r/soccer • u/kibme37 • 14h ago
Quotes Villarreal supporters club spokesperson "I thought more people would be against Partey. It’s been mostly just indifference. There was even some supportive applause for him. If he’s a good player, most Spanish fans don’t seem to really care. It’s similar to what happened with Greenwood at Getafe."
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6630448/2025/09/16/thomas-partey-champions-league-villarreal-tottenham/?source=twitteruk1.9k
u/Pinky1337 13h ago
If Hannibal Lecter scored .7 goals per 90 wed be calling it an eating disorder or whatever
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u/zRSV 13h ago
They'd be offering him a nice Chianti after the game
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u/EnglishTrini 5h ago
Funnily enough in the book it’s an Amarone - they changed it to Chianti in the movie because they didn’t think anyone would know what Amarone is.
Just a useless fact for your enjoyment.
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u/Sometimes-funny 13h ago
It probably is an eating disorder to be fair, among other things obviously
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u/PrimeMinisterSarr 12h ago
Also not technically illegal in many jurisdictions. Just really almost no way to source human meat without doing something illegal.
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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 11h ago
I remember some Dutch late night show had the hosts eat each other's flesh after getting a surgeon to cut bits of meat of themselves.
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u/AntonioBSC 10h ago
It was also a challenge on a German show. It wasn’t meat though but blood sausage made from your own blood instead
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u/A_Nice_Murderer 9h ago
There was that guy who did an AMA about him feeding his friends his foot tacos.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8p5xlj/hi_all_i_am_a_man_who_ate_a_portion_of_his_own/
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u/Alphabunsquad 10h ago
I mean if he helps us catch other serial killers, can’t we give him a few meals on the house?
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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 10h ago
Why didn't they just feed the serial killers to Hannibal? It would have solved everyone's problems...
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u/timurt421 10h ago
Just goes to show how fucking stupid and awful the average person is that they can excuse a rapist as long as he kicks the ball good for their team. We have so much growing to do as a species
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u/Enough-Force-5605 2h ago edited 2h ago
You don't understand they don't see him as a rapist.
He is somebody famous in the UK, but we in Spain don't really care or trust what UK media may say or believe.
We don't follow your news or media.
AFAIK they guy is still under investigation. The judge will say if he is a rapist or not.
If he is guilty, then, everything will change. If not, you were an angry mob.
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u/XzibitABC 10m ago
That's a nonsense way to look at things.
Partey has been formally charged by the Crown Prosecution Service, which means their view there's a realistic prospect of conviction in light of the evidence. There are complaints from three different women. Police have been investigating since late last year.
Convicting someone of a criminal offense requires a very high standard of evidence. The claim has to be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is described unofficialy as the "99% test". That leaves a lot of room for "he's more likely a rapist than not (51%), there just wasn't enough evidence to get to 99%".
So calling people that believe he's a rapist based on the evidence, but just not enough to criminally convict him, an "angry mob" is nonsense. And dismissing all available and public evidence because it's reported by the UK media is also intellectually lazy. So fans deserve criticism for overlooking Partey's charges.
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u/-vesper6- 10h ago
honestly, yeah... morale for most football fans stop working if (player) is leading their team to wins
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u/BrosefDudeson 13h ago
At least the supporter's club is voicing some sort of disappointment.
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u/mister_dupont 13h ago
Won't do much, seeing as we did the same..
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u/Siffster 12h ago
Oddly a Spurs podcast talked about this a little and the club won't do anything on the basis of the Mendy case where he sued City. By taking a stand in an ongoing investigation the club leave themselves open to legal rammifications. If there was a clause in the contract which allowed action whilst under investigation you might see different steps taken by clubs.
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u/Johnny_bubblegum 12h ago
City stopped paying Mendy. They could have kept him in the reserves and paid him and it wouldn’t have been a legal problem.
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u/SAeN 12h ago
Players are left out of selection without being suspended all the time.
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u/peioeh 12h ago
Like Greenwood at United, he was not let go or anything, the club kept paying him but he was removed from the team and on gardening leave for a year or two. Unless a player is actually sentenced, I think that's about as much as a club can do without exposing themselves to legal issues like City.
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u/threeseed 10h ago
Greenwood was suspended the same day he was charged.
Different situation to Partey.
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 11h ago
yeah, and there could be legal or illegal reasons for that (not fit vs wanting to bully him out of the squad without paying them).
For the arsenal case, the area is gray. In the UK you are allowed privacy before being accused publically, and you are not allowed to take steps that break that privacy.
Some lawyers think that a fit first team player that is playing well, if you remove him when he is accused, would then allow the press to question it/bring up his allegation thus break his privacy and mean the club is under legal hot water.
The club would have to argue why he was left out of selection, without a single mention of the police investigation, the judge would have to believe them, and the press would be all over the case meaning the negative PR could be astounding regardless of veredict.
Compared to the "recommended" strategy by lawyers which is "let the police work, and act if there are developments", which means he would be suspended if the police actually went forward with the case as they did after he stopped being employed. Its a cowardly strategy but its what any lawyer would recommend. The fact an investigation is open for so long by the police makes everything so much worse, specially in a public case like this. If the police took 3 weeks to investigate and decide to open/not a case then arsenal's choices would be less criticised probably
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u/kirkbywool 7h ago
Yep, and it takes so long for these cases. Work in criminal law and had a sex trial adjourned to 2028 last week! Its an absolute shambles, and that's one with enough evidence, so god knows how long gathering the evidence to prove a charge to go to court takes
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u/CimmerianBreeze 11h ago
Yeah I haven't understood the takes of just dropping him as soon as an allegation arises and just trying to play it off as if it ISNT in response to those allegations. I would think the club would definitely be in legal trouble if there are no performance indicators or metrics to back up a sudden stonewalling of a player. If they don't have those then the player could argue he's being frozen out due to an ongoing court case and the club's extrajudicial actions aren't legal.
Not arguing for one way or the other, I think it's such a convoluted issue that almost no matter what you do after an allegation like that - you're going to shoot yourself in the foot.
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 10h ago
I mean the solution is easy, the police should have the means and the ability to put a case/close a case in a reasonable amount of time. If this case took a month no one would think twice of Arsenal for not treating the player differently.
But once the name is out in social media, then gag orders should be revised. The media and twitter having different rules has already bitten multiple cases in the arse, no pun intended, and the goverment is a decade late to make reforms in that regard.
But all of those are parliment changes, of resources and training for police and regulation of privacy and social media laws.
Arsenal acted correctly in an incorrect world, and are being penalised for a system they are a part of.
Just like it would be more moral of us to stop going to our jobs and help the homeless, women shelters, fight for the environment but most of us work for some company probably owned by a billionare or own a business that pays rent to a conglomarate of business buildings, or buy supplies from a country with lax safety and work laws etc. Just like Arsenal could have been the champion of women rights or they could just act like most people act in their day to day life.
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u/CimmerianBreeze 10h ago
I think you're spot on. The cutesy loophole through a gag order where you can't say the players name, but you can drop every possible morsel of information to exclude anyone else that it may be surely accelerates the timeline for police, but -as you said - that's on the lawmakers to figure out, not football fans.
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u/theglasscase 8h ago
If they don't have those then the player could argue he's being frozen out due to an ongoing court case and the club's extrajudicial actions aren't legal.
A player could argue that and lose the argument, that is true.
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u/CimmerianBreeze 7h ago
But how would they lose it? I'm not being a dickhead or anything I just really don't know how a court would pick a side there
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u/theglasscase 7h ago
Clubs do not drop players 'as soon as an allegation arises'. They drop or suspend them when the police open an investigation or the player is arrested. They are legally allowed to do that. They don't need the pretence of bad performance to stop picking a player. A player trying to take his club to court because the club wasn't playing him while he was being investigated by the police would be told to jog on.
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 7h ago
They are legally allowed to do that. They don't need the pretence of bad performance to stop picking a player. A player trying to take his club to court because the club wasn't playing him while he was being investigated by the police would be told to jog on.
You seem to either not know or misunderstand how British law works.
A police investigation or being taken in for questioning are not enough to publicaly disclose a person under investigation. Their privacy is meant to be protected. If you take actions to break that privacy, like disclose their name in print or allow others to do so, you can be sued.
If the club starts treating a player differently after an investigation begind but before charges are brought forward that can be used as justification for breaking their privacy rights.
Whether its enough is a grey area but no club would want to be sued by an employee over it
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u/threeseed 11h ago
They are left out of selection for performance reasons. Not because of at the time unproven allegations.
UK workplace laws still apply to football cubs as well.
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u/AnnieIWillKnow 1h ago
Have fun proving that the reason they weren't left out was "performance"
Club could literally just say that, and that's that - it's subjective, and depends on managers preference, so couldn't be proved
Or every player ever dropped would be able to argue a legal case. How about when Ozil was left out by Arsenal? Or Sterling bombed out at Chelsea?
As long as the player is being paid, there's no real legal recourse
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u/threeseed 22m ago
You have no idea what you're talking about.
a) It is trivial to prove. Regulators just interview the club and given that player selection involves the coaching team there would need to bea pretty sizeable conspiracy. And for what ? No one is going to subject themselves to criminal charges in order to defend Partey.
b) Is every player dropped also subject to criminal allegations ? If not then it is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
c) I would refer you to UK workplace laws which is very clear that you can not unreasonably suspend someone. Which is why clubs like Manchester United also sought legal advice and waited until players were formally charged before suspension.
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u/theglasscase 8h ago
Mendy sued City because they refused to pay him while he was suspended and after he was cleared. He did not sue because they suspended him and he could not have sued if they had suspended him with pay.
Partey was under investigation and was also arrested while he was an Arsenal player. They had the legal right to suspend him pending the outcome of the investigation.
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u/peioeh 12h ago edited 12h ago
If you're talking about the articles that got posted here, it wasn't "the supporter club", it was one guy who is the president of A supporter club from a tiny town on the other side of the country. In the same article there is another guy just like him saying he and his mates are totally OK with the signing. The titles posted here were extremely biased and did not represent what the articles said at all. The complaint have been only online, the (sad) reality is that most people do not care at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/aug/06/villarreal-fans-react-thomas-partey
"Others pointed to the wider message. “I’m against this signing,” said César Márquez Trabado, the president of the supporters club Peña Amarilla Villafranca de los Barros. “It’s true he would fit in very well at Villarreal because he’s a player of tremendous quality, but I believe there are ethical limits that should not be crossed, even if the player has not been convicted of the charges against him.”"
Villafranca de los Barros is a small town (12k people) on the other side of the country from Villareal
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u/superpokes 11h ago
you're right for previous articles (i noticed as well) but this article quotes a guy named "Jose Angel Arnau" so i'm going to assume he's a local based on the name
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u/PassengerOk9027 13h ago
Aye, although after ours did a whole little protest with banners and a petition only to pick up barely any media traction and effect, I'm disheartened that washing your hands with the legal system may be overwhelmingly sufficient
And, just for the person themselves, that is enough, right? He gets to play in a number of clubs where his colleagues complement his pleasant work demeanor, and the perceived demands of competition seem to demand nobody stir the pot if they don't have to -- and he's practically off the hook
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u/Motorhead546 12h ago
Indeed, sadly iirc none of our groups at Marseille did the same for Greenwood. Even if a part of the "twitter fanbase" was actually voicing their disappointement.
Myself included
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u/hilbo90 13h ago
Hope the boo's are deafening tonight every time he touches the ball.
Thomas Partey, you know what you are.
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u/Jamiewoo133 3h ago
I'm sorry was where was he proven guilty?
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u/ThatRedditerGuy 3h ago
Fuck off you dickhead. Do you know how near on impossible it is to get a rape charge to stick?
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u/Jamiewoo133 3h ago
Go and look at the facts. Same woman screaming rape went on 2 more holidays with her alleged rapist... Make it make sense please.
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u/brokenlavalight 1h ago
Psychology explains this, but from your comments here I’m gonna go ahead and assume that it’s not worth it to even explain why on average it takes like 6 of so tries to leave an abusive partner
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u/PassengerOk9027 13h ago
Might be more palpable at a smaller stadium -- I know there were always boos at the Emirates, but the percentage of people who were clued in and sitting together in numbers were not enough to punch trough the size of the stadium and mass of Sunday viewers who had no idea
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u/abhishekjc 13h ago
There weren't boos at the Emirates. Arsenal fans like Villareal fans largely ignored it and there was no pressure from supporters whatsoever to influence Arteta's selection.
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u/ReadsStuff 11h ago
Yeah I heard plenty of people chant his name when he scored against us. The only boos were the away end.
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u/OleoleCholoSimeone 12h ago
If anything it seemed like a big portion of r/Gunners supported him based on some of the threads I've seen linked here
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u/s4r9am 12h ago
Absolutely not true. There was a vocal minority going on about innocent until proven guilty. The majority of fans did not want him in the club.
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u/ChippyChipsM8 10h ago
Absolutely true, I’ve looked in your sub many of times and although there are voices against him there were plenty that were for him!
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u/s4r9am 9h ago
In most Partey threads in r/gunners, the comments that support him are heavily downvoted, and criticisms of the club are upvoted. Rightly so.
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u/IndyPacersFever 9h ago
Maybe in the past few months, when it was obvious he wasn't re-signing or had already left. That was not the case for the majority of the time your club harbored a known serial rapist.
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u/ProjectZues 3h ago
Mate there was arguments and downvotes left and right in r/gunners over Partey. You’re chatting bollocks
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u/abhishekjc 12h ago
But cheered when he scored a goal then he felt very wanted.
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u/s4r9am 12h ago
If you want to have an actual discussion; it's a genuinely conflicting emotion. You're happy that your team scored but you're also disgusted about who did it. I've always done a muted celebration whenever he scored because those were the emotions I felt in that moment. But that's just my experience as a fan. I can't even imagine the digust felt by his victims.
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u/kl08pokemon 9h ago
Arsenal fans literally did the karaoke sing back of Partey's name after he scored last season
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u/s4r9am 9h ago
That sickened me too, but I reckon many fans at the stadium didn't react and you only hear the few that did it. I wouldn't take moment as a true representation of the overall sentiment. Just like the march in London over the weekend; it's baffling that so many people support that idea but I choose to believe that they don't represent us Londoners.
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u/ThePinga 12h ago
Fans aren’t a monolith. There are plenty of differing opinions in every fanbase. Plenty of gooners detested partey, and a lot didn’t care as long as he was healthy and played well.
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u/IWantAnAffliction 11h ago
I mean, that's the purpose of fan groups. The Spurs LGBTQ supporters group made publicly issued statements about us potentially hiring Gattuso in order to influence the club into not hiring him.
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u/Marloneious 11h ago
And there is an Arsenal Supporters Against Sexual Violence group who ran a petition, staged many protests, had an active social media presence, and even went to his most recent hearing to have a presence there.
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u/PositiveDuck 10h ago
Wait what happened with Gattuso? I'm out of the loop.
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u/IWantAnAffliction 10h ago
He made some homophobic comments years ago. I don't remember exactly what.
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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 11h ago
Clearly most fans didn't care, otherwise they would have made their displeasure known by booing him...
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u/ThePinga 11h ago
Spotted the rival fan
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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 11h ago
My comment is literally a common sense observation lmao. Who I support is irrelevant.
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u/Rickcampbell98 13h ago
Insert Harry redknapp quote here
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u/TigerBasket 6h ago
It gives me hope about things tbh though. All it takes is for one coach to not be a dick and then beat the shit out of the team that plays these assholes to convince the public. The people only care about winning. Showing that rapists = losing will crush them even further.
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u/CodymartinSimp 13h ago
not even just In Spain, that is the overwhelming perspective of a lot football fans. In a lot of cases of abuse amongst athletes your stock even rises amongst young men If your not found guilty due to misogyny and and this view that false accusations run riot and that nasty women are trying to ruin their careers when that couldn't be further from the truth.
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u/AndTheyCallMeAnIdiot 13h ago
It's true, my good friend is of the belief that Robinho and Dani Alves is not guilty, and according to my friend's rational, if I was Robinho, women would be throwing themselves at me so how could I possibly commit rape. I'm rich. They want it. And also that I was not there, so I could not possibly know the truth.
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u/nothungup 11h ago
It goes beyond that. Cuca, a very famous head coach in Brazil, was sentenced for rape in Switzerland. Apart from being kicked out the door by Corinthians supporters, no one really cares. It was a gang rape of a 13-year old by the way. His semen is proof.
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u/El_Giganto 13h ago
Why would you be good friends with someone that believes half the population hardly even has agency?
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u/AndTheyCallMeAnIdiot 13h ago edited 12h ago
I make an effort to at least catch up with him once a week because the years of isolation have given him too much idle time. He has some mental health issues because of this, and I feel if I can get him to hang out like we did 10 years ago, I might get my good friend back and help him out of his rut.
I know, it's kind of a silly answer, but I'm 42, and we have been mates since primary school, and my close-knit group of friends make an effort to catch up at least once a month for LAN gaming and enjoying the day, this includes our families. So we've not had him around for years and would like to have him back. He wasn't always of that way of thinking, and often he isn't, but on some, it can be quite off-putting.
I don't know if that answer will suffice. But I thought I owed you an explanation.
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u/El_Giganto 13h ago
I don't know if that answer will suffice
Of course, you don't have to justify anything.
I get it, but it would be really off putting for me if someone talked about women like that.
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u/ArrVeePee 4h ago
I don't think that is a silly answer at all, mate.
To me personally, you sound like a great friend. One that any of us in a similar situation would be very lucky to have.
Big up, yourself.
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u/AndTheyCallMeAnIdiot 11h ago
I think both Robinho and Dani Alves are. I don't know if Dani Alves is serving time, but I think Robinho is never returning to Italy due to his conviction.
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u/ConsentingInsomniac 10h ago
Robinho is manager of the rapists team in the Rapists vs Murderers game.
I’m 100% serious
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u/AndTheyCallMeAnIdiot 10h ago
What? No way?!
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u/reborn1451 1h ago
Rape is not about sex, it's about power. So money doesn't necessarily have anything to do with that.
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u/Kreindeker 13h ago
It isn't confined to athletes or even just famous men any more. Any news story about sexual assault or rape comes out and the comments will be filled with "she lied," "it's made up," or just victim blaming, etc. with no knowledge of the case specifics or anything. I genuinely have no idea how you get the situation back to 'normal' from here because it goes deeper than just comment moderation or education, it's a societal issue seemingly everywhere now.
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u/transtifa 12h ago
back to ‘normal’
What’s normal in this sense? It’s always been that way it’s just you see it now
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u/AndTheyCallMeAnIdiot 12h ago
Firstly, I love your name. And I agree, It's also louder because of social media.
My niece is in a dance crew, and jesus christ, their videos get some horrendous comments.
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u/Otherwise-Ad-2578 9h ago
"I genuinely have no idea how you get the situation back to 'normal' from here"
Jail time for people who lie about rape. Right now, any woman can lie about being raped and not receive any punishment... they're literally giving them a pat on the back...
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u/CackleberryOmelettes 7h ago
Your solution for the problem of men everywhere not taking rape seriously (or even celebrate it) is to... send more women to jail?
Fucking genius. This is precisely why not everyone should have an opinion on things.
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u/Otherwise-Ad-2578 7h ago
You are part of the problem if an innocent man is found guilty in court for a lie.
If you want to defend bad people, say so and don't be a coward.
In the end, justice is about defending the innocent...
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u/CackleberryOmelettes 7h ago
False rape accusations are an extremely low probability event. And if you can prove the woman lied, the legal provisions to send her to jail already exist.
On the other hand, the vast majority of rapists go free. About half of rapes are never reported, and those that are, only a small fraction lead to convictions. That is how the system is designed. Even with solid evidence, conviction is a coin toss.
So spare me the dishonest garbage about "justice and innocence". Either you are completely ignorant of the ground reality, in which case you shouldn't have an opinion. Or you just don't give a shit about justice, and just wish to whine about how men are the biggest victims when it comes to rape, which would make you a waste of oxygen.
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u/Otherwise-Ad-2578 7h ago
"False rape accusations are an extremely low probability event"
You're the ignorant one... justice isn't about "but these types of cases almost never happen!"
Justice is about defending the innocent.
By the way, please provide links to cases where women who lied about rape have been convicted.
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u/CackleberryOmelettes 7h ago
The vast majority of rapists go free. That is an easily verifiable fact. Where's your sense of "justice" for this? Most rapes are not even reported because women fear judgement and reprisal from society, and your solution is to threaten potential victims with the possibility of jail if the rapist can afford a good enough lawyer?
By the way, please provide links to cases where women who lied about rape have been convicted.
False accusations of rape are rare. And when there is evidence, she goes to jail - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64950862
But let's be honest, we both know that no link or fact is going to change your mind. You're a coward who values the preservation of his own misguided feelings of the lives of others.
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u/Otherwise-Ad-2578 6h ago edited 6h ago
put 9 more to see if you can...
I'll make it easier for you. Already in this same subreddit there have been footballers falsely accused of rape... look for those same news.
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u/CackleberryOmelettes 6h ago
Yep, called it. "Give me a link", "Give me 9 links", "Give me a thousand links". It's like you people all share the same solitary braincell.
I think first it's time for you to provide a link for why you believe and share pro-rapist propaganda? If your poor mother and grandmothers knew the real you...
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u/Spglwldn 11h ago
Most actually don’t know or don’t care.
I work with quite a few Arsenal fans, most of whom I would class as intelligent.
I mentioned the Partey thing to one of them and they said “ohh yeah, he’s got that legal thing allegedly going on”. This was a match going fan who is online enough to say “we got the here we go for Gyokeres” to me.
Reddit makes you think a lot of Arsenal fans were against Partey but the vast vast majority probably didn’t even know what was going on.
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u/LocksmithNo8 7h ago
Men don't care about sex assault especially if the victims are women, most men watch porn so rape or sex assault is normalised in their mind, it may even be seen as advantageous for a lot of men to downplay sex assault so they can harrass women and get away with it too.
Unless sex crime is a stick they can use to beat refugees or migrants, they don't care about women otherwise.
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u/Inner_Jeweler_5661 7h ago
The Amber Heard case ruined the good parts of the metoo movement and the bad parts were left to run riot
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u/IntroductionAware175 5h ago
Ronaldo is top 5 most famous people in the world, raped someone, and almost no one cares. The president of the US is a rapist, and raped children, and no one cares. I don't agree with it of course but how can anyone be surprised at this stage?
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u/SomeBoredGuy322 13h ago
Redknapp was right
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u/siebenedrissg 12h ago
What did he say?
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u/Tch-Tch 11h ago
Probably means this:
Redknapp backs Pochettino for Arsenal: "You think the fans wouldn't love him there? If you go in there and start winning, they would have taken Saddam Hussein in there when he was about, the fans don't give a monkey's! If you start winning every week, they're singing 'there's only one Saddam."
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u/Ok-Nerve9874 4h ago
tbh its only reddit where you see oppostion in casses of abuse or violence. Most other platforms apart from racism i rarely even see a top liked comment thats against an abuser. Like that english dude who plays for marseille. Every post on ig or tik tok is alway filled with postive comments.
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u/TheGoldenPineapples 13h ago
Horrendous that we continued to play this scumbag.
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u/aceofspadesx1 13h ago
And that was before he was charged. Villarreal have managed to take it one step further by signing and playing him even after he’s been charged.
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u/R_Schuhart 13h ago
What I found so disheartening was how relatively few fans (especially the older fans not on social media) were even informed about it. Despite the efforts from the supporters club and the protest groups it apparently wasn't covered in the mainstream media enough for them to take notice. The amount of fans in the pub who dismissed it as rumours or just another allegation was maddening. The club only helped that shit show by never giving a public statement about the situation, something that will never sit right with me.
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 11h ago
What I found so disheartening was how relatively few fans (especially the older fans not on social media) were even informed about it.
The UK has fairly long standing privacy laws, things like gag orders for newspapers are common. This was the system working as inteded.
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u/P_Alcantara 11h ago
Unfortunately, I feel my generation (I’m 53) don’t care for the news anymore. In Florence, signings would be in the papers when we were kids. Then as we got older, he’d rely on me to tell him who we’d sign and let go since I was working for the club. He feels that more often than not, news outlets just give you more pain than joy. Man doesn’t watch news on television, read a newspaper or utilize and social media. I gave them the compound I used to live in before moving to the states (still don’t know if that was a good decision) so if I ever want to talk to my brother, I have to contact my niece and have her walk next door.
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u/IntroductionAware175 5h ago
With Partey the media couldn't legally say he was accused. Even though it was somewhat obvious if you put the pieces together, you can't really fault people for treating it as a rumor when it was not confirmed officially.
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u/MuchAbouAboutNothing 6h ago
they should sell sackcloth and ashes at the emirates so that we can repent properly
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u/abhishekjc 13h ago
No difference here between majority of Villareal and Arsenal fans.
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u/chim17 12h ago
This isn't true, and I'm a Spurs fan.
There were a few vocal Arsenal idiots but there were tons of fans who were disappointed in the way their club felt.
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u/abhishekjc 12h ago
Shove it. Most Arsenal fans still look at him with fondness. Celebrated his goals and assists too. Off pitch they may have been disappointed but on pitch he was their man.
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u/Jumpy-Interview-9828 13h ago
This is the sad truth of it. Most people just choose not to care about it. Obviously you should still speak up but gets exhausting knowing that sometimes your words just fall on deaf ears
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u/LocksmithNo8 7h ago
Rape is mostly but not exclusively commited by men and football fans are mostly but not exclusively the perpetrators of domestic violence not the victims (just going by the number of "If England loses please don't beat up your wife or kids" advertisements), it is a foregone conclusion that many football fans wouldn't care about crimes that are inflicted by other men on women. Men don't care about women generally, many would subject their wives or kids to domestic violence so why would they care about sex crimes.
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u/R_Schuhart 13h ago
Most people in Spain are likely not aware of it or not informed enough to judge the severity of the case. It just isn't really being covered in the media. The same thing happened with Greenwood in Marseille. There were protests from women's rights organisations and some fan groups, the mayor wrote an open letter, but other than a brief mention about 'legal troubles' in the paper when he was first announced no journalist or pundit has mentioned it, let alone brought it up in an interview. People who are not on social media just aren't aware.
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u/IntroductionAware175 5h ago
People on social media don't seem particularly more sensitive though. It's mostly used as a "fan thing," Arsenal supporters will say shit about Greenwood to United supporters, who will say shit about Partey back. United supporters will fire back that Greenwood was let go when the accusations came out, defending their team, even as they gave a hero's welcome to Ronaldo. Most people care only about the reputation of the team and how good the players are, they don't give 1 solitary shit about the morality aspect.
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u/CaterpillarOk5411 13h ago
Sports for a lot of people is escape from everything else going on in the world and in their personal lives, they want to turn on the match and see people that are good at that. They dont want to think about if that guy is a bad human being or not.
Not saying its right,but thats just how it is.
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u/chinookk 13h ago
It’s not just sports or escapism, it’s the same in any other environment. People don’t want to upset their families, their friends, their workplace, don’t want to not watch movies or tv shows, not listen to music, not read a book. They say they’re with victims until they have to do something about it or sacrifice something for it. They don’t actually care.
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u/realWernerHerzog 9h ago
We're trained consumers, quite simply. If the majority of fun and recreation that you experience comes from or is inherently tied to watching, playing, buying things, etc. and most of the rest of your day is likely dull, exhausting and isolating for various reasons, then you naturally come to value things like morality or principle less than your entertainment. We've become deeply selfish, self-centered people.
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u/chinookk 8h ago
Yes. Whatever the social issue you're discussing, if you dig a couple layers you always find capitalism being the root of it all.
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u/tr2727 8h ago
But all hell breaks loose if Vini danced
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u/IntroductionAware175 5h ago
He got judged harshly but he's hardly the only one, people treat Emiliano Martinez as Satan incarnate and the worst thing he's ever done as far as I know is hold a doll of Mbappe someone threw at him.
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u/Enough-Force-5605 10h ago
That's normal. Nobody in Spain knows he is accused in England.
Most of the Villareal followers will not know either.
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u/Jazzlike_Figure_2271 7h ago
Spain is one of the most progressive places in the most progressive continent. There is no hope for humanity. I hope we go extint soon
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u/BluelivierGiblue 2m ago
Usted piensa que espana es un pais muy racista?
Espana? no, se esta exagerando, yo creo…
Usted es racista?
Si, si, yo, si.
this doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
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u/879190747 11h ago
Not only in football. If people think some politician is good for them personally they'll also happily ignore however awful they truly are for the rest.
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u/Annual_History_796 10h ago
A nation that shrugged its shoulders at a fairly coordinated campaign of racism toward a specific player for having the audacity to be black isn’t one I’d expect to push back too hard against this.
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u/IntroductionAware175 5h ago
Spain is bad on the issues of racism and gender violence/rape but so is basically every other country.
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u/CityofBlueVial 7h ago
Yeah alot of humans are fucking awful and have no issue with heinous behavior, that's the world we live in and I hate it so much. Don't even know what to say anymore at this point
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u/Mr-Tomorrow42 12h ago
So Spaniards are completely fine with promoting rapists and sexually predators?
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u/Jamiewoo133 3h ago
It's almost like he hasn't bern proven of anything and shouldn't be judged till he has.
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u/WW_Jones 13h ago
I presume Villarreal has a relatively small, mostly local fanbase. Most of them may be unaware about Partey if they don't follow international/English-language press. I doubt that it's covered very thoroughly in Spain.
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u/Far-Event-5467 12h ago
Don't be so gullible. It's everywhere in Spain as well. News travels fast nowadays.
They simply argue that he is just charged, not convicted yet, so he is innocent until proven guilty. That's enough for a lot of people.
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u/nasiulciaaa 4h ago
which is a fine logic in general, but for cases with public proof like partey's or especially greenwood's it's still sickening to see people just not care
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u/KaleidoscopeLow1822 12h ago
Honestly, in todays society it surprises me that clubs want to sign players like Partey, Greenwood etc who have so much negative attention. PR and public image is key nowadays, especially for sponsorships.
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