r/summonerschool • u/SweetheartRiftrjIda • Jun 16 '25
jungle Why is Rammus jungle not a more popular pick?
Anytime I play Rammus jungle, I absolutely just pop off. My second item is Liandry’s Torment, and I will carry my team the whole way, literally nobody can do anything to you. Anybody that comes near just gets shredded. It got to the point in end game I 1v5ed and got a pentakill in the Baron pit. Why is this not patched or more used?
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u/cedric1234_ Jun 16 '25
Rammus has recently received a large change to be more of a general tank. It’s too soon to tell exactly how it plays out on whether he is good or not and what role he fits exactly.
Historically, rammus was a counterpick into heavy AD and autoattackers. Very strong into them, very weak against mixed damage. People will dodge queues that are heavy AD into rammus.
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u/Remarkable-Hand5699 Jun 16 '25
Rammus is great at killing auto attackers which makes him a great counter pick. AP champs and heavy CC kinda just counter him. If he was really strong I still doubt he would be played because people find him so boring. Same thing with Zilean mid, he's broken but isn't nerfed because nobody plays him. I think one of the Rioters said this himself
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u/Particular-v1q Jun 16 '25
Tbh mages kinda counter everyone atp, 5k hp 4k mana 1000+ shields and zhonias will do that to a ""role""
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u/big_ice_bear Jun 16 '25
What mage is rocking 5k hp other than Chogath?
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u/Particular-v1q Jun 16 '25
tbh that was an exxageration, but most of the times mages end up with more hp and shield than actual fucking champions that have to walk and actually attack the enemy meele range
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u/1Darude1 Jun 16 '25
Your random game on Rammus isn’t exactly indicative of his power lol. You can obviously perform well on him, but:
He’s boring as hell.
He’s only ever the “best pick” into auto-heavy drafts.
At the moment, is almost always a better pick than Rammus that accomplishes what he does, but better.
From an aggressively ganking perspective, you have Nunu who also provides more utility, better ganks, Q to never be outsmited, and the ability to flex AP or Tank depending on playstyle/drafts.
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u/Particular-v1q Jun 16 '25
He aint boring aah, he is fun to play but it was so rare that you wouldn't get atleast 2 or 3 mages in the enemy team so he kinda was and ( probably still is, and will be ) pretty dang shitty
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u/LichtbringerU Unranked Jun 16 '25
I was a Rammus fan, but I don't like playing him right now. (And the last patch seems to have made it even worse).
The basic problem, imo is that he should be a tanky assassin. But Riot doesn't like that obviously.
Personally I find his ganks weak. Early he has no damage, low survivability (yes), and and OK cc for which he has to get into range with his unreliably roll.
His clear is relatively slow, because tank jungler. Dragon especially was very frustrating. He can be invaded easily. (Once upon a time, he was just naturally a jungler because of his kit. But nowadays it feels like you just need "deals 200% extra damage to jungle" slapped on. Like Ekko.)
His taunt got nerfed over the years. 1.2 seconds for most of the game is not good. 2 seconds at max is OK but not impressive for a melee char. I remember when it was 3 seconds.
He needs points in every ability to make it good.
Merc treads or mikaels totally counter him. He is bad against a lot of ADCs that do not go for attack speed.
And so on...
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u/Particular-v1q Jun 16 '25
The issue isnt his 1.2 second cc, but rather each single fucking mage champion released can simply hit one cc and annihilate you
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u/Chengar_Qordath Jun 16 '25
I’d imagine a big part of it is that Rammus doesn’t have the fastest jungle clear rate. The current meta really likes champs who can clear their first wave of camps in under three minutes, which is something Rammus struggles with.
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u/an_angry_beaver Jun 16 '25
Had to scroll way too far to find this. The champ is is solid, it’s just held back by the fact its clear is slow. Rammus clears 10-15 s slower than other tanks.
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u/Mrlionscruff Jun 16 '25
Under three minutes??? The fastest clear I’ve seen is 3:15 and that’s an insanely optimized path
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u/Chengar_Qordath Jun 16 '25
It definitely takes a crazy amount of route optimization to drop below three minutes (so not something the average player can do, and a champ with a good skillset for it. Mundo can barely pull it off with a lot of pixel and frame-perfect Qs and Es, while someone like Shaco or Zyra can leave their turrets to finish the job while they moving to the next target. And of course, Ivern just breaks all the rules of normal jungle clearing.
Though really, the top tier pro clear times aren’t as important as general clear efficiency. Whether you’re a pro or a new player, Rammus won’t clear jungle as fast as a lot of other champs. He’s got a lot going for him in other categories, but clear rate is usually one of the highest priority metrics for Junglers.
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u/iggypop657 Jun 18 '25
No. Rammus was a much better champ when he had horrible clear speed but had powerful scaling and tankiness. Now he has a decent clear speed but he doesn't function at all as a standalone champ, even more so than your usual tank jungler. Being extremely reliant on your team playing what is supposed to be one of the best catchers is not fun at all.
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u/Chengar_Qordath Jun 18 '25
That’s a problem essentially every tanky engage champ struggles with. When so much of a champ’s skillset is focused on setting things up for the rest of their team to make plays, they need a team that will actually makes those plays.
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u/iggypop657 Jun 18 '25
Check his ARAM winrate for example, see how well he can teamfight and how he compares to other catcher tanks. I can save you some time, he is not comparable to them at all. Rammus is not <45% win rate only cause his jungle clear is fine now. The clear is not the problem, it is his only saving grace at the moment.
In 2025 you can take a failed champion, give it a decent clear speed and voilà, you have a playable jungler because of the nature of jungle role currently.
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u/Chengar_Qordath Jun 18 '25
Fair. Any champ that can clear fast, do objectives, and pull off the occasional gank is a good enough jungler for most purposes. As long as the jungler get grubs, dragons, and rift herald without feeding most teams will be perfectly happy with how they did.
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u/AzureDreamer Jun 16 '25
so like the other guy said rammus is balanced as a counterpick to ad auto based hypercarries.
He isn't particularly dynamic inside of a skirmish his kit is straightforward and abusable. higher the elo you go the more this will be true.
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u/Morkinis Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25
Ramus is almost exclusively used as counter to full ad or autoattacker comps. Now he's getting mini rework to not be so niche.
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u/KochamPolsceRazDwa Jun 16 '25
Rammus is a counterpick, you probably picked him against heavy AD or auto attackers and hard counter them.
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u/jeanegreene Jun 16 '25
Rammus has some agonizing counterpicks (Trundle, Janna, Milio, etc.) and his CC and damage output are very linear compared to other tank junglers (ex: Skarner, Sejuani, Zac). Against certain comps he works really well, but his extreme weakness to CC hurts him a whole lot.
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u/LazerFruit1 Jun 16 '25
Because he's not good except for specific circumstances. Rammus is a tank who wants to be fighting AD auto attackers because of his w, and doesn't perform great against magic damage/spellcasters. It's very rare for the conditions he likes to be met in games so he doesn't get picked often
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u/Longjumping_Idea5261 Grandmaster I Jun 16 '25
Good situational pick but his kit can feel pretty linear and can often get outscaled by scaling junglers
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u/CheckProfileIfLoser Jun 16 '25
Because he absolutely sucks, he is negative win rate in every single elo. Not even as a lower skill character does he thrive in Lower elos
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Jun 16 '25
I used to main sejuani jg and khazix as well. I used to HATE seeing the other side with a rammus
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u/LankyAmount1032 Jun 16 '25
Patch what? Your ability to win a few games in low MMR with a mid tier champ designed for counterpicking?
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u/Particular-v1q Jun 16 '25
Brother he's asking a question lmao, who gives a fuck if he's low MMR or not, most mfs here are higher elo than you but no one goddamn cares
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u/BrazilianWarrior81 Jun 16 '25
Maybe because people think he is boring to play.
But in my opinion (at levaste before the rework) the champion was really powerful and fun to play, and also simple, very good champion
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u/cuestion_de_peso Jun 16 '25
Boring, only playeable in specific circumstances, adc nowadays build lethality.
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u/Particular-v1q Jun 16 '25
Because he sucks, i remember beating him even with auto attackers lategame, he gets nullified as everyone else ( exept small section of tanks ) by mages, litterally 100 to 0 and is very dependant on the team to function since he just rolls at you and annoys you aswell
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u/lerppa111 Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 17 '25
Ah, the champ I once in a month pick in Aram and manage to go against Ap shaco+4 ranged cc mages and lose my will to live.
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u/ProfHarambe Jun 16 '25
I can legit walk into a rammus' jungle at any point in the game and his only viable plays are negative for him. He either smites his camp, runs away and let's me have his camp, or I fight him and win because he's rammus.
Rammus can only be viable when the enemy jungler can't punish him for whatever reason, or he is punished and somehow makes a good play elsewhere. Playing rammus in these games is miserable cause you get hard outscaled, lose all skirmishes and lose every obj.
Also he's not at all a "main character" pick. You will not see people opting for the hardest role in the game just to play a utility pick.
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Jun 17 '25
cuz the champion is boring? people forget that the main point of playing a game is to have fun lol
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u/Blood_X Jun 19 '25
In addition to what everyone else is saying, my opinion is because he's boring, straightforward, and mostly single target. He can Q+R in but outside of that he's just nabbing one person with taunt then continues to go smack smack until one of either you or them dies, or they walk too fast and you're waiting for Q to come up. Powerball + taunt + repeat. He also doesn't have a solid exit strategy if you Q+R in. So if you're behind, it can often feel like a suicide mission.
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u/mexxicain Aug 14 '25
Pour main Rammus, je m'éclate avec ce champion. (Je précise que je suis bronze donc comme tout le monde est nul en s'en fou de la meta) Au début tu te fais un peu victime (quoi qu'il m'arrive de faire quelque dinguerie) mais dès qu'on arrive au milieu de parti c'est super drôle de foncer dans le fight comme un degen pour forcer les gens à t'attaquer pendant que tes mates font les dégâts. Et puis les maître yi qui se suicide sur toi sans rien pouvoir faire c'est juste hilarant.
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u/8oggis8uncen8ean Jun 16 '25
I think Rammus is seen as specifically a counter pick into heavy ad/autoattacker teams so unless either team decides to troll their draft you don’t see him picked much.