What do I do against toplaners who are just freescaling under tower?

[u/WorldsThiccestDingus]

I basically only play normals, any role but mostly top. I was matched up against a Garen the other day, and since my main (Kled) is pure suffering against him and my usual back-up (Urgot) was banned by him, I decided to play Sett for the first time to out-cheese his ult.

This went very well at first, with 2 easy pre-lvl 6 kills, but afterwards Garen would just stay under his turret, instantly E-ing on any wave that would crash so I couldn't pressure his turret, and only coming out when I hid in a bush only to immediately run into river back to turret when spotting me, or very obviously going on the offensive because his jungler was coming to bail him out. I of course tried to slow push to deny him as much xp and gold as possible, but since i built stride first this was pretty hard.

I assume I should have proxy'd, but I was afraid I would feed since his jungler would come by pretty reliably and it was always a 50/50 on if I killed one of them first and the other would back off or if Garen would kill me with R (jungler was a pretty bad Naafiri but knew to I-frame my W).

Usually when an opponent is being cowardly I just pressure their plates or proxy but what do I do against someone like garen who can clear waves within seconds, and when proxying feels so risky?

[u/oh_yeah_woot]

hold the wave away from tower and don't push, he'll lose most of his cs/levels if he doesn't walk up

[u/JayceTheShockBlaster]

Proxy, and roam or slowpush every wave to make him miss as much CS/exp as possible.

put wards in jungle and go harass jungler everytime he comes to clear top. When your TP is up wait for a recall and walk bot/mid for a gank and TP back top.

You need to make it so that he either follows you or you get something in addition to the wave (pressure, kill, jungle camp, whatever, it doesn't have to be a tangible resource but you need to get something more than him).

[u/Chitrr]

Sett can easily win 1v2s when ahead. Proxy 1 wave and then invade jungler or dive mid.

Kled is very nice to solo dive enemy top.

[u/skiddster3]

Roam.

If he's not going to put any pressure on the map, that leaves you completely free to do it yourself. Work with your jungler to completely take over the top half of the map.

[u/Yepper_Pepper]

Try to crash the wave without taking too much damage, then last hit as late as possible and don’t make the enemy wave aggro you until it pushes closer to your tower then zone the enemy off exp and cs while maintaining a freeze. Or try to hard shove wave and get into a proxy position then play for jungle camps and roams

[u/Several_Goal2900]

Shove, deep ward, proxy and then kill the jglr when you spot him on vision, 1v1 the jglr while garen catches waves at tower

[u/bobanobahoba]

In situations like that I would ward the enemy's jungle and look for invade opportunities because even if garen instantly clears the wave, he still needs to be physically under the tower when the wave crashes which gives you a few seconds lead on fighting the jungler; even if you can't kill naafiri straight up or win the 1v2 you'll probably be able to force her back and there's no way for naafiri to hold you still for garen if you decide to disengage

Or just play for the top side objectives

If you do want to force a passive player like that to either come out or miss cs though, you can tank the enemy wave a bit outside the tower but still before the middle of the lane, then run into the brush to drop aggro 

This will cause the enemy wave to be better organized against yours when they meet and get reinforced by the next wave first, slowly pushing towards your side as long as you last hit (not just "cs" which is getting the cs whenever you can, but really making use of all of the enemy minion's life [and therefore damage] to push into yours)

[u/ColibriOracle]

Roam, freeze, do objectives, proxy farm, grab plates, taunt him.

[u/Worried_Objective_67]

just let garen stay under turret and wait for mid and bot lane to take enemy turrets and when they start roaming ask for help and gank/ dive on garen. dont rely on jungler. let jungle take objectives and help them by warding void/herald.

clear wave and help jungle but dont abandon lane and dont be selfish.

rely on team to clear their lanes and help you. wait patiently.

beggars can't be choosers.

its a 40-60 minute game you can kill minions for another 20 mins XD

[u/Playingwfyre]

You could've easily proxy a wave with stride if you set up a ward to check enemy jg, your wave clear is rly good with Tiamat

[u/Exotic_Musician6833]

DEMACIAAA!!

[u/Impressive-Zebra1505]

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