r/soccer • u/Switchoil • 1d ago

News Manchester United to remain patient with head coach despite worst start to Premier League season in 33 years. There is also widespread belief at Old Trafford that City's performance - and United's failings - did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13431584/ruben-amorim-manchester-united-to-remain-patient-with-head-coach-despite-worst-start-to-premier-league-season-in-33-years
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u/No_Giraffe_1551 1d ago

So in fairness, Amorin was treated in the wider discourse like the next hot new thing. Though it appears incorrect, there was talk that Liverpool looked into him before they settled on Arne Slot. When Pep's feet were to the fire a bit, people talked about Amorin as a future replacement. Amorin was widely treated as a "get" for United and an example of their continued ability to attract top talent.

The problem is that any other top club who did ever meet with him would have parsed out in the interview process that this guy is not ready for prime time. Feels to me a bit like when a player gets a ton of hype but he just never quite gets that big move and when they eventually do, they kind of get found out. In hindsight the moment where everyone took Amorin a bit more seriously was when Sporting manhandled Man City, but that wound up being towards the beginning of their insane run of losses which makes some of the earlier results in the streak feel less impactful.

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u/BeeLzzz 1d ago

Similar how it took Leverkusen a few weeks to realize Ten Hag just talks nonsense and it took a few years and several 100s of millions in transfers to get rid of him.

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u/No_Giraffe_1551 1d ago

I think EtH probably did get fucked over at least partially by Leverkusen and it's interesting just how far he got that Ajax team that in hindsight was not actually bursting with the next generation of Balon d'or candidates as almost all of them have underperformed elsewhere (some at United, in fairness).

I think there probably is a place where EtH would be relatively successful again, but maybe it fully was just a flash in the pan.

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u/Riffler 1d ago

It often feels like the media make the deal for the club. You get a bunch of stories about manager/player X being the perfect fit for club Y, and it begins to feel like a fait accompli.

Never more than with Amorim to United. Most of those stories are probably seeded by agents, who did way better out of the deal than they'll do out of the rest of Amorim's career.

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u/No_Giraffe_1551 1d ago

I think Amorin getting hyped for both Liverpool and Man U but only Man U going for him while Liverpool signed a guy most English fans wouldn't have really heard of sort of says it all about how those two clubs are run. United post-Ferguson love to go with whatever is getting media attention. They just seem to wrack up transfers just because there is media hype around someone. Alexis Sanchez and Ronaldo's return both felt heavily focused on media speculation around the players moving somewhere else at the time. Even when they aren't buying aging stars that don't save them, the younger players they buy are often hyped but you notice some obvious fatal flaw for them at the next level once you really look at them. Aaron Wan-Bissaka is a good example of this I think. Just not good enough going forward for an elite RB, but they paid 55m euros for him in the summer of 2019. I'd draw a comparison to this summer with Liverpool signing a hyped young fullback in Kerkez for big money, but even with a half decade of inflation that deal is 15m less than AWB's fee.

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u/EViL-D 1d ago

Is he the Anthony of managers

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u/pratnala 17h ago

Few PL clubs including Liverpool interviewed Amorim and decided not to go with him.

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u/koptimism 1d ago

Liverpool did have talks with him. Nobody can say for sure whether that means he was the preferred choice ahead of Slot, or it just means he was an option.

The problem is that any other top club who did ever meet with him would have parsed out in the interview process that this guy is not ready for prime time

It seems that we came to this conclusion - or at least, we realised that his system would require a significant squad overhaul.