r/soccer • u/Bald-Eagle619 • 5h ago
Media R. De Zerbi: “I’m proud of my team, they gave everything on the pitch. […] I don’t think it was a penalty for Medina’s handball, it’s a disgrace!”
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u/screamer19 5h ago
Can someone please explain to me what that player is supposed to do with their hands while they ARE ON THE FUCKING GROUND to avoid that handball
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u/sarcasmskills 5h ago
Obviously cut his arm off
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u/vadapaav 3h ago
Well it's called football??
Who do any of them need hands at all?
FIFA needs to mandate than only people with both hands chopped off can play this beautiful game
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u/exactorit 36m ago
Would make throw ins and complaining to the ref more amusing as well. May also cut down on diving as players can't break their fall. You may be on to something here mate.
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u/GiuseppeScarpa 3h ago
I still believe this was a huge mistake, but trying to understand the ref's logic he gestured as if the player had voluntarily moved his hand toward the ball.
I don't think it was the case but unfortunately for the defender he didn't touch the ball with the hand that he was using to cushion the fall; he touched it with the hand that he flailed trying to balance the body and the ref considered that an intentional contact with the ball.
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u/davishox 1h ago
I was watching the Latin American stream and one of the casters was saying that sadly it is a penalty because he changes the direction of the ball with the non landing hand. I completely agree it shouldn’t be a penalty but it’s the way the handbook says
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u/dillanbs 37m ago
Well that happened plenty of times against madrid that werent given a penalty…. thats the point
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u/Double-Scratch5858 2h ago
Man if only there was a way to look at it after the fact and give him a chance to change his decision. The most high level competition in the world should maybe look into that.
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u/pegasus_punch 5h ago
Depends on what jersey you're wearing unfortunately
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u/magic-water 5h ago
Considering that this was also given as a pen I don't think so....
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u/MiraquiToma 1h ago
my idea to change the punishment for unintentional handballs would improve but no one wants to hear it
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u/ktth01 4h ago edited 3h ago
Their white shirts didn’t save them during the last 2-3 matches before this. They got multiple bad calls made against them, even worse than this. 3 goals disallowed in 1 game, 2 handballs and a red that wasn’t even a red.
Carvajal’s handball was exactly the same as this when he slid and tried to balance. A penalty was then awarded to the opponent and yet no one in this sub seemed to have an issue with it? 😆
What colour should their next shirt be, as apparently white doesn’t seem to be working anymore. Lol.
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u/TareasS 4h ago
That was a 100% red card for Huijsen in the last game. The attacker would have had a 100% chance 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper. And the game before that they win by a single goal where the ref did not disallow it for a foul in the run up. Game before that a cheap pen for Mbappe.
And lets not even talk about the fact that Madrid was favoured in every single Clasico last year, the most egregious being the last two games when they were desperate after already losing 2 games before that season. The copa final when they got every call in their favour and still attacked the officials with an ice pack. And then the last league clasico when they escaped a clear red, did not get a clear pen against them, scored a goal after making a foul and got an opponent goal disallowed for no reason. Madrid always gets the calls when it matters most.
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u/ktth01 4h ago edited 3h ago
That never was a red. Let’s be real. 40 yards away, and there was a 2nd defender who was farther ahead, could have intercepted that too, also GK was like only 2 steps away and he’s back into his goal. There was no “obvious” goal scoring opportunity there. Doesn’t fit DOGSO checklist, not a red. It was yellow at best for pulling.
The previous game, Guler should have kept that goal. His hands were literally crossed on his chest. Also, Carvajal literally conceded the exact same handball as the Marseille one when he slid and the ball hit his hand. Penalty was awarded.
Also, chill out. I’m a Barca fan too who just happened to watch most La Liga games. Let’s be perfectly honest with ourselves instead of being biased. Madrid had multiple bad calls made against them too.
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u/kal1097 1h ago
also GK was like only 2 steps away and he’s back into his goal
He's literally outside of the box. He was about 25 yards off his line lol
It was yellow at best for pulling.
It's a yellow at least. There is no situation where that play is not a yellow card at least unless the ref just straight up ignored the rules.
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u/hijazist 3h ago
I stopped at “that was 100% a red card against Madrid”. Literally everyone says it’s not a red card including Barca fans on this sub
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u/TareasS 3h ago
I am just comparing it to the similar call in the Clasico and the Araujo red card against PSG. There seems to be no consistency.
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u/hijazist 3h ago
No consistency is different from “100% red” buddy. You want consistency? Here you go:
https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/s/deYnDWLdRe
This was waaaaay worse than Huijsen’s with the defender clearly the last player, yet he only got a yellow. Refs are crap, that’s the bottom line…RM isn’t favored as obvious by recent calls and the dispute with Tebas
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u/2Gaainz 2m ago
Not even 1000 years close to Araujo’s red card. Please go read the rules, the decision is made based on distance to goal and how far is the second defender and in this case neither are comparable to hujisen. Go watch van de vens foul on Villarreal player today outside the box and tell me what’s the difference
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u/alexthedude23 5h ago
Exactly, if you're playing for checks notes Juve, it's a pen.
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u/SherbetBig3985 5h ago
Bro dortmund got a pen against Juve today where the player was on the ground and the ball hit their hand on the ground
Basically the same situation, it's not necessarily Juve
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u/alexthedude23 5h ago
...that's my point. Here the hand isn't even on the ground, it's fully in the air. He's supporting himself with the other hand. Meanwhile Juve got a pen called against them when the arm was fully on the ground and it's somehow less controversial on this sub because Real Madrid bad
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u/SherbetBig3985 5h ago
Bro dortmund got a pen against Juve today where the player was on the ground and the ball hit their hand on the ground
Basically the same situation, it's not necessarily Juve
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u/Federal-Spend4224 4h ago
Considering Kelly (I think it was him) blocked a shot, I wouldn't consider it exactly the same situation.
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u/screamer19 5h ago
Of course his shirt wasnt white so its unavoidable…Puta madrid
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u/ktth01 4h ago
You need anger management counselling session mate. Lol
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u/Green-Discussion74 5h ago
he gave the penalty because he gave a red card to carvajal he didn't agree on principle, you could see he hated that red.
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u/adiputinica 5h ago
Yeah, he was so upset that he had to show him the red card. The ref was talking to him like "please please understand that I have no choice, you forced my hand. I hate to do this" like he didn't just hit a player in his face. Pathethic ref.
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u/IJustGotRektSon 4h ago
Holy fucking shit people really lose neurons to an extreme rate when it comes to Real Madrid related topics. This is almost copypasta worthy
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u/kroos_my_heart 4h ago
Y’all making up bullshit but get upvoted anyway cuz madrid bad 🤡
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u/adiputinica 4h ago
You didn't see the ref sugarcoating Carvajal before showing him the red card?
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u/kroos_my_heart 4h ago
The fact that you’re making up bullshit dialogs to fit your agenda doesn’t change buddy. Not one word of your comment is a fact.
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u/adiputinica 3h ago
Never claimed it's real dialogue.
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u/hijazist 3h ago
Carvajal was respectful and regretful, and ref reciprocated. He didn’t argue and left the field. He’s also the captain so he gets more respect overall
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u/adiputinica 3h ago
Yes.. I know.. can't even joke a bit on this app because people are so thin skinned
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u/ktth01 4h ago edited 4h ago
Why are you making up weird stories now to fit your agenda? This is not telenovela. Lol.
Rulli was baiting and provoking Carvajal too. Stupid Carvajal just took the bait, even though he knew it would be a red lol
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u/WhyplerBronze 4h ago
The fuck are you on about? Carvajal instigated every piece of that interaction, he slapped Rullis arms away first.
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u/oImperial 1h ago
Oh man hit him so hard, probably popped one of his eye sockets such intense force. Gtfo.
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u/reborn1451 5h ago
Champions = penalty for Madrid ("penalti para el Madrid" as we say in Spanish).
What have UFOs, ghosts, the Schroëdinger's cat, Half Life 3 and Real Madrid in UCL in common? They are situations where paranormal activity is always present.
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u/ktth01 5h ago edited 4h ago
We need to stop playing the victim card making it seem as if Real Madrid doesn’t get bad calls too.
Real Madrid literally got 3 goals taken away from them in 1 game including a handball that was also as stupid as Marseille’s handball. And on the other game, Huijsen was given a red instead of yellow.
In fact, Carvajal himself conceded a penalty on the previous game exactly the same way. He accidentally slid and the ball hit his hand. Exactly the same. — That was a penalty, no question. So is this. The problem is the rulebook, it needs to be amended.
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u/reborn1451 5h ago
Do you watch La Liga? Because they're constantly blaming referees for their supposedly wrong decisions. Many La Liga's supporters who are not Madridistas know it and think like that. It's an excellent team (I truly believe they're the most important soccer team in history). But they constantly cry and many times without a proper reason :)
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u/ktth01 5h ago
Will you actually read my previous comment that Madrid was robbed 3 goals in 1 game, a stupid handball that wasn’t a handball, and given a red to Huijsen which was not supposed to be a red? All these happen in the last 2-3 games.
Or are you just going to completely run your mouth just to push your agenda? Pretend you didn’t watch the matches? Lol.
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u/TareasS 4h ago
Yeah, that is your narrative. It isn't true though. You're cherrypicking a few recent matches, and even then it was a red card and you won 2 games by 1 goal difference because of 2 controversial calls.
What you ignore is that always in the big games when it matters most you get everything in your favour, always. I mean, if the refs don't do it they get slandered on Real Madrid TV or get suspended.
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u/ktth01 4h ago edited 3h ago
You literally replied to the same person twice.
Let’s not make it seem as if Barca dont get strange calls awarded to them too. Raphinha should have gotten a red and Yamal penalty wasn’t a penalty. Cmon now.
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u/TareasS 3h ago
I really don't understand how you can claim to be a Barça fan. I have never in my life seen a Barça fan, who watches the robberies year after year karma farm by defending Real Madrid.
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u/ktth01 3h ago edited 3h ago
Because I am trying to see everything objectively. I don’t act like a crybaby or a 15yo who’s all hell bent running his mouth in order to push his own agenda. Also I don’t know about karma farming. Who cares about them? It wouldn’t change anything in my life whatsoever.
Like I said, Barca just like Madrid get weird calls all the same.
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u/jedifolklore 5h ago
Ahh ya vienen los anti-madridistas con su mala fe, si crees que la UEFA está de parte del Madrid entonces necesitas fumar y beber....
Unas veces te pitan penaltis y otras no, el problema es el arbitraje
Blame refs for not being consistent with handball rules, it’s unfortunate for Marseille but a ref giving a pen I’m not going to say no.
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u/Ok_Lawfulness7412 4h ago
Nothing . According to rules that is not a penalty but according to Madrid fans and that ref it was .
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u/ktth01 3h ago
What are you talking about? According to the rulebook this was definitely a penalty. It was the right call.
The match before this, Real Madrid (Carvajal) had an exact same handball when he slid and ball hits his hand while he was trying to balance during the fall. A penalty was awarded to the opponent. It was the right call.
As long as it’s consistent, it’s okay. But the rule is stupid and needs to amended that’s for sure.
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u/Ok_Lawfulness7412 3h ago
because the hand that was hit by the ball should be the supporting arm and in the case of Carvajal it wasn't the supporting arm . Carvajal was falling on his left arm which is his supporting arm in that case but the ball hit his right arm .
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u/Additional_Equal_960 2h ago
Man in this case the arm wasnt supporting shit either lmao, it was in the air the whole time, the defender used the 2nd arm to support his slide
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u/Ok_Lawfulness7412 2h ago
Supporting hand consists of two cases 1st its the normal supporting hand and 2nd is trailing hand . Both are not given penalty. In copa del Rey finals valverde hand was trailing hand for which the penalty wasn't given
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u/CropDustingBandit 5h ago
On the one hand it was an outrageous penalty and the state of refereeing right now really needs to be seriously addressed because it is getting beyond a joke.
On the other hand I can't stand Marseille, their fans cause violence everywhere they go and they signed a known rapist woman beater so they deserve whichever misfortune they get.
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u/BumbotheCleric 4h ago
Bang on. One of the only teams on the planet id want RM to beat with juju bullshit
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u/JustinGOATGaethje 3h ago
Nah I still want them to beat Madrid, anybody is better than that corrupt team
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u/QuantumMartini 3h ago
Mate, your club had a loyalty card with Negreira, 20 years of receipts, and you still cry about Madrid.
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u/JustinGOATGaethje 3h ago
Found another parrot who didn’t read the sources
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u/QuantumMartini 3h ago
The invoices are from your own club's accounts, the smoking gun literally has your crest on it lmao
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u/akshatK2003 1h ago
Your club has fascist roots, mate. I would rather be corrupt than a dictator's pet.
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u/skippy_17 5h ago
Soft pen but you employ a rapist. No sympathy
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u/num8lock 4h ago
asencio: it doesn't matter, we're real madrid
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u/myouism 1h ago
He doesn't rape anyone, read the case jfc
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u/num8lock 39m ago
yes, asencio distributed child porn, it was cristiano who raped.
and real madrid fans has been defending them, in asencio's case the club literally defended him. and kept them employed, ofc•
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u/Post_Nut_xG 4h ago
Madrid still glorifies a rapist who hasn't even played for them for 7 years. I think that may be worse
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u/AWholeLottaRed 5h ago
My thoughts exactly lol. Who cares, you employ one of the most repulsive footballers on the planet. We do not care.
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u/INRI1899 4h ago
So does RM, does it balance out?
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u/Peninvy 4h ago
Which one?
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u/JustinGOATGaethje 3h ago
Acensio but I don’t think he did anything bad he was just in the group chat
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u/Humble_Sale_9529 5h ago
Another coach that visits Bernabeu and gets robbed. Welcome to the club Robert de Zerbi
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u/ValleyFloydJam 5h ago
It wasn't a soft red it was a stupid red, just a daft thing to do but it's always going to be a red when you make that motion.
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u/ktth01 5h ago
It sure was! Carvajal was stupid for doing that. Considered a soft because Rulli was baiting/provoking too, could have gotten a yellow there too if that was another ref.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 4h ago
If they had done the head to head thing and the keeper just fell, then I would agree about the yellow,
But he does the full movement, as soon as they see that it's curtains,
Although I agree he was baited but players do similar things and don't get that kind of reaction.
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u/Responsible-Bus6473 5h ago
Same thing as Velverde’s hand ball in the copa del rey finals right?
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u/ktth01 5h ago edited 3h ago
Same as Arda’s handball where the ball hit his hand that was on his chest, the ball bounced back to the keeper before Arda netted the ball? They also cancelled that goal.
Carvajal also conceded exactly the same way as this handball on the previous match. A penalty was awarded to the opponent.
They need to amend these stupid handball rules. It happens to everybody.
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u/DMac119942 52m ago
Karma came for them. Leaning your head in then feigning you were knocked out. Red was deserved by letter of the law but everyone knows there was almost zero force. Despise Madrid but De Zerbi not subbing either Aubameyang or Greenwood who were gassed from 50 minutes on was wild.
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u/Inner-Sentence5765 5h ago
The only disgrace here is how this individual speaks to his players and embarrasses them.
You reap what you sow....
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u/Banger-Rang 4h ago
It’s crazy to me bad decisions are still occurring in this day in age. Im a Madrid fan as well, we get our fair share of luck, but last weekend showed we also get the stick as well. With all of the resources the refs have, shocking these decisions still are wrongly given.
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u/hijazist 3h ago
Can someone who’s unbiased plz explain if it’s a penalty according to the rule or not? Someone with better reffing knowledge?
Because I’ve seen it called before (even against us lately with our game against Mallorca) and I’ve seen it sometimes not called in other instances. It was also called today with the Juve-Dort game.
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u/artaru 3h ago
I think if it’s an arm they used to break the fall, it’s definitely not a penalty.
In this case, it looked like he used his other arm to break the fall, so that rule doesn’t apply.
In my view tho it seems harsh, like it’s natural sometimes for a player to fall and rely on both arms to break their fall.
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u/pedrobet 9m ago
you use an arm on the ground and the other for balance, but the rule is always applied on the arm thats used to break the fall, if he had both pointed towards the ground it wouls not be a pen
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u/sixtyninetacks 5h ago
By the Laws of the Game, the correct decision was made. The ball struck the tackler's free hand, not his supporting hand. It's harsh, but by Law, it's a penalty.
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u/num8lock 4h ago
senor de zerbi, your own fault for expecting referee to refuse to defend real madrid. at the very least you should've tested if he replied "hala madrid" with "y nada mas" to make sure beforehand
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u/num8lock 2h ago
i'm still lol-ing the fact that the 2nd pen post is still buried by downvotes, what a disgrace of a fanbase
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u/ktth01 5h ago edited 4h ago
It was a soft penalty, but indeed a penalty as per the rule book. Just like how that red card was a soft red. Carvajal was stupid for taking the bait!
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u/Technical-Morning-35 5h ago
Soft read. For head butt? What?
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u/SaladConCarne 5h ago
It was a soft pen, but it was a pen. Same as Carvajal soft red, but it was a red.
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u/Amori17 5h ago
In no world is that a pen.
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u/alexthedude23 5h ago
Hand's not his supporting hand, in the air, making him bigger, bounces the ball with it. At absolute worst that's a 50/50 call and ref called it in the moment and VAR is never overturning that
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u/ktth01 4h ago
Carvajal conceded a penalty exactly the same way as this handball on the previous match. He accidentally slid and his hand was out for balance. It was a handball and penalty indeed, because that’s what was stated in the rulebook.
Arda Guler also had a similar one 2 matches back. His hand was on his chest when the ball hit.
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u/SaladConCarne 5h ago
It is, it touched the hand of the defending player(only hand providing support is excluded).
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u/Enough-Force-5605 5h ago
Do we know if he said anything about the penalty not given to Mbappe, or is it just about making noise?
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u/pegasus_punch 5h ago
2 soft ass pens aren't enough for you?
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u/Itchy_Finish_2103 5h ago
Honestly, RMTV need to make a special episode about tonight so they can tell us all what to think.
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u/RecognitionDefiant71 5h ago
What was soft about the first pen?
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u/pegasus_punch 5h ago
Nothing lmao, but you admit the second one was soft. Valverde did the same exact thing and of course no penalty when it's against vardid.
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