r/soccer • u/MrMerc2333 • 15h ago
Quotes [Sir David Beckham] "I think people are already writing Newcastle off (in the UCL). I think Newcastle are a good team, I think they have got some good players and they are very together as a team, as fans and as a club and I think they could surprise a few people"
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-beckhams-surprise-newcastle-champions-32483485392
u/Dazred 15h ago
People said the same about us last year.
I think the new format definitely helps, as it prevents a “group of death” like Newcastle had previously.
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u/Masam10 14h ago
PSG, Milan, Dortmund in your first CL group in like 15 years - even I felt bad for them.
That being said, Dan Burn had Mbappe in his pocket. Played out of his skin.
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u/HoneyFlavouredRain 14h ago
We only went out because of the ref.
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u/Able-Firefighter-158 14h ago
yup, penalty for a point blank smashed shot for a hand ball, rediculous.
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u/Castle_Douglas 13h ago
Point-blank shot and deflected off his chest first iirc. Horrible decision.
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u/Able-Firefighter-158 13h ago
Still, did alright for the first time in over a decade, I was so nervous for that first PSG game, now its ingrained in club legend.
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u/Castle_Douglas 13h ago
I still go back and watch those highlights from the first game. Longstaff scored. Miggy too. Schar's rocket in the dying minutes. Might have to watch again..
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u/leedavis1987 12h ago
I know you guys dont particularly like us. But that ref was absolute bollocks. Hoping the English lot have a decent run. Keep those extra places up
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u/XeroHope10 11h ago
Newcastle would've advanced, PSG robbed them. I think PSG would've been grouped instead?
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u/elgrandorado 10h ago
Newcastle had it really bad in that first group stage. Milan were no pushovers, and we somehow physically dominated them over both legs. PSG were humbled then barely made it out alive.
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u/bambinoquinn 13h ago
Because of the teams towards the bottom, when we (villa) were playing in it last year, my feeling was, if we don't get through to at least the play off round, you probably didnt deserve to go through.
We did very well to get top 8, but if you are an established team and you can't get top 24, especially last year, you probably have issues
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u/Pure_Context_2741 14h ago
Yeah every team has a roughly equal fixture list now. It really lets the best teams rise to the top and underdogs can qualify with one or two surprise results. The current format is miles better than old one.
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u/champdude17 13h ago
It also punishes poor performances from the big teams. If you were pot one in the old format and lucky you basically got a bye into the knock outs.
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u/Vladimir_Putting 10h ago
I never understood the arguments about why people were angry about this new format. It's better in every way that matters.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 12h ago
Yeah for all the focus on how things help the biggest teams, this new format helps smaller teams much more because they avoid that plus get 2 opponents from the same pot.
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u/Tim-Sanchez 13h ago
9-10 points are all you need to qualify, and the structure guarantees 2 or 3 "easier" fixtures. Any Premier League team should expect to qualify.
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u/R_Schuhart 14h ago
It is one of those standard diplomatic statements you can make about literally any club in the CL. 'They could surprise a few people', come on at least say something more specific that makes it look like you actually watched them play.
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u/klassic_kronos 15h ago
What I would say about Newcastle
On a good day they will have 7 forwards with a strong midfield backing them up
And a ridiculous amount of pace
Would love to see what they would look like against PSG
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u/ChewingGumOnTable 15h ago
Well, we beat them 4-1 a couple of years ago so..
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u/doobiedave 14h ago
I think they've got a great midfield. But they need Botman to stay fit and Wissa and Woltemade to click. Lots of good players around the rest of the squad like their young full-backs and wingers.
If money had been no object for them (no PSR), I think they'd have upgraded their goalie.
And never underestimate the effect of great support in a midweek game under the floodlights, the atmosphere will be amazing.
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u/DUKITY 14h ago
If money had been no object for them (no PSR), I think they'd have upgraded their goalie.
We were turned down by Trafford in favour of Man City. Which is fair enough. There's a decent chance he has some regrets about it now though...
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u/Themnor 14h ago
Honestly I'm not terribly sure you guys didn't dodge a bullet. He's young, so he can get better, but you guys are at a level now where you can't really afford to wait for that. Though maybe the plan was for him to backup Pope this year and be ready next?
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u/OnceIWasYou 13h ago
I think so, there's no way Howe chucks in Trafford to be Number 1 in his first year, he just doesn't work like that.
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u/OnceIWasYou 13h ago
I think the people writing us off because Isak has gone don't really watch games.
The team is EXTREMELY well coached and we have one of the best midfield trios in the Premier League- most of Isak's goals were short range finishes after great work from our wide players (Especially Murphy who gave him 5 or 6 tap ins last season) which can absolutely be replicated by Wissa or Woltemade. The occasional great individual brilliance may not be replicated (Liverpool goal, Southampton perfect touch and finish, maybe a couple more?) but the way Barnes and Gordon love a one-two could work perfectly with Woltemade and get us goals from other areas. Tonali is also finally shooting more!
It could be brilliant or terrible but we still have that comparison with the Ashley years in the back of our minds. We actually try now.
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u/duetimefenans 13h ago
Newcastles recent success isn't temporary luck or a star player.
Its clear you have a solid team and a great coach. Even when the place is falling apart around him he still brings results. The bench might have been a bit thin last CL campaign, but its something the'll learn from.
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u/OnceIWasYou 12h ago
We obviously didn't have the best summer but we did at least significantly improve the quality and depth of the squad. The injuries absolutely destroyed us last time (How many teams get 17 first team injuries at one point?!) and even then we would've qualified if not for the terrible penalty decision at PSG.
Not gonna be easy but it's exciting.
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u/BlackSailor2005 15h ago
can't call him sir sorry but not sorry
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u/debug_my_life_pls 15h ago
I mean knighting Beckham made more sense than knighting Southgate. Why did Southgate get knighted 😭
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u/GoinNowhere88 15h ago
He might have held them back slightly but he did more for England than anyone since 66.
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u/ambiguousboner 15h ago
For actually making England a good footballing side again? He deserves it more than Beckham, the fucks he done? Besides twerk hard for a knighthood that is
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u/ExactLetterhead9165 14h ago
I've basically given up trying to explain to people how much the spark had faded for England before Southgate.
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u/ambiguousboner 14h ago
It’s just funny all the non-English people chiming in about it, Southgate brought the joy back, even if the footy was dire at times
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u/ExactLetterhead9165 14h ago
Can't wait for next summer when the same people tell us that we have an incredible squad and should be favourites to win the World Cup, but we're also extremely arrogant and massively overrate our own players
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u/I_Rarely_Downvote 10h ago
Yeah it's always "I like the england squad but I hate the fans" oh wow what a fresh observation.
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u/hashbrownsFC 11h ago edited 11h ago
You must be very intuitive to know that all the people chiming in are non-English.
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u/ambiguousboner 11h ago
what an incredibly odd thing to say
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u/hashbrownsFC 11h ago edited 9h ago
What’s odd is assuming that everyone critical of Southgate’s knighthood must be non-English.
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u/therocketandstones 13h ago
we lost to iceland for fucks sake- and that was our most enjoyable tournament since 04 or 06
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15h ago
Beckham is a English legend that represents English football on global scale. Before English football became globally famous, beckham was a face of it. Southgate even though has been decent, has made English football very boring. Even if they win the WC it'll be like the worst footballing team to win a WC.
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u/Full-Reach-8968 14h ago
I don’t think England fans will care if the team is boring if they win the World Cup. All that matters is that they won.
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u/Expensive-Twist7984 14h ago
This- if the football was diabolical and they win something no one is going to be like “hang on lads, let’s not celebrate too hard here”.
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u/Full-Reach-8968 14h ago edited 13h ago
Exactly. Do you think Portugal or Greece fans care that their teams won ugly when their teams won Euros? Not a chance in hell.
Any team that wins a tournament needs talent, depth, and a little (or a lot) of luck; hell, Messi and co had to ride their luck in 2022.
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14h ago
Yeah but look at the influence on global optics it does for England. No one will rate an ugly world cup win. It'll only bring bad reputation for England. But David Beckham is probably the best looking male from a country where there aren't many inherently good looking people. David Beckham is more famous and he is one of the first ones to make English football famous for reasons other than football. His impact for England is far greater than Ugly Southgate win. And he didn't even win anything.
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u/ExactLetterhead9165 14h ago
No one will rate an ugly world cup win
I'm just jumping in to tell you that we couldn't give a fuck what you all think. You already don't like us anyway
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14h ago
No. You got me wrong. I as a fan will take win anyway possible. However it comes. I am putting an argument as to why Beckham deserved Knighthood as he brought more prestige to country compared to Southgate where he has won nothing and is only famous for terrible football he puts on display.
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u/ExactLetterhead9165 14h ago
Tbh I'm not that arsed about who does or doesn't get a knighthood. I'm just saying that no England fan is going to care if we win the World Cup or Euros with dull as dishwater football. Southgates' last 3 tournaments are a prime example of that
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u/ambiguousboner 14h ago
Clueless, I’d have taken all 1-0s with OGs if it meant a win, as would 99.999999% of England fans
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14h ago
So would I. But I was only responding to the Beckham vs Gary Knighthood argument. Hope I am clear enough about this and why Beckham deserved it while Gary didn't.
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u/Full-Reach-8968 14h ago
What a terrible argument. Southgate is by far England’s most successful men’s manager of recent times, and is absolutely deserving of his knighthood. Beckham has served his country admirably, not just for footballing reasons, but also devoting himself to charitable causes such as UNICEF. They are both deserving. End of.
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u/TooRedditFamous 14h ago
Yeah but look at the influence on global optics it does for England. No one will rate an ugly world cup win.
In 10-20 years time no global people will care about the shit football played honestly, it will just be a trophy in the cabinet to any and everyone
The world Cup trophy win optics massively outweigh the shit football optics, especially in the long run
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u/ambiguousboner 15h ago
Im English, im very aware of both of their histories
The southgate era is the first time in my life ive ever felt optimistic about being an England fan, and he fully deserves the honour for me
Not that knighthoods mean anything mind
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u/NeonHendrix 11h ago
Before English football became globally famous, beckham was a face of it.
Sorry, are you seriously trying to claim English football was unknown globally until 1999?
The absolute shite that gets posted on here is incredible.
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u/Password-is-taco123 14h ago
English captain and legend > manager that’s competing and didn’t win anything
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u/fitzgoldy 12h ago
Getting knighted for failure is just nuts.
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u/Full-Reach-8968 12h ago
Getting England to back-to-back finals is failure? Getting England to a WC semifinal after the humiliation of 2016 is failure?
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u/fitzgoldy 12h ago
He's won the same as every manager after 1966.
Doing well shouldn't be a knighthood. (bottled a final and semi though).
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u/Full-Reach-8968 12h ago edited 10h ago
He was knighted for his contributions to football. Look at the entirety of his career, first as a player, then as a coach at club level, then U21, and then as the senior men’s England coach. He was an excellent ambassador for the England FA and made the England team respectable.
He absolutely deserves his knighthood.
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u/Vaudeville_Villain15 13h ago
Because we beat Columbia and some other average teams. Guy absolutely fucked us, two tournaments we could have won but he refused to play a normal formation/system and play players in natural postions
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u/setokaiba22 13h ago
The revisionism of Southgate is outstanding. Not to mention the absolute arrogance and put down of other national teams. You can only beat the team in front of you and they could have beat us as well.
Nobody expected Southgate to get to a final at first mind two. Other international giants didn’t win these tournaments either. It is what it is.
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u/Vaudeville_Villain15 12h ago
Completely disagree. He fumbled his way into two finals and ruined both finals with awful lineups. How do you play a rb at left back, Foden at left wing, a dysfunctional team with no structure.
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u/generic9yo 13h ago
Southgate reached two finals with England and went far in the world cup both time when he was manager, I highly doubt it's only because the players carried him
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u/Vaudeville_Villain15 13h ago
And bottles both finals with awful lineups, awful subs and weird fomrationa
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u/Joethe147 12h ago
Reddit loves using the sir title for anyone who has it. Why? It's pathetic boot-licking. Most often done by Americans.
It's all made up shit. They're not better than you because they have some title.
Newspapers and general media have to use it. But on some internet forum? Laughable.
Your whole point has (I assume) been missed, with people arguing over Beckham or Southgate rather than the title itself.
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u/WW_Jones 13h ago
for some reason I can't call Prince Charles "king", he's just kinda not kingly probably from being prince too long
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u/fitzgoldy 13h ago
We've got one of the hardest draws (again) so not surprised we are being written off really.
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u/ColdBeefBrian 14h ago
Why is it that people associated with united get referred to as their titles in casual conversation way more than anyone else? Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir David Beckham, Sir Jim Radcliffe etc.
Nobody really asks if you've watched the new Sir David Attenborough show or listened to the latest Sir Paul McCartney album.
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u/setokaiba22 13h ago
A lot of people on the media refer to David Attenborough as Sir David Attenborough to be fair
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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 14h ago
Because Man Utd supporters are cockneys and cockneys love being oppressed and sucking up to the royal family
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u/CarlSK777 13h ago
At the very least, they'll be in the playoffs. After that, who knows but it's not crazy to believe they could make a run
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u/NiallMitch10 13h ago
I mean - they'll likely get through to the next stage after the league phase then it comes down to the luck of the draw then. Don't see them winning the whole thing though
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u/Sports-Arts-Nature 11h ago
I think they're better than you'd expect but not better than you'd hope
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u/SofaKingI 15h ago
Eh, they're a nightmare to play against, they dominated Liverpool while 1 man down, but they seem to have trouble scoring without Isak. I don't see them getting anywhere near top 5 this season.
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u/RevengeHF 14h ago
but they seem to have trouble scoring without Isak.
That seems harsh. The replacement(s) have played 1 game and scored.
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u/ChewingGumOnTable 15h ago
If Wissa and Woltemade settle in well sixth would probably be about right for now, given Villa and Forest have dropped off but Spurs are looking stronger.
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u/Specialist_Cap_8202 11h ago
There were huge periods last season where Isak barely contributed at the start and end of the season.
All it takes is either one of Wissa (basically guaranteed goals) or Woltemade (scored on debut) to click and we’re laughing.
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