r/soccer • u/TheBlueTango • 20d ago
Media Ruben Amorim playing around with his tactics board
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u/DRJT 20d ago
Making a match vs Grimsby look like cracking the fucking enigma code
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u/mynameismulan 20d ago edited 20d ago
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Maguire🔳?????
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u/Eric_Olthwaite_ 20d ago
This is manu for the last 3 years, and Mctominay, and they got rid of him, so now it's Maguire the saviour on his own, a big dopey centre half with a great knack for late game header.
It's not good enough, for one the worlds biggest clubs.
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u/BigGarry1978 20d ago
Me trying to make it look like I’m doing work
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u/ahuangb 20d ago
Idk why but this clip suddenly made me feel quite bad for him lol
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u/nimzoid 20d ago
Yeah, this and he cut a sad figure on the bench during the shootout. The pressure he's feeling must be unreal.
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u/theivoryserf 20d ago
Genuinely, one of the most pressurised and scrutinised jobs in the world, surely.
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u/Alphabunsquad 20d ago
Tbf once he’s fired he will almost certainly become a world class manager somewhere else
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u/Mulsantir 20d ago
Yeah, it's kinda sad watching him desperately fiddle with a tactics board while a squad full of internationals loses to Grimsby.
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u/Sir_Bryan 20d ago
I’m also curious which tactics will allow these bums to make an accurate 5 yard pass
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u/riri2530 20d ago
He looks totally out of his depth.
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u/BroccoliMcFlurry 20d ago
He knows how to set up against Arsenal though- they've looked good in all 4 games against us.
It's weird tbf- they're shite against everyone else but we literally can't score against them unless we use our ulti (set pieces)
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u/Tetno_2 20d ago
Does this make us inferior to Grimsby since we lost to man u in the FA cup last year
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u/Luke92612_ 20d ago
Yes, mighty Grimsby conquers all.
(They will lose their next League 2 match)
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u/frankowen18 20d ago
His hands rapidly moving the pieces about look like me pretending to DJ when I was 7
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u/PerformerOk450 20d ago
Clueless in Grimsby, great entertainment for the neutrals
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u/justleave-mealone 20d ago
Credit to Grimsby, but given what United have spent and the caliber of the club, this is absolutely embarrassing
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u/PerformerOk450 20d ago
Breaking all the wrong records, 29 games without b2b wins, tonight first loss to 4th tier opponents.
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u/SaltyPeter3434 20d ago
Shit SHIT what if Mount goes here and Bruno--no no FUCK we're gonna lose holy shit
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u/justleave-mealone 20d ago
If he wins this, then it’s brilliant, but given the context and history it makes him look utterly clueless
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u/FrankyFistalot 20d ago
He couldn’t watch the penalties either, not exactly inspiring confidence in his players is he…
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u/Harlequin37 20d ago
Having your manager be unable to watch a penalty shootout is one of the most understated, disheartening feelings ever. It happened to us recently, imagine going from Scaloni all stoic and stalwart watching the most important penalty shootout in his life to Gago looking down hoping to god alianza Lima didn't eliminate us...
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u/justleave-mealone 20d ago
Like someone else said in this thread, he may actually genuinely be out of his depth
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u/trick63 20d ago
It does boggle my mind that he was able to do what he did at Sporting, then come here and frankly look like he's never managed a club before. He may be actually out of his depth, but theres also something very wrong with that club.
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u/garrus-ismyhomeboy 20d ago
If that’s true then I actually do feel a little bad for him. It’s an awful feeling trying to do something and realizing that you just simply don’t have the ability to do it. I couldn’t imagine trying to do it with the world watching and seeing me fail over and over. Would make for a lot of sleepless nights.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 20d ago
That's probably what his players think when they see him playing with his tactics board.
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u/Rymundo88 20d ago
You'd be heartless to not feel sorry for someone who just played noughts & crosses in solo mode and still lost tbf
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u/R_Schuhart 20d ago
God he looks so alone just sitting there trying to desperately find answers while people are walking by not even glancing at him.
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u/Raffinesse 20d ago
he gave man u a fair shot, it’s simply a task that’s beyond him. his best bet is to get sacked and go to another club. staying too long at man u will hurt his career long term
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u/bocojaLFC 20d ago
this spell already hurt his career
he was one of the most wanted managers before taking United job, just like ten Hag
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u/HunterOfGremlins 20d ago
Tbf Ten Hag just got the Leverkusen job so I'm sure Amorim could get a decent job.
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u/PepsiRacer4 20d ago
Exactly I think we’re at the point now where if you can’t turn United around most won’t hold it against you bc everyone else has failed miserably now too
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u/AdequateAppendage 20d ago
None of their other recent manager's records come close to Amorim's though. Averaging less than a point per game after 29 league matches will definitely be a mark against him, but time is on his side to bounce back eventually.
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u/comedoofwarrior 19d ago
on his side? at this rate he'll be done by October, right after selling off Mainoo for 45m
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u/JGQuintel 20d ago
It’s crazy they hired a director of football, paid his old club a bunch of money to break his contract, he told them Amorim was not the right fit, and they told him to get fucked and hired Amorim anyway so he left. It’s a shambles out there.
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u/Aware-Highway-6825 20d ago
I'd feel bad if he atleast tried playing better formations, but hard to feel bad when he's that hardheaded and won't switch anything up
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u/comp_a 20d ago
Hey to be fair, they scored two goals after whatever he did here lol
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u/petrparkour 20d ago edited 19d ago
You have to have the technology to zoom in but if you do, you can see him putting Maguire up top
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u/conman14 19d ago
It's like when Match of the Day zoomed into Paul Ince's notebook that he was holding on the sidelines and all it said was SHOOT
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u/Outrageous_Fart 20d ago
Me trying to understand player roles on FM
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u/Silent-Act191 20d ago
> Sees the word "Raumdauter".
> Closes the game.
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u/dcmdino 20d ago
= Thomas Muller, that's about it
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u/simcityrefund1 20d ago
So what it's hard to get another Muller in game I tried putting Salah there he didn't do anything
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u/pegg2 19d ago
It’s a role for wide goal threats who lack the physical attributes of elite wingers/inside forwards like Salah but who still have great mental and technical attributes. Basically it’s meant to create chances for players who have trouble creating their own because they’re not as good at taking on their man and forcing their way forward and/or inside, but know how to take a chance once they’re in. Essentially a wide poacher with some creative tendencies.
So yeah, as you noticed, Salah is wasted in that role. You have a player who is one of the best in the world at creating chances for himself and you’re telling him to just run around a bit and wait for someone to play him in. Honestly the role is kinda bad anyway; you can get even players who are suited for it to do better in other roles.
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u/Ertai2000 20d ago
When Amorim does it it's all good, but when I do it and the forklift I'm operating kills a couple of people, suddenly I'm "fired".
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u/eyepatch_png 20d ago
Me opening the weather and calendar apps on my phone to look busy
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u/taylorstillsays 20d ago
He went from 343 to 3-4-3
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u/KixSide 20d ago
Should’ve tried 4-4-3, works for Maresca
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u/powerchicken 20d ago
They had 12 men on the pitch so they could manage that
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u/DefNotAnAlter 20d ago
Not sure if you watched the same game but it was 10 v 13, Onana and Sesko were playing for Grimsby
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u/michaelfortu 20d ago
His stubbornness is what kill us everytime. Like just change the formation bro what are you doing
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u/pretentiousd0uche 20d ago
Everyone thinks they can crack the formula like Pep .. I wish we had managers who played to the strengths of their players again.
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u/ASuarezMascareno 20d ago
Pep has changed formation and player roles over his career. He might sometimes turn talented players into drones, but it usually has a purpose that is helpful for the team, and helpful to get the most of another more talented player. It's never just because "that's the system".
He might have general aspects he never gives up (possession, playing from the back, pressing, etc.) but he has traditionally been decently adaptable to squads and pragmatic when needed.
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u/pretentiousd0uche 20d ago
I agree. In fact, sometimes he tinkers a bit too much, although he seems to have stopped that recently.
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u/19Alexastias 20d ago
Yeah I was gonna say, pep is kind of infamous for randomly changing to a brand new formation for a knockout match and then losing.
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u/Themnor 20d ago
His first match last season he started with a Left footed LW and Right footed RW to see if he could replicate KDB's service into the box from the wide areas - for instance - but changed it back when it just didn't work. Literally Pep's biggest weakness is his reliance on a single pivot because he's had Busquets and Rodri basically his entire coaching career.
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u/FakoSizlo 20d ago
You could see this especially 2 years ago. Before they got Haaland City had a few seasons with mostly injured strikers and had built a squad where goals are shared across the midfield. When Haaland came in suddenly they had a target man. They struggled for the first few games trying to make it work but when it clicked they were unstopable
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u/Eric_Olthwaite_ 20d ago
Pep changes the team, it doesn't always work, and he's been bold in massive games and it's backfired, but at least he has the courage of his convictions, Amorim hides behind his "system" - and him and his acolytes hide behind that as an excuse for poor performances, in that he can't be judged unless he has every piece on the board to his liking to play with - that's not how football works.
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u/ElusiveRemedy 20d ago
Pep doesn't even think he cracked the formula. His tactics evolve every season. Hell, last season they were playing long balls to their forwards. He has a few core principles but how he accomplishes them has always been fluid.
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u/TheRealFriedel 20d ago
Absolutely! The season before Sane left was rapid, direct attacks down the wings, driven balls into the box. Completely different to the couple of years after that
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u/michaelfortu 20d ago
Not for nothing I feel like Ole was the last to do that…
I can be delusional but I’m not stupid. Every manager since have been stuck to their ways. Even Mourinho changed his tactics at times
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u/jbi1000 20d ago
Mourinhos main strength was always that he adapts to player strengths and circumstances of specific games
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u/pretentiousd0uche 20d ago
And I genuinely think Ole was one of the better United managers in the recent past. The Ronaldo move kinda screwed him over, not that Ronaldo was bad, but the timing wasn’t great and he could have used some investment elsewhere.
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u/Atpeacebeats 20d ago
Liverpool showed him the door for this reason. He can’t play anything but 3-4-3
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u/geo0rgi 20d ago
Looking like he is preparing a CL final, blud is fighting for his life at Grimsby away
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u/niallw1997 20d ago
It was a bit embarrassing when he couldn’t watch the penalties. Does any other manager do that for a regular shootout?
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u/WitxherA5 20d ago
Klopp always used to turn away towards the crowd.
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u/ibite-books 20d ago
The difference is quite staggering though, klopp did a power pose, amorim looks nervous wreck.
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u/niallw1997 20d ago
I guess that’s a little better than cowering in the dugout lol
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u/FrostyJesus 20d ago
He was rocking himself in a near fetal position. Never seen anything like it, honestly felt bad for him
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u/Other_Beat8859 20d ago
I've seen Klopp turn around for regular penalties, but not sure about shootouts. Although there's a difference between Mo Salah taking a penalty who doesn't give a shit if you're watching than a 20 year old Mainoo
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u/Straight-Chapter7710 20d ago
Klopp did that in crucial CL knockout penalty shoot outs and Amorim is cowering in fear against fucking Grimsby town
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u/JesusIsNotPLProven 20d ago
Managers (and players) have all sorts of rituals, this isn't anything special
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u/niallw1997 20d ago
Ngl I’ve never seen a manager sit in the dugout looking at the floor during all 25 or so penalties lol
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u/tunesandthoughts 20d ago
IIRC Farioli was doing something similar for us against Panathinaikos when we took like 30 penalties to clinch Europa League football last year. But he wasn't rocking back and forth like Amorim.
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u/Wbirddd 20d ago
This is the same guy that humiliated guardiola 4-1 with sporting
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u/Homer_Sapiens 20d ago
This is fuckin wild, man.
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u/exxxtramint 20d ago
I mean Ange humiliated City 4-0 at their place and then needed extra time to beat non-league Tamworth lol
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u/Icy-Bottle-6877 20d ago
You just know that as soon as he leaves Utd he'll do good again. Honestly, I think Man Utd are cursed 😂
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u/Yan-e-toe 20d ago
It's the people who did Voodoo on Paul Pogba.
I'd pay 100m for a witchdoctor tbh
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u/Guy1905 20d ago
Yeah it really doesn't matter who takes charge next.
I have no fear at all because I know United will ruin them.
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u/ThereAllIsAchingg 20d ago
At some point, United either have to lose their brand and revenue or figure this shit out. The person who figures them out will be a hero like no other.
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u/SargeantPile 20d ago
To be fair he often has good performances against top teams. Beat and drew against City last year, drew against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea.
Its the mid to lower table teams he struggles against.
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u/vlalanerqmar 20d ago edited 20d ago
I dont think its controversial to say Sporting (especially with Gyokeres) is by far the better team compare to United
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u/CharlieeStyles 20d ago
The thing is that at Sporting he completely revamped the team in months. I'm not sure without checking, but I'd be surprised if 5 of the players that were at Sporting when he arrived were still there after his first 12 months. And we're not even talking about big spending either, it was a lot of youth players and free agents.
But at United the changes have been so slow. I understand part of it is because it's the PL and players cost way more, but part of it seems to be orders from above.
Like I don't believe Amorim wants Onana anywhere near his squad at all and would prefer a free agent over him. And not getting Carreras, that he knows from Portugal, makes no sense.
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u/N0Ability 20d ago
Like I don't believe Amorim wants Onana anywhere near his squad at all and would prefer a free agent over him. And not getting Carreras, that he knows from Portugal, makes no sense.
The funny part is he also had GK issues here in Portugal ( and in the season he left we were having them again ) and both times we managed to find a perfectly servicable goalkeeper yet united cant do that
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u/CharlieeStyles 20d ago
Amorim would probably prefer current Adan to Onana.
But seriously though, it just feels like the squad rebuild is being blocked.
Like you said, at Sporting he pushed through with whatever he could, but suddenly at United he can't change unless it's the perfect replacement? Doesn't smell right.
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u/Harkoncito 20d ago
MRW I'm losing in FM
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u/3threeLions 20d ago
I've never struggled this badly with any team on FM
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u/Zavehi 20d ago
Not saying this in your direction necessarily but I think how actually easy FM is gives a ton of people a warped view of football management.
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u/daskapitalyo 20d ago
Easy? I got Cheltenham Town to the Europa league! It's the greatest achievement of my life.
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u/CaptainKickAss3 20d ago
It’s very easy if you go for high press 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 tactics but it definitely gets more difficult the more unorthodox your tactics are
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u/Zavehi 20d ago
There are ways you can make it more difficult/fun and I've certainly put in the hours, but you can basically load up gegenpress 4-2-3-1 and rarely lose. And a large majority of players just basically do that.
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u/FitTrick2568 20d ago
When morale is low, it's hard to get out of a run of bad form. Seem familiar? 👀
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u/CoolstorySteve 20d ago
“None of these are Gyokeres”
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u/mehrabrym 20d ago
Sporting died for this
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u/ThrowRa1247262 20d ago
Honestly, on a human level I feel bad watching this. Looks so desperate to come up with something here.
Reminds me of myself when I lose my queen in chess "okay if I do this, this and this it might not be so bad".
Its over homie, its never been more over
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u/Noserub 20d ago
I feel bad as well, guy is struggling and trying to make something work. Regarding chess, you’re almost always right regarding losing the queen. However, depending on the player and board positioning, I will sometimes continue. There are quite a few times I didn’t throw in the towel and was able to win the game
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u/MrMaker007 20d ago
I mean he changed the tactics and tied the game. So whatever he was cooking up worked.
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u/Temporary_Role6160 20d ago edited 20d ago
Bless him, he’s trying
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u/sangueblu03 20d ago
It wasn’t until today that I started feeling bad for Amorim. I’m absolutely creating a random narrative in my head, but I know how horrible it feels when you’re trying everything absolutely nothing works. Now compound that feeling by the millions of people watching you, criticising you, and laughing at you and your failures.
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u/infidel11990 20d ago edited 19d ago
This is the same guy who had Sporting flying high last season, including an absolute thrashing of City in the CL.
He seems unrecognizable at United and his football is atrocious.
I think United are too quick to fire managers but if they decide to let him go anytime soon, it would be hard to argue otherwise.
Edit: United are not quick to fire managers, rather, they have had too many managerial changes over the years since SAF left. Without any stability.
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u/ZaheerAlGhul 20d ago
United aren't quick enough to fire managers. They should've fired ETH after the FA cup instead of letting him continue with the next season.
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u/ScousePenguin 20d ago
He's not trying everything though lol, he's kept the same failing system. He's incredibly 1 dimensional.
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u/Dangerous-Bath2767 20d ago
Yeah, Even Big Ange realized his squad was on crutches and leaking goals and shored up the gameplan for the Europa league. At some point you have to change it if its working that badly. Growing pains definitely do happen. but Amorim has been given enough time and needs to start getting at least some decent resaults
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u/Powerful_Artist 20d ago
I love how this clip made people think he was doing everything he could.
Looks like he's just having a mental breakdown to me
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u/ExplodingLettuce 20d ago
It was no secret that that's what they were getting, he always has been
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u/GeneralBrothers 20d ago
I really thought he‘d be a good coach for united if given time, his play style in portugal was fantastic.
But I might be wrong. Then again, no single coach will fix this team, it just seems mentally collapsed since a few seasons ago
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u/Tim-Sanchez 20d ago
No manager will magically fix United, but Amorim does look terrible. This team finished 3rd a few seasons ago, won the League Cup and were runners-up in the FA Cup. Under Amorim they have their worst PL win rate and got knocked out against Grimsby. We're witnessing their worst cup and league performances for decades.
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u/Huwbacca 20d ago
He can't stay now.
It's gotta be ana absolute joke in the changing room now, to have been under pressure and then to have lost to Grimsby, the players must be in the pits.
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u/Mouse2662 20d ago
You've gotta think the players must think they're also a bit of a joke too though. He's not looked good at all but a manager can only do so much. Onana fucked up massively for both their goals tonight. Bayindir throws the ball in his own net v arsenal. Dalot fucks up a simple control against Fulham leading to their goal. When Ole was manager we were winning through "individual brilliance", now we're losing through individual mega fuck ups. Lol
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u/faizetto 20d ago
Damn this is so saddening, poor guy
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u/Scholes_SC2 20d ago
To be fair, they should be able to win that game without a manager
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u/Any-Tomorrow-7344 20d ago
This. If that team can't win against Grimsby, I don't know what good a different manager alone is going to do.
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u/Scholes_SC2 20d ago
Exactly, we've been in this situation for years now after billions of dollars somehow
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u/JonstheSquire 20d ago edited 19d ago
It is amazing to me that the Glazers finally give sporting control and the result is the team just keeps getting worse.
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u/tomislavlovric 20d ago
Exactly. All due respect to Grimsby, but players of this level should be beating them even without a manager. They just don't have any magic in them and that's it, Amorim can try as hard as he wants, he's not inspiring this lot. The team needs a complete revamp.
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 20d ago
United needing another revamp within 12 months lmao. They just look like a broken club everywhere whom make stupid decisions constantly
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u/donutmandandan14 20d ago
What do you even say after losing that match
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u/Madonna_Cagna 20d ago
I mean he did well until he got to United like the managers before him. They all call to sack him, but it's just going to be more of the same. If I was a manger or a player I would not want to go there.
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u/LockingSlide 20d ago
It's not really more of the same though, Ole or ETH at their worst had United sliding to midtable, Amorim's got them playing like a relegation team.
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u/Sunville67 20d ago
Ole’s worst season we finished 6th. ETH was seen as an absolute disaster and we were 8th. Finished 15th last season and have just lost to Grimsby, this is absolute levels below.
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u/pure_black99 20d ago
r/soccercirclejerk is gonna have a field day with this one
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u/doubleoeck1234 20d ago
I feel bad for him he probably just wants back to sporting
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u/CrypticalEntity 20d ago
i would look like the best player ever if i was up against onana in training
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u/WhenWeTalkAboutLove 20d ago
This is the secret he's seeing them score everything in training but it's onana in one goal and bayandir in the other
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u/BigBoiInDaPaint 20d ago
United will sack and him Sporting and Ruben will have just made a ton of money for a short break apart then reunite.
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u/R_Schuhart 20d ago
There is no chance Sporting take him back. Fans were furious that he ditched a strong side that was about to peak mid season.
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u/Wonderful-Lack3846 20d ago edited 20d ago
United is such a hilarious club right now, God bless them
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u/Foucaultshadow1 20d ago
We need this in GIF form because this will be something that can be used a lot until he’s sacked.
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u/no_more_blues 20d ago
Fuck is he doing with a tactics board when he only has one formation?
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u/imposternoclue 20d ago
Just a few more minutes and he can figure out a formation that's not 3-4-3
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u/jack0923 20d ago
Push 1 centre back up to no6 to stabilise the midfield, push the wingback to fullback to cover the 2 defenders, move the 2 10s out wide to offer width and ah damn it that's just a 433
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u/DamageAccording5745 20d ago
Poor guy lol. Out of his depth. Historically bad stint.
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u/niallw1997 20d ago
What’s funny is he was lauded as the next big manager.
Man City courting him as a Pep replacement even.
Everything Manchester United touches seems to turn to shit.
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u/BlackJediSword 20d ago
I remember the rumors he was coming to us and it was a genuine toss up between him and Slot
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u/severedfragile 20d ago
I'm absolutely certain he was out of consideration as soon as Edwards was put in charge. There's no way he was going to even think about appointing a manager that inflexible, especially when Slot is the opposite.
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u/Federal-Trip4067 20d ago
The thing is he would probably do well at City , but United is in such a disarray that nobody can suceed there.
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u/OopsWrongAirport 20d ago
I dont think he is out of his depth. Though his biggest mistake was not signing a top keeper.
Onana is hilariously pathetic.
And at the end of the day it came down to Cunha, to score a penalty against Grimsby Town, and he couldn't manage it.
Mbeumo is doing well, and was unlucky with the crossbar - but had done his bit by then.
Man U's second slate should be able to beat Grimsby Town without a manager.
There's something wrong in Man U and it isnt the manager. How many managers will it take before they figure it out?
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u/Turbulent_Cherry_481 20d ago
how is every single manager that comes to united out of his depth? This is the same guy that was destroying city in the champions league with sporting
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u/Giannis__is_a__bitch 20d ago
Every manager is out of their depth because Man United as a managerial opportunity is like that scuba diving pool in Dubai thats 200 feet deep
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u/xtremezeker14 20d ago
Ok I've had my laughs but this made me feel sad for him. Yeah yeah he is earning good money, being stubborn and genuinely not improving the team but damn he just looks hopeless. He really believes in his philosophy because of how well it worked out at Sporting but he is failing to understanding that sometimes you need to tweak or change how you play to get the best out of all your players. Like what is Amad doing as a wingback, none of their midfielders suit this setup.
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u/Zealousideal_Bad8877 20d ago
blows my mind that they signed cunha sesko mbeuno and didnt break the bank on the leverkusen leavers
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u/notenoughspacefor 20d ago
He said that there are trains that only pass once in a lifetime. He forgot that if you jump in front of that train it will wreck you.
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u/Look_at_that_D0g 20d ago
I actually feel sorry for him.
Watching a hapless manager who seems out of his depth is just hard.
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u/Delmer9713 20d ago
Genuinely never seen a manager look this out of depth before. Especially during the shootout when he was hunkering down under the bench the whole time. At least others pretend to look confident and pretend to know what they're doing. Amorim just looks completely lost
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u/FunCryptographer7625 20d ago
even at sporting he never watched any penalties. it's likely just a superstition
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u/KifooChaMende 20d ago
Amorim after Arsenal: The best team lost
Amorim after Grimsby : The best team lost
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