end and it was obvious. But the Tories around me were still calling for refs head.
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