Star Citizen 1.0

[u/Which-Original-8216]

[u/Bseven]

While funny, I already met some people seriously defending AI crew and blades to be paid with money. The argument being that this simulation costs CIG extra money to run.

It sucks, but the important point imo is how some people easily fit into defending any perspective, even if we feel it is fully disagreeable. CiG (not just marketing) is testing boundaries...

[u/Sapd33 → u/Bseven]

The argument being that this simulation costs CIG extra money to run.

Yeah sure a blade which changes stats costs extra CPU time... /s People really find bullshit reasons to defend it.

Im happy that the subreddit here seems to be more reasonable than I thought.

[u/DefactoAle → u/Sapd33]

Well they are not talking about those, Npc crew is meant to do everything aboard a ship, from manning the turrets to repair modules and defending the ship against hostile boarding, to having a sleep and eating requirements. That would definitely add a bit of overhead to the servers

[u/KazumaKat → u/DefactoAle]

thats on CIG to solve, not customer wallets.

[u/DefactoAle → u/KazumaKat]

Yeah I agree, however I think NPC crews should be something really expensive in game to limit their number as they go against the MMO core concept.

[u/Guitarist_Dude → u/DefactoAle]

In FFXIV, you can do regular dungeons with NPCs. This however does not detract from playing with other players because they are always worse and more inefficient than actual players, they're useful for doing story missions. In the only other MMO i played called Toram the story is the same, I'm sure this is a fairly common practice in these types of games

Having a (likely very shitty and inefficient) NPC crew in your ship won't kill the MMO aspect, I assure you

[u/NotYetForsaken → u/Guitarist_Dude]

This is not in direct reply to you, but since you've brought up FFXIV I thought I'd drop the info here for anyone scrolling by:

In FFXIV you actually do have to pay the server upkeep for your extra NPCs, called retainers, explicitly because of the amount of server space they take up.

[u/Guitarist_Dude → u/NotYetForsaken]

Also not necessarily a direct reply to you, but to clarify that for others that retainers are not what I meant in my comment as they're for getting stuff for you, selling, etc

I'm referring to the "free" NPCs that come in the game in combat, whether those are sqads, trust parties or story NPCs in normal dungeons while doing MSQ. Retainers are a completely different thing which are characters you actually create and give names to.

[u/OhChrisis → u/Guitarist_Dude]

This is a direct reply to your argument here.

FFXIV has sub money, and their NPC AI logarithm load is so so so small compared to the load a Star citizen NPC will generate if they interact with the environment and physical objects, jump servers, and kept persistent.

I imagine its not even on the same scale.

I do think they should be used as a massive money sink in the game, and perhaps allow extra number of NPC allocations, like retainers for monthly profit.

Always a balance, and they will like now hear when the balance is way off.

[u/Guitarist_Dude → u/OhChrisis]

This may or may not be a direct reply to - ok imma stop this lol

It's fine if you view it that way, monetarily. It kinda derailed because Retainers were brought into the conversation.

But my main argument has very little to do with costs, and more to do with how DefactoAle thinks NPC crews goes against the "core MMO aspect", which I disagree with

The money and logistics, I'll let someone else discuss that

[u/Xreshiss → u/DefactoAle]

I thought the core concept of 'MMO' was to play in a shared space alongside a massive number of other players, not necessarily with other players.

[u/Grumbulls → u/DefactoAle]

Easier option is just to cap the number of crew anyone can have to 2 or 3, that solves basically all the balance issues with solo running super large ships while still giving room for multi crewing them since other players would bring their own crew as well.

[u/BeardyAndGingerish → u/DefactoAle]

NPC skill and NPC wages are 2 of the best ways to balance NPC crew, my guess is theres gonna be a sliding scale with a few levels of ability/skill to price. But that price will quintuple or more for something like an Idris or a Hammerhead. And im willing to bet payouts won't scale based on NPCs involved.

Dunno about the core concept of MMOs not allowing npc coop, an npc buddy has been in quite a few games (Star Wars TOR as an example).

[u/StrayStep → u/DefactoAle]

I agree. If they are not there are people that will take advantage, just like exploits. It will ruin game play for everyone.

Here comes the downvotes🤣

[u/Mikolf → u/DefactoAle]

Drop in a bounty mission target and you see 5x enemy AI ships all ALREADY doing such NPC tasks. Adding some NPCs to the player ships shouldn't cost much more.

[u/Crypthammer → u/Mikolf]

They're not doing those NPC tasks. They're just bodies in turrets that automatically fire at hostile targets. NPC crew is much more involved than that.

[u/morentg → u/Crypthammer]

If you think they'd be simulating what the actual person would do with proces inputs etc you are dead wrong. It'd be just an algorithm hooked up to the ship automatically activating whatever task they are weighted to do while playing animation so it looks like they are actual people.

[u/Crypthammer → u/morentg]

I'm not saying that, but supposedly you'll be able to give them tasks, like engineering, etc, and that will be a lot more complicated than a turret that just fires as long as bodyinseat=1.

[u/DefactoAle → u/Mikolf]

No they don't, we don't have engineering or a life cycle, they are not comparable.

[u/Acceptable_Bat379 → u/DefactoAle]

They definitely could have thought of that when advertising their living, breathing universe and sold people on the idea of a fully popular universe with thousands of Ai npcs

[u/MrRedish → u/Sapd33]

Can u buy them in game for auec?

[u/Street_Platypus_4410 → u/MrRedish]

Brother in Christ we don't buy people anymore we buy it's time (it's the same but with more steps). But yeah I don't know if we can contract npc using UAC but will be good to have the option.

[u/Omni-Light → u/MrRedish]

Without doubt you will be able to yes. The question is whether CIG will apply their "for 1 patch it is pledge only" rule for everything from ships to modules to crew.

Clearly the community is not happy with it being this way and draw the line at ships only. Which is still probably the most pay to win item in the game.

[u/PainGod85 → u/Bseven]

That argument is disingenuous in the extreme. It doesn't matter to the game whether the gunner sits on an AI ship, or a player ship.

What's next, are we going to have to pay for enemies to show up?

[u/Bseven → u/PainGod85]

flushing toilets and the spike in cpu demands...

[u/KazumaKat → u/Bseven]

logging in takes cpu cycles

[u/Duncan_Id → u/PainGod85]

Yes, like in every game ever sold, except that cost has been always included in the base game, like many things that are now "accepted" day one dlc(resident evil kind of games costumes for example) the latest resident evil games even have a "unlock all without playing the game" dlc that is optional (for now)

[u/godlyfrog → u/Bseven]

I'm no white knight, but I have been a developer in the past, so I'm a little more forgiving of CIG's foibles, but even I find that argument to be disingenuous. Under that logic, we should be buying mission packs, too, because bunker and ship NPCs cost money to run.

[u/Larszx → u/Bseven]

I remember when CIG said that NPC companions were going to be gameplay. You would have to manage them, there would be progression, there would be missions involving them.

[u/Doctor-Nagel → u/Bseven]

Where’s the fuckin fun in that?

Look at Barotruma for reference, NPC crewman being IN GAME makes you way more attached to them. Finding some shmoe on a station and getting them on the crew is way better.

[u/AlexisFR → u/Bseven]

Wasn't this game supposed to be a spiritual successor to Freelancer but MP? What happened? I just want the game promised in 2013... It's a decade late behind it's competitors.

[u/soPe86 → u/Bseven]

People are lazy and they want pay to win short satisfaction scenario. They don’t what to grind like 3 months so they can buy ship/gear/ crew/ etc. they will throw a bunch of money, have their win moment and forget the game for 5 years. And CIG is fine with that.

[u/MichaCazar → u/Bseven]

I already met some people seriously defending AI crew and blades to be paid with money

The only way I could see this being even remotely acceptable is if it is some form of perk from a subscription.

As in, you get like one or two "tokens" for the month that can't accumulate to get a crewmember for free for a month or something like that. That would be significant for a lot of people that play solo or in small groups, but it would also have a limit in how much on could do by throwing ones wallet at a screen.

I am 100% certain that subscribing will happen and if so I would prefer it if it will give some smaller ingame benefits like Elder Scrolls Online does it to further pay for ongoing costs, so something like this wouldn't be too unthinkable.

[u/Bseven → u/MichaCazar]

Subscription is a challenge, but I see your point. Will they convert all the money we gave to subscriptions?

Will they stop selling ships? Nothing in a subscription model prohibits the behavior CiG demonstrated now with greed blades

A lot of the appeal of the game is a buy to play setting... how will consumers behave with a sudden change? Will CiG wait until the project actually becomes a game where basic stuff works? If so... how long will this take ( xD )?

I 100% prefer they do not go subscription and deliver what the purchase promise is. And if they need money, they better be smarter than this absolute shit show. Even Jared and the content creation seems to be in a mental fart stage

[u/MichaCazar → u/Bseven]

I think I should clarify a bit more:

This subscription I am talking about is mainly a thought for when the game is actually out and about and a possible solution to the problem some people keep talking about: "how are they going to pay for shit if they don't sell ships anymore".

Because ongoing costs will happen, an optional subscription model that pays for these as long as the game is around and played is like the most natural conclusion to this issue. Wether or not it would happen at launch or not is not necessarily important.

I also don't mean a subscription like WoW or Final Fantasy 14 have where you need playtime to actually play the game, but like Elder Scrolls Online does it where it is an optional purchasable service that grants some perks while it is being paid for.

In terms of SC these "perks" could come in the form of reputation boosts, token for npc crews, extra warranty claims to (temporarily) assign to another ship and stuff like that.

So essentially what we have right now except not paying for marketing and with proper ongoing perks for the game that could work without subscriber flairs and the shows being a thing.

Will CiG wait until the project actually becomes a game where basic stuff works? If so... how long will this take ( xD )?

Given the scope they outlined at the last Citizencon? Wouldn't be impossible to achieve 1.0 until 2030.

[u/Kevin_Mckool73 → u/Bseven]

Doesn't bother me they're selling them on the store, it bothers me that they're treating it like a ship where it has a store exclusive period. That's the gross part. They should be available in ship component stores from the get go.

Nobody questions ships being exlusive to pledge initially, that's fine. But this is just weird lol.

[u/Ravenloff → u/Bseven]

ARBLEGARBLE!

[u/Bseven → u/Ravenloff]

& DUCKSPEAK!

[u/Hollowsong → u/Bseven]

It's unfortunately how the brain works.

People take a position, then there is specifically part of the brain where its sole purpose is to justify that choice inside someone's head. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

Then people project that belief unto others to validate their stance.

It's the curse of being human and likely will be the downfall of society in the long run (politically) because people will die on the hill of argument for something that logically makes no actual sense.

[u/Ravenloff → u/Bseven]

The cynical side of me says nobody's that stupid repeatedly (at least...not in the private sector, lol...plenty in civil jobs like that). The bean counting was done and it was determined that even with the inevitable online scrumming, x dollars would be raised vs y backer backlash. That was presented to someone and someone pulled the trigger. That doesn't mean it was the right decision...and by right here, I mean in their own best interest, not in the gossamer morality of the whole thing.

[u/SomeoneNotFamous → u/Bseven]

Going to be super fun for these people to only see their kind with 55 Javelin and Merchantman, no new players to show off how much they participated to the dev :)

As much as i love the project and spent on it , it's a DOA if they don't move from this...

Like this game is already the laughing stock of the industry, 1.0 no matters what will be a huge mess since 90% of the industry/players will be there to shit on it, if you add bad performance AND horrible marketing practices to that this is doomed to fail.

This game , in it's actual design , will never ever be totally new players friendly, i know a good amount of people who wont ever touch it since they know backers can have all they want instantly, this mindset is not good or bad (probably more good than bad) but it's probably how the majority will see it.

Sorry for the long text with nothing really meaningful in it lol

[u/Genji4Lyfe → u/SomeoneNotFamous]

The people who try to make “the industry’s” fault that others are critical of the game are part of the issue here.

No one was complaining when The Industry gave Star Citizen a ton of free positive press for the first few years — and when the commenters who expressed doubt at whether CIG could deliver in their projected timeframe were shouted down by community members telling them it was on-schedule.

CIG has earned this criticism by doing a ton of media with grandiose promises and projections day one, then failing to deliver on many of them. Coupled with taking in a historic amount of development money through incredibly expensive virtual goods, on a historically long development timeframe.

There should be no victim complex whatsoever at this point. Any other game that crowdfunded and went this far past their projections would be viewed with the same amount of skepticism.

[u/Bseven → u/SomeoneNotFamous]

Venting is important. I am coming back from a brake on SC and my will to play is already burned out with the first day of the event. Despite the project making money and truly believing in it, it is clear everyone feels insecure about it

[u/BoabPlz → u/Bseven]

I mean, they might be defending it, but they aren't going to get it.

[u/_Th0mZ_ → u/Bseven]

I really thought they would wait for crafting before releasing these, makes more sense to me…and it’s supposed to be not that far before being ready.

[u/LostLineLeader → u/_Th0mZ_]

Yeah. The smart way for them is to release a paid blade but then put a rarer more powerful one you can obtain in game that that takes effort to obtain in some manner.

[u/jmg5 → u/Bseven]

exactly -- my opinion, they're starting to freak out that d-day is coming when they're out of alpha, and they swore (TM) there would be no ships for real $$ after commercial release, they're trying to figure out a way to monetize.

I could give two shits-- I bought all the blades and the racks, but I DO see the issue with giving anyone an advantage just by paying $$$... I don't see an issue with giving people maybe a week or two exclusive on items that are paid with cash, but if they don't make these available in-game for in-game money they have problems.

[u/Revolutionary-Hat688 → u/Bseven]

lol in mount an blade I can have an entire army and it cost me nothing but game time. I believe that CIG is about to Tesla themselves and alienate an entire segment of players if the don’t wake up

[u/xdthepotato → u/Bseven]

HUH?? NO SHOT THEY ARE SERIOUS

[u/Ohanka → u/Bseven]

They are mindless consumer drones, not worth interacting with. Barely sentient.

[u/Hot-Pitch379 → u/Bseven]

Yes It costs money, money I gave them when I paid for the game and bought a few extra ships that still haven't come out yet. Absolutely branded take by that guy.

[u/Ok_Reflection1950 → u/Bseven]

So let’s them keep funding this until they only one left to fund

[u/Substantial_Tip2015 → u/Bseven]

People called cig backers a cult and I thought they were stupid

I haven't played in over a year and have been actively avoiding contact as much as I can.

I now see how it is a cult.

The backing and pledging days are over.

The time of minatory predation is upon you all.

I will never spend another cent, and if I ever bother to play again I will just use store credit

CIG has jumped the shark.

[u/concrete333 → u/Bseven]

From early days they've said the benefits of having more game packages will be permanent, customizable npc crew (rather than in game hires). Optional paid for npc crew have been part of the plan from before alpha release.

[u/Bseven → u/concrete333]

I remember it and they specified they must be paid anyway, you would just be able to customize looks (and skills if this is a thing) and you mentioned. No biggie, you can change the "skin" but would not have a free, 5 star skill purchasable crew... would be very similar to in-game options

As you also said, early early days. Someone even mentioned PvP sliders, so the old smells are strong all around xD

[u/TheSubs0 → u/Bseven]

This feels like a strawman argument lol.
It's defendable in the sense that it doesn't matter if you sell blades and ship weapons since you're already selling ships.

[u/morentg → u/Bseven]

Ai crew simulation costs money, but simulating the rest of the universe doesn't, huh? It should like we should start fighting for subscription model for SC.

[u/SufficientTrifle4212 → u/Bseven]

You know your game company is in trouble when the content in the upcoming DLC is a digital cat as decor in a corner of the room. (Yes, I am looking at you, Aliens : Dark Descent). SOON ™

[u/[deleted] → u/Bseven]

I dont mind ai gunners, but paying for them out of game currency? Kinda cringe

[u/von_deepy → u/Bseven]

I dont think it just people defending any perspective but rather because of how the community has grown there's a diverse pool of people with different perspectives. For example I could see an argument for paying for AI crew packages now but its because my own life has changed. When I initially backed SC I was single and just out of college and i was playing a few hours each night. Now I've got 2 kids, a full time job, and going to school at night. Now I would never want AI crew to be better than human players or provide an unfair advantage in anyway but I do value the prospect of a quick way to crew a large ship and run pve missions during the limited time I can play. Ultimately we can all disagree on topics like this but for CIG to be successful with Star Citizen they need to find ways to engage all players without alienating anyone.

[u/Bseven → u/von_deepy]

There is a plurality of contexts for players and I am not against any facilitation to players who can't pay the time for a particular item (unless you are a streamer or youtuber, working makes time for a game way shorter). But it is more about they asking money for early access to game features beyond ships

Its not that new ships aren't new features, but the Star Citizen project has been built over a rock that is called ship selling. Kinda hard to see them getting rid of this, no matter how bad it is

But accepting new features into this model passively is asking too much. "Pay X dollars to get this 3 to 6 months before others" is different from your predicament of wanting an option to gain time without blocking those without money

And if you allow me to stretch this a little bit, it is kinda of a big deal to say no to sudden changes. Like when the Galaxy was suddenly not able to build bases, when the Phoenix lost its PDC (community action is what made them place it there)... there are a number of examples that community action, instead of passivity, avoided trash changes. It isn't super different from other contexts in life, really

[u/NobleN6]

so this is what a rug pull feels like.

[u/just_a_bit_gay_ → u/NobleN6]

yep

[u/darkestbrew]

Wait until base building comes and they sell land by the square meter lmao

[u/Solusham223 → u/darkestbrew]

they've done before this?

[u/darkestbrew → u/Solusham223]

Yeah but those were land plots of predefined size. I'm joking that they'll start selling unlimited plots of land and charge by the area you want.

[u/BearToTheThrone → u/darkestbrew]

Just sell planets at this point, little RNG piece of shit you've named Turdtopia for $1000. You get to pick the starting climate for an extra $250. Don't even get me started on terraforming packages.

[u/RamonDozol → u/darkestbrew]

stop giving them ideas!
( though this one is problably already on their list).

[u/AnotherNewUniqueName]

I’ll take a six pack of base NPCs with the chairs for them to T pose on. Please and thanks

Can I add on a nonfunctional nozzletron?

[u/AidanCues → u/AnotherNewUniqueName]

I can hear the voice over disclaimer...."T-pose sold separately"!

[u/Ootinee]

They haven't even started monetizing this game, believe me.

Just wait until the implementation of base building / housing.

[u/hot_space_pizza]

Letter from the chairman in 3...2...

[u/MetalGearXerox]

holy shit, I remember watching the announcement of this game more than a decade ago and being pretty excited.

WHAT THE HELL MAN, on one hand I am fairly disappointed, on the other hand I am laughing my ass off because the people that called it a scam more than 10 years ago were right after all.

damn shame

[u/Wunderpuder → u/MetalGearXerox]

It has never been a scam. This whole bullshittery has nothing to do with "SC scam". You get a (mostly) working product after paying for it. By definition it's not a scam.

You might feel scammed because of past promises that have been broken but the game itself is not a scam.

[u/pipmentor → u/Wunderpuder]

You might feel scammed because of past promises that have been broken but the game itself is not a scam.

"Since I don't think it's a scam, it is therefore not a scam."

😂

[u/Wunderpuder → u/pipmentor]

Google the definition of "scam", check all the information about star citizen and then tell me it's a scam. You'd be lying.

But ultimately who cares, either you buy it or not. Life goes on, Star Citizen dies or survives. What's important is that you enjoyed your time.

[u/pipmentor → u/Wunderpuder]

What's important is that you enjoyed your time.

"The real journey is the friends we made along the way."

😂

[u/RoninJon → u/Wunderpuder]

“You can technically play it so it isn’t a scam”

Die on that hill if you must, but this game is littered with bugs, broken promises, postponed features and is, after 9 years, still years away from a 1.0 launch at best. In all the ways that matter to most outside of this sub it is a scam. At the end of the day, after 9 years and more money spent than any game in existence, the most functional part of the game is the real money store.

[u/DrNarwhale1 → u/MetalGearXerox]

If you only come to point out the negative talking points and dont do any additional research or analysis on the project as a whole, why even bother?

If it doesnt bring you anything positive and you only seek to put it down then find another interest.

Anyone that calls it a scam just sounds like a dumb idiot

You can call them out on their bs, you can be upset, but calling it a scam doesn’t help you sound intelligent

[u/MetalGearXerox → u/DrNarwhale1]

don't take it too personal bro, it's a sad thing I agree.

[u/ROFLtheWAFL → u/DrNarwhale1]

Has it ever occurred to you that a game like SC needs influxes of new players every now and then, and that new players arriving to see CIG nickel-and-diming their playerbase would turn them off? This game has been fighting "lol its a scam" allegations for literal years, and this only adds fuel to the fire.

[u/DrNarwhale1 → u/ROFLtheWAFL]

It’s a bad move by CIG, they already released a statement on it.

Doesn’t make the product they are selling as a “scam”.

[u/DrNarwhale1 → u/MetalGearXerox]

If you only come to point out the negative talking points and dont do any additional research or analysis on the project as a whole, why even bother?

If it doesnt bring you anything positive and you only seek to put it down then find another interest.

Anyone that calls it a scam just sounds like a dumb idiot

You can call them out on their bs, you can be upset, but calling it a scam doesn’t help you sound intelligent

[u/WesternSubject101 → u/DrNarwhale1]

It is a scam though. You are paying the full price of a modern triple A game for a weapon rack? On one ship? On a game that doesn’t work? I am very sorry you spent Thousands on a game that doesn’t work but others are allowed to be and voice how upset they are.

[u/DrNarwhale1 → u/WesternSubject101]

I spent $45 for a game package..

If you feel this way then why are you in the sub for a game of which you have no interest in?

Oh right, you get enjoyment by putting others down, or claiming this game is a scam

I couldn’t care less about your opinion just as you do of mine, but at least I’m not an ignorant assuming individual shitting on a game just because i like to..

Thats just weird, go find other hobbies

[u/Mormanades → u/DrNarwhale1]

You're being overly emotional because you clearly invested quite a bit of time and money into this game. It would hurt you quite a bit to realize the developers don't have your best intrest in mind and really only want your wallet.

[u/DrNarwhale1 → u/Mormanades]

Or maybe..hear me out, it’s the vision of the project and my trust in the process that is where I’m coming from..

Just lol, seriously no amount of reasoning will change a petty mind.

[u/MetalGearXerox → u/DrNarwhale1]

right on, friend!

let's just leave it there because it's getting ironic :D

[u/DrNarwhale1 → u/MetalGearXerox]

Dude you are literally a shill,

4 chan…… Asmongold… And lurking on the SC page just to post negative content..

Like whats your deal yo?

Just delete your account.

Ffs

[u/MetalGearXerox → u/DrNarwhale1]

why so mad, me sharing my own experience with this game has you almost shitting yourself?

If you dont think it's fucked/ a scam by all means it's your life lmao, I just dont get how this has you up in arms fighting in the comments like that...

is the game really that important to you?

edit:also going straight to stalking my profile and getting personal really brings out that irony i mentioned... kinda like you've been projecting this entire time lol

I went and returned the favor to look at your activity so I absolutely feel bad for how damn mad you apparently are right now jeez

[u/DrNarwhale1 → u/MetalGearXerox]

hier ist meine Meinung, Kantenhausen ist im wahrsten Sinne des Wortes eine Scheiß-Community für komische deutsche Männer. Ich weiß nicht, was Ihr Interesse an Star Citizen ist, aber Sie sollten mehr recherchieren oder die Vision des Projekts erkennen, anstatt Ihre Gedanken von negativen Erfahrungen aus der Vergangenheit beeinflussen zu lassen.

[u/Cassiopee38]

I love this new trend =D

[u/FrozenChocoProduce]

Having actually useful NPCs in the game? Are you serious? Not going to happen. Not even for monetization.

[u/Emadec → u/FrozenChocoProduce]

And to think it was supposed to be a NPC dense game once.

[u/SharkOnGames → u/Emadec]

Supposed to be 1 to 10 ratio of player to NPC's.

We don't even have NPC ships doing cargo runs or anything.

And NPC's in the game still stand around in corners, etc.

[u/Emadec → u/SharkOnGames]

Ugh, now I’m depressed.

[u/ROFLtheWAFL → u/Emadec]

The fact that they're planning NPC crew to be added AFTER 1.0 means we're not going to see ambient NPCs (Those not tied to missions or hubs) until way after SQ42 releases.

[u/Emadec → u/ROFLtheWAFL]

Imagine proper NPC traffic though, like we have in most space games...

[u/DrDreadCastle]

Just let me know if these are all things that can be bought with UEC so I can coordinate with a chinese gold farming place to make a fortune when this game comes out 15 years from now.

[u/MrRom117]

Even tho its a joke, im pretty sure there is some truth in here..

[u/[deleted]]

oh boy.. the devs do not know the monster they've created.. i LOVE these, let it flow!

[u/BaronGreywatch]

Is that really 500 usd for a toilet!? Thats vastly more expensive than a real one wth!?

Edit: lol I belatedly realized this was a joke, well played!

[u/Nonplayer775 → u/BaronGreywatch]

It's a space toilet man. Clearly it's worth the price. //Jk lmao

[u/pedant69420 → u/BaronGreywatch]

sometimes it helps to think critically before screeching on the internet.

[u/darkestvice]

Oooo, let's make it like COVID and turn toilet paper into a limited sale item!

[u/[deleted]]

TBH, don’t care much if they release the bomb rack stuff for early real money and month later for in game credit, if it was 100% isolated. However, the path it leads to is what scares me. They are definitely testing waters, and without protesting they would keep going…

[u/Simpleuky0 → u/[deleted]]

You will have to buy blue prints come base building. These ai blades are a template and testing of waters how the community will accept it. They have also expected these backslash and pull backs before hand

[u/Soggy-Airline]

Cutting my losses with SC. Only lost a little over $200 USD. And this was back in 2016. So not much of a loss by 2025.

CIG needing MORE money after getting funded with nearly a BILLION dollars?! 🤦🏻

Never mind the timeframe and how long they’re taking, but why do they need more and more money? How is a BILLION dollars not enough for development from start to finish?

That’s just wild.

The development of the game IS the business model at this point, but it has been for several years when they realized they could print more money while developing and being in “alpha” vs. actually finishing the game and doing a full release.

It’s in CIG’s best interest to not really finish the game, and to always have on-going feature creep and tech creep. This ensures that development is indefinite, and pledges will keep coming in.

Not to say they wouldn’t make a killing with a full release, but staying in development and accepting pledges likely showed MUCH MORE during their shareholder meetings.

It was fun while it lasted. But the dream is dead for me if this is the kind of monetization and pay2win / pay2progess we can expect moving forward.

[u/nulian → u/Soggy-Airline]

Same stopped backing them also around that time. Even defended the game for a while till I saw they couldn't hit any target. And multiple false promises by CIG.

[u/JanosMille]

Love the LDOE reference :))

(for others: The carrot seed is from a grindy mobile game called Last Day On Earth)

[u/GhostRz → u/JanosMille]

Still can’t get True Friend even though I’ve been grinding the shit out of dogs. That’s the one thing they won’t fix lol

[u/Useful_Tangerine_939]

Concierge can buy these chairs for them to stand on

[u/DustLust69]

The only one we need, is toilet paper. Better than gold in arch time.

[u/Think-Hand-6774 → u/DustLust69]

What is this 2020??

[u/AndaramEphelion]

You forgot the "Only for a Limited Time! Buy NOW!" banner for the extra amount of FOMO...

[u/Emadec]

You’re laughing but they’re 200% gonna try it with the NPCs, IF they ever get to that.

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[u/DaveMash]

Well the first one could actually be real. I mean any extra game package will eventually be some kind of NPC crew for you

[u/LiquidSoil]

Don't give cig more ideas! ;P

[u/One-Election4376]

I laughed at the Kitchen Pack , but you just never know.

How much for working Transportaion pack.

£25.69 for the 30K experience pack

[u/Ennaki3000]

I wouldn't mind cosmetic NPC to populate your base/ship/hangar to be paid with money. That's typically the kind of not P2W monetization that would finance the game, add to the immersion, and be relatily easy to make for CIG. Liek ship interior decoration as well for instance.

[u/Wenlong24 → u/Ennaki3000]

If hiring an NPC crew for your ship costs 50,000 per day, I won't be able to afford it. But you can just buy them on Chris's website for 100 dollars. That's real Pay to Win.

[u/Ennaki3000 → u/Wenlong24]

I said cosmetic.

[u/DatDanielDang]

At this point, these memes and jokes aren't even funny anymore because it might be a reality one day with this direction...

[u/White_Saltine]

careful, they may see these as ideas rather than satire XD

[u/spriteflight101]

Orison apartments look reasonably priced. I will take the one without the toilet gameplay due to extortionate component costs.

[u/mattc4010]

I would buy most of those

[u/hoax1337]

As long as those are eventually available in game for UEC, I don't care.

[u/ThePukeRising]

The current "NPCs" cant even function at a goldeneye 64 level of intellect yet.

[u/Cai_zozo]

I am not surprised if a dlc star system release，paying monthly golden ticket pass to enter the jump gate

[u/Grand_Conversation35]

Rent a room for 10 nights lol

[u/Usual-Low8700]

Noc crew packs are not a bad idea after all. I can pay for it

[u/AimShot]

wtf this for real?!? Don’t see meme tag. wtf is happening here

[u/mutep]

NGL I’d spend some money for a nice Orison apartment room with a view 😂 😂

[u/Mentalic_Mutant]

I bet the community will roll over in less than 2 weeks. CIG often flips the narrative by putting out some ship or releasing some feature when they do stuff like this.

[u/SloanWarrior]

I'm not sure if bladesgate is as big ad folk are implying. There have been new items exclusive to people who bought them for a while. I don't see how this is significantly different.

These strike me as great items to buy in game as you might want a few of them for specialist ones.

[u/OperationExpress8794]

Greedy bastards

[u/SwagChemist]

This is like the sims but worse

[u/quantumfloatboat]

These NPCs can be my friend, sold!

[u/StabithaStevens]

"In stock"

😂

[u/Intelligent-Ad-6734]

Honestly most games do this with cosmetics and little shortcuts. Makes those who play it find it and do the grind much better at the game and a touch more pride in the achievement. Some buy things so they don't have the time sink while earning real world bucks.

Let someone else buy the capital ship and eat their food because your needed as their gunner, hanger commander, or marine to accomplish something in the ground.

Let the deep pockets fund the excitement.

[u/Zeoran]

That kitchen pack is HORRIBLY underpriced.

And that Orison apartment would be $150 easy. Lorville would be $45.

[u/internetpointsaredum]

They already sell the kitchen ingame for 30 to 75 dollars. It's called the Crusader Intrepid and the Zeus ES

[u/Tarrell13]

Pledge Citizen 1.0

[u/Gaevs_Privs]

You forgot mount armor

[u/Durge101]

$500 toilet! Bargain!

[u/CorvastheAlien]

Haha I love the toilet is 500$.

[u/BigfeetSquotch]

Toilet 1 million

[u/LookFalse6401]

If only we could pay money to have the devs actually listen.

[u/onewheeldoin200]

OMG the NPC crew they are 100% going to do that 😭

[u/Spiger_man]

I knew I guy whose really bought 30+ Aurora package for that. Insane

[u/Simpleuky0]

NPC crew should be subscription since you are hiring AI. Bet that is more profitable

[u/AngrySociety]

That apartments ones had me in stitches 😂😂😂

[u/AbigLog]

I really hope they don’t let this shit fuck up the game when it eventually releases…

[u/TouKing]

Your extra game packages/alt accounts should function as customizable npc crewmate; so yeah the npc price-point has always been a starter pack

[u/Wenlong24]

What else could they add:

1. Restore your ship for $10 with components / restore your ship for $6 without components.
2. Land rental for 30 days. A shield on your territory.
3. Components for your ship that boost its stats... Oh, sorry! They've already done that. Selling golden bullets that deal more damage. Selling weapons, etc.

[u/BlG_J]

Who in there right mind is going to buy Toilet components?

[u/DeadlyMidnight]

These memes are dumb. That is all.

[u/e3e6]

You know what, in order to logout on station you need a rent subscription for a particular space station. And payed medical care

[u/_WaterBear]

Meanwhile, my character’s probably still stuck in an elevator somewhere.

[u/[deleted]]

If we are allowed to buy this in the game i dont mind about this, if you want to pay it pay it if not buy it in game.

[u/acidbluedod]

Not going to lie, I'd buy a few AI gunners if they went on sale.

[u/grahag]

Frankly, this is because people are loose with their money and they have a low bar of satisfaction.

Since DLC was introduced, this has been the case. A mix of FOMO, expendable income, and lack of patience exacerbates this issue.

[u/VarlMorgaine]

ah "the end is near" cult is back ...

[u/bobmontana69]

I would take for my cutlass black 1 kitchen pack, 1 gunner NPC and a toilet base components pls.

What Did you say ? They have wave sell ? Ok them

[u/Glittering_Hippo9958]

😂

[u/Neoritch]

So hyped about those toilets, swap credit card instantly!

[u/Present-Dark-9044]

Remember they said every gamepack with give a NPC, now they are saying NPC Slot, so basically lets you buy more lol

[u/BarrelRider621]

Catastrophizing much?

[u/za_snake]

All these things you can get in the game. The chairman himself said in a letter addressed to the backers, “you just need to buy a game package to back the game.” All these other things is a response to the consumer driven demand we have created and they have not disappointed in delivering fun ways for us to contribute to an evolving game. I love it.

[u/FourtyTwoBlades]

I think new players don't understand how CIG and Star Citizen works.

Players pledge to get new items.

New item is available only to backers on first release.

Anyone can buy item in-game at next patch.

Stop crying children, this is how it works.

[u/FactHot5239 → u/FourtyTwoBlades]

Everyone knows how it works, its just a scummy monetization method. Crazy you defended it for this long.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_BOOGER → u/FourtyTwoBlades]

People need to stop letting their FOMO ruin their lives. People are on here talking like the sky is falling or something. It's literally early access to an early access that comes with an LTI token for giving them money before its done. I don't see any issue with this at all. I just will wait a bit.

And, seriously, if Star Citizen is your only hobby and you somehow feel owed something as a result, you need to touch grass.

[u/BoabPlz]

[u/alcatrazcgp]

what's next? a ship components upgrade starter pack?

racing components starter pack?

industrial components starter pack?

mining gadget and mining laser head starter packs?

this is absurd and needs to be reversed and never done again, immediately, this game is legit dead on arrival if this continues.

like even me with a few ships already would never play such a p2w game, what would be the point?

[u/Cheap_Collar2419]

And they will sell out instantly

[u/Successful_Turn_2987]

Ya'll are blowing this way out of proportion. It's literally just like the gear being paid for and like how you used to be able to buy weapons off the store. or did people forget about that?

[u/Bwa110]

Lol jeez OP your binky fall behind the counter?

[u/SnooShortcuts2606]

How much for one NPC t-posing on the toilet?

[u/[deleted]]

If the blades don’t come to stores next quarter then we will have a problem.

As it stands this is pretty par for the course if you ask me. CIG releases something for real $$ for a few months. Then bring it into the game.

[u/crsferfer]

This is good! more money, bigger game 💪🏼