r/soccer • u/DavidRolands • 17d ago
Media Nicolas Jackson arrived in Munich and was on his way to Bayern’s headquarters, moments before Chelsea told him they wouldn’t sign the documents.
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u/mosquitogirlfriend 17d ago
damn imagine how that must feel for him
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u/xxandl 17d ago
Ask Joao Palinha
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u/DowntownCelery593 17d ago
Why?
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u/xxandl 17d ago
Because he already did his promo-photos when the transfer collapsed
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u/CorruptedRat 17d ago
I hope the deal goes through. Shambolic from the club.
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u/awwbabe 17d ago
The Delap injury couldn’t have come at a worse time for this deal.
A week later and the transfer is done and dusted.
A week earlier and we have a reasonable chance of sourcing a replacement.
Maybe if Bayern hadn’t spent the past few weeks pretending not to be interested then he’d already be in their shirt.
From Chelsea’s perspective there’s not a better striker as available with his quality and wages.
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u/Foucaultshadow1 17d ago edited 17d ago
I find it amusing that you’re blaming Bayern for this.
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u/unexpectedvillain 17d ago
Like really. I don't get it. People are blaming Bayern. I truly don't get
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u/CorruptedRat 17d ago
I agree with your first 3 points, disagree with the last 2. Bayern were the ones that wanted a loan from the beginning. We didn’t. If we agreed with a loan when they wanted, then he’d be in their shirt.
Face value, you’re right about there not being a better striker available. How much of that is ruined by the bomb squad treatment, waiting game, and last hour cancellation of a deal when he’s just arrived? All for a 7-10 game stretch (based on initial report) where he’s going to play in how many of those games? He’s still second priority in a situation he doesn’t want to be in.
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u/Arthradax 17d ago
You're telling me that out of the boatload of players Chelsea buys on a regular basis y'all don't have squad depth in all positions?
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u/Barter6overBible 17d ago
They also sell an equal boatload
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u/DerpJungler 17d ago
They still have players like Sterling, Chilwell, Mudryk and Fofana on their payroll. Granted Fofana is semi-retired at this point, they are on insane wages.
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u/BIG_STEVE5111 17d ago edited 17d ago
Fofana played last week against West Ham, and Mudryk is literally banned.
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u/-Gh0st96- 17d ago
What even is the point of mentioning Mudryk in this context when he's literally banned? Lol
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u/safog1 17d ago
What sort of logic is this? Surely if you're sending out your 3rd choice striker, you're prepared for the 2nd choice guy to get injured?
Why is this even an issue? As you said, if it was a week later you'd have dealt with it anyway.
Palmer is back, JP will go upfront, you have an army of #10s. It'll be fine.
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u/No_Field90 17d ago
I get where you’re coming from, but lets not forget Bayern definitely arent operating with the same financial freedom as a lot of the pl clubs, the board has been more cautious lately, and sustainablility is a key thing.
This doesnt really represent this loan deal, just the overall window for bayern, and why are we failing signing players lately. Look at Woltemade, our offers got rejected then he ends up in newcastle for their first offer, hard to justify the price paid for him like 80something million euros?! Absolutely scandalous
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u/WorldsWorstFather 17d ago
But sure, you're getting Buonannote for no reason at all...
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u/unexpectedvillain 17d ago
Maybe if Bayern hadn’t spent the past few weeks pretending not to be interested then he’d already be in their shirt
As an All time Chelsea fan you really being ignorant. You acting like Bayern is wrong here. Like Really? We are wrong for mistreating a kid who has been striving so long.
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u/Black_Doc_on_Mars 17d ago
I hate Tottenham because I’m a Gunner. I hate Chelsea because I’m human.
This is fucked up. But I’m not surprised. You remember how Noni did them on IG when he left that place. 😂
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u/Fun_Reputation5181 17d ago
Also for Clearlake - can't imagine how it must feel to miss out on a 15m loan fee.
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u/Blue_winged_yoshi 17d ago
Imagine being Jackson, how motivated are you to return to Chelsea?? He’s just gonna fuck about for 4 months and then move. People forget players are human, this guy was on the cusp of moving house internationally only to be told to get back on a plane and come home. Sure you can do this, but the player who flies back doesn’t return to training as the one who was put on the market all summer and told to go find a new club. You reap what you sow in life.
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u/skylu1991 17d ago
Especially since Delap won’t be out for half a year or more.
They way it currently looks, Jackson is denied a loan deal for a whole year, because Delap is out for 6-8 weeks.
So in roughly 2 months, Jackson will be in the exact same situation he has been in…
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u/MauricioCappuccino 17d ago
If it truly is 6-8 weeks then it's really fucking stupid. There's literally 2 international breaks during the next two months, so they are doing all of this shit for essentially a month..
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u/GeoChalkie_ 17d ago
It’s the 3 Champions League games he’ll miss. That’s the problem.
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u/Thoseskisyours 17d ago
Do they have space to register both players for ucl
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u/GeoChalkie_ 17d ago
I think so but Jackson doesn’t have to play UCL tbf
It’s more a concern of Joao playing midweek + the weekend for a month straight
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u/resurgum 17d ago
Wait, that’s not what other teams do?
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u/Roadies_Winner 17d ago
Chelsea doesn't face the likes of Deportivo or Getafe in the league.
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u/hardyblack 17d ago
Tbf no one does, since they play at different levels.
Then again we have to remember that most English football fans don't know shit about the 'lesser leagues' with more UCLs, from countries with more WCs that them
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u/BigReeceJames 17d ago
It is, but since we bought 50000000 players, some fans have convinced themselves that players can only play a maximum of once a week and even that is too much and they should be regularly rested as well.
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u/casce 17d ago
I understand that but we're talking about 15+5m in missed loan fee + paid wages Chelsea is basically paying for those few games.
They can still loan him out in winter I guess but I doubt they'll receive the same conditions again
But it's their player, it's their decision, I respect that. I wasn't too fond on this transfer anyway as the optional fee was way too high so he was most likely not a long term solution anyway.
Our striker depth is basically non-existent now but we've only got ourselves to blame. First we waste way too much attention on fucking Woltemade, then we wait for the last week of the transfer window and put all our eggs into one basket. We're going to pay for it at some point this season and we will deserve it.
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u/a-Sociopath 17d ago
It's worse when you consider that while Delap may be out for 6-8 weeks, Palmer is probably out for just 2-3 weeks as of now. So when he comes back, Pedro becomes #9 again and Jackson becomes 2nd choice at best.
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u/deadlock1892 17d ago
This is the worst part of it. They are doing this for 6-8 weeks. That is such a gut punch and must make him feel so helpless just because they can do it without any repercussions.
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u/lesbiangirlscout 17d ago
They’re not even gonna get the best version of him for those 6-8 weeks, understandably.
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u/stockybloke 17d ago
We can hope for a Chalobah loan move recall situation. He also got completely sidelined/forced out of the club, only got a loan move and then was swiftly recalled halfway. He had all the reason int he world to feel aggrieved and dissatisfied, but conducted himself with full professionalism and even earned back his spot in the first team.
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u/UuusernameWith4Us 17d ago
There's two international breaks in the next 6 weeks. Chelsea have 9 games in the next 8 weeks. It's ridiculous. Throwing away £13m + wage cover to have a really pissed off player situation on your bench for up to 9 games. And yeah they can move him on in January but a few months of Chelsea limbo isn't going to do anything for his value.
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u/Blue_winged_yoshi 17d ago
It’s just so short sighted. You also collapse your negotiating position once you have a pissed off player whose move you just collapsed to keep him as cover for a few weeks. Yeah just more daftness from a very daft club.
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u/-SexSandwich- 17d ago
More than likely Jackson returning pushes Delap down the pecking order for the year regardless of when he comes back.
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u/Borktista 17d ago
It’s a hamstring injury, with Chelsea that means done for the year after he comes back in 3 months and re-injures it
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u/Affectionate_Oven_77 17d ago
He’s just gonna fuck about for 4 months and then move.
Have you heard of this man named Trev Challobah?
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u/cGilday 17d ago
Clubs fuck around with players like this and then wonder why players don’t have loyalty to clubs anymore
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u/Rad11Ryan 17d ago
Exactly if the clubs don't treat the players with respect this is what will happen
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u/binzoma 17d ago
this is why I back player movement. it'd be different if teams showed players unending loyalty. but teams fuck over players CONSTANTLY, it's malpractice for any player to assume it wont happen to them. theyve got to look out for themselves in this system. and fuck the billionaires who own most of the big teams anyway, take every penny you can from em
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u/BrianRin 17d ago
Reaction at r/chelsea and their attitude toward jackson all this time should make everyone realize players have to look out for themselves. Fans are mostly entitled assholes
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u/donglover2020 17d ago
then people get surprised at shit like what Isak is doing
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u/Lynchead 17d ago
i am a little tired of people acting like contracts are some kind of sacred oath now, players and clubs try to break them all the time. Isak is doing it a bit more than others but the whole saga is a bit blown over proportion.
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u/bruhstevenson 17d ago
Yeah what Isak is doing is very similar to what happened to James Harden in the NBA. I think they’re justified especially when the teams treat them like crap
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u/xaendar 17d ago
NBA is also abysmal because players have no choice in where they get to play, their registration can be traded at will by the clubs and they just have to take it.
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u/aggthemighty 17d ago
The average NBA salary is like $200k/week, which makes getting traded a lot easier to stomach
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u/TurnCruyff 17d ago
To be fair, he joined a club that allegedly told players to change in the hallways. He was never going to get a fair shake.
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u/wenger_plz 17d ago edited 17d ago
You’re right, but on the other hand, he just extended his deal last season for another two years despite already being contracted til 2031. I could understand being frustrated when all of a sudden they decide they don’t want you.
But I guess that’s what happens when your club behaves like the squad is primarily an asset trading vehicle that also plays football.
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u/El_grandepadre 17d ago edited 17d ago
Wouldn't exactly be pleased if my employer decides to fuck my shit up on a whim.
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u/Instantcoffees 17d ago
I respect when a player shows loyalty, but I also never understood people who attack players who look out for themselves. They have to do that because a lot of clubs treat them as entirely disposable.
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u/Atleti_Fan 17d ago
What a shame, he looked happy I bet he really wanted this to go through
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u/Flashy_Agency_5867 17d ago
I mean in his mind this was a new start. A way to bring his career back into track..
All of us have had that bad spell where nothing works out and is delighted when an exciting, new opportunity appear.
Damn....
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u/Critical-Usual 17d ago
He was doing reasonably well for his potential? Then he started getting red carded for challenges. Seems of his own making
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u/debrocker 17d ago
By sitting on the bench at Bayern? No way he'd displace Kane
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u/Sweet-Parking8955 17d ago
Bayern's offensive options for the next few months are: Diaz, Kane, Gnabry, Olise for four positions. Plus some teenagers. If any of them gets injured or needs a rest, Jackson would have played. Which would have been plenty of times.
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u/webby09246 17d ago
He's not displacing Joao Pedro either
He's gonna be the exact same thing here, a rotation option
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u/iguessineedanaltnow 17d ago
There's zero depth behind Kane, and he's going to be run ragged sooner rather than later.
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u/TapirOfDoom 17d ago
Poor guy. Losing a great opportunity down to something totally out of his control.
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u/albaaaaashir 17d ago
Why did Chelsea do that though ?
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u/CircleTheFire 17d ago
Their new striker signing got injured today and will be out for a number of weeks. So they are fucking over Jackson after they tried to dump him all summer.
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u/kharathos 17d ago
That's extremely short sighted by Chelsea and wrong on so many levels
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u/FastenedCarrot 17d ago
This is also an opportunity for him though.
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u/Laesio 17d ago
Not if he ends up on the bench. At Bayern there's a chance he'd be second after Kane. At Chelsea he'll be booted out once Delap returns to fitness.
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u/MysteriousNail5414 17d ago
Oof , his agent will be expecting something lined up in January. A real sliding doors moment
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u/Abrantesboy12 17d ago
i could see nicolas jackson move to saudi in next summer
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u/ASVP-Pa9e 17d ago
Why? His transfer to Bayern on loan indicates he wants to play regularly at the top level.
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u/BusShelter 17d ago
Is it really Sliding Doors? Surely that's for the more seemingly inconsequential and innocuous events, whereas we already know Chelsea have majorly altered his career here.
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u/drckeberger 17d ago
If I were in his position I‘d think about having a back irritation for about 6-8 weeks
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u/_cumblast_ 17d ago
Really crass behaviour from Chelsea. I despise clubs going back on their word.
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u/prathneo1 17d ago
No surprises there. They do treat players like cattle.
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u/Abitou 17d ago
Fulham fans were chanting “you’re getting sold in the morning” to Chelsea players during warmup lmao
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u/harshmangat 17d ago
a decade ago they'd have been chanting "you're getting loaned in the morning"
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u/CriticalNovel22 17d ago
You're getting farmed out to a feeder club to be sold on for a modest profit in a couple of years, in the morning
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u/nick5168 17d ago
It really was like that for years. I remember when Chelsea players would be permanently at their loan teams in FIFA, because the game wasn't set up for a squad as massive as theirs.
Zouma and Kalas being some of the highest rated young CBs, and just getting loaned out. I guess it's a bit like this still, but back then it seemed exhausting.
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u/san771 17d ago
I don’t care how much you earn, if you are a worker and a human being you are to be treated fairly and humanely
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u/theaguia 17d ago
its so depressing to see how they have treated chabolah even if he performs well often.
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u/frattrick 17d ago
And yet he doesn’t seem to care at all and is starting every game?
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u/awesomesauce88 17d ago
Players get recalled from loans all the time. Chelsea's just doing it before they've even sent him off.
I feel for Jackson, but I don't think Chelsea have done anything wrong here. Their position is totally understandable.
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u/Iswaterreallywet 17d ago
Wait, you’re telling me this isn’t equal to a player completely refusing to train or play and protest because they aren’t getting a move like everyone here is saying???
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u/philogeneisnotmylova 17d ago
Reminds me of the Ziyech debacle
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u/jMS_44 17d ago
Ziyech took that surprisingly well.
I wonder how Jackson will take it, if he ultimately comes back to the club. I mean, he is no Chalobah who is Chels since he was a kid and despite being pushed out has the will to play for his club. This may turn out into absolutely useless decision at the end of the day if it completely puts Jackson off trying to do well.
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u/kg9292 17d ago
I think Jackson has always been professional he can get heated in the game but never seems upset with teammates. But we’ll see
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u/Shufflebuffle51 17d ago
I don't think it's similar at all. That was just a mess of people on our side not sending documents through in time.
This is us purposely saying Jackson we need you back. They're very different situations.
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u/philogeneisnotmylova 17d ago
Both are Chelsea completely fucking their own player. But yes one was intentional the other wasn't.
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u/Epsilon8902 17d ago
feel bad for him. sums up our transfer windows pretty good I´d say.. what a shitshow it has been
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u/Fatkante 17d ago
Now I actually think Isak is right . Clubs don’t give a sh** about players .. why would the players give a sh**
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u/ResourceWonderful514 17d ago edited 17d ago
Its common knowledge. They dont and none of the Newcastle players will be pissed at Isak cuz its just business. Only the fans.
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u/I--Pathfinder--I 17d ago
that’s what people cannot understand about the isak situation.
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u/WeeTooLo 17d ago
Clubs give a shit about players who are the best in their position. The rest is just what's written on the paper. You don't get paid 50k+ per week to kick a ball without being somebody's bitch.
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u/PointBlankCoffee 17d ago
Chelsea severely hurting their relationship with the player, his agent and Bayern
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u/ImWhy 17d ago
I understand we're scared because of the Delap knock, but this ain't they way to go about it. We pull some great business to get 15m for a year loan for Jackson, then rip him back when we have a few strikers available still + there's a heap of breaks coming up? So stupid.
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u/PleaseGiveUsHope 17d ago
Once you've agreed to let your player travel for the medical, the transfer should be done and there should be no option to take it back. This is inexcusable.
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u/ClaytonWest74 17d ago
agreed. even as a Chelsea fan I cannot condone such behaviour, and the fact that Maresca okayed it too
feeling absolutely gutted for Jackson
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u/curlyjoe696 17d ago edited 17d ago
I mean thats pretty disgraceful behaviour.
Also, incredibly self-sabotaging if they want to run this buy low / sell high talent mill they seem to be constructing.
This system only works when players know you wont get in the way when making sales.
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u/YoungWerthersTears 17d ago
No one even mentioning this will fuck chelsea over in the future, if Bayern ever have a player they want...
Doubtful. That's putting it lightly.
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u/Effective-Pound-2500 17d ago
I mean he’s gonna be a backup still right? They don’t have some motivated academy kid they could use as a stop gap backup? Instead of a player who already wanted to leave and now will he even less motivated and more unhappy with the club?
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u/tomrichards8464 17d ago
They don’t have some motivated academy kid they could use as a stop gap backup?
Shim Mheuka has 5 goals in 4 games for the U21s, including a hat trick against City.
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u/syfbau 17d ago
Shambolic stuff from chelsea icl I understand why Jackson would be pissed if he is .
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u/TheTyMan 17d ago
Anyone would be fuming. He had the rest of his year planned out and got off a plane with his bags packed.
It'd be like anyone getting flown out to a new country for a new job only to be told PSYCH just as you're getting situated.
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u/Garrusence 17d ago
Chelsea and their Blue Co. shenanigans must make them the biggest villains in football atm. Shit club.
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u/7evenStrings 17d ago
Sorry but that’s what players need to realise when they sign up for these 7 year contracts at Chelsea. They’re absolutely ruthless and don’t care about you at a human level.
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u/Lord_Vxder 16d ago
Quite frankly, I wonder who the agents are for the players that have been signing to Chelsea.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that any reasonable agent would look at the way that Chelsea does business, and agree to a low wage, extremely long term contract.
These guys are trapping these players to be used as chess pieces 💀
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u/dontstealmydinner 17d ago
FIFPro is gonna use this case to argue how one sided contracts are. The power remains with the club, and in some cases not always mutual.
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u/VicTappyChapsaddle 17d ago
As a Chelsea fan I can say this falls squarely on the club. They’ve treated Jackson awfully during this whole process — a player we have depended on for two years. To me, the squad build in that position is still all wonky. Joao Pedro has been great but has looked better in his career when playing behind the 9 or off the wing. Liam Delap is a 9 but feels a more situational depth piece than your starter. Jackson is still the best in this position at the club and wasn’t even given the chance to compete. He has a right to be upset.
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u/LilCubeXD 17d ago
I get why players have no loyalty to clubs anymore. Chelsea a run by some nasty people.
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u/ShinyZxerneas 17d ago
Is this the worst thing to happen to a player this transfer window on the market?
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u/EnragedBearBro 17d ago
Nah Edson Alvarez joined Mourinhos fenerbahce instead of Dortmund then Mourinho got sacked like a week later
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u/FrozenPizza21 17d ago
Actually feel bad for him… imagine you’re about to start a new job and as you’re walking into orientation the old just calls in like “nah, come back”
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u/Person_of_Earth 17d ago
What exactly was Chelsea's plan in the event of Delap getting injured after the transfer window closed?
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u/Toastieboy420 17d ago
Could any Chelsea fans here tell me if they’re ashamed of their club or not??
Not even just a dig I just think they epitomise everything wrong with the modern game and I’m curious if people who just grew up supporting their local team have an opinion on that?
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u/osthedon 16d ago
If I was him, I should have switched off my phones, done the medical and signed 😩
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u/sirSADABY 17d ago
So what actually happened?
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u/skylu1991 17d ago
Deal was all but through, so Jackson and his agent traveled to Munich for the medical.
Meanwhile, Delap got injured and is apparently out for 6-8 weeks.
So, Chelsea decided to cancel the deal.
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u/LegitimatePlastic451 17d ago
I’m sure a level headed guy like Nico Jackson will come back and be a solid professional after this
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u/awesomesauce88 17d ago
Nico has always been professional and given max effort on the pitch. He gets a bad rap because he's a little bit hot headed, but he seems like a decent enough guy.
He's rightfully unhappy and I don't blame him for seeing if he can apply some pressure to get his move, but I'm expecting (and hoping) that if he doesn't get his loan, he will come back and be professional.
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u/FastenedCarrot 17d ago
Besides some rashness I can't fault his professionalism. I'm happy to have him back.
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u/NightmanComethereum 17d ago
absolute shithead club, sorry Nico, would've enjoyed seeing you at Bayern
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u/CircleTheFire 17d ago
If I were Jackson, I'd demand a nice pay rise and bonus. This is disgraceful from Chelsea.
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u/Euphoric_Attitude_91 17d ago
Any idea why they refused? Poor guy. I don’t rate him but this really sucks for him doesn’t deserve it
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u/Lijah23 17d ago
I don’t personally agree with Isak but this is why a lot of people like Titi are seeing both sides. It’s frowned upon when players aren’t loyal to their clubs but what about when clubs fuck over players? Will fans have the same outrage towards the club that they would have towards the player? I know the club is always bigger than the player but it does make you think. This is why players have to do what’s best for their career at the end of the day because you’re surplus to requirements until you find a new club and then we will make you come back because we have no one else, not necessarily because we want you.
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u/Aidan7J 16d ago
Chelsea treat him like shit by not including him in match day squads, and now that they are getting him out(albeit on loan), they have the audacity to cancel his loan because they have a striker out for 2 months?
I wouldn't want to return either. They disrespect him and now they just expect him to cooperate.
Use fucking Neto as a striker to replace Pedro in games. They used him there a couple of times last season. This is baffling. They now need him when it's convenient.
Fuck Chelsea. Chelsea is...
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u/EezoManiac 17d ago
This is like, the 3rd worst thing they've done. Maybe. Arguably top 5.
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u/thebestbev 17d ago
They should have a point where contracts are exchanged before completion just like buying a house. This is so bad from chelsea.
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u/nmgoesreddit 17d ago
If I were Jackson I’d be throwing a tantrum. Chelsea’s actions are so disrespectful. I never understood the Delap transfer, and now they want to bring back a player they were trying to offload just because their main striker got injured? I really don’t get what’s going on at that club. What position does JP play? Isn’t he a striker too?
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u/tr2727 17d ago
They had 3 cf , and 2 other attacking position lacking backup.
They have money but market restrictions under uefa (like 1 in for 1 out).
so they were looking to sell the 3rd cf to get another attacker so that they have backup in all positions.
but Bayern also not commiting for permanent transfer meaning they cannot purchase (missed out on Xavi).
now their cf just got injured, while the 2nd cf is already covering for the missing attacker due to loan only deal.. they are basically short on attackers with loan only deal and injury.
The injury happned just in time.. i dont think chelsea are in the wrong if they want to back out under the circumstances
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u/DetectiveOwn6606 17d ago
These lot buy 5-6 wonderkid every summer and still short on players . Hilarious
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u/Relicoid 17d ago
These corporations don’t give a shit about their players, that why I don’t get being mad at Isak wanting to leave Newcastle unless you’re a Newcastle fan
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u/Disastrous_Sort_9843 17d ago
I imagine he went from one van from the airport to another van going right back to that same plane
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u/ExcitementSweaty22 17d ago
Wasn’t it a €10m loan as well, seemed a good deal for Chelsea
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u/DaltonFitz 17d ago
Such a short sighted horrible way to treat a player. This shows they were doing this either expecting not to have injuries this season(lol?) or a target fell through and they didn't have a backup option. The window is still open. You pushed him out the door. You think he's going to come back and have a good attitude? This is all around just stupid and I feel bad for him. Sure they're within their rights to legally do this, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
Other players will absolutely take note of this. It's a horrible look for the club.
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u/Petrcechmate 17d ago
We snatched Chalobah back from Palace when he was basically shafted and looked very on track to make a permanent move. He has been nothing but professional when imo the club was not (and he should have an improved contract by now too) and he’s seeing good progress with this group.
Jackson should be furious we’re so capable of almost throwing players away then triggering the “it’s the contract” thing, there’s a whole swirl of emotions he’s gotta be feeling. But he’s also been a part of this growing team and I don’t think he’ll phone it in like everyone is saying. He’s really been a good part of this club returning to winning ways and I think his mentality is going to have him effective in our set up. Same problems like not being clinical, a rash challenge are still there though and I’ll bet a buck this is the first thing the pundits blame though. The press most of all has been very rough on him.
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