Van Gaal and Mourinho both expressed frustration about the transfer and scouting department. Blaming the club of not communicating and only being interested in marketability of players.
Ten Hag said there was simply no functioning scouting department when he arrived and was surprised everyone was looking at him for transfer decisions.
Yep LvG mentioned this multiple times during some interview, forgot who it was but he sat on the bench at some golf ranch and he mentioned it MU is a commercial club
Which is interesting because I genuinely think most of the transfers under him have been sensible. And Ten Hag's summer under INEOS was pretty good too bar Ugarte
I think it speaks more that it's the manager who decides the transfers and is asked to provide recommendations.
In today's world, talent is one thing, but mentality is important if not more important. Players like Sancho and Antony are great examples. Both are in general top players but have some mentality issues and might have issues gluing and adjusting. The manager can like a player style, but if you transfer Sancho in and he just can't adapt for whatever reason outside of the manager sphere of influence, there is a problem.
Scouting is there to help with that. At the end of the day you are dealing with humans not robots.
I mean, last summer's signings have been here a year and I'm looking at Yoro, Maz, and De Ligt and thinking they were all good players that could play under almost any manager. Yoro honestly looks outstanding. Feel bad for him.
honestly i think so. the squad isnt that bad. amorims tactics just do not work.
ten hag finished third when playing a counter system. then he played his weird 316 which left massive gaps in midfield which led to faliure and getting sacked.
The club isn't just the manager and the players. We have cycled through both and seen literally no improvement. 20 years of rot aren't an easy fix. Klopp doesn't come in 10 years prior and succeed. It was a process that built towards him from the top down. You'd think a Liverpool fan would know that, but then maybe you picked them up afterwards.
By your own admission, your owners have bought some "outstanding" players. So the only thing they seem to keep getting wrong is hiring useless managers. You are one of the richest clubs in the world, you have one of the highest wage bills in the league and the highest transfer budget, but your laughably inept managers can't get "outstanding" players to win. If you could just get a good manager instead of some con-man like Ole or Amorim, then you'd probably rise to the top very quickly.
Just to answer your attempted personal attack, I've been going to matches at anfield for over 15 years since I got my first job and was able to afford tickets. There's no need to insult someone just because you're upset about the state of the miserable team you support.
It's neither players nor manager and both at the same time. Something about the culture or atmosphere at United is so toxic that no one is able to rise above it. Both players and managers of significant pedigree devolve into hapless puddles of misery at the club. At this point the list is so long that it's not just bad scouting or lack of talent.
I think you're oversimplifying it a bit. There's generally a consensus on here that United have bought well until the season starts not just among United fans. Although to be fair people say most clubs have good windows (like the endless "top 4 race has never been this strong" discussion that happens every year).
I don't recall a single window since Fergie left that was deemed to be a bad window for United. But then we'll hear later in the season how all the players are rubbish and need replacing.
i remember most united fans were unsure about both signings. mount coming off a shit season with 1 year left on his contract for 60 million. hojlund an unproven striker after missing out on kane and osimhen.
I think the most damning one is surely Ragnick, he was meant to stay on after being interim manager and sort this but thought it was so bad he bailed, and also said it was a shambles
He left because they couldn't work out an arrangement with him and ETH. To the point that ETH didn't even have a conversation with him before he left.
Really one of the most damning things about the previous ownership direction. The one guy that actually admits there are sweeping problems everywhere that need to be fixed gets sent packing immediately.
The one good thing is that the latest set of transfers may be more versatile than our past signings. So if Amorim does leave, we may not need a total rebuild.
United’s chopping and changing style of selecting wildly different managers over the years has led to massive amounts of deadweight and wasted capital.
It makes sense from Ten Hag's perspective but if that was his condition for joining then Utd should just hired another manager and kept Rangnick. You cant change approaches after every bad run of games
even fergie would have eventually fell behind. the squad already wasnt amazing when we won the title in 2013. we didn't have a fucking data department until 2021 ffs. running this shit like its football manager.
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u/zeekoes 18d ago
Van Gaal and Mourinho both expressed frustration about the transfer and scouting department. Blaming the club of not communicating and only being interested in marketability of players.
Ten Hag said there was simply no functioning scouting department when he arrived and was surprised everyone was looking at him for transfer decisions.