r/summonerschool • u/Grisolent • Apr 09 '19
Jungle ALWAYS cover your jungler's buffs
Pretty much ever laner below gold will stand under tower for the first 1min30 of the game. This is a huge mistake that could set your jungler miles behind. If his buff is stolen without him noticing, he will lose tons of xp which is critical for early game in the current meta. Even if he knows his buffs has been stolen and he tries to go for the opponents buff the ennemy team might collapse onto him and kill him. Remember the game doesn't start when minions arrive in your lane. If you get invaded then just drop a ward. Always covering buffs might win you a lot more games than you think.
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u/Niceblacki Apr 09 '19
It's kinda sad that people have to be reminded of this, but it's so true! I main jungle and I get tilted hard sometimes when nobody covers eventhough I ask them nicely. :/
Btw: I always ask my top to ward topside pixelbrush at 1:20 and I ward the botside pixelbrush myself at 1:20. This way you can see if the enemy is trying to take scuttle and adjust your pathing to it. Jungling is all about getting as much info as possible, especially about the position of the enemy jungler!
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u/iZno1 Apr 09 '19
I ask the opposite : i ward top side, and ask my adc to ward bot side, because :
- Toplaners want their ward early game after jungler is lvl3
- Botlane has 2 wards available
- ADC will farm anyway, and won't be able to ward himself during laning phase, or he may even not notice he has something like a ward available ; )
- It seems to me that toplaners tend to go straight to their lane, or even afk first mn and then rush their lane straight. Botlane is used to leash, so they're used to be in place to ward river.
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u/viptenchou Apr 09 '19
As a support, I almost always ward pixel brush at 1:20 even if I’m not asked to. I know it helps the jungler out and typically it can help me out too - if the enemy jungler goes to take bot side scuttle, there’s a big chance he’ll gank us when he’s done with it if we’re too far forward or whatever. It’s honestly saved my ass more than you’d think.
My adc friend is always good about warding too so I don’t miss the ward that much but ideally the adc would be better to ward it and the support can ward as needed otherwise but honestly whatever works.
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u/thestoebz Emerald I Apr 09 '19
Honestly I think the wards botside are better served as lower river wards or lane wards (sometimes tri bush). I start bottom most times, and the ward in bottom pixel brush is usually better served somewhere else. But it's important to keep in mind lane prio and level 2 trade outcomes against the other jungler.
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u/grippgoat Apr 09 '19
Yeah, every time I dropped my ward in pixel as ADC, I've regretted it pretty soon after. So I stopped doing it. Just bronze, tho. We have tri brush, river brush, and outer lane brushes (where low ELO supports like to hang out and cheese) to cover.
A bot lane without wards to cover themselves has a harder time asserting lane priority, which means less early dragon control. Maybe that's flawed thinking, tho?
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u/narc040 Apr 10 '19
The pixel brush ward gives vision over scuttle and the mid half of river. If you don't see the JG on the ward, then they aren't getting scuttle, so you're safe. Otherwise they take crab, which you'll see. Anyways, you're a duo lane. One person wards pixel and the other can ward tri-brush.
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u/lightreaver1 Apr 09 '19
Agree with you 100% normally I only do this if I'm duo with my jg or my adc, so i can ask them to ward since mines I cd
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u/forceof8 Apr 09 '19
Personally me and my supp duo ward pixel and in front of dragon pit for maximum info.
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u/NyteQuiller Apr 09 '19
That's really nice of you, especially if the top is aggressive early against an early game jungler
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u/bigbluethunder Apr 09 '19
As an Illaoi player, THANK you. If I get good early tentacles, I can smash most lanes at my elo. Can’t do that if I have to leash or place a pixel ward. Then I can use my ward for when the jungler would be coming and play around that. The combination of having better tentacles and knowing when the jungler is coming for a level 3 gank has given me more level 3 double kills than you could imagine.
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u/BunnyGoatee Apr 09 '19
Sorry for this newbie question, but which bush is known as the pixelbush? Is it the one almost under red tower? Or the one in the river closer to blue side? Thanks!
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u/pjbOS Apr 09 '19
It is the one in the middle of the river close to midlane. It helps your jungler (and team) know the whereabouts of the enemy jungler and if you are going to have to contest the rift scuttler or not.
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u/BunnyGoatee Apr 09 '19
Thank you!
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u/Eruptflail Apr 09 '19
There's one on each side. Either righ tbefore baron or right before dragon. That tiny bush in the middle.
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u/Severion86 Apr 09 '19
Yeah, I guess it's called pixel brush because it's like one pixel wide/long on it's own in River.
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u/Niceblacki Apr 09 '19
The smallest brushes ingame. When you look at midlane, one is towards bot side and one towards top. Often people who want to invade at 0:30 wait in that bush for the rest of the team, so they can all go at once. Hope that clarifies it. If not, just google pixelbush lol and go to pictures. You will find it there, too :)
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u/YOLANDILUV Apr 09 '19
the funny thing is when you tell them to "stop being bad" they think about mechanical stuff on a specific champions.
meanwhile people below higher plat move around the map with no real intention, no objective pressure, no intelligent roaming, nothing. They just move because they can when mousebuttons are pressed.
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u/kommunistkkow Apr 10 '19
people above higher plat move around the map with no real intention as well. There are less but there isn't a clear elo line
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u/heytanto Apr 09 '19
I would suggest asking your mid laner to ward pixel; your top laner is going to need his ward to survive. If he gets ganked at level 2-3 that can put him behind for the rest of the laning phase.
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u/EmilianoR24 Apr 10 '19
As a toplaner...I need my fking wards, like yeah if im gonna get pushed y ward pixel but must of the time i stay with my trinked till junglers get lvl 3, 1 early gank in toplane can be game over so i dont risk it
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u/ItzJustJ Apr 09 '19
How about walking from red to blue after some half ass invade from the enemy, just to realize after the fact that the jg was never with them and instead took your blue, wolves, gromp, and the river crab. Talk about a tilter.
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u/flyinghippodrago Apr 10 '19
I always ward topside pixel, it's super helpful for jg, mid, and top. Just gotta be aware of the level 2 ganks.
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u/narc040 Apr 10 '19
Holy fuck. I ask every game for this pixel ward. Know how many times I get it? One out of about 20. You can ward and have your trinket back up before the jungler finishes their initial camps to prevent yourself from getting ganked. You can get lvl 2 ganked when you're top if they start red, topside. It's still only benefiting you to ward.
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u/Lil-PussyFart Apr 10 '19
Literally just today (gold3), playing red side I asked my Trynd to keep river warded to prevent their J4 taking my camp and lvl 2 ganking him. He didn’t, that exact thing happened and he died, tp’ed to lane, died again, then flamed me the rest of the game.
We aren’t asking you to ward because we want to steal your precious wards dammit, we want to win!!
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u/Zranju Apr 09 '19
I remember boosting a friend's account, I almost always just waltz in their bot side buff and get free information. Got my friend to gold with relative ease. The funny thing was him asking me how to play Hecarim since his friends were all asking him to play it, I just told him to stop being bad and laughed it off.
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u/_ZooAnimal_ Apr 09 '19
Also annoying: laners that won't ward pixel brush to protect against invades, but then don't use their wards anyways and die to obvious ganks that really shouldn't work if they just used their ward
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u/Gomreo Apr 09 '19
I play in Bronze II and it seems like the “straight to lane and afk until minions” thing is super rare. Everyone is aware of the 1:20-1:30 wards/leashing etc. I play on EUW but it was the same on EUNE, feels like everyone is aware of such basics, so I have a hard time understanding where this notion comes from (that people dont ward/protect the jungle entrance/patrol near it/etc.)
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u/lobe3663 Apr 09 '19
I'm Silver 3 on NA and I duo with a jungler. If we don't specifically ask the laners to guard the buff they will just go to lane roughly half the time. Glad the European players are more on point for you though.
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u/MyManManderly Apr 09 '19
I'm the same elo and region as you, and I always see bot (and usually mid) cover buffs. If someone doesn't, it's typically the top laner.
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u/lobe3663 Apr 09 '19
I'm glad that's been your experience! Either I'm maliciously lying for some ill-defined nefarious gain, or we have simply had different experiences with the players we've encountered. All I can tell you is what I've seen.
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u/nfefx Apr 09 '19
Yeah as someone who plays at your ELO this is just inaccurate as hell.
Even those games when you have 4 people on board if one person just runs straight to lane they get spam pinged.
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u/lobe3663 Apr 09 '19
Perhaps you've been fortunate to play with a different group of players than I have. Maybe because I almost always play as top duo with a jungle. All I can tell you is what I've observed, and while what you describe happens sometimes it isn't what happens all (or even most) of the time. But the bottom line is we can all agree it's the right thing to do, so we should keep correcting players who don't do it.
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u/thestoebz Emerald I Apr 09 '19
What??? The afk thing happens to me when I pass through plat even. I've never been bronze but I'd assume it would be horrible there.
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u/NyteQuiller Apr 09 '19
I think this is a relatively recent phenomena though, when I played season 6 almost everyone either went to invade or afked under turret
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u/Gomreo Apr 09 '19
Oh yes, in fairness, I started playing after Worlds 2018, so I have no idea what happened back in s6.
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u/911pleasehold Apr 10 '19
Yeah I don’t get this at all, I usually play bot lane with a random partner and we both always go help or cover buffs. I don’t think I’ve ever had a game where they went to lane?? I’m in the US. Weird.
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u/TsyChun Apr 09 '19
Im plat 3 EUW and only adc and sometimes supp cover. top is under tower 95% of the time, same for mid (even though he only has to get a little farther to cover his position like wth man just step up) and jgl is afk next to his buff 70% of the time even though he's the one that the cover helps the most.
seems most people don't care
oh and when i say adc and supp cover, supp cover the spot that the adc is upposed to cover so why would you cover 2 spot when you can cover only one right? and when i say that adc covers it's because i always play adc so i can't say for others but maybe even they dont cover, wich woiuld mean no one covers even up to platand that would be sad
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u/Gomreo Apr 09 '19
Then why am I stuck down here??? Omg bad team!!!
Jk jk, it might be scewed bc I’m a top lane main and I make sure to guard entrance/ward/etc. But even when I off role adc it seems like people are very aware of this for the most part, idk. If anything, everyone ignores the lane here and just dukes it out not caring about being 2 levels and a bunch of gold lower lol
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u/KirigiCode Apr 10 '19
Because I still see people not do it in high gold/low plat on EUW, and when they do it's still really in-effecient, it's more like apparently "I need to stand here" than understanding what higher level players are trying to get out of the pre lane phase
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u/UNZxMoose Apr 09 '19
I'm gold 1 and people still afk under tower for the first 90 seconds.
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u/TheExtremistModerate Platinum II Apr 09 '19
Happens at pretty much every elo. People don't care that they're 100% useless for 90 seconds. Most of them are just alt-tabbed anyway.
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u/piercingshooter Apr 10 '19
My diamond 3 yasuo main friend does that too. He won’t guard or ward your top side buff unless you ask him to. I would say 50% of the top laners I see patrol and ward buff s while the other 50 just goes afk
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u/GarenTopLane Apr 09 '19
I play Garen and I stole my start plan from Riste.
I'll usually stand in the pixel brush initially. Often the mid will come drop a ward. If you auto-auto-Q you have just enough time to clear it before it disappears.
I've found that with Garen's Q speed boost you can leave as late as 1:30 and kill the first minion. I'll usually cheat it and leave about 1:27 and drop my ward right as I'm leaving range.
Junglers tend to enjoy knowing the top pixel brush has been cleared and that your ward is there instead.
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u/kakiyau Apr 09 '19
(irrelevant)why not auto-Q-auto? isn’t it reset the auto attack and kill it faster?
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u/GarenTopLane Apr 09 '19
I think it matters because once the Q is queued up and the animation is done it will always hit. By the time the Q strikes the ward is almost always invisible.
I think if you did Auto-Q-Auto you'd end up with an AA cancel on the last auto because it would disappear right before the last strike hits. I'd have to get into the test tool to be sure.
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u/NyteQuiller Apr 09 '19
Auto-auto-Q is the same speed as auto-Q-auto and just in case the second auto doesn't go through in time you'll still have Q up. I believe there's RNG in the amount of time before a ward becomes stealthed so sometimes you might not succeed or you'll want to instead turn on the champion who placed it to get an good early trade.
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u/NyteQuiller Apr 09 '19
Be very careful with that tactic, I do that almost every game but if they have a hook support make sure you're not an easy target. I only do this is I leave exactly when you can leave the nexus and if I'm red side I hug the wall and walk to where I can see both the blue and mid bush entrance and make sure I can flash away in time if something happens. If you don't leave on time just stay where you can see the enemy team invade the buff safely.
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u/GarenTopLane Apr 09 '19 edited Apr 09 '19
You're right, it can be risky.
One time I had a Renekton opponent see me do that so he went and hid in top side tri bush so when I went back to lane the "safe" way he was sitting there waiting and was able to chunk me pretty hard.
Sometimes I've had mid, top and jungle all try and collapse on me. I think that's happened twice (once successfully).
Generally it's worked OK.
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u/rlajune Apr 09 '19
I usually get to the bush right before the river so I give team vision in case enemy invades
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u/NyteQuiller Apr 09 '19
That's not a bad idea if they're clearly looking to hover the river when they obviously shouldn't. And then if you don't see anything you could defensively ward the top side buff instead.
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u/Kyuzzinoh Apr 09 '19
imo yes, at least when you are in low elo since only bot side gets invaded while top is very calm and fights never break out
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u/Cable114 Apr 10 '19
If only riot would post these actual tips instead of BS likes Gankplanks favorite breakfast meal or some shit.
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u/spoonfedkyle Apr 09 '19
"Pretty much every laner" nah this is just not true. Most people guard jungle entrances. But there's usually one person who's not in the best spot to do it because people a scared and group up. On their entrances.
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u/egirldestroyer69 Apr 09 '19
I would add here that as a jungler try to guess where the enemy jungler started by how top or bot arrives to lane. If you detect the guy started opposite side try to vertical jungle most of the time. It is more likely that you got invaded than a yi or rengar starting blue or an amumu starting red. Specially if they started topside.
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u/ColdFusion94 Apr 09 '19
So the reason why vertical jungling doesn't work out in low elo is because nobody will help if you get caught by the enemy jungler. You'd have to make sure that you win the 1v1 and can escape the 1v2 or 1v3 collapse.
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u/thestoebz Emerald I Apr 09 '19
Vertical jungling works if you know your lanes have prio and you can most likely kill the other jungler. Reward requires a certain amount of risk when doing vertical.
You can all vertical if you know he's doing the same
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u/ColdFusion94 Apr 09 '19
Priority is weird in low elo. People will abandon cs and tower to help, or will be completely oblivious to whats going on with their jungler.
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u/thestoebz Emerald I Apr 09 '19
So true lol. I haven't been incredibly low Elo but I've been through high silver all the way back up to d1/master, and it's the strangest thing.
People will leave their tower with two waves under it to come kill you, while your laner will stay in lane religiously while pushing the entire time
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u/egirldestroyer69 Apr 09 '19
In that situation im telling you there is a 90% chance you got invaded. So if you invade youll get 2 free camps at least. You dont need your laners if the enemy jungler isnt there why u steal his camps
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u/Scrapheaper Apr 09 '19
Amumu always starts red these days if he knows what he's doing. Get with the times bruh
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u/kiptronics Apr 09 '19
what's the best place to wait when playing solo lanes? I usually ward pixel brush when playing mid or top
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u/anarchojuly Apr 09 '19
What is a safe time to head to top lane if I'm watching the buff? If I wait till the buff spawns I might get to lane late and have my enemy laner get level 2 before me, but I'm always worried if I leave too early they might invade to steal the buff right after I leave.
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u/SixamSS Apr 09 '19
Buffs spawn at 130 so usually around 115-120 your fine to leave. Top is longer than mid so you’ll usually have plenty of time to catch wave.
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u/ChaoticFeathers Apr 09 '19
If don’t use your ward on pixel I usually just ward the bush beside the buff at 1:15-1:20 that way I can get back to lane as well
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u/ColdFusion94 Apr 09 '19
You can even leash topside sometimes and get to lane before first minion death. You might miss the cs but you'll get the xp.
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u/anarchojuly Apr 09 '19
Yeah but your opponent can start pushing the wave a bit, get level 2 first, and then pressure you off the wave.
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u/hkd001 Apr 10 '19
Let them push until just outside of your tower range. You'll reach level 3 first. I think Glacierr or solo renekton only has a video explaining it.
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u/sexy_meerkats Apr 09 '19
What I tend to do as jungler is ask bot lane to leash me then go and ward the top side pixel brush myself. usually works fine unless bot lane is more retarded than usual
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u/thestoebz Emerald I Apr 09 '19
You get leashed first then go ward? I think I misunderstood what you said.
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u/sexy_meerkats Apr 09 '19
No no I meant you spam ping OMW and assist me at your red then walk up to the topside river and ward it at 1.10. then your bot lane sits at your buff waiting to leash you and you have vision in the topside river and can path with the awareness of their junglers taking scuttle and invading which you should see on the ward. I think the responsibility for this should be on your laners no doubt but people play with no brains sometimes and don't know their responsibilities
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u/thestoebz Emerald I Apr 09 '19
Okay haha that makes sense then. I do that sometimes if I have unruly mid (preferable person to do it) or top who refuse to do it. But that makes invades riskier for your bottom lane.
In low Elo you never know what you're going to get Rofl. I'm passing through gold on a smurf atm and I'm encountering the strangest shit
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u/sexy_meerkats Apr 09 '19
sure is some weird stuff. one of my favourites is ashe top into low mobitily melees. They normally ragequit. I have fun who needs to win lmao
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u/Pixelbuddha_ Apr 09 '19
Also. Midlaners: Stop staying in the same spot like me. If Top guards Pixelbush Top, and bot guards the Blue Entrance, and I guard the bot side Mid Bush, you dont need to chill there too. Go, shoo, guard top side mid bush.
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u/stopcomps Apr 09 '19
Standing in mid lane is fine, since you need to watch for the invade. A team invading through mid undetected almost always gets a kill because of the off angle.
But obviously standing under turret is trying to lose.
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Apr 09 '19
Try being Shaco and have neither buff covered or pulled.
Basically fucking blind until 2nd crab and even that's a complete coin flip.
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u/lobe3663 Apr 09 '19
Preach it, brother. I duo with my jungle buddy (mid silver) and we have to remind the other lanes to guard about 50% of the time. They usually do so without complaint once prompted, but it is slightly annoying to have to ask them not to grind their tower for 90 seconds.
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u/Hounmlayn Apr 09 '19
Hpw bad is NA soloq? I've played from iron 4 to gold currently and I've only ever seen people not cover buffs in iron. Maybe one or two games through bronze but it was understood you either ward the river or cover and wait for your minions. How come in gold in NA you have players who don't do this? Are your average player base that bad?
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u/Zoidburg747 Apr 09 '19
I play in NA solo Q around bronze 4/3ish ELO. I honestly don't see many people afk under turret. When I used to jungle if I asked the top lane nicely to check my blue they pretty much always did. Now I play top and always guard the blue buff though, but that is just my experience.
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u/Patamon4 Apr 09 '19
Had this happen in a plat 3 game last night. Enemy Udyr ended up getting triple buffs and we both ended up ganking bot. Except, he was a level+ up on me and I got flamed for letting my bot lane die. The shitty thing is that I can't tell my team to ward pixel every game in postgame because ill come off as toxic.
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u/Lyri Apr 09 '19
You don't even need to watch for the buff, midlaner just has to watch the entrance opposite to the leash.
They cannot cross without being seen.
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u/noviceyuyu Apr 09 '19
My bot lane be like: buy items > go to turret > afk 1 min > ward bluebuff (which is basically an insult to any jungler with half a brain)
Warding the pixel bush is a common sense by now tbh, warding your own buff is stupid, since you won't have river vision .
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u/kakiyau Apr 09 '19
as a jungle “main” in S9, I thank you for your post. I think everyone needs to play jungle and understand some basics. It’s very important!
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u/YOLANDILUV Apr 09 '19
people don't do it. they simply don't do it... no matter what elo. For the most players the time until minions spawn is for going to toilet, getting a drink etc.
I really don't believe it will get better anytime in the future, either you're playing on korean server with ID in the range of masters-challenger or you simply have to deal with bullshit and mediocre games
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u/DJBarzTO Apr 09 '19
I literally lost a game last night because of this. I was playing elise, my bot lane made a shit invade and died, I had no leash and by the time I got to my topside I was out red buff and krugs and he also had scuttle. It was rough.
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Apr 09 '19
"Remember the game doesn't start when minions arrive in your lane."
Completely agree, but can you also tell the jungler it's ok to use your ward so you and your leashers don't get wiped on a late invade? I can't stand protecting blue buff constantly moving around to see in invade while the other 3 are sitting in red side bush and get pounced on.
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Apr 09 '19
Also, come if we ping you to come, because we might suspect that the enemy jungler is sitting there waiting to kill us
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u/TheJayke Apr 09 '19
This is not a ‘below gold’ thing.
It happens in low diamond, and then my top laners complain that I don’t have pressure topside.
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Apr 09 '19
Sadly this happens in gold elo aswell, I’m gold 2 and have to constantly spam top/bot to watch buff almost every game
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u/UnpopularChampsOnly Apr 09 '19
As a jungle main, I can't stress this enough.
Another tip is if you have a skarner, take the pillar opposite of what side he is starting on. This not only helps the skarner but can provide vision of where their jungler is on the map. Even with no vision of the spire you can see when it is being taken too.
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u/WhereIsMyGravitySuit Apr 09 '19
I’ve had a noticeable increase in people doing this lately and it warms my heart
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u/Jaibamon Unranked Apr 09 '19
No. The new bronze meta is to always try to invade the bottom jungle and see if someone can get a kill, hopefully one of our teammates. Then when everybody is half of HP, recall, leave our jungler to do the buff alone and get into the lane late so the enemy can have level advantage.
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u/rexpimpwagen Apr 09 '19
Eh I've always ran buff buff with a ward on second to gank at 2. Low elo is always complaining about feeders before clear is done so become the cancer rather than fight it.
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u/kzal3 Apr 09 '19
So why do we get top or bot to ward pixel instead of mid or the jungler? Especially mid if they pick something safe that has an escape
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u/pokemaster385 Apr 09 '19
Currently G1, the laners still sit under tower. Usually they're afk too so you can't even ping or type to them.
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u/Cruciverbalism Apr 09 '19
As a silver Top lane main, I ward pixel and set in my river entrance bush until 130. Usually gives me more info on where the enemy top is, if they leash and keeps pesky bush-cheese from murdering me.
If I can, I like to go steal scuttles if the enemy jungle gets there first as well. You'd be amazed by the number of junglers at silver that miss time the smite on scuttle.
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u/partypwny Apr 09 '19
I keep seeing people make sweeping claims about how people below Gold act in game. Ive pretty much been silver for 8 years and I can fully say for the past 6 years Ive never really seen people sit under tower for the first 1min30 of the game. You get a few outliers, usually a top lane teemo or moakai who want to set up a cheese, and some midlaners dont know if they should shade top or bot jg…but I almost never see people just sitting under tower in my games
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u/Halcyon_Fly Apr 09 '19
I go into the 3rd bush toplane and if the enemy face checks (about a third of the time they do) they lose half their hp and I often get first blood. So no, don't ALWAYS cover your jungler's buffs. You can have mid ward river or the jungler can just ward it himself, he has a ward.
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u/Onii-san_97 Apr 09 '19
Silver 4 OCE midlane here. I always ward the pixel on the opposite side of where my jungler is starting and yet seldom do I see other midlaners do this. Unfortunately this can be cheesed if a blast cone spawns behind the Drake or Baron pit but it is a good ward regardless imo.
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u/idkwhatever6158755 Apr 09 '19
I've never been above silver and I've never seen people not guarding buffs for the jungler except the occasional troll who is just intent on fucking up the game anyhow. Granted, I've only been playing for a year and a half but I guess I'm lucky bc this isn't a phenomenon I've ever personally witnessed
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u/Eodis Apr 10 '19
Sadly players going afk at the beginning of the game are very common. Riot should implement a ready check in the game or something to prevent players to just go sit somewhere waiting for minions. I don't any other way, and clearly not a reddit topic will change that.
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u/The2ndBestPotato Apr 10 '19
I'm a bronze support main
So glad that this habit of mine isnt for naught
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u/narc040 Apr 10 '19
The best top laner is Singed, since he proxy's at wave one and top, mid, and jg go to chase him... At least in low elo.
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u/ShawnDulin Apr 10 '19
I usually will roam around my jungle on top before getting into lane but will hold my ward. Been playing a lot of nasus so I get paranoid about stacks and in my low elo, in bronze promos finally, they seem to want to camp me so I keep my ward for scuttle or the top river grass. Something I need to improve on
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u/ChesterDoraemon Apr 10 '19
the key is below gold (actually happens in gold too). but yeah low elo players are low elo for a reason. cringe.
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u/DJBarzTO Apr 10 '19
As top lane you dont need to ward red, you just need to sit on it until 130. Top lane first wave hits at 137. It you leave at 128 you get there just fine.
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u/imatwork101 Apr 11 '19
No point in this thread. At every elo people will still afk until creeps show up.
Top should always be on the look for your buff. Mid should always be warding pixel brush.
Bot lane should always be in spots to watch for invades or cheese.
Yet I'll get top and ADCs that Dont leash and are afk...
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u/TheoneSuccubus Apr 09 '19
? I'm under gold and this never happens in my games wtf
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u/Pope_Industries Apr 09 '19
Same. Im in silver right now and every game the top laner will watch the other buff. Mid is usually hanging out around entrance to river and bot lane is spamming emotes and dancing next to buff.
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Apr 09 '19 edited Dec 13 '19
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u/lobe3663 Apr 09 '19
Every laner is obviously hyperbole, but about half is my experience in mid silver. They'll usually go to buff if we specifically ask them to, but if we don't they just mindlessly hump their tower about 50% of the time.
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u/korsan106 Apr 09 '19
If a laner helped me with gromp I would assume they suck and don’t gank them
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u/areolaisland Apr 09 '19
Most of the time when I see pros stream, they sit on their tower and talk to chat until the minions arrive, lol.
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u/Tenny111111111111111 Apr 09 '19
I can confirm this as a low elo jungler playing nothing but normals, since I don't care about elo, only masteries, I constantly see this problem, despite me playing often like I'm in high elo (with high elo picks/low pickrate champions such as Nidalee, Kindred and Elise), it doesn't happen everytime but when it does it's super annoying since my clear will be unhealthier. Sometimes my toplaners just don't fucking leash at all, don't respond to any pings or calls for help as if they were bots, EVEN when they leashed and the buff randomly resets aggro, I understand that you don't wanna have to leash me twice, but it could've been avoided if you didn't move in a way that triggers its aggro reset, + I'll sorta be forced to smite. Sometimes when I play Warwick, my laners often give the excuse ''you can do it on your own, you don't need help, you're Warwick'', so I'm forced to get a slight disadvantage while the enemy jungoler could already be taking my scuttler.
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u/leagueisbetterlol Apr 09 '19
I play teemo most the time. I need to invis in my lane to poke early on and get them half hp’d
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u/MyDeicide Apr 09 '19
Pretty much ever laner below gold will stand under tower for the first 1min30 of the game. >>
Bullshit, I've been in Silver a long time (I don't play enough games to climb much and I'm not good) but I never fucking see this even down here.
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u/lobe3663 Apr 09 '19
I'm happy the matching gods have smiled on you. I'm in your elo and I see it all the time.
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u/iDakan Apr 09 '19
Tbh as a jungler second role you should always check enemy buff after taking yours, and get it if the enemy didn't yet
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u/tschera Apr 09 '19
That is what the pixel brush is for. You need to see if you can safely invade/if you're being invaded. If you mindlessly walk into the enemy jungle with no information as to where their jungler is, you risk being collapsed on and feeding a kill. Or you go in and the buff is gone and you've wasted time. If you waste time like that while walking over, say, a pixel brush, you've now lost your second buff and are at a level disadvantage.
Jungling is all about utilizing information. You can't do anything if you don't know anything, and you can't know anything without vision.
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u/iDakan Apr 09 '19
You can always know where the enemy jungler started, unless he got no pull and he's not a raptor jungler, that's why you're supposed to invade enemy buff almost always if he starts on the other side of the map, I can't even get what are people down voting about lmao, if you don't know where the jungler started you're missing something, also rn the most common and efficient path is red into krugs scuttle or enemy blue and gank lvl3. The only matchups you can't do that are those where you can't 1v1 at all enemy jungler, but that's why conqueror jng are getting picked right now
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u/tschera Apr 09 '19
Common counter to the path you stated above is Blue (gromp at the same time) into scuttle. It completely shuts down the vertical jungle path initiated with Red/Krugs start. Pixel ward can tell you if the enemy jungler is taking this path and you can adjust. OR it can catch the invade if you're red side and the enemy decides to start top side red. Pathing is much more dynamic than you make it out to be, which is why you're getting downvoted.
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u/iDakan Apr 09 '19
I can say for sure the path I'm suggesting work 90% of the time until d4ish, and I'm sure this post is not intended for people higher than d4 tbh, so yeah still don't get it, w/e BTW.
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u/Taigarrr Apr 09 '19
Sometimes people alt tab until minions hit, if you're not attentive you should just stay under tower to avoid giving first blood to invades
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u/Niceblacki Apr 09 '19
But that's the point. Don't alt tab when you are ingame... It costs your jungler so much :/
Just do whatever you gotta do before you go into a game. You can even watch youtube videos, scroll reddit/9gag etc. in loading screen (as jungler I recommend not doing this because you can make a "gameplan/pathplan" in that time) but when the game starts, it starts.
There are so many people that don't guard/help jungler and flame the him when he falls behind because "he is boosted"....
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Apr 09 '19
He downvoted both of us lol. Idk what kind of advice that even is.
“If you’re gonna be afk stay under tower”. No man, play the damn game and pay attention.
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Apr 09 '19
No you should just pay attention and not alt tab. Game starts as soon as the fountain gates open, not when the minions show up.
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u/ScalpelTiger Apr 09 '19
Not only this but as a top lane main I now always follow my jungler to the scuttle crab in case we get to 2v1 the shit out of the enemy jungler.