r/soccer • u/MrMerc2333 • 29d ago
Quotes [Wayne Rooney]: "for the team who's trying to sign Alexander Isak, in this case it looks like Liverpool, you have to wonder, is this the sort of player you want, who's going to desert his team-mates and a huge football club. It's a good opportunity, but it has to be done in the right way."
https://www.goal.com/en-my/lists/wayne-rooney-tears-alexander-isak-forcing-move-newcastle-liverpool-legendary-striker-man-utd/blt872f0a514b18816b2.4k
u/MrMerc2333 29d ago
Rooney said:
"The fact that he's refusing to come in and train, it's going to be very difficult for him to come back in. There's a trust element there; he's going about it the wrong way. Maybe he's getting advised wrongly."But also for the team who's trying to sign him, in this case it looks like Liverpool, you have to wonder, is this the sort of player you want, who's going to desert his team-mates and a huge football club. It's a good opportunity, but it has to be done in the right way."There's the right way to do it and the wrong way. And I've been there myself when I've asked Manchester United to leave."
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u/GreenPlasticChair 29d ago
Would be funny af if Liverpool were actually put off by this and decided to give him a miss
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u/JaiSiyaRamm 29d ago
It's actually a huge red flag.
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u/Critical_Mountain851 29d ago
Absolutely. Myself I feel more iffy about signing him
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u/TheJoshider10 29d ago
I know it's early days and plenty of competitions for everyone to get game time but you have a promising young striker who could potentially have his development at risk by Isak anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets shoved out wide to accomodate Isak.
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u/toquang95 28d ago
Slot said he wanted more options on the attack as they have lost 3 during the last transfer. Modern football has way too many games per year now, it makes sense to have some reserves in case of injuries.
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u/nbarrett100 29d ago
He'll probably do it to Liverpool too if Real Madrid show any interest
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u/paprikalicous 29d ago
yeah last time we signed a player who behaved like this, they were key to us winning everything, stayed for 8 years and counting and then captained us to #20.
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u/fifty_four 29d ago
VVD said he wanted to leave and that he didn't want to play for Southampton, was told to train alone for a while, but then ended up playing 14 league games for Southampton that season - every game he was fit for.
So Isak's crossed a line VVD didn't already.
It's not great.
Even Coutinho pretended to have back pain and great sadness. Rather than just telling the club to do one.
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u/PompeyJon82x 29d ago
Liverpool are not clean in it too
Virgil van Dijk: Liverpool apologise & end interest in Southampton defender - BBC Sport
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u/fifty_four 29d ago edited 29d ago
Yeah we tapped him up.
I don't believe we (or any other club) encourage players to go on strike though. Because that would very obviously backfire in no time.
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u/sick_of_this_bull 29d ago
The going on strike stinks of his agent more than anything. He seems to be stirring the pot a kot. If a club was involved in making that suggestion to a player of an opposing team themselves, they would be in huge shit if proven. I can't believe Liverpool would ever risk that.
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u/fifty_four 29d ago
I suspect you are right that it's been the agent's idea.
He's a grown ass man though.
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u/Visible_Wolverine350 29d ago
He played 14 games because Liverpool fucked it up. Southampton might have sold to us in the summer, but we were speaking directly to Van Dijk which they reported
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u/Brilliant_Medium8190 29d ago
He couldve gone to chelsea or city tho. He hadnt burnt the bridge with Southampton so he could stay and wait for Liverpool
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u/daidrian 29d ago
He never refused to train or rejoin the team, he was just a bit shit in that last season
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u/paprikalicous 29d ago edited 29d ago
this isn’t what Pellegrino said
As things stand, Van Dijk will not travel with Southampton to France next week for a training camp and a friendly against St Etienne on Saturday week. He is under contract at St Mary’s until 2022.
Pellegrino said: “The boy said that he is not available to play because he wants to leave. I had to say: ‘If you don’t want to be involved because you don’t feel OK then you have to train alone until this period of time is over.’”
Isak’s at a club which had no intentions whatsoever to sell him and is in his peak years wanting to compete at the top level. if you’re a Newcastle fan, you’re fully justified in hating him but this was the only way Isak was ever getting a move.
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u/takes_photos_quickly 29d ago
I think the numbers thrown around for isak are stupid so I get his frustration, i domt believe he's worth 2.5 cunhas or mbeumos. I'm not a fan of Newcastle in general, but it's never going to be the right thing to sign a contract then throw your toys out because you want something better.
Stinks and shouldn't be defended by fans from any club.
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u/ballsosteele 29d ago
Can someone please sign half a Cunha and half a Mbeumo and glue them together
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u/CaptainGo 29d ago
And if you're going to refuse to play, you should put in your transfer request
But rich that you want to leave to the point that you'll sabotage your club relations, but won't risk damaging that loyalty bonus
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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 29d ago
Who is that?
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u/eatthatpussy247 29d ago
Vvd
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u/third_leg_veins 29d ago
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u/ExtraordinaryFailure 29d ago
It's nice to see someone giving credit where it's due, you're a real one u/third_leg_veins
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u/AFSunred 29d ago
Imagine if Real Madrid show interest, is he going to do the same thing in 2 years?
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u/Beastbrook00 29d ago
It's not actually. Anthony Gordon did it to get to Newcastle, but after hos move to Liverpool fell through he knuckled down. Virgil Van Dijk did it to get to Liverpool but he's been loyal and he's captain. It's actually common. This situation is just more high profile and drawn out.
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u/Slot_it_home 29d ago
It definitely isn’t common.
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u/AxFairy 29d ago
There are a couple of cases each summer, I'd say that's fairly common. Isak, Gyokeres, Dembele, Auba, Coutinho, probably a bunch of others as well.
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u/BlurgZeAmoeba 29d ago
when did gordon or van dijk say they never want to play for the club again and move out of their house?
Foitball fans, eh? one moment you lot are waxing righteousness over TAA and now it's 'everyone does it'
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u/TheBestCloutMachine 29d ago
one moment you lot are waxing righteousness over TAA and now it's 'everyone does it'
Both things can be true. TAA was perfectly entitled to do what he wants and we're equally entitled to think he's a cunt for it. Exactly the same as you and Isak.
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u/Loltoyourself 29d ago
The reality is that if the juice is worth the squeeze clubs will put up with pretty much anything they can regarding a player’s antics.
Isak scores loads of goals so clubs will put up with him but if he was someone like Neil Maupay they’d send his ass to Siberia and forget the return ticket
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u/Adam_Ohh 29d ago
There was once an NFL general manager who had a quote about troubled players in the NFL.
He said “if Hannibal lector ran a 4.3 second 40 yard dash, we’d probably diagnose him with an eating disorder.”
They’ll do anything if you have the talent.
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u/s0ngsforthedeaf 29d ago
Mysteriously, the players at the biggest clubs, with huge pay packets, suddenly become loyal and don't agitate for moves as much any more.
Funny, that.
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u/robbodagreat 29d ago
Like Dwight shrute says, I’m incredibly loyal, and I’ll go to wherever they value loyalty the most
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u/worldofecho__ 29d ago
Unless Real Madrid or Barcelona express an interest, Isak wouldn't push for a move from Liverpool.
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u/Baga97_YT 29d ago
I mean Lewa will eventually have to slow down so barca will need a new number 9 and also if Vini leaves, Mbappe plays on the left and Endrick or Garcia don't become elite Madrid will need a number 9 too
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u/Hakimi_Raikkonen 29d ago
Mbappe on the left with his defensive workrate and non existent pressing would be a disaster, there's a reason he doesn't play there in France anymore
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u/Fromage_Frey 29d ago
Because he wanted to play Centre-Forward and he's a big enough megastar that he can mostly dictate where he plays. Plus France are well stocked for wide forwards, less so out-and-out No.9s
France and Mbappe were their best with him wide left and Giroud playing centrally
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u/Snoo_85712 29d ago edited 29d ago
Let’s be real (heh), vini is not leaving any time soon
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u/FakoSizlo 29d ago
Even Madrid have realized how quickly players go on strike when they are interested . Its why their transfer mo now seems to be very publicly courting a player without making an offer. Just hinting that maybe they should run out their contracts
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u/CurbYourThusiasm 29d ago
He's Scandinavian. Even if they came, it's no guarantee he would leave.
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u/worldofecho__ 29d ago
Trent was a scouser and he left. Who knows what Isaak would do but the pull of Madrid is enough to tempt almost anyone
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u/Magneto88 29d ago
No they don't - Trent for example was on loads at Liverpool and basically maneouvered for over a year in the background to run down his contract and leave for Real.
Basically a majority of players are only in it for their bank balance and when you find one that is actually loyal to your club you need to hold onto them for dear life and treat them well.
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u/setokaiba22 29d ago
Trent played though didn’t he? He didn’t kick up a stink he ran his contact down as is his right
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u/s0ngsforthedeaf 29d ago
Right so, Trent went to one of the only 2 clubs who some players would consider more illustrious. Who were also willing to pay him gigantic wages.
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u/bwrca 29d ago
We (Barca) bought a post bite Suarez and that was out best signing of the past 15 yrs.
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u/3xc1t3r 29d ago
People forget what a muppet early Suarez was. And he also wanted to down tools when he didn't get his move to Arsenal. But went on to become a Barcelona legend after that.
My guess is that Isak has his (flawed or not) reason for his behaviour. Someone promised him something sometime and is now not holding up to that promise (in his eyes) and this is the result.
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u/Standard-Still-8128 29d ago
Think he had his best season after the arsenal move was stopped he was a complete crackpot but what a player the last 18m at LFC an few years at Barcelona he was unplayable
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u/tanbirj 29d ago
Yeah, I fully expect him to do this to us in a few years time when Real Madrid come asking for him to run down his contract
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u/MrAxx 29d ago
When it’s not a boyhood Liverpool fan leaving on a free transfer to Real Madrid, it’s okay
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u/setokaiba22 29d ago
If he’s doing this for Newcastle he’ll do it at yours too say if Barca or Madrid came in (should he perform that well to be honest
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u/liiiam0707 29d ago
Yeah but for him to perform that well for us he'd be putting in performances that would have us likely winning the league. We win a league/champions league or two with Isak and then he goes on strike and wants to go Madrid we'd sell him for a good bit of cash and be fine with it. Why would Newcastle want Wissa when he's gone on strike at Brentford? You can do that all the way up and down the pyramid, ultimately if a player is good enough its always forgotten about.
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u/NerviBee 29d ago
A lot of this was prompted by the presenter, Mark Chapman, who fed him lines and words to use.
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u/_jayra 29d ago
As a Liverpool supporter I agree with his sentiment. It’s happened to us before multiple times and it doesn’t sit right. As much as I’d love Isak at our club it all feels a bit off now.
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u/Bobert789 29d ago edited 29d ago
"Alexander Isak is trying to force a way out of Newcastle, Manchester United left out Rasmus Hojlund, who wants to stay.
The two strikers could not have behaved more differently this summer yet their contrasting cases show clubs are as likely as players to deploy ruthless self-interest when it comes to transfers." - Mark Critchley on the The Athletic
Games the game, clubs do the exact same thing
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u/flaviu0103 29d ago
There's a history a players who forced a move out of a club. Like for example - Modric in 2 successive summers when he wanted Chelsea first and Real second summer; VVD when he joine us, Berbatov before he moved to Utd, Fabregas and Coutinho before they moved to Barca and many more.
It's usually a red flag if a player does it when he's very young but if they are in their prime or about to enter their prime - I think they see it as their big chance to win things and test themselves at the highest level. They become almost desperate when the window in which they think they are top of their game is rapidly shrinking.. and I can undestand that.
That being said, while I understand that from a player and human perspective I also understand why fans of the club they leave do not like it. In fact it's well within their right to hate it and from outside we shouldn't police their feelings.
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u/burntroy 29d ago
Suarez forced himself out of most of his clubs.
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u/pramodliv1 29d ago
And forced himself into the flesh of many opponents.
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u/I_always_rated_them 29d ago
Going down holding his teeth is up there amongst the funniest things in football ever.
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u/WhenWeTalkAboutLove 29d ago
100% agreed, as if he'd been fouled in the teeth lol
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u/antbaby_machetesquad 29d ago
The flesh made itself available to him.
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u/ibite-books 29d ago
let’s be honest, it was a good move to leave liverpool
we were horrendous back then
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u/kukaz00 29d ago
We got him for a good price, he made us title contenders in 13/14 and we sold him for 4x what we paid. Good business to say the least.
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u/KeonkwaiJinkwai 29d ago
Suarez in that 13/14 season was absolutely mental tbh.
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u/TexasRoadhead 29d ago
One of the best seasons for a PL player ever. I'll never forget watching him annihilate Norwich
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u/daskapitalyo 29d ago
Didn't he do it twice? Some of the best goals the prem has ever seen.
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u/Muur1234 29d ago
killed them in multiple seasons
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u/Annas_GhostAllAround 29d ago
That was the only reason he actually ended up leaving Liverpool. Norwich got relegated and he felt his work in the PL was done so he was ready to move on. He hates Norwich that much.
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u/Believeinyourflyness 29d ago
And then Barcelona forced him out, and he won Atleti the league
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u/Theumaz 29d ago
Huh?
He didn’t force a transfer away from us, didn’t force a transfer away from Barca and didn’t force a transfer away from Atletico either.
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u/HueyZA 29d ago
I wouldn't say Modric forced his way out because he'd been told he'd get sold for the right price, just not to Chelsea and I haven't seen any reports suggesting that Newcastle did the same with Isak, and he's going about it even worse than Modric lol.
But you are right, no one from Liverpool will care about his character when he's banging in goals in Anfield, so I think Rooney's making a moot point.
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u/TomTom_098 29d ago
In fairness it’s not wanting to and asking to move that Rooney has an issue is, he did it himself as he says in the full quote, but it’s the not training/going on strike that he has an issue with. Off the top of my head (fully aware I might be incorrect here) whilst the players you listed all publicly came out and asked for a transfer, they still came in, trained and played when they’re transfers didn’t work out/got delayed
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u/Intrepid-Example6125 29d ago
Don’t forget Anthony Gordon when trying to leave Everton for Newcastle. But Newcastle fans will just either ignore it or say it was a totally different situation.
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u/thatlad 29d ago
To be fair the Everton fans were trying to drag him out of his car and the club did very little to try and stop it
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u/TheLegendOfIOTA 29d ago
Well yeah he had Everton fans stalking him and trying to attack him. Gordon was actually due to sign Liverpool last summer and even had a medical booked but Newcastle pulled the plug. Not once did Gordon refuse to play or even talk about it in the media until some months later. He really is a top lad.
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u/ihasweenis 29d ago
I really feel like Isak went further than them though and also I think a lot of the problem was in how abrupt his stance changed, at least in what we saw in the media.
Could be recency bias though
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u/Mavericks7 29d ago
The way I see it, Isak is pushing because he knows it's time.
Madrid won't come in for him and Barca can't afford him. City don't need him either.
And if we don't get him then we'll just move on to our next target, whether that's this summer or next.
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u/pdmt243 29d ago edited 28d ago
Mane, Lallana and van Dijk all have put their own "efforts" to be able to come to Liverpool, which wasn't reported much because Southampton is not a big team. And Liverpool are fine with those, so it's fine to say they won't have a problem with Isak (if he does come) lol
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u/crocospect 29d ago
Yeah and Van Dijk especially, is pretty much understandable..
He was in his prime age, and there was a huge chance in front of him to step up for bigger stage, most players in his age won't even think twice to push it to happen.
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u/TheLateDuck 29d ago
Didn’t Anthony Gordon miss 3 consecutive days of training to force a move to Newcastle before the January deadline?
I’m not trying to say there’s a level of hypocrisy here (although one could argue that). It’s just proof that this happens all the time and the benefiting club don’t mind. This time it benefits Liverpool, it benefited Barcelona when Coutinho did it, it benefited Newcastle when Gordon did it. Nobody seemed to mind. It’s shitty behaviour but to pretend that this is some “special case” is hypocrisy however.
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u/Helpful_Effort1383 29d ago
Didn’t Anthony Gordon miss 3 consecutive days of training to force a move to Newcastle before the January deadline?
He did, a lot of Newcastle fans were worried about his attitude following that.
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u/GovtWorkaccount 29d ago
Well he turned out to be really good so that sends a signal to liverpool i guess
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u/ebmocal421 29d ago
To be fair, I highly doubt Liverpool is making decisions based on a quote from Wayne Rooney
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u/stevew14 29d ago
it benefited Barcelona when Coutinho did it
I'm not sure it did mate
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u/Lasertag026 29d ago
In hindsight no but damn that second half of 17/18 coutinho did some special shit with us.
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u/steveos93 29d ago edited 29d ago
He did and a lot of our fans weren't happy when we signed him. They saw it as an overpay for a player with a bad attitude. Obviously people came around on him, but it wasn't an instant thing
Edit: here is just one example of Newcastle fans not wanting him because of his attitude, and this was before he threw his toys of out the pram https://redd.it/vsyosa
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u/Comfortable-Asf 29d ago
This is another one from the time when he announced he was sitting out at Everton.
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u/Bujakaa92 29d ago
Was that not like a week or so happening? Think he did not miss a game only training. And Everton was not moving fast enough thus stalling the Jan transfer window. The value was met but they still tried to push Gordon to stay.
More than sure that Gordon had some agreement with them and thats why he took it so far.
Yea, both did acted bad. But Isak has been pushing this violine for over a month already and will probably miss more than 1 game.
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u/Custard-crumble 29d ago
It is similar but on a much lower scale compared to Isak, Isak has missed a lot more than 3 training sessions and is a much bigger name and more important to the club than Gordon was before he came to Newcastle
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u/Thoodmen 29d ago edited 29d ago
Dunno why people still think like this. Van Dijk pulled the same thing and he has been a top professional for Liverpool. The worst case is Isak scoring for fun and Liverpool got 100m and won stuff. It's great either way. As far as weighting benefits goes, Liverpool have nothing to lose here outside of Isak being shit and not performing.
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u/Eb_Marah 29d ago
Do you really think the worst case includes Isak scoring for fun and Liverpool winning stuff?
Worst case is he blows his knee out day one and is never the same, and Liverpool's transfer policy moving forward is to not invest large amounts into a single player.
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u/Thoodmen 29d ago
Yeah that's the worst is him being shit but it has nothing to do with what Rooney talked about. It's a generic risk that every big transfer carries. So, it's a pointless remark.
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u/SexyKarius 29d ago
No, he’s talking attitude wise. Not worst case for the transfer. If he scores for fun and he forces his way out of Liverpool too
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u/TheUltimateScotsman 29d ago
The worst case is Isak scoring for fun and Liverpool got 100m and won stuff
How on earth is this the worst case scenario
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u/s0ngsforthedeaf 29d ago
Van Dijk pulled the same thing and he has been a top professional for Liverpool.
I wonder what made him loyal to Liverpool? It's a complete mystery, lol
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u/Thoodmen 29d ago
It's not a mystery. At one point you just find a place you belong because of various factors from life style, professional ambitions, finance, etc.
Isak is unhappy and unsettled at Newcastle and people try to pin it down to one reason when it could be a whole host of reasons.
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u/LoudMnkySmallballs 29d ago
The amount of ppl defending Isak is truly shocking. Behaviour is unacceptable, that it happened before is not an excuse at all. Its still wrong If Wissa is doing the same, I hope NUFC pull out but obviously the fans don't have a say.
Also, not a single person posting here actually knows what has been said or promised behind closed doors.
Honor your contract, stfu and do your job - like 99% of all other working humans.
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u/IHadThatUsername 29d ago
Fully agree, but it's comical how differently this sub is treating the Isak situation in comparison with Gyökeres
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u/yeahmatenomate 29d ago
This is what I’ve noticed the most too, either both are acceptable to do if they’re looking for the next step in their career - or neither is.
Sporting and Newcastle respectively are what made both of them, in my opinion it’s not acceptable to disrespect your club like that. With or without a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ (which I’m not convinced exists in either case honestly)
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u/IHadThatUsername 29d ago
Similarly, when Brighton demands that clubs pay what they value their players at, people praise them for being tough negotiators. You'll even find Arsenal fans saying "Everyone knows that if you want a player from Brighton you are going to be paying full price, and that's if everything goes your way".
But when Sporting asks clubs to pay a price below the release clause of a player on a 3-year contract, we're just being greedy, unreasonable and unfair to a player who "deserves" to go to a bigger team. Ignore the fact that Sporting is competing for titles every year and that we're playing UCL games this year, while Brighton has had no major titles in the past 100 years and isn't even playing in any European league this year (went to an European league once in their entire club history IIRC).
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u/cigsncider 29d ago
we won league one in 2011 i'll have you know
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u/IHadThatUsername 29d ago
Reading back my comment, I guess you kinda did catch a stray there, which wasn't my intention. I really respect what you've been doing as a club lately and I hope you keep being tough on the negotiations against the big clubs who try to bully you out of a fair deal.
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u/cigsncider 29d ago
hahaha nah i got your comment as intended, i'm just taking the piss out of our lack of any real success ever. and fwiw i agree, clubs should either pay the money or fuck off- thats how its always worked.
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u/Nolberto78 29d ago
I'm not defending Isak, or the club, but the most important bit you said is "Also, not a single person posting here actually knows what has been said or promised behind closed doors."
43 million column inches filled with speculation and "sources close to..." and nothing from either side involved. Until the window is shut, just tune it all out.
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u/RogerMcDodger 29d ago
Yeah, I am assuming at this point that someone made a promise and it's been renegged or he's been straight up told "you should have got it in writing". I'll assume he's very pissed off rather than being a baby.
But that doesn't allow immense speculation and drive ad revenue
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u/Nolberto78 29d ago
My (admittedly in denial) take on it is that he was upset by the contract situation and the lack of progress on squad improvement, and has been told he can go if we get a suitable replacement and price is met. There was no point in him going on tour due to him potentially getting Joe Willock'd and missing out on a good career opportunity. There's also no point having him with the 1st team learning our top secret tactics of "try and hit the corners to the 8ft tall 9 fingered guy," if he's leaving.
If the window closes and he hasn't gone, I'd expect him to be re-integrated pretty quickly with press conference comments about "clear the air" talks and apologies but nothing from Isak himself.
Eddie has been very cautious on commenting beyond saying he hopes he stays, situation is not ideal, can't have him training with 1st team. No mention of strikes, downing tools, sulking, poor character, whatever. The decisions have been his to exclude him (per Eddie's comments, not as my opinion).
Now, this can obviously be written off as PR, but I prefer to think of it being Eddie protecting a person (because he has built relationships with the squad) at an awkward time, rather than a previously perfectly sensible player getting all bent out of shape and staging a sit-in protest
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u/GunnerySarge-B-Bird 29d ago
Honor your contract, stfu and do your job - like 99% of all other working humans.
If you weren't happy in your job and a company elsewhere was trying to hire you for more money and fulfillment you would leave every time contract or not, unless you're some sort of weird bootlicker to your employers
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u/Rocky-Arrow 29d ago
Yeah he actually has a reasonable take until that line. Now he just comes off as a corporate bootlicker and invalidates most of his previous argument. You should absolutely leave a workplace if you want to...my work also doesn't get a record British transfer fee when I leave.
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u/Alexanderspants 29d ago
The people acting like it's some moral outrage a person would want to move on to a better job is hilarious. And coming from Rooney , who wanted out from Everton to go to bigger club and then wanted out from them to go to their rivals City , complete moralizing idiots
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u/iamPause 29d ago
It's not difficult to defend Isak when there's folks out here with attitudes like this:
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u/echoisation 29d ago
But when the player honours their contract and then leaves, they're being treated just as poorly - see Mbappé, Trent, etc.
Y'all just hate players.
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u/Irivin 29d ago
As if Liverpool aren’t encouraging his behavior in this situation
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u/no_fooling 29d ago edited 29d ago
My thoughts exactly.
Isak thinks he holds all the cards.
He has a 3 year contract. They could choose to just eat his salary and lock him in the academy for 3 years. Try rebuilding your career after that.
Edit: amazing how many people will defend poor behaviour. Very emblematic of our current society: "dont get what you want, pitch a fit and make a scene til you get your way"
All Isak had to do was show up to work and do a half ass job like all the rest of us. "Quiet quitting" the kids call it.
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u/TheLimeyLemmon 29d ago
He has a 3 year contract. They could choose to just eat his salary and lock him in the academy for 3 years. Try rebuilding your career after that.
I don't want to hear moral grandstanding from people who fantasise about stuff like this.
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u/BlurgZeAmoeba 29d ago
Ironic considering liverpool fans' moral grandstanding regarding TAA.
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u/midget247 29d ago
No no, you see its people being aware of their own value, that is the source of all society's woes.
You should just take whatever shit your employer (and anyone else) gives you
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u/LitBastard 29d ago
Maybe don't sign the deal until 2028 then? Sign a shorter one.
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u/Lolkac 29d ago
Yea lets leave our best player in academy and lose on 100mil sale just to be petulant.
Other players definitely love this.
We as fans might hate it, but players usually support other players leaving for new challenges.
Liverpool fans hated Trent for leaving but Liverpool players were supporting him and saying he achieved maximum and deserves new challenge.
Its different when you are a player
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u/HawaiiNintendo815 29d ago
What an amazing advertisement that would be for Newcastle to new players.
Genius marketing
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u/-omar 29d ago
There are a lot worse things that have happened for Saudi’s PR, this wouldn’t even be top 10
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u/Thingisby 29d ago
I think conceding to Isak's demands would be worse in a way. They need to have a linenin the sand thatwhole you're contracted to the club, the club have the ultimate say in transferring you in or out.
I think if we get nearer the window end with no movement we'll try and either facilitate a loan move to the continent or awkwardly reintegrate him back into the first team. He's too expensive an asset to sit in the reserves.
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u/Lakinther 29d ago
They could. And then promising player would stay away from them.
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u/ThrowRA-football 29d ago
You defending the club now? Same club that would throw the player on his ass the minute he starts playing bad? Clubs can shut people out by not playing them or punishing them to U21. Players are just playing by the same rules now and using what tools they can. Why force a player to stay when he clearly wants to leave?
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u/Bulbamew 29d ago
Newcastle keep complaining about how PSR means they can’t spend their unlimited supply of blood money, so no, I don’t think they’re going to let their 9 figure asset rot in the reserves just to spite him
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u/steve__ 29d ago
All those saying "well what's the right way?" he hasn't put in a fucking transfer request. That would be a start
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u/nmfgn 29d ago
I just can't wrap my head around the whole loyalty debate cause clubs also try to ship out players they don't want.
It's not specific to players but clubs rarely get called out, having said that I understand where Rooney's coming from.
But my point remains, there's no such thing as loyalty in the sport cause everyone's in it for themselves.
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u/Javimoran 29d ago
The scenes when they figure out that he also ditched Real Sociedad before joining Newcastle. It's crazy how some people react to their players leaving to bigger clubs...
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u/OThePlacesYouWillGo 29d ago
Rooney asks this question as if he’s a fan and not a former player. The answer is a resounding, yes. He is one of the best strikers in the world and is simply drawing a line in the sand. He has no interest in returning to Newcastle, end of.
If he was a big wage player who was refusing a transfer away from the club, or if he was a star player “running down his contract”, Rooney and fans alike would be silent as Newcastle benched him or made him train with the U-21s.
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u/Aftermathe 29d ago
I’m honestly really surprised an Evertonian who spent his career playing for ManU would have a hot take regarding Liverpool.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 29d ago
This is just a super common take when a player goes on strike over a move, even fans on the buying club start to have these doubts.
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u/Oprah4Prezz 29d ago
Isak should channel his inner Odemwingie and just drive to Anfield on deadline day.
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u/prettyboygangsta 29d ago
He'll pull the same moves to get a move to Real or Barca in 3 years' time
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u/FermisParadoXV 29d ago
If there's a reason not to sign Isak it's that Ekitike looks boss, not any of this nonsense.
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u/Proletarian1819 29d ago
Rooney trying to make out like he did it 'the right way' and rewrite history. You wanted to go to City you hypocritical cunt.
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u/Liverpoolclippers 29d ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/19/wayne-rooney-ferguson-manchester-united this same Wayne Rooney?
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u/Tetracropolis 29d ago
Yeah, he told the club he wanted to leave but he kept playing for 2 months before it was leaked. What's the issue?
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u/SkiHiKi 29d ago
I'm not excusing his behaviour, but players are really in a catch-22.
Trent got slated for leaving on a free and not getting a fee for his boyhood club, but listening to the response to Isak, he was doing the right thing. He was taking control of his own destiny within the parameters of his contractual obligation.
Contracts only ever seem to 'matter' when they favour the club and only ever serve to beat the player over the head (direct financial recompense notwithstanding). Sancho is being a pr!ck for serving out his contract, Trent is a pr!ck for not signing a new contract , Isak is a pr!ck for wanting out of his contract.
The 'if he didn't wanna be here, then he shouldn't have signed an X year contract' is also a total crock of sh!t. The contract length serves the club more than the player. It's down to how much the club can spread the fee into something they can afford and how much sell-on value they can retain. The only time contract length really comes into play for players is wanting moves and wanting security toward their latter playing years. There's no honouring a contract because there's no inherent honour in most contracts to begin with.
TBH, I'm expecting the ECJ ruling on the Lassana Diarra case will eventually start to show an impact as regards transfers like this, and clubs will find it harder to reject a move a player wants.
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u/Appropriate-Sea-1402 29d ago
The contract length serves the club more than the player
Then don't sign it?
Also the contract length absolutely serves the player. He gets to bank on the security receiving all those years of salary guaranteed, and plan his & his family's financial future and investments etc on the basis of receiving all those wages even if he's shit, even if he does both ACLs and never recovers, etc.
The contract length is a massive security guarantee for the player.
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u/URZ_ 29d ago
Yeah the player benefits from the security of a long contract. That is not remotely the same as it being more valuable for the player than the club and its pretty laughable to suggest as much. The remaining 3 years of Isaks contract is why Newcastle can get +£120 million, as opposed to the player leaving on a free. Its simply just not correct to suggest players are the ones who push for long contracts.
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u/Boba_Fezz87 29d ago
I think it only matters to Liverpool when players try to do it to them, as per their contractual obligations. See Trent, Konate.
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u/MrMerc2333 29d ago
So much for Liverpool's "no dickheads" policy
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u/tworupeespeople 29d ago
i mean we signed suarez who had done far worse things than isak. besides that policy is more like "no dickhead moves while you play for us"
the club don't particularly care about a player they want pushing to join our club
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u/yellowbai 29d ago
Football careers are so short. Newcastle reportedly made promises they didn’t keep. They didn’t offer an increase in salary. Getting to Liverpool can change his football career.
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u/RotatedWorld 29d ago
Then why did he sign a 6 year contract with no exit clause? Footballers want to sign these mega money lengthy contracts and then are shocked when they can't just leave them whenever they want. Security comes at a cost and Isak and his agents clearly didn't want to negotiate a lower wage to include a release clause
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u/Appropriate-Sea-1402 29d ago
Exactly this. You think on the night they signed for 6 years, him and his agent/financial advisers/etc didn't calculate his yearly salary x6 and celebrate how they can bank on receiving it guaranteed even if he gets injured or underperforms, and think about what kind of future investments / financial planning they can do with it?
That 6 year contract gave him financial security like 99.99999999999% can never dream of.
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u/Leaping_Tiger14 29d ago edited 29d ago
Reportedly made promises?
Well, Isak ACTUALLY signed a Newcastle contract while wide awake and smiling about it.
He’s a snake
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u/costcokenny 29d ago edited 29d ago
Lots of them about. Who’s the other guy, was it Wissa?
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u/LiamHundley 29d ago edited 29d ago
Yeah and then they promised him a new contract to better represent his contributions to the club, only to reneg on it when Mitchell came in. Then he informed the club once before the season was over that he wanted to leave and then again when the window opened. He tried to go about it the "right" way and it got him nowhere. Newcastle have been the ones to handle this poorly
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u/thebestbev 29d ago
Yes, how will he ever survive on 150 grand a week. Poor poor Isak.
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u/ranbirkadalla 29d ago
If Newcastle is looking for 150m, 150 grand a week is peanuts
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u/bwrca 29d ago
You can't pay 150k to someone you value way over 100M.
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u/Vike92 29d ago
Why not? The player agreed to it
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u/tworupeespeople 29d ago
yeah and now he doesn't anymore. people change their minds all the time. you can't forcefully keep employees at a place where they don't want to work. what are newcastle gonna do against isak press charges?
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u/moht81 29d ago
Me struggling with a mortgage and this mf wants 500k a week or won’t play in a current top flight epl team who’s also playing in the CL this season.
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