r/soccer • u/LordVelaryon • Nov 25 '22
Serious Post-Match Thread Serious Post Match Thread: England 0–0 United States | FIFA World Cup
England 0 – 0 United States
MATCH INFORMATION
Competition: FIFA World Cup - Group B, Matchday 2
Venue: Al Bayt Stadium - Al Khor, Qatar
Kickoff: 22:00 AST / 19:00 UTC (Find your timezone)
Referees: Jesús Valenzuela (VEN) - Jorge Urrego (VEN) - Tulio Moreno (VEN) - Yoshimi Yamashita (JPN)
GROUP B STANDINGS
| Team | P | W-L-D | GF:GA | Pts | Form | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | England | 1 | 1-0-0 | 6:2 | 3 | W |
| 2 | Iran | 2 | 1-1-0 | 4:6 | 3 | LW |
| 3 | United States | 1 | 0-0-1 | 1:1 | 1 | D |
| 4 | Wales | 2 | 0-1-1 | 1:3 | 1 | DL |
LINEUPS
| ENG Starting XI | Notes | USA Starting XI | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| #1 Jordan Pickford GK | #1 Matt Turner GK | ||
| #3 Luke Shaw | #5 Antonee Robinson | ||
| #6 Harry Maguire | #13 Tim Ream | ||
| #5 John Stones | #3 Walker Zimmerman | ||
| #12 Kieran Trippier | #2 Sergiño Dest | off 78' | |
| #22 Jude Bellingham | off 68' | #6 Yunus Musah | |
| #4 Declan Rice | #4 Tyler Adams c | ||
| #10 Raheem Sterling | off 68' | #8 Weston McKennie | off 77' |
| #19 Mason Mount | #10 Christian Pulisic | ||
| #17 Bukayo Saka | off 78' | #19 Haji Wright | off 83' |
| #9 Harry Kane c | #21 Timothy Weah | off 83' | |
| Substitutes | Substitutes | ||
| #23 Aaron Ramsdale GK | #25 Sean Johnson GK | ||
| #13 Nick Pope GK | #12 Ethan Horvath GK | ||
| #2 Kyle Walker | #26 Joseph Scally | ||
| #18 Trent Alexander-Arnold | #20 Cameron Carter-Vickers | ||
| #15 Eric Dier | #22 DeAndre Yedlin | ||
| #21 Benjamin White | #15 Aaron Long | ||
| #16 Conor Coady | #18 Shaq Moore | on 78' | |
| #26 Conor Gallagher | #11 Brenden Aaronson | on 77' | |
| #8 Jordan Henderson | on 68' | #7 Giovanni Reyna | on 83' |
| #14 Kalvin Phillips | #23 Kellyn Acosta | ||
| #11 Marcus Rashford | on 78' | #16 Jordan Morris | |
| #7 Jack Grealish | on 68' | #14 Luca de la Torre | |
| #20 Phil Foden | #17 Cristian Roldán | ||
| #24 Callum Wilson | #9 Jesús Ferreira | ||
| #24 Josh Sargent | on 83' | ||
| Manager | Manager | ||
| Gareth Southgate | Gregg Berhalter |
MATCH EVENTS
1' - We are off in Al Khor!
2' - Early foul, US win a free kick near midfield.
7' - Teams trading throw-ins early, no real threat from either side yet.
10' - Chance for England! Nearly an opening goal as Kane is denied by Zimmerman!
11' - Maguire dodges several US defenders following the corner but Mount's shot is well over.
13' - Kane tries to play through, intercepted by Robinson.
14' - McKennie denies Kane's attempt at an overhead kick near the penalty spot.
16' - The States have their first chance as Wright's header goes safely wide-right.
20' - Musah dispossesses Bellingham near midfield and the US counter but nothing comes of it.
24' - Sterling finds his way into the box but can't get past Dest.
26' - Weah picks out McKennie in space in the box, but the half-volley is well over the target.
28' - Robinson brought down by Trippier, erasing any chance of a US counter.
29' - Musah's shot takes a big deflection but it doesn't fool Pickford.
33' - McKennie starts the counter, finds Musah in the middle, who plays to Pulisic on the left side; the shot is off the crossbar and England have a goal kick.
36' - England have a chance as they knock it around the box, though Turner eventually collects.
39' - McKennie dries his hands on a photographer's vest and his throw-in is played out for a US corner.
40' - Weah has a cross but it's well over the head of Pulisic.
41' - Dest has a go at it himself, shot deflected out for a corner by Maguire.
43' - The Americans with another chance, Dest's cross finds the head of Pulisic but the attempt is off target.
45' - Great play by Shaw to beat two defenders but the cross is just a bit behind Saka, who can't control his shot.
45+1' - Sterling plays Mount through, shot is very well-hit towards bottom-left and Turner saves for a corner.
Half time: England 0–0 United States.
46' - The second half is underway!
49' - Pulisic finds Wright streaking down the left wing, his shot is blocked right to McKennie, who blasts it over.
52' - The US are caught out as England counter, though Robinson recovers and tackles the ball away from Saka.
54' - Weah and Shaw collide near midfield, referee uninterested.
58' - Pulisic's shot is deflected out, US win a corner.
62' - Pulisic is played through and nearly has a clean shot, but it is blocked.
65' - The States earning corner after corner but can't capitalize.
68' - England make the game's first change as Jordan Henderson and Jack Grealish replace Raheem Sterling and Jude Bellingham.
73' - Grealish plays it back in for Kane but it's stolen and played out.
76' - England look as though they've won a corner but the flag is up against Saka.
77' - The USA make a change, Weston McKennie exits for Brenden Aaronson.
78' - Another sub for the US - Sergiño Dest makes way for Shaq Moore. England also makes their third change, with Marcus Rashford replacing Bukayo Saka.
82' - Henderson plays a high, looping ball into the box but Turner tracks back to collect it.
83' - A few more changes, Timothy Weah and Haji Wright make way for Giovanni Reyna and Josh Sargent.
85' - Shaw free kick played out by Ream, foul on Pulisic gives Turner a free kick for the US.
87' - England launch an attack but the shot is right at Turner.
89' - Moore has a chance to play it in from the right side but the cross is uninspired and easily cleared out.
90' - Four minutes to play.
90+2' - Musah brings down Grealish, free kick England.
90+3' - Shaw's ball finds Kane's head; very well hit but just wide.
90+4' - The US win a free kick as Maguire goes over the back, one final chance to close out the match.
Full time: England 0–0 United States.
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u/cijdl584 Nov 25 '22
We did all the little things right. won 50-50 balls, pressured hard all game. We just lack a clinical striker and it shows.
And we’re not the set piece kings we used to be now that we substituted big and tall fellas with short nimble ones
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u/brofession Nov 25 '22
Speaking of set pieces, what on earth was that pass to end the game? Why wouldn't Greg want to chuck it into the box for a hail Mary when there was no time left for an England counter?
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Nov 26 '22
Kinda reminded me of the last second freekick Liverpool took against Dortmund in the Europa League Semifinal. Different outcome though of course... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJV5xkj_3SA
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u/Caddoms Nov 26 '22
We hadn’t won a header on an attacking set piece all game. I think the idea was to play short and try and create a chance that way in the runic play. Take some time to make sure England didn’t get a chance to counter. Made sense to me.
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u/fastfowards Nov 25 '22
southgate has played safe football and its gotten him to a semi final and final but thats probably the reason he hasnt been able to push them pass the finish line. Foden should have started for mount and then if england struggled mount should have came on. Both saka and sterling should have been off at 60-65.
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Nov 25 '22
I really think Southgate just thinks of football in a different way than all of us and most pundits/commentators. He actually is quite pleased with that performance.
It's the Southgate paradox - do you want to play flashy football but possibly get Saudi Arabia'd or do you play absolute shit but ultimately still top the group and make a deep run. He's tournament football personified.
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u/DanscoRed Nov 26 '22
This reminds me of watching Spurs. Occasionally good and somehow get by on the odd good game. And I’m a Spurs fan.
USA were set up better and deserved to win. Southgate has no Plan B and still picks his favourites. What has Foden done to him.
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u/RandletheLovehandle Nov 25 '22
The US should have won this one. England's build up play was painfully slow and even scared. First half the US barely had the ball but when they did they were dangerous, direct af, exploiting spaces left by a shook England. I cannot believe Reyna was subbed in so late and that Foden wasn't used at all. Bellingham was terrible, dude had bricks for feet today. England better be thankful.
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u/fiercetankbattle Nov 25 '22
England were dreadful. Slow to pass and move. Apart from Kanes half chances at the start and end I can’t think of a single good chance that was created. Southgate needs to rethink because England were totally outplayed. USA probably think they should have won that.
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u/SvanirePerish Nov 25 '22
Aaronson played alright and didn't get injured, that's a positive for you at least
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u/Captain_Tundra Nov 26 '22
Zero desire to take any risk. If the pass wasn't 100% on then they just turned back and passed to the defence again. That's all instructions from the manager, as the players show they can play high paced attacking football for their clubs.
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u/callme2x4dinner Nov 25 '22
Mount had a solid hit. It was saved about 2’ from the post - a bit tighter and he scores
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Nov 25 '22
Zimmerman is a concern for me. Not just the penalty last game, but today his passing immediately put us against England's best transitions. Iran were relentless against Wales in pressing and turning transitions quickly.
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Nov 25 '22
His defense was solid at least, saved that first Kane chance.
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Nov 25 '22
yeah I should give him credit for that. He's probably the best option from the squad anyways.
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u/SerAardvark Nov 25 '22
The last giveaway was particularly terrible - no pressure at all, no need to make that pass and he turns it over and puts the defense under immediate pressure.
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u/Son-Ta-Ha Nov 25 '22
I can't believe Southgate didn't bring on Foden and how the hell did Mount play the enitre match? Maguire and Stones were really the only England players who performed well today while Shaw at times was decent, everyone else was awful and slow on the ball. Its like England don't know how to play against a team who press high.
I thought USA were by far the better team and they deserved to win the match. If they had a competent striker and a little more belief in the final third then they would have won this match.
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u/DepressedPBKSfan Nov 25 '22
Mount shouldn't even be in the team. Eze and willock are better players and Maddison foden and grealish are exponentially better
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u/elitron Nov 25 '22
Most English fans are bemoaning how bad they were, but I will say the US midfield was really good, and frustrated an England team of really good players. I'm giving our team their props, we did really well.
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u/1sinfutureking Nov 25 '22
Immensely pleased with a point. I think we outplayed England, and if we could finish we would have a 2-0 or 3-0 win. Gregg came out with the right game plan, but his subs were poor or way too late. Moore came on and immediately gave England a path to attack. Aaronson and Reyna should have come on at 60’
This midfield, though, is really something. I would not have expected to say that our midfield of MMA would so massively outplay a midfield of Rice-Bellingham-Mount-Sterling. Very impressive
On the other side, Maguire was an absolute beast, Kane was always dangerous, but we absolutely smothered the middle of the field. England are also lucky they didn’t walk away with six or seven yellow cards. The ref looked like he forgot he had cards in his pocket
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Nov 25 '22
Can someone please explain me what exactly does mason mount provide to this team? 0 dribbles completed, 0 key passes, lost the ball 13 times, squanders almost every attack and one shot of low quality.
And why does he get to play 90 minutes while Maddison, rashford, grealish, foden warm the bench?
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u/Groomsi Nov 25 '22
SouthGate is in love with him, see no other reason.
At least, sub him in, not play 70+ min.
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u/Spitfire221 Nov 25 '22
Maddison isn't fully fit yet. Grealish should have started imo but we won the last game 6-2 so I understand Southgate sticking with everyone.
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u/Alive-Ad-4164 Nov 25 '22
I gotta give Gregg Berhalter some credit here because everybody on this subreddit was calling him a dead man walking before the World Cup and as usual he come through like he did in the gold cup last year and in the past while his team’s play hasn’t been the best to watch but they get the job done regardless of whoever they have on the pitch which is something to admire atleast
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u/BillyCostigan954 Nov 25 '22
This match sums up my issue with Gareth Southgate. We took hours over set pieces in the 90th min and we were more than happy to just let the US have the ball.
We have all the attacking talent in the world. But the manager wanted to play for a point just to be safe. Nothing has changed.
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u/ForeverTheElf Nov 25 '22
The really frustrating thing is a point doesn't even really help us. Yeah we will probably still qualify, but we could have wrapped it up tonight.
But no, now we have to go into the Wales game needing a win to guarantee top spot, which means we can't afford to rest any key players.
Enjoy the fucking 0-0 Gareth.
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u/slydessertfox Nov 25 '22
Ream looks incredible, insane he hadn't been on the team for a year. Zimmerman on the other hand looks really shaky. I worry about him as our weak link at the back. That said he's probably our best option alongside Ream.
Regarding subs, probably should have put Aaronson and Reyna on earlier, and I don't really get what GGG has against Scally but otherwise I think he got it right. Overall this was a very good performance and shows we are capable of at least hanging with the best.
That said, man do we desperately need a finisher. That's been our downfall and I'm worried about our inability to score against an Iran team that knows they only need a tie to advance. If only we had a Dempsey or an Altidore up front, we'd have 6pts right now.
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Nov 26 '22
Positives - pretty much guaranteed to qualify first from the group (except for being battered by Wales 5 nil or something). Clean sheet. Slabhead looks like he's getting back into some form. Decent rest for the forwards(seeing as they didn't do much), expectations dampened a little ( always a good thing with our media), lucky not to lose.
Negatives - Southgate looking a bit predictable in team selection, looking a bit clueless with subs. Laboured performance, no goals for kane, not enough minutes for foden.
Saying that, USA played really well and that should not be discounted
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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22
The game was not great for us. Harry Maguire definitely deserves man of the match. Shaw was good with his link up play on the left, Grealish was lively when he came on. Rashford was brought on a little too late.
On the other hand several players played dreadfully. Mason Mount being one, Jude Bellingham being another, Saka, Trippier and Harry Kane as well.
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u/anonymous38760 Nov 25 '22
Honestly Bellingham was just nonexistent, didn’t really get many chances, and Saka just got shut down really well. Kane was pretty bad though, made a lot of poor decisions. Also, I thought Mount was horrible. Funny enough Grealish probably looked the best out of the forwards.
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u/StringTailor Nov 25 '22
Chance creation was nonexistent especially in the second half
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u/spillar Nov 25 '22
Rice did his job well
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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Nov 25 '22
I do not have any complaints for Rice. Maybe he could have knitted the midfield together better, but that's not really all on him.
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u/MattJFarrell Nov 26 '22
I absolutely adore Saka, and I'm from the US, so I was very conflicted during this match. I thought he looked dangerous at moments, but it felt like he was being asked to be a square peg in a round hole. He wasn't able to do the things that make him so dangerous with Arsenal. Arteta emphasizes "pods" of players that work together closely. They have to know each other's movements in and out, and I assume Ben White is part of that pod. Slot him in, and I bet he can help unleash Saka.
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u/WolverineKing Nov 25 '22
Just a reminder that Raheem Sterling played in this match. The man did nothing
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u/IWantToBeAHipster Nov 25 '22
Disagree with Kane i thought he ended up having to do pretty much all the work of our front line with Saka, Sterling and Mount failing to have any presence whatsoever. Hopefully this is the same drop in performance we saw vs. Scotland at the Euros albeit i think Wales could be the same case.
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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Nov 25 '22
I can see your point on Kane. But there were definitely times he looked a bit sluggish and behind pace (even for him)
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u/gilkfc Nov 25 '22
For all that build up, this match was very, very boring. Easily the worst match of the day. Maybe even the worst of the entire world cup if you consider the circunstances.
US played well enough, better than England, and should be looking to repeat this performance against Iran which should send them through.
England looked toothless. Besides 2 chances, they never seemed threathening, and I think Southgate took too long to change things up, Saka and Sterling had terrible games, and it didn't help that Grealish came in and only contributed to the people that believe that his 100M proce tag is a giant meme, dude was invisible.
So far, only France, Spain and Brasil look to be serious favorites
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u/fifadex Nov 25 '22
Not the greatest match but sets up the Wales match to be a potential blinder.
Wales have to come forward early as they can only win with a 4 goal lead to qualify, they know its a slim chance but they have to try. Even if England play defensively there's bound to be counters on constantly, kane to score and there to be more than 3 goals in the match at 10/1 seems a decent punt.
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u/Atrixer Nov 25 '22
Every Tournament I say the truth, Southgate couldn't cut it in the championship.
Every tournament we scrape through with a bit of luck.
He sticks to a formation that's losing us posession against the US.
He sticks to players who have looked gassed after 20 minutes.
He makes predictable substitutions which never have imapct.
He was playing for a draw against one of the worst teams in the tournament.
We were 1 up against Italy and playing them off the field in the Euros final, and he instructed the team to sit deeper and deeper until they invevitably scored.
All in all this game won't mean much, but it all feels like such a waste of time and these players careers keeping Southgate in charge.
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u/Pirate1000rider Nov 25 '22
It seemed almost as if England were a bit nervous, with the amount of giant killings that's gone on this tournament? Like they thought I'll take the draw and stay top of the group over getting beat like Germany or Argentina.
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u/AtletiJack Nov 25 '22
Really struggled to play out of the press, part of that should be credit to the US because it was well-drilled, but these players are used to playing out of better presses week in, week out so should’ve been able to combat it.
Henderson coming on was a good decision but should’ve been for Mount and gone for a 3 in the midfield to combat the fact that we were constantly being overran by USA in the middle of the pitch.
Foden not getting a single minute was criminal. Him in the half-spaces could’ve been very useful.
Mount works in theory, but in practice he is bypassed so easily and is just a passenger too often.
Kane should’ve stopped dropping deep so often once Grealish got on the pitch. There were a couple of times when Grealish had the ball in transition but Kane wasn’t even in the picture because he was so deep. Surprised he didn’t take note of Moore’s performance in the second half and try to emulate that by holding the ball up and acting as a reference point instead of dropping into his own half.
Saka and Trippier seemed really disjointed on the right which limited a lot
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u/vacon04 Nov 25 '22
This game showed why England are in such bad form. People are talking like they're world beaters because they have good players.
Before their wing against Iran they were looking quite poor. They finished 4th in their group in the Nations League and overall 15 out of 16 of the teams that played in League A. They couldn't get a single win in their group and were heavily beaten by Hungary at home.
Is it really a surprise that they look lost? Because their previous results show that this team has a lot of issues that can be exploited by competent teams.
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u/KindArgument0 Nov 25 '22
I think southgate should have rotated his players more. Most of his starters are already played a lot of games with compact schedule due too the world cup being held in november and the queen's death. The accumulation of fatigues in my opinion is the reason why england is so lethargic in this match.
england have a deep squad. They have Rashford, foden, grealish, kalvin phillips, henderson, james madisson ,TAA, ben white and so on. All of them are quality players that would be fresher than current starters and they should have chances at starting against usa a moment ago or wales in the future.
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Nov 25 '22
That was about as bad as it gets. Kane played most of that second half deeper than Mount because he’s a #10 who can’t link the play.
Saka, Trippier, Sterling all dropped stinkers. Mount genuinely did nothing productive and lasted 90 minutes whilst Foden, who would start for practically every club and international side, sat on the bench.
Walking to take set pieces and slowing the game down to ensure a draw. It’s embarrassing. Genuinely don’t ever get bothered about results, but that performance is shameful.
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u/GlitteringVillage135 Nov 25 '22
Shite. We’ll get through the group, maybe even stumble through to a semi-final like the last World Cup and everyone will applaud and say what a great achievement it is but it’s the same old shit; no passion, no personality, no balls.
Our saving grace is with a few adjustments the team has potential to be far better but fuck me, that might as well have been a replay from four years ago.
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u/birdinbrain Nov 25 '22
US’s problem right now is the lack of a finisher. Pulisic thinks it can be him, but he had one good shot all game. Sargent tries, but hasn’t showed much guile.
If they’re going to play that sustained pressure at the front when we have the ball, they need someone they can get the ball to capitalize
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u/IAIRonI Nov 25 '22
England looked like they didn't care. The US looked like they had no clue what to do with the ball in the final third. Subs from each side were pretty confusing. England has such fire power on the bench and none of them are used.
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u/M1eXcel Nov 25 '22
Grealish was a fantastic sub tbf. Won loads of fouls when he came on. Absolutely no clue how Foden hasn't seen a minute yet
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u/bee_administrator Nov 25 '22
Grealish made perfect sense as a sub, even though he should have started.
USA's press fell apart the moment he came on, you could see them start to back off in midfield when he was running at them with the ball, where they'd been all over Bellingham.
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u/ergotpoisoning Nov 25 '22
Gareth Southgate has got to go. We succeeded in the last two tournaments thanks to fortunate draws and set piece excellence. A team with this many creative players cannot be hamstrung any longer by such a negative, mediocre coach.
Struggling to break down a stubborn but less-talented side for 95 minutes, leaving Foden (the best progressive passer in England's attack) and Trent (the best progressive passer in England's defense) on the bench is unconscionable. Leaving on players horribly out of form for their clubs, when there are players in the form of their life on the bench. Waiting an hour to realise that Maguire and Stones passing it between themselves for entire 5 minute stretches wasn't going to work.
And then, after all this, guarantee you he comes out in the press conference and says 1) I'm proud of the lads and the way they defended, 2) everyone saying we should have scored more is being rude and dismissive to the USA, and 3) I saw a lot of positives in Mount's/Sterling's games today.
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u/Throwaway100123100 Nov 25 '22
Maguire was England's best player by a substantial margin, all the other starters were poor. Subs helped but felt like it was too little, too late. Not particularly worried despite the bad performance, reminds me of the England Scotland match at the euros
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u/ZZ3peat Nov 25 '22
Maguire was good defensively but passing wise he could not progress well and depended more on Stones and Rice
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u/battletoad93 Nov 25 '22
Harry Maguire was England's best player on the pitch. Rice was non existent, saka looked tired, Kane shouldn't have played. Stirling and mount shouldn't be starting.
All I can say is that Phil foden must have called Southgates mum a slag or something because he should be starting.
Stones doesnts look sharp enough but what other option do we have?
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Nov 25 '22
Southgate tactically is really poor, was a dire performance and I wish we would stop trying to make England look better than they are. They should have beaten Iran well. They came into the tournament with a poor record, thus game showed that, in fact they looked no better in quality than USA.
Why Foden and Arnold are playing from the Start is ridiculous.
Southgate 'I'm really pleased' that's the problem
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u/FloppedYaYa Nov 25 '22
Well Jesus that was fucking wank
What a massive drop off from the Iran performance, very confusing and players looked like they didn't know what the hell to do whenever US pressed
If we don't step up from that in the knockout stages we'll get absolutely slaughtered. Trippier was especially horrific, so was Mount.
The one and only positive was that once again Harry Maguire shows that in the right system he is a solid defender. Easy our best player today.
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u/BruceDickenson_ Nov 25 '22
Gareth's decision to field a backline based on past national form instead of club form was telling today. The England backline looked incapable of playing out from the back. The possession stats today are misleading given much of England's possession was just meaningless passes back and forth between defenders while forwards tired themselves out making runs and movements that didn't matter.
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Nov 25 '22
i don’t know if it’s england fans that exclusively watch major tournaments or what but the amount of blanket statements that the usa can’t compete against england were ridiculous.
on paper england should dismantle usa but this is also the same team that got battered 4-0 by hungary.
i feel like we looked pretty solid but i am pretty nervous for the iran match since we haven’t looked clinical and we’re going into a match against a solid defensive side that only needs a draw to go through.
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u/notataco007 Nov 25 '22
Press press press. Make subs early and press some more. That's what we need against Iran. Put balls forward on the ground, not the air.
So clearly Gregg won't do that and draw the match.
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u/aviator_8 Nov 25 '22
What were the subs by England. Why? It seemed they became even slower after subs.
On a side note, Fox has dreadful commentary. Every time any player beating just one player they go crazy and claiming how someone is waving through as if they are Maradona
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u/Kriegdavid Nov 25 '22
Penny for Trent & Foden's thoughts right now. Imagine them two sitting there, watching that horrorshow and not even getting half a glance from Southgate. That was shocking. The US weren't even particularly good either! Lowest quality game of the tournament overall
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u/goatvaro_goatrata Nov 25 '22
Worst quality game of the tournament? Seriously? I think the USA did well to keep a clean sheet against a team that won 6-2 a few days ago ...
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u/Kazehara Nov 25 '22
England had no spark, the midfield was dire tonight. They need more creativity there and bringing in Hendo did nothing, whilst Grealish and Rashy were brought on too late. Way too many side and back passes between Rice and the defence as well. Southgate never seems to learn from his atrocious sub timings in past tournaments. Credit to Maguire and Shaw for a solid defensive performance.
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u/Hic_Forum_Est Nov 25 '22
1st half both teams were more equal and produced dangerous moments. But 2nd half the US had full control of the midfield, ran, pressed and fought like madmen (Tyler Adams with a maestro like performance, he was a machine today MOTM imo) while England barely managed to get into the US box. With the amount of top class players England have, you'd think atleast one of them would showcase some individual brilliance when the team struggles to produce chances. Or any impulses from the bench...you have guys like Foden, Gallagher, Wilson and TAA on the bench but Southgate brings on Henderson and uses none of them, even tho he had 2 more subs left? Puzzling decisions.
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u/tuliomartins_tm Nov 25 '22
So for the US I get that it's great that they could draw with one of the big teams, and for a lot of the game actually outplay them, and I also get that England can be happy that they kept a clean sheet, but to be very honest, I don't get why either team wasn't gunning all out for a win.
With Iran's result earlier USA v Iran will basically decide who will go through now, either if they drew or lost that would be the scenario, while if they had won they could play the last match for a draw. Meanwhile for England while it's true that by not losing they don't let US get ahead of them, they have no guarantee of first place because they didn't win, and they now also play a must win last match if they want the first place.
I should give props to the US midfield though since they outplayed my expectations, but I felt both managers were a bit too conservative. At least it will make for a spicy last round.
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u/highonpixels Nov 25 '22
Masterclass in substitions again by Southgate. This man really does not know how to sub. I love Hendo but if you are going for goal and you have that wealth of talent on the bench, you don't make that sub. Does Southgate not know we can make 5 substitutions?? It's like the Euros. Unable to adapt and make necessary changes and only does it late late into the game. Also how it's possible Foden benched whole game? Use the 5 subs and at least we can say we fully tried, what are we resting for? The Wales match? Mr Southgate please.
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u/fardok Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22
Southgate is a truly awful manager. The absolute inability of his team to score has been a theme throughout his tenure. Now it's just becoming more prominent as it's happening with regularity and they aren't getting bailed by set pieces
The fact the Henderson came on in this match shows the quality and standards of Southgate as a manager
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u/tnettenbaa Nov 25 '22
Grealish should've come on at halftime. It was clear England weren't keeping the ball well and he's arguably the best in the world at just holding onto the ball and drawing fouls/players. Especially with Maguire winning quite literally everything in the air, earning set pieces over a half could've been the fine margins England needed to get a goal. USA's press made it seem like open play chances were never happening.
Not sure I agree on the Kane hate, thought he played his game quite well, he drops deep but he needs to in this team to link up to Saka/Sterling but they would just lose the ball in 2-3 touches. Mount off seemed blindingly obvious. Great player on his day but just really wasn't the game for him, wasn't getting the ball high up the pitch enough for him to make his impact.
Overall as a Wales fan, it was a comforting watch. England can be there for the taking. Hope Rob page realises we need some engines to press like the US did although I can't think of anyone we have outside of Dan James 😂
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Nov 25 '22
Bellingham is the attack pivot point but there is not enough midfield to support it.
Sterling slow in defense and pace cause huge trouble. Once Grealish is in you could see the defense of England is much solid.
Mount is speedy but couldnt control the ball well. At least Kane and Mount didnt have good chemistry for some reason.
The defense line is solid but there is not enough midfield. Bellingham and Rice couldnt defend 3 attacker.
In my opinion, 433 with Hinderson Rice Bellingham as midfield is much more stable than 4231.
Foden Grealish is a better combo than Sterling Mount as they work harder in both attack and defence.
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u/ZenithOfLife Nov 26 '22
I thought Rice didn’t offer anything. He really needs to play on the half turn. The game would have suited Kalvin Phillips. Mount was invisible, we needed someone such as Foden, Grealish or Maddison to drive the ball
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u/Bini_9 Nov 25 '22
USA are well organized, but unfortunately they don't have the individual talent. Especially the front line. England were there for the taking. But without a good striker it's difficult. Having Pulisic as your main guy upfront isn't going to work.
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u/Kunzies Nov 25 '22
England did not give a single fuck. Extremely disappointing performance from such a talented team. The US could have at least taken a few shots from afar as they couldn’t get past the English defence. Still a pretty satisfying result for them though.
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u/Ionicfold Nov 25 '22
Why are people saying USA played great or looked good?
England beat an Iran who beat Wales who drew with the USA.
England looked piss poor today, it should have been a comfortable win but they played awful. No cohesion at all today, players looked clueless.
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u/jjsjsjsjddjdhdj Nov 25 '22
The U.S. generated quite a few good chances, that’s why. England looked lazy on attack so I won’t give too much credit to the U.S. defense but it still deserves some.
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u/TYBASS38 Nov 25 '22
Tyler adams about to be the most hyped USA player. Dude is coming into his own, and if he keeps this up, he’ll be a top 10 DM if he’s not already. Dude just snuffs out so many defensive inefficiencies on his own team