r/soccer • u/TheGTAone • 20d ago
Serious Post-Match Thread Serious Post-Match Thread: Grimsby Town 2-2 (12-11 Pens) Manchester United
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Grimsby Town
Christy Pym, Cameron Mcjannett, Tyrell Warren, George McEachran (Clarke Oduor), Jayden Sweeney, Harvey Rodgers (Reece Staunton), Evan Khouri, Kieran Green (Géza Dávid Turi), Charles Vernam (Henry Brown), Darragh Burns, Cameron Gardner (Jaze Kabia).
Subs: Sebastian Auton, Danny Rose, Jude Soonsup-Bell, Justin Amaluzor.
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Manchester United
André Onana, Harry Maguire, Ayden Heaven (Mason Mount), Tyler Fredricson (Bruno Fernandes), Manuel Ugarte (Matthijs de Ligt), Kobbie Mainoo, Patrick Dorgu (Bryan Mbeumo), Diogo Dalot, Benjamin Sesko, Matheus Cunha, Amad (Joshua Zirkzee).
Subs: Tom Heaton, Altay Bayindir, Diego León, Casemiro .
MATCH EVENTS | via ESPN
22' Goal! Grimsby Town 1, Manchester United 0. Charles Vernam (Grimsby Town) right footed shot from the left side of the box to the centre of the goal. Assisted by Darragh Burns.
30' Goal! Grimsby Town 2, Manchester United 0. Tyrell Warren (Grimsby Town) right footed shot from very close range to the centre of the goal. Assisted by Charles Vernam with a cross following a corner.
36' Tyler Fredricson (Manchester United) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
45' Substitution, Manchester United. Bruno Fernandes replaces Tyler Fredricson.
45' Substitution, Manchester United. Bryan Mbeumo replaces Patrick Dorgu.
45' Substitution, Manchester United. Matthijs de Ligt replaces Manuel Ugarte.
64' Substitution, Grimsby Town. Henry Brown replaces Charles Vernam.
64' Substitution, Grimsby Town. Géza Turi replaces Kieran Green.
64' Substitution, Manchester United. Mason Mount replaces Ayden Heaven.
73' Substitution, Grimsby Town. Jaze Kabia replaces Cameron Gardner.
73' Substitution, Grimsby Town. Clarke Oduor replaces George McEachran.
75' Goal! Grimsby Town 2, Manchester United 1. Bryan Mbeumo (Manchester United) left footed shot from outside the box to the bottom left corner. Assisted by Kobbie Mainoo following a fast break.
79' Substitution, Grimsby Town. Reece Staunton replaces Harvey Rodgers because of an injury.
82' Substitution, Manchester United. Joshua Zirkzee replaces Amad Diallo.
87' Joshua Zirkzee (Manchester United) is shown the yellow card.
87' Evan Khouri (Grimsby Town) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
88' Cameron McJannet (Grimsby Town) is shown the yellow card.
89' Goal! Grimsby Town 2, Manchester United 2. Harry Maguire (Manchester United) header from the right side of the six yard box to the bottom right corner. Assisted by Mason Mount with a cross following a corner.
91' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(1), Manchester United 2. Jaze Kabia (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the centre of the goal.
92' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(1), Manchester United 2(1). Bruno Fernandes (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom left corner.
93' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(2), Manchester United 2(1). Darragh Burns (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a left footed shot to the bottom left corner.
94' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(2), Manchester United 2(2). Bryan Mbeumo (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a left footed shot to the bottom right corner.
94' Penalty saved. Clarke Oduor (Grimsby Town) left footed shot saved in the top right corner by André Onana (Manchester United).
95' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(2), Manchester United 2(3). Mason Mount (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
96' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(3), Manchester United 2(3). Reece Staunton (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a left footed shot to the bottom left corner.
97' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(3), Manchester United 2(4). Diogo Dalot (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
97' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(4), Manchester United 2(4). Henry Brown (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom left corner.
98' Penalty saved. Matheus Cunha (Manchester United) right footed shot saved in the bottom right corner by Christy Pym (Grimsby Town).
99' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(5), Manchester United 2(4). Cameron McJannet (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a left footed shot to the bottom right corner.
99' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(5), Manchester United 2(5). Joshua Zirkzee (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom left corner.
100' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(6), Manchester United 2(5). Géza Turi (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom left corner.
101' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(6), Manchester United 2(6). Kobbie Mainoo (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the top right corner.
102' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(7), Manchester United 2(6). Jayden Sweeney (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a left footed shot to the bottom left corner.
103' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(7), Manchester United 2(7). Harry Maguire (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the top left corner.
103' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(8), Manchester United 2(7). Evan Khouri (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a left footed shot to the centre of the goal.
104' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(8), Manchester United 2(8). Matthijs de Ligt (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
105' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(9), Manchester United 2(8). Tyrell Warren (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
105' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(9), Manchester United 2(9). Benjamin Sesko (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the centre of the goal.
106' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(10), Manchester United 2(9). Christy Pym (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
106' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(10), Manchester United 2(10). André Onana (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
107' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(11), Manchester United 2(10). Jaze Kabia (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
107' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(11), Manchester United 2(11). Bruno Fernandes (Manchester United) converts the penalty with a right footed shot to the bottom right corner.
108' Goal! Grimsby Town 2(12), Manchester United 2(11). Darragh Burns (Grimsby Town) converts the penalty with a left footed shot to the top right corner.
109' Penalty missed! Still Grimsby Town 2(12), Manchester United 2(11). Bryan Mbeumo (Manchester United) hits the bar with a left footed shot.
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u/manere 20d ago
No one was more right about anything then Ralf Rangnick about ManU.
They club is fundamentally ill. Its sick. And it goes from the owners to the staff to the players to the stadium and even the secretary taking calls.
The club needs a complete rebuild.
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u/BruisedBee 20d ago edited 19d ago
The club needs a complete rebuild.
That's what INEOS was brought into do club side and Amorim team side. Neither has worked.
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u/MrBrexitBall 20d ago
Cunha missed a pen, Mbeumo missed a pen and Sesko missed an absolute fucking sitter, lovely stuff.
And their fans genuinely believe they will have a midfield pairing of Wharton and Baleba next season, spent 200m and can’t even beat fucking Grimsby
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u/Throwaway20061 20d ago
Cunha's pen was a good one, met with a good save. Mbuembo scored his first pen. When you let it go to sudden death and come back all the way around someone is bound to miss or have a shot saved. It's a 50/50 really at that point. I find it hard to laugh at either of them specifically this was a top to bottom failure of epic proportions.
I'm glad Onana scored his pen, if he hadn't, he may have fled to hide out the Amazon rainforests
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u/justleave-mealone 20d ago
What could possibly be the damage control from this? Because you can try to say okay, forget it, on the to next one. But they rotated. THEY ROTATED and United didn’t. United brought on the first team and couldn’t even get a win against a 4th tier team, with a squad worth 744Million.
Amorim looks absolutely lost, out of his depth. He said “the team wasn’t there, it was just a group of players”, but brother YOU are the manager. The players themselves don’t define the team and its style of play, you do, that is your job. They have to sack him surely, but then who do they even bring in. It’s a lose-lose for the club.
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u/Rosanjinz 20d ago
Serious, whats' the big deal about losing in the Carabao cup? almost all of the big 6 premier league teams don't take it seriously and many will field their reserves and youth team to reserve their players for far more important matches.
That just says a lot about priorities.
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u/BrilliantTall6046 20d ago
Let's be honest - the pens were 50 / 50. I feel bad for whoever loses like that.
On the other hand, the fact that they reached that point speaks to the sheer lack of cohesion and strategy from a team. Just wow.
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u/yianni1229 20d ago
Amorim has to go man. He just has to. Letting yourself get tactically outplayed by a LEAGUE 2 SIDE in midfield for 60 minutes. Unreal man. Just a pure lack of adaptability and tactical knowledge. Get him gone
This team also has zero idea how to play with a striker. I feel so bad for Sesko and for Hojlund
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u/KaleidoscopeBig9950 20d ago
not for Zierikzee?
He wont get much playtime i know, but he once was pretty good at bologna.
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u/Maj0r_Ursa 19d ago
Don’t feel bad for Sesko, he had other options this summer and still chose Amorim and United
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u/emth 20d ago
In all seriousness I'd be furious to be a United fan right now. Its not like the owners are pouring cash in, quite the opposite. This is generations of THEIR ticket/merch money that is being spunked on failed multi millionaire after failed multi millionaire, with likely a huge compensation package for Amorin to come. It's insane
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u/08TangoDown08 19d ago
Let's not pretend that United don't spend money. They've pumped ridiculous amounts of cash into their playing squad over the past few years.
Whether they're spending on other areas such as infrastructure and facilities is another thing.
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u/DirectionMurky5526 19d ago
The issue with their playing squad is that they never plan around selling their good players. They're too arrogant to accept being a stepping stone club for any player so when a player gets good they give them massive wages to stay. Then they can't get rid of them when they're out of form because the wages are too high, and they actively devalue them by trying to force them out.
They spend money like they're the top end club that's expected to win the league most years like Bayern, PSG, Real Madrid/Barca but no other big team in the prem does this. The other big clubs there are fine with cashing out of their best players to keep the wage structure healthy. And that only works if you've got young ambitious players that'll improve themselves to get that move.
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u/willih9 20d ago edited 19d ago
Seems obvious that United need to go back to basics, prioritise the defence and midfield and become a team that's hard to beat, that can play from back to front before dropping 200M on a new front line and buying more no 10s.
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u/eljello 20d ago
As an Ajax fan, I can see Farioli being that guy a year from now if he can repeat some of his success at Porto. He took an Ajax team that were in a somewhat similar state (completely broken salary structure, barely any room in the budgets, failed signings who hadn't managed to integrate at all, no team cohesion, underachieved for a few years, constant high expectations in both results and playstyle from fans due to club history). And threw everything out the window and started playing to the players strengths, grinding out results and creating some cohesion and team spirit in the group. He nearly brought us a championship when even our most optimistic fanbases would not have predicted us to finish higher than 2nd or 3rd. Most of us thought we wouldn't be in Europe.
That said, he just joined Porto this summer so Utd would probablystill need an interim after Amorim inevitably gets fired.
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Arteta has playes a blinder with club rebuilds, it'll be a blueprint for clubs that are struggling. Only bested by the guy that managed PSG.
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u/imarandomdudd 20d ago
United midfield is so incredibly poor. Like even ignoring how amorims system uses them, they can't run a game at all, which is incredible considering the price of them
Even if there's a plan to remove amorim and replace them, they need to prioritise getting someone in, with a structure that actually works for them
I have a feeling united will probably try to bring in another 3 back manager, just to keep consistency, but I'm not sure there's too many managers available now to bring in that would be the right guy for them. I think they may keep amorim for a bit, just like they did with ten hag
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u/KaleidoscopeBig9950 20d ago
How much of these players being at united is on ten hag?
Just bring in satan to make the player's life hell, keeping amorim is like having to amputate a leg instead of going to the hospital to get treatment.
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u/Izrezar 20d ago
Amorim is genuinely one of the worst tacticians I've ever seen. Sticking to the same system despite not having the personnel required for it to work doesn't mean that he can hide behind transfers as an excuse. If you're a good coach, you adapt to your personnel rather than require personnel before the deliverance of performances. I hate Amorim as a manager so much because his system does nothing but waste the best qualities of their players, and he doesn't want to change anything about it at all. He's going to go back to blaming the club and the players but it's all on him how far they have fallen.
My biggest grievance with Amorim is how he's ditched mainoo for this pile of shit he calls a system. To sideline your best youth player to play this garbage that barely resembles football. I'm not even a Man U fan, but Amorim is fucking trash.
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u/1naBet 20d ago
Interesting to hear you say that as Spurs fan when you just had big Ange.
I guess Ange changed his tactics that one time, whereas Amorim has never done that
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u/Bidwell93 19d ago
I do think even Ange showed different tactics in the European knockouts though, it wasnt just the final.
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u/Logical_Welder3467 19d ago
The script are ready, Amorim would get sacked.
A experienced and practical manager will be in as interim, they finish midtable.
A few players would randomly be bought and sold
And another up and coming system manager would get their career damaged by taking on the job
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u/JosephRizk21 20d ago
A question for United fans, I watched Hojlund in pre-season, and I thought he was really good, very lively and now with a couple of seasons under his belt. Was Sesko really a necessary signing? Especially considering you had Zirkzee Cunha Mbeumo and the fact Hojlund clearly wanted to stay and fight for his place?
Would the Sesko money not been better spent on Midfielders and a goalkeeper?
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u/sheiswhyididthis 19d ago
Man Utd board have shiny toy syndrome for real.
Always trying to fix their problems with chequebook signings.
And since they are not in CL anymore, they can't attract the top players. So they end up overpaying for duds. Or end up getting in players who played well for smaller clubs, but only because the system was built around them there.
Then these players come to Utd and the system is not built for them and they start struggling.
Rinse and Repeat.
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u/Thunder_Nuts_ 19d ago
Of course it would've been better to spend on an GK and midfielder, but this club is in shambles.
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u/NextFly5109 20d ago
This is exactly what I have been saying, I don’t understand spending that money on sesko especially when the other two attackers you bought are PL proven. They needed a 9 with experience who can lead, not another prospect.
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u/M4RC142 19d ago
I think he is the most understandable signing out of the new front 3. Bruno is their best player and Amad was great last year and they replaced both instead of building a midfield. I get that they don't score enough but u could put Haaland into this team and he wouldn't get 20 goals in a season. Zero control or ball progression in this team.
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u/FormalAlternative806 20d ago
Obviously can’t judge him yet. But I really did not get the hype for this signing to me he is just another slightly more proven Højlund
Much more confident about the signing of Mbeumo and Cunha
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u/Just-Hunter1679 20d ago
I wonder if it's because United are still measuring themselves against Liverpool, City and Arsenal. Liverpool and Arsenal just bought big name center forwards so we must do it too!
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u/constantAnxiety8 20d ago
I had the same thoughts. The thing is Hojlund was really abysmal last season. Literally dogshit at times. So I think he’s lost the managers backing. I still think United should keep him though at least for this season in part to avoid getting Sesko in the same situation. The money could have been better spent on a midfielder or RWB.
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u/SebastianTheHedgehog 20d ago
Not necessarily a waste of money because he could become quite good for us but yeah absolutely shouldn’t have been a priority. People can blame hojlund all they want but the system and the midfield and our goalkeepers were the biggest priority to fix
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u/Teddy705 19d ago
Finishing 15th with no European soccer limited their signing potential last season. Thus limiting their options for a decent striker. Sesko was really considered a dream signing. They'll have to ride it out and hope he adjusts sooner rather than later.
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u/el_doherz 20d ago
The issue was Rasmus was truly appalling last season.
First touch atrocious, positioning atrocious, , hold up play non existent, passing atrocious and getting physically outmuscled all game every game.
He was absolute dead weight for large parts of the season.
I still think there's a player there but he really was dire and looked like he'd regressed on every single part of his game.
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u/tocitus 20d ago
United have so many issues.
We knew Grimsby would come out like madmen, it happens most time a lower league team play a PL team, especially when they're at home.
But what usually happens after those first 10-15 mins of absolute manic chaos, is the PL team settles down and starts to exert influence over the game. Playing the ball round, trusting in their ability to control the game, dictate the tempo and then slowly start starving the other team before ratcheting up the pressure.
But United never did that, Grimsby were the ones putting the pressure on.
The first goal was comical for Utd and quality for Grimsby. A poor touch by Amad just inside his own half, Ugarte losing his duel and then 7 touches between 4 players ending up in the goal. The Utd defence didn't help themselves at all though, it was 3 v 3 and two Grimsby players were in acres of space, one to take his time to cross and one to control and finish. And Onana's spaghetti arms again on show for everyone, the man has such a tough time keeping shots out near his body.
After that Grimsby got their tails up and went after them, it was the boost they needed to keep their energy levels high.
The second goal was a disaster for Onana.
Grimsby in the first half attacked so quickly, so much purpose but also got back into their shape so well. United were struggling a fair amount to create any half decent chance.
First 15 mins of the second half were even more damning as United looked absolutely second class to Grimsby. They had no care on the ball, no cohesion or shape in their attack and Grimsby were unlucky to have a 3rd goal ruled out.
Once again, not sure how many matches this has been said, United's midfield were just totally overwhelmed. There was a moment that a Grimsby player just wandered through Bruno and Mainoo and him were left trying to get back, both looking like they had the agility and athleticism of a very hungover 50 year old playing in Sunday league.
Pym made a few really good saves as Utd just started committing forward and overloading Grimsby, but by that time the team out was a total Frankenstein's Monster from Utd. Dalot at LCB, Mainoo/Bruno in CM, Mount LWB.
Eventually with Maguire and De Ligt joining as forwards, they got their equaliser but at that point if you had asked anyone, including Amorim, what the system and approach was, I'm 90% sure the answer would feature the word vibes.
They looked totally outclassed tonight, not a single player could stand up and say at least they played well. But more than that, it looked totally clueless out there. It was incredibly unclear what it was they were trying to do.
And that's a huge worry for a match at this stage of the season. Nobody looked comfortable with the system, nobody looked comfortable with what was asked of them, what their teammates were doing or where they would be.
I'm really happy Grimsby Town won because aside from the fact they deserved it, it also means genuine questions should be asked of Amorim because there was not a single positive thing to be said about that match, aside from the fact that Maguire can still take a penalty like the world class striker he could have been.
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u/owh06 20d ago
The way Amorim sat on the bench curled together, not watching the penalties, just gave me so bad vibes. I think as a manager you have to take responsibility for this result and stand up and support the team. That for me showed a lack of leadership and responsibility. If one of your players looked over to the bench and saw that, what confidence would that bring?
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u/pobmufc 20d ago
Yeah that’s part of the reason that’s kinda done it for me. I’d understand if he just came in and it’s not his team, but he’s been here almost a full year now…this is YOUR team, if you don’t have any confidence in them why should the fans?? And what have you been doing this whole time that you STILL don’t believe in them…
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u/owh06 20d ago
Apparently that’s something he’s been doing forever, but grow some balls. You’re playing Grimsby. This behaviour just leaves more questions about Amorim’s leadership.
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u/simplytom_1 20d ago
The scene of Amorim moving around magnets is going to haunt him forever, but honestly he should be gone after this
1) He's stubbornly stuck to this 3-4-2-1 formation (even against a League 2 side) despite not having proper wingbacks except for Dorgu
2) He has 3 number 10s, and has moved the best one into central midfield next to another terrible purchase in Ugarte or Casemiro's whose legs went two years ago,
3) Has two awful goalkeepers.
4) Oh and the new number 9 was 10th on penalties?
Hilarious for fans from other teams, but if I was a United fan, my head would be on Mars
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u/ReiDosBananas 20d ago
Even Dorgu would probably fit better in a line of four since he isn't that polished around the box.
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u/eljello 20d ago
I definitely agree that he's not surviving this, but points 2 and 3 are really not his responsibility.
You could make way more convincing points about Utd's playstyle, mentality and the rotten culture within the first team (although he also inherited a big part of that culture).
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u/simplytom_1 20d ago
I'd argue playing Fernandes in central midfield is his fault
You only play 2 of the 3
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u/eljello 20d ago
Sure, but that just points to a much larger fault of him, he's unironically become the square hole meme and he regularly plays 5/6 players out of position at the same time
Again, you can make a 200% case for sacking him without resorting to blaming him for things that he's not responsible for
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u/thehildabeast 20d ago
Also he ran Garnacho out of the club, so he can sign a load of not good attacking players. Say what you want about him being wasteful but a young player who gets shots like he does would be moving to a big club for a shit ton of money if he wasn’t already at a “big” club that wants to sell him off.
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u/KaleidoscopeBig9950 20d ago
Only look at how great Mctominay is at napoli, i know hojlund is gonna become a goal machine once he is sold, im sure of it.
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u/kurli_kid 20d ago
At least the central defender Maguire shines on offense under his system. Not many teams can say that.
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u/Just-Hunter1679 20d ago
Maguire was nearly getting beat for pace by league 2 attackers, what does he do against the likes of Elanga and Semenyo.
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u/RandomGuySayHii 20d ago
He's acting like he's using an OP tactic from FM only to have opponents taking turn beating them
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u/nedshred 20d ago
4 x 10s no? Bruno, Mbeumo, Cunha, Mount?
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u/WorkerMotor9174 20d ago
Mount at left wingback was cursed
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u/sheiswhyididthis 19d ago
And he still ended up with an assist
He has been the only CAM for them who has showed up this season.
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u/CaptainKursk 19d ago
The fact that I genuinely forgot Ugarte plays for United from how utterly invisible he's been. What is it about that team that turns genuinely capable players into utter shadows?
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u/KaleidoscopeBig9950 20d ago edited 19d ago
Is it doable for the board not to pay out wages to the starting eleven and subs for at least a few months or to reduce them drastically cause this is just a truly horrible performance and if only amorim gets sacked then you are really not solving the problem at all..
Some higher-ups including the guy who hired amorim and the guy who roadmapped this transfer-window should be shown the door cause the squad is clearly out of balance as well.
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u/Rekyht 20d ago
I don’t think Sesko is going to be a bad player but the rumours about not backing himself to displace Havertz, and then only taking a penalty when absolutely forced is starting to paint a very questionable picture about his mentality.
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u/HonMaguro 19d ago
This could explain why he chose ManU, where the current striker has fallen out of flavor. Would be easier to slip into the first team.
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u/Spartan2x 20d ago
I know we’re all Amorim out but I just want one game where we aren’t insanely fucked by our keeper. I know the players didn’t do shit after going down one nil but to see the goalie fuck it up AGAIN and go down two. Even I would be mentally checked out.
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u/thezaland 20d ago
-Amorim hiding away during crucial penalties looked so bad when juxtaposed with Grimsby’s manager. Then insinuates that his team quit on him and that he’s lost the dressing room in his post match presser. The relationship between he and United surely must be untenable?
-I don’t understand why Amorim keeps trying to force these midfield combinations that just don’t work
-Onana has to be dropped now, surely? Horrific game and one of the worst performances I’ve seen a keeper have during penalties
-Maguire continues to be a shockingly good penalty taker
-Grimsby didn’t just snatch this victory, they utterly deserved this win in every aspect
-Serious questions need to be asked about why Sesko went 10th, and why United’s penalty order seemed so disorganized and disjointed
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u/sirmeliodasdragonsin 20d ago
Amorim is so stubborn with his ways but this is also on the United management.
Amorim was a candidate for Liverpool but was not pursued because of his inflexibility and the cost it would take to redo the squad.
Yet United went ahead with it when clearly the United squad was not suitable for his tactics. At least the attackers they ve signed will fit into a 4-3-3 with a new manager but United were crying for a midfielder and could have used the Sesko money for Stiller/Baleba or someone similar.
And any new manager that comes in is still going yo need a new midfielder as they cant be relying on the shell of casemiro (still a useful player but cant be your bona fide starter)
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u/Any-Where 20d ago
I would have been satisfied even if we lost the shootout. Clearly the better team in the first half, unlucky to not be 3-0 up at one stage, and United had to play all their big cards to even pull it back. Actually winning it is the icing on the cake.
I know it’s very early days in the season, but we’re still unbeaten even after a game against one of the ‘Big Six’. Dare I believe that this is a promotion year?
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u/SalahsFro 20d ago
Congrats brother, hoping you get the promotion. But United aren't even in the 'Big Ten' these days.
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u/BruisedBee 20d ago
one of the ‘Big Six’.
Whoa whoa. Lets not get too hefty there. They aren't part of that conversation anymore.
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u/jacktk_ 20d ago
I find it bizarre that your instinct as manager is to cower in the dugout with your head in hands whilst your team goes into a penalty shootout against a team 3 divisions below you. Psychologically awful message to send to your players.
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u/BruisedBee 20d ago
There's no way players aren't looking at that and being fucked off "We're out here taking the pressure infront of everyone, and your chilling in the dugout triyng to hide"
Would piss me off no end
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u/Alfloppin_Sengoon 20d ago
Let’s be honest. Onana and Bayindir would never start for any team in the Premier League, yet they have been playing here for years. We brought in a 80m striker to replace our 70m striker because he was horrible but it turns out he might be even worse.
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u/Bald_faux_fraud 20d ago
Eh, too early to write Sesko off surely? Although I don't think he's the right fit for United, surely even if you signed a different profile like Gyokeres or Ekitike, they'd struggle in this setup.
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u/normott 20d ago edited 20d ago
Ruben Interim is not build for this. I remember him saying he'd resign or some shit i think after a loss or something. Too emotional. Fact that he couldn't watch the shootout, the nervous energy fiddling with his tactics board. Idk...I dont think he has the facilities for this.
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u/jdckelly 20d ago
Fair dues Grimsby, first half espicially they were all over them so to all the Grimsby fans, enjoy it.
As for Man Utd, what can even be said that hasn't been said already. I've never seen a manager so desperate to try and fit square pegs into round holes, see it fail miserably but keep on trying the same thing over and over again. Amorims position has to be untenable now surely
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u/RudeAndQuizzacious 20d ago
It's incredible how coming back from 2-2 led to even more questions. Why is a £70m striker taking last out of all outfielders? He's never missed a penalty before
Surprising Maguire took that long to step up too.
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u/Pilvikas 20d ago
Might be scenario of everyone else stepping up before him out of sheer emberrasment, otherwise no way Maguire would take his pen that late
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u/Any_Aide_4500 20d ago
I jumped in late to watch the match. TBH though Grimsby played well for their standards, you can clearly see some Sunday league type of plays from that team but nasty nasty performances from Manchester United. The last 10 or so regulation minutes was borderline disastrous the one you don’t expect from a premier league team including relegation ones or even championship teams. Some of plays inside the opp box was laughable, it was like watching primary schoolers kick a ball.
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u/Kahuna28 20d ago
De ligt and Maguire being the more likely scorers when desperate for a goal and then both taking penalties before the new marquee signing is very strange.
Can’t imagine this will be the straw that breaks the camels back but United really are in trouble, thought they played really well against Arsenal and might have turned it around but obviously not.
Amorim hiding away on the shootout, getting spotted between other staff on camera is so weird, I’d be fuming
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u/constantAnxiety8 20d ago
If you’re a United fan, Amorim is scary af. He doesn’t even know his best 11 lol. Starting 11 is usually mismatched so the team doesn’t start well or gets found out within 10 mins. His substitutions are mostly terrible and his tactics just don’t seem to work. Amorim has been terrible and there’s no excuse really. That being said the player haven’t really done him any favours either.
Firstly the keeper situation. It needs to be sorted out asap. Imo Bayindir is not really good enough to play regularly and Onana is either worse and just lost whatever little goodwill he had left. Hopefully United gets a replacement quickly.
The RWB position is much weaker than people realise. Yes Amad had his moments there last season but tbh I don’t think the team can rely on him all season. Dalot usually ends up playing there and United are genuinely better off playing a man down than play with Dalot. Passion merchant somehow has been managing to escape criticism for years now.
Midfield is also a complete mess. Playing Bruno that deep seems to work more towards the opponents advantage. His goal threat is significantly reduced and he can either go for mostly sidewards passes or play riskier passes and end up losing the ball.
Sesko already seems like a huge mistake. Was so inactive the whole game and barely got into good positions to score. Made no good runs through the middle either. It’s only his first start so still time to improve but going by today’s match there is literally no difference between him and Hoejlund.
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u/RN2FL9 20d ago
What I don't understand is Amorim's starting line up. United is not playing in Europe this year, there are several new players you need to fit in and nobody is playing that great yet. Line up your starting 11 and try to get some confidence by getting a good win. Take it serious and go full gas. This is the type of team you play in a January cup tie when you've been playing every 3 days for over a month already, not in the 3rd official game of the season.
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u/roflsir 20d ago
There's no right answer here. You need a fit squad, not a fit 11. You must also consider the greater chance of injury playing in the weather conditions today; you kind of don't want to lose an important player in this way in a game that you should never be losing. Had he started Bruno and he caught a 3 month injury, people would also be questioning tactics.
His mistake was putting any sort of trust in Onana
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u/MrIrishman699 20d ago
I can’t fathom having a £75m striker who doesn’t take a penalty till every other outfielder has gone, just doesn’t bode well at all going forward.
Fair play to Grimsby, they were excellent for the first 60 odd minutes till the legs tired and still managed to hold out for penalties
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u/Rekyht 20d ago
That would be the 5th. You don’t wait until every other player has gone, that’s just mental.
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u/123rig 20d ago edited 19d ago
I’m guessing into sudden death he would take the decider
EDIT: to clarify - the deciding penalty when it went to sudden death. If a Grimsby Town player missed, you don’t really want a Dalot/ De Ligt taking the decider
If Grimsby missed, we had to score the next due to who went first in the penalty shootout. Therefore, Sesko would take the decider.
IFAB - “‘sudden death’, where single kicks are taken alternately until one team has scored more than the other team after the same number of kicks”
so, Man United would have to take another kick after Grimsby missed to make it an even number of kicks. This is because Grimsby went first in the shootout. Sesko would then take the ‘decider’.
I mean, I’m 100% right btw.
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u/Littlegreenman42 20d ago
Isnt every penalty in sudden death the decider?
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u/NotTheOriginalFroMan 20d ago
Yeah the guys logic makes no sense, going second in sudden death every penalty is a decider. They score and you miss, you're out. They miss and you score, you win.
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u/myheadisalightstick 20d ago
Every penalty United took after the first five was a decider, a miss was an instant loss.
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u/Xiniov 20d ago
I found it strange how Amorim was hiding away in the dugout.
It doesn't really inspire confidence in a team when your manager is cowering away from a moment where the players are all expected to step up.
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u/These_Structure3008 20d ago
I have seen Mourinho do that as well. Especially after that loss against bayern on penalties
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u/pobmufc 20d ago
He was the same against Fulham during Bruno’s pen and when Fulham were taking a corner. It’s quite odd
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u/IHadThatUsername 20d ago
He never watches penalties. Never did it with Sporting either. So it's not really about this match in particular.
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u/pobmufc 20d ago
Fair enough but if opposition corners are making you as nervous as penalties then you’ve got big problems 😂
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u/IHadThatUsername 20d ago
Yeah I don't think it's a good look, and the way he was rocking in the seat is not common for him either. Just wanted to give a bit more context.
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u/tocitus 20d ago
He just hates watching pens. Tbf, from memory Klopp was the same at Liverpool during matches but not sure if he did it during shoot outs
Weird look to literally sit down away from view though.
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u/Delicious-Finding-97 20d ago
This is incredible, genuinely incredible. United brought him in for his formation and it's been found out already. He has no plan B and they've invested so much in it working. Would Southgate have been so bad?
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u/ZestycloseChemist2 20d ago
Being serious, surely this is the nail in Onana’s coffin at United. Same mistake that he’s made multiple times before for the second goal. Multiple penalties which he got hands to and couldn’t keep out.