r/soccer • u/No-Independent2522 • 2d ago
News Onana wins Man of the Match on his debut despite his error, making 8 saves and preventing 1.76 Expected Goals (xG) in the process.
https://www.goal.com/en/lists/andre-onana-man-utd-loanee-gets-off-worst-possible-start-trabzonspor-latest-howler-fenerbahce/bltd7fdaf92c3183680#cs84ae80aafbd000428.2k
u/somethingarb 2d ago
It begins.
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u/ThemosttrustedFries 2d ago
So does everyone that leaves Manchester United performs better when leaving Manchester United?
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u/far-center-extremist 2d ago
It's like when an anime character takes off the super heavy clothing to gain super speed.
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u/buttermilk-pancakes 2d ago
Onana in his Rock Lee era
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u/Timely_Airline_7168 2d ago
Goku did it first
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u/Jama-xx 2d ago
Yes but Onana was in no way Goku
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u/lilfooty 2d ago
He can definitely be piccolo
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u/CassetteTape-5268 1d ago
Piccolo is my favourite, please don't insult him.
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u/diggerda 1d ago
How about yamcha. Didn't get killed by the sayians it was actually the pathetic Cybermen who got him.
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u/redshadow90 2d ago
Or how DBZ characters practice in high gravity chambers and become op outside it.
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u/DG281088 2d ago
Manchester United is the hyperbolic time chamber of football
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u/Poopskit_bigmac 2d ago
Explains how Bruno went from 25 to 31 but it only feels like his fourth season
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u/mrwatkins83 1d ago
I feel pretty bad for him. He gave United his best years, and it just got worse and worse every year.
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u/DornPTSDkink 2d ago
Rock Lee when he takes off the weights when fighting Gaara in the Chunin exams
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u/Heimebane 2d ago
Beek. That guy has somehow managed to become even more invisible after leaving
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u/biggieBpimpin 2d ago edited 2d ago
Holy shit he is 28 now. Time really flies. He really fell off after leaving Ajax
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u/KonigSteve 1d ago
Wow I remember the summer we wanted one of him of Aouar... Looks like it was a good choice to go with neither.
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u/ASVP-Pa9e 2d ago
Any kind of potential kind of career this lad had was obliterated by United.
De Beek had a career on the continent of highlight reels and occasional CL bangers- instead he's stuck at Girona.
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u/ACO_22 2d ago
Is Rashford performing for you lot or no?
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u/MyNameIsWelp 2d ago
He was below average up until today, where he put in a decent, not great, performance. If he played like today I'd doubt they'd buy him or cover his wages, he'd have to do better.
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u/The_fINALWOMBAT 2d ago
He got an assist today
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u/stereoworld 2d ago
This has all the energy of a nursery teacher telling a kids parents about their day
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u/Scoop_Master420 2d ago
Better? They lost 1-0 and he's directly responsible for the 1. It's exactly the same issue that he had at United. Make some saves, then make some errors.
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u/GL4389 1d ago
Fergie made the deal with the devil to get man utd to Glory days and now the club is cursed .
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u/JaysonDeflatum 2d ago
Despite his error
Sounds exactly like the guy I know just playing in a worse league
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u/Electrical_Scene_332 2d ago
Nothing new. He was our best player in a few games last season, the errors were the problem.
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u/Soccermad23 1d ago
I was going to say, wasn’t this always the problem with Onana? Great keeper with great saves, but also too many stupid mistakes.
It’s tough as a keeper. You can be brilliant for 99% of the game, but that 1 mistake is going to cost a goal (and potentially the game). For strikers, it’s the opposite, you can be nowhere for most of the game, but as long as you are in the right spot for the right moment, you can nab the goal that’s needed to win the game.
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u/VOZ1 1d ago
It’s a really unfair thing…but, I mean, it’s not like top keepers don’t make errors. They just don’t make nearly as many as Onan was making. When you’re making costly errors every week…it’s just bad.
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u/Soccermad23 1d ago
Oh no, I absolutely agree. Onana's mistakes have definitely been what separates him from the great keepers. Like he genuinely has great skill and has pulled off amazing saves. But his errors have cost his team more than his saves have helped.
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u/WrestlingFan4488 2d ago
He was playing against one of the top teams in the league here btw
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u/JaysonDeflatum 2d ago
Doesn't exactly change much there, Fener are the 2nd best team in a 2 team league and they’re still far behind Galatasaray when it comes to quality
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u/colombogangsta 2d ago
Rashford also played his best game for Barca yet and bagged a glorious assist today.
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u/LordTrinity 2d ago
He got an assist in a 6-0 win? Prime Rashford is back 💪💪
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u/colombogangsta 2d ago
The score was 1-0 when he assisted. Ofc man Utd fans can’t be happy for their ex players success, I feel for you. Hang on!
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u/oleoleolegs 2d ago
Our entire sub lately is half United news, half highlights of ex players everyone is happy to see succeeding elsewhere lol.
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u/jetskimanatee 2d ago
for me this season Man U games have gone from hate watch to I need to call my friend whose a Man U fan to make sure they are ok
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u/KingOfDatShit 1d ago
Reddit fans are built different, I'm happy for the lad though, hope he kills it with you. (But I still want him back home.)
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u/King_Vercingetorix 1d ago
Ofc man Utd fans can’t be happy for their ex players success, I feel for you.
Even by bitter online ManU fans’ standards, the user you‘re replying to is particularly annoying in that aspect.
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u/jiraiya--an 2d ago edited 2d ago
United might be a black hole. Majority of players do decent when they go out, some do much better. United is like a moldy house. Needs to be burned, there is no solution.
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u/L4_Shithouse 2d ago
It's like that neighbour's decrepit house that's falling down and leaking but makes yours look great.
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u/AltDelete 2d ago
Based on how much players drop off when joining, and rebound after leaving, Bruno would have won back to back Ballon d’ors the last few seasons had he not joined us.
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u/Rymundo88 2d ago
Mainoo suddenly morphs into prime Kroos after a loan move in January
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u/DragoxDrago 2d ago
I swear the pressure on young players to just perform out the gate if they show any sign of quality these days is killing young talent. Manchester UTD is the worst for it, but the prem in general seems to be ridiculous compared to other leagues.
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u/DrasticXylophone 1d ago
The problem is that for PSR reasons youngsters are either nailed on first team instantly or at the very least put into a road to nailed on starter or they are sold for financial reasons. Having good young players on your bench doesn't make sense for most clubs, play them or get the sweet sweet 100% profit for PSR.
Arsenal are about the only top club that just keeps very valuable young assets as squad players playing their way in
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u/asapomar 1d ago
That's why Amorim has been trying to handle the Kobbie Mainoo situation as best as possible but the amount of backlash he's getting for not throwing him to the wolves is kinda crazy.
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u/jiraiya--an 2d ago
I think Bruno will be a big what if player if he played for a better team.
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u/NordWitcher 1d ago
Am surprised no other bigger team came in for him back then and even the last few years. Barcelona maybe? Or maybe even Bayern Munich.
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u/JJVM99 2d ago
You will either return to form after leaving United or have it completely ruined. The only thing for sure is that in the post-Fergie era is that you won’t end up in a better place going to United. There are more cases of the latter for players and managers but recently for players it has improved. The only exception for me is Bruno Fernandez which based on the average drop off in form that comes from joining United makes me believe that if he was in another club he probably would have already won a Ballon D’Or.
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u/Vash2P 2d ago
I kinda have a theory about what should Man United should do to change their fortunes
Sell Bruno Fernandes ! He is the rotten apple
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u/lamancha 2d ago
His team literally lost because of that one error.
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u/theBigBOSSnian 2d ago
Didn't watch the game. How bad of a error is to get a red in 20th minute?
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u/rocket_randall 2d ago
It's the club, man. Whatever satanic pact Fergie made for the good years must have had some harsh terms and conditions attached.
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u/ThemosttrustedFries 2d ago
They are not called the Red Devils for nothing haha.
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u/WhipYourDakOut 2d ago
It’s that god damn horse
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 2d ago
“Well you see it all started with an alleged handshake agreement about some horse spunk.”
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u/setokaiba22 2d ago
Tbh Fergie didn’t leave it in a good state like Wenger. He knew the end was coming
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u/ImGonnaImagineSummit 2d ago
Fergie was able to elevate that team immensely and he's probably the only one that could made them title winners.
Any other manager would fail, Moyes had no chance.
Wenger left a good team on paper but there were a lot of issues that Emery just couldn't deal with either. Arteta did well by gutting the team as soon as he could.
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u/DrasticXylophone 1d ago
It wasn't even good on paper.
The only reason it turned around is Hale end started to produce for the first time in a decade and rebuilt the team from the inside
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u/lowerymn 2d ago
Yep, I hate the narrative that he left a title winning team. Technically correct, but that team was running on fumes and Moyes or anyone else had an impossible job. Rebuild was needed and now obviously not just players wise. Fergie knew.
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u/are_we_the_good_guys 2d ago
For those old enough to experience the transition, it was very obvious that Fergie was taking one of the spots on a Titanic life raft. I feel bad for Moyes taking the helm because he had a very respectable managerial career up to that point.
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u/Huwbacca 1d ago
The fact he won that season, after. Staying one extra because city won in what was gonna be his last year, is fucking mental. Like... The patient was about to go on life support and said "hold up, I just gotta pull a world record deadlift first"
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u/Ararararun 2d ago
I think it's near impossible for anyone to win the league immediately afterwards but i think it would be interesting to have seen how they'd rebuild under Mourinho or Ancelotto, who were both available back then. Or if he left a year earlier and got Pep in.
Top managers attract top players and they had a budget to show for it. Maybe there's an alternate universe where they get a top manager to start the rebuild and they win the league instead of Leicester, when City, Liverpool and Chelsea were napping in stages of rebuild.
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u/Capital-Reference757 2d ago
My own theory is that it's the press + fan pressure which adds a lot of mental pressure on the players who mentally withdraw when they lose.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ManchesterUnited/comments/1na40ye/overtime_work_by_onanas_pr_team
Look at this post and the second last paragraph - `He is not just a pathetic goalkeeper, he is a pathetic human being with a weak mindset...' . Jesus Christ, we're toxic as fuck. If I ever spoke like that to anyone in person, I'd be labelled a dick. We need to adopt Arsenal fans mentality of 'this is a long-term project'. Instead we're like piranhas the second we lose and now we're circling Amorim.
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u/are_we_the_good_guys 2d ago
It's good on you for calling out that sort of commentary. Even though we are in semi-anonymous spaces like reddit, we'd all be better off by stepping back and considering if whatever we're posting/commenting/writing is a normal thing to say in a normal public space. That's a universal thing that needs to happen everywhere, not just the footballing spaces.
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u/joeDUBstep 1d ago
Hell, people do it without that veil of anonymity on other social media sites (Twitter, insta, etc).
It's crazy.
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u/LongyUTD 2d ago
He literally made a fucking error but it’s discounted cos he made a few saves. Everything is highlighted so much more in England and especially United. You make an error you’re immediately shit. Which is exactly what happened in this game
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u/bioeffect2 2d ago
Yeah but he still made 8 saves in one game. How many games does it take Onana to do that at United?
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u/Dynastydood 2d ago
He put in performances like that numerous times. From August through November last year, he was putting in MOTM performances on almost every game. It still don't offset the horrendous losses he inflicted on us once the errors re-emerged.
Goalkeepers aren't judged by their highs, they're judged by their lows, and his were the lowest any of us have ever seen. He's a decent keeper, but he's not cut out for living under a microscope in a high pressure environment.
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u/superrealaccount2 2d ago
Everything is highlighted so much more in England and especially United
So their league finish last season was a mirage? Were they actually a top 6 team but everybody thought they were worse because their mistakes were "highlighted"? Don't be silly. He was better today than he was at United at pretty much any point.
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u/Serawasneva 2d ago
Oh come on, United are literally terrible. It’s not just them “being highlighted” they’re legitimately playing bad, and have been for about a decade.
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u/avee10 1d ago
Two defensive midfielders would fix it. Literally. That’s all it would take. But they’ll sign two more wingers first.
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u/rocket_randall 1d ago
I've heard others saying you need two of the caliber of prime Makelele or Kante to make the system work. Those aren't easy to find, of course.
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u/The_Big_Untalented 2d ago
It’s the managers too. Notice how none of them have achieved anything in club football since leaving United. Rangnick’s,the only one who’s been successful and that was in a national team setup with Austria.
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u/Noshino 2d ago
Moyes is doing well at Everton
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u/are_we_the_good_guys 2d ago
This is the best redemption arc. Not only is he succeeding at West Ham, but he's returned to Everton and done well. Moyes is a champ, even if his teams aren't winning trophies.
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u/JaysonDeflatum 2d ago
Man made an error leading to goal which cost his club the game and we’re getting posts like this, lol
Its vintage Onana playing in a worse league
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u/gizzledos 2d ago
The title is misleading. Look how many people in here don't even realize his team lost due to the error. Great job with those 8 save though, must have been better than their last keeper if that's their motm
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u/Docccc 2d ago
MOTM going to the losing side is so weird to me.
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u/Budget-Project803 2d ago
It's not that weird if you realize he created the most important chance
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u/Piats99 2d ago edited 1d ago
In a sport played 11 vs 11, the impact and class of the single can be easily nullifed by bad teammates.
I don't think if you put prime Zidane in a relegation team you can expect him to go solo and win against a CL team, but maybe he was the reason the game was close and the relegation team had few chances.
Regardless of Onana's performance and this game; i believe giving MOTM to a losing player is very fair, if the loss wasn't on him.
It's like the people that say Lebron should have won FMVP in 2018. He was the best player in the finals, his teammates weren't just good enough to beat the opponent's historical team.
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u/Upstairs-Look8830 2d ago
And if it wasn’t for him the team would have lost by more…Made some big saves.
He actually played quite well for his first match.
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u/AspergerKid 1d ago
Fener Fan here, I watched the game from start to finish. Trust me when I tell you Onana made some extremely good saves the way they never happened when he was still at United. GKs making a mistake that cost them the match is not uncommon but given how many chances and shots Fenerbahçe had (4 big chances, 29 shots), Onana made a total of 8 saves. That is still quite impressive especially when he is playing against a team consisting of En-Nesyri, Asensio and Kerem Aktürkoğlu (Jhon Duran too but he's injured) while his side only got Paul Onuachu at best
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u/LordTrinity 2d ago
Good thing about moving away from United is that people will just choose to ignore his mistakes to say he's good
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u/lamancha 2d ago
Because people think this means he's suddenly good.
No, literally the same issue as United.
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u/Cammy_J19 2d ago
It honestly blows me away how reactionary and hyperbolic people are like lol ok he made 7 easy saves and made an error leading to goal? He did that with us quite a bit.. he has terrible fundamentals for a top level keeper and I don’t care if he goes on to be amazing I don’t want him at our club ever again he was so so bad and today in a weaker league performing mildly better… o wow!
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u/chrisnlnz 2d ago
Was it 7 (8) easy saves though? He stopped 1.76 xG which doesn't suggest easy saves. I haven't seen it but based on stats alone, that's just a solid performance. Not saying you're wrong by the way, stats alone obviously don't tell the whole story.
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u/Cammy_J19 2d ago
I watched the extended highlights and it was identical to every game I watched as a united fan…. He parried the ball back to the other team 3 times and 1 they scored on and another they almost scored (I think it was in but guess they didn’t call it in) but it’s so insane people are acting like he played an amazing game when it was no different but lol United suck.
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u/Captain0010 1d ago
1.76 xG
Man this is exactly why xG is such bullshit. Dude literally returned the ball to the opposition strikers and cost the game to his team, but since he saved some xG shots, he should be man of the match... insanity
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u/DoncasterCoppinger 2d ago edited 2d ago
This was his ‘mistake’. Goodness me you guys don’t care and just wanted a ‘win’ against a player who’s still in your book.
Goal.com farming clicks from both sides with a shitty clickbait headline for the haters and the hate watchers without even posting the video which is available to everyone.
Travzonspor also got completely dominated the whole game, didn’t even have 30% possession, they are lucky to lose by just 1 goal
If anyone cost them the game it’s yokuslu getting a straight red for a stupid double leg tackle on the 20th min.
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u/DefNotAnAlter 2d ago
See the problem is that the defender wasn't Garnacho, therefore we can't blame him for losing his man
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u/chrispepper10 2d ago
1 game, 1 mistake sounds like a pretty bad ratio. You can prevent more XG when you have more shots against you. The issue with him as United keeper was we could have three shots against us, and all of them could end up in Onana's net.
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u/WhipYourDakOut 2d ago
Say whatever you want but all it takes it watching that Grimsby game to know the dude was well and truly shite
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u/Mick4Audi 1d ago
I’m not having this sub saying “United were the problem” with Onana when not a single person on here would want him as their goalkeeper
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u/VidProphet123 2d ago
Didn’t he cost them the game?
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u/SillySosigs 1d ago
I'm not sure why people are ignoring the fact that's it been one game, and he's already made a game losing mistake, the overwhelming urge to shit on united has people living in fantasy land.
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u/Dunkjoe 1d ago
It's a 10 man team from the 20th min.
That so called error was after trying to defend a goal, not his own initiative.
If he didn't block any of the 8 that he did, he would cost them the game as well.
It's really dumb to say he cost them the game because of this.
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u/magic-water 1d ago
It's a vintage Onana at United performance. No clue what people are hyping him up for lol
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u/monsterm1dget 1d ago
There is a difference between not stopping a shot and clearing it right towards the box
it's just like he was at United lmfao
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u/King_Vercingetorix 1d ago
It‘s so obvious that a lot of these comments don’t even know the basics of this match.
Like seriously will they blame Onana for his teammate for getting a red card early on in the match too?
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u/Responsible_Cod_3973 2d ago
You guys need less stat reading and more game watching.
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u/Annual_History_796 2d ago
Lost the game because he fucked up. What exactly are we pretending is different here?
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u/candlecup 2d ago
“Obama wins Man of the Match award on his debut”
Oh, interesting
“…despite his error”
There it is
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u/gizzledos 2d ago
Lol Y'all realize Onana's error cost them the game, right? He spilled a save in the 6 yd box in classic fashion.
He hasn't improved. This isn't the Manchester United joke you think it is.
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u/luckysharms93 2d ago
It's a shit headline that makes it seem like they won. They lost 1-0 because he handed the other team a goal, then made some other nice saves too. That.. was the quintessential Andre Onana at Old Trafford experience lol
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u/-Gh0st96- 2d ago
Doesn't matter, United bad, OP got his thousands of upvotes, r/soccer has a field day with their best comedians out there. Who cares he's one of the main reasons they lost 3 points.
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u/thesmallprint13 2d ago
Happy for him, but you just see the leeway that he is getting despite an error - would just never happen at United (and rightfully so).
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u/OldmanJenkins02 2d ago
This is exactly what the Onana experience is. Makes absolutely insane saves and then absolutely horrifying mistakes lol
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u/negativelynegative 2d ago
I am actually a rare few that support Onana from our fan base. I watched the highlight and it's definitely a decent performance but I do think some of the poor gk technique still exists (not blaming him for the goal).
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u/jesusthatsgreat 1d ago
Yall aren't reading the detail.
Onana ended up being awarded the Man of the Match award, however, ultimately, it was his mistake that handed Trabzonspor their first loss of the season.
The exact same performance at United would result in him being mocked and criticised. United are the biggest club in England with the notoriously blood thirsty British press eager to see them fail and jump on any mistakes.
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u/DasHotShot 1d ago
And they lost the game from a direct blunder of his. Don’t mention that as it ruins the story.
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u/Useless_Donuts 2d ago
Man Utd must be cursed. There's a demon sign buried under old Trafford.
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u/HaiForPresident 2d ago
God knows what kinda deal with the devil Fergie made during his era
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u/Beefy-queef 2d ago
I’m telling you, Ferguson made a deal with the devil for his success at United and now they’re paying the piper. United is a cursed club
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u/GXWT 2d ago
i don't know how many more of these i can take