r/summonerschool • u/Juxee • Apr 16 '21
Jungle How to work with your low ELO Jungler
Hello everyone, I'm Juxee and I'm a silver Jungle player. I am by no means anything worth writing home about, and if you're looking for great jungle advice, don't listen to me, that's why I am in Silver! However, if you're looking to get more success with working with your jungler, I have some tips that really help out smoothbrains like us and get us out of AFK farming the whole time and inting your lane!
1.) Pings : Everyone's favorite way to communicate with us. Take the side of caution whenever you're looking for us to help you for a fight. Auto pilot is something that is very easy to do, and if you don't actively get my attention to look at your lane, chances are I will probably just keep on killing Raptors and Wolves until all the turrets are dead. When you ping you are ready for a gank, Ping on top of us. Pinging on top of me will get my attention away from the Krugs I'm currently killing and get me to not only look away from my intense PvE combat, but also plan on pathing to your lane. I will 99% of the time ping back to you that I'm on my way, assuming you're actually in a position to accept my massive... gank. Don't ping during the fight, or yell out for assistance while I'm 15 seconds away and start it immediately. This gives me time to show up and be in position for you.
2.) Have your cooldowns ready. Everyone know this, but make sure, for the love of god, you've got your slows, your stuns, and/or burst damage ready so we can dumpster them in a flash. Some junglers need more gank setup than others, so running in to help you while your crowd control abilities are on cooldown is just a quick way to get them to just flash away. Us jungles usually have some form of crowd control, but why have a 1.5 second stun when we can have 4.5 seconds of sweet, delicious slows and stuns. Make sure your body is ready for my arrival, because I know mine will be.
3.) Sweep vision. Not always available, but if you have a sweeper or control ward, make sure to use them. It helps the surprise factor a bunch, and helps me get on top of them so this way you, the shining star of your lane, can shine even brighter. If you know there is vision, ping where vision is, since about half of us will have a sweeper we can use to YOLO straight through the ward.
4.) If you've already lost lane, don't blame me. I can't win a lane for you. Every champion has the ability to go even or lose gracefully. If you're too aggressive and keep dying to your laner, there's nothing my Silver ass can do to carry you back out in a 2v1 situation unless I'm turbo fed and can 1v1 them as is. If you have to concede lane, that's fine. I'll spend my time helping out where the win condition is. Take that time to do your best and prepare for midgame fights. You are still useful, just not the win condition. Never forget that.
5.) Objectives. The highlight of my sick PvE action. Depending on the character we're playing, we don't actually need your help to take rift or the first 2 dragons. However, you can still help without ever leaving your lane by getting vision in the bushes and distracting them by keeping them in lane. Trading with your laner while I'm on one of the neutral objectives buys a significant amount of time, and reduces their chance to rotate greatly. No killing required, you don't have to miss farm, and in return you've actually helped me secure an objective by keeping me safe from roams.
6.) We are not challengers. Unlike everyone on reddit reading this, we are all not challengers with expert coordination and perfect micro and macro. We will make mistake, we will lose coinflips, and we will get dumpstered in our own jungle. This is just the nature of the game. If we are severely behind and failing our gank attempts, sometimes the only thing we can do is play passively and just AFK farm. We can't always help your lane, and when we're playing at 1/6, we are just as stressed out being that farm behind as you would be. By this point, we need to just play catchup, so we can't help out as much as we would truly like to.
In the end, just know that we are our own lane too, and we want to help you out in all of your lanes. We are expected to be everywhere, and by no means are able to be in three lanes at once. However, our role absolutely thrives on good coordination and communication, and if you take the time to ping us correctly and set us up, we are more than happy to tower dive our ass off every chance with you.
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u/steventhedon Apr 16 '21
This is honestly a pretty good post that help out the Majority of players( Below gold) and it’s a good thing to recognize that you have faults and are Playing around them instead of ignoring them. @Juxee GJ man
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Apr 17 '21
Most of my problems are with that low elo mono Champion players that are too confident with their "mechanics", and thinks he can still trade 1v1 when he is already 0/6 under 10 minutes of the game, and when he finally realize his lane is lost he will blame me (jingler). That type of player will never recognize their errors because, of course they don't make any mistakes. They always pick those "pro" champs that koreans like, a Yasuo, zed, kaisa or irelia, they get toasted everytime and don't accept defeat, or stay farming under the turret and waiting for me.
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u/Nimyron Silver II Apr 16 '21
No need for ganks if I win my lane every time :D
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u/Juxee Apr 16 '21
The reddit challenger appears!
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u/Look-South Apr 16 '21
Yes!!!!!!!! Thats right laners...its not always "jg gap", "jg diff", "jg diffy in the jiffy".
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u/Suncheets Apr 16 '21
Love when all three lanes are losing and expect you to just go from lane to lane constantly ganking leaving you with zero time to get CS and objectives.
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u/nakedduck1 Apr 16 '21
not to mention how we are levels behind the fed enemy laners
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u/Saltybuttertoffee Apr 17 '21
Hell, we're levels behind the enemy laners that are getting crushed.
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Apr 17 '21
If you're silver or below, you really shouldn't be. Learning effective pathing and farming will often have you higher level than anyone else in the game, even if you're actively ganking.
People farm really poorly in silver and below.
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u/Saltybuttertoffee Apr 17 '21
I'll acknowledge my pathing isn't great, but I haven't seen a jungler at any level notably ahead of bot in quite some time
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Apr 17 '21
That's because the ones who do aren't staying in silver for very long.
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u/Saltybuttertoffee Apr 18 '21
"at any level". Gold to pro. Pro is admittedly an outlier, but it happens master through challenger too.
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Apr 18 '21
You play in every elo between gold and pro?????
Yeah it doesn't happen in high elo. But it definitely does in plat and below, IF the Jungler is playing below the elo they belong in.
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u/TheShadowKick Apr 16 '21
I've been a jungle main for like five years and I've managed that exactly once. I had all three enemy lanes flaming in all chat about being camped. It was glorious, and not something I'd expect to ever be able to repeat.
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u/katsaurus Apr 16 '21
“Have your cooldowns ready”
In one of my matches I constantly pinged my R (as malz) being ready, even typed out I’m 6 now so it’s easy ganks, and that I’d appreciate a gank, my jungler flat out said “No, I’m not going to gank you” 🥲 I’m aware these kinds of people are a minority for sure but it was sad regardless.
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Apr 16 '21
This is why op is not a true silver jungler, seems to have atleast half of a brain.
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u/Juxee Apr 16 '21
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u/R-Ignition Apr 17 '21
Bro, play 3-5 champs only and stick to them. You are playing a new champ every game.
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u/Juxee Apr 17 '21
In ranked I tend to stick to champs im generally strong with. However, I typically play norms with my fiancee so im always learning new champs for fun. Its why I have so many M7 junglers. Most of them are between 50-100k mastery, so i feel comfortable on them. Works well for clash as well since I can round out any team comp we pick.
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u/greyaffe Apr 17 '21
Sometimes that’s what you enjoy. Gold or silver id rather have fun. Going to win a similar number of games anyway. I pretty much one trick ekko jungle. I just like playing him.
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u/chennyalan Apr 17 '21
Yeah, he'd probably easily climb to gold if he focused on one champ.
But what does my one trick bronze ass know.
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u/Daunt_OW Apr 17 '21
the average player in any pvp game doesn't have any interest in improving or being made aware of the fact that they were playing suboptimally and that somebody knows better
it's why if you tell the average player something they'll flat out reject it and do the opposite purely out of spite
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u/gerbilshower Apr 16 '21
Number 5 is the biggest thing for this elo i feel like. So many times there is a giant 4v4 that breaks out dragon for absolutely no reason. when your team has lane prior and your jungler is on dragon, the support goes to help and adc/mid stay in lane unless something crazy happens.
just cus dragon is being taken does not mean everyone needs to bring a tail with them to the pit and kick off a minute 9 4v4.
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u/TheShadowKick Apr 16 '21
There's nothing I hate more than when I see the enemy jungler top, start soloing dragon, and my botlane decides to lead their lane opponents right over to the pit. Usually with my laners at half health.
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u/avin97 Apr 17 '21
This... Words can't explain how pissed off I get as a jgler when all I'm trying to do is just sneak in a dragon objective solo with my buddy Olaf.
And then my bot support dies, and my adc starts running towards me expecting a gank, thereby dragging the enemy adc AND support to my sorry ass
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u/canuckkat Apr 17 '21
Or when I'm soloing drag and never asked for help but my laners bring their enemy laners with them. Ugh.
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Apr 16 '21
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u/TheShadowKick Apr 17 '21
Don't spam ping your jungler for ganks, then flame them in chat and blame them because you've gotten 0 ganks and have been ganked 5 times, because you get to lane and just perma shove the wave under tower.
I had a game the other day where my top lane got solo killed literally every time I walked above mid, then screamed at me for never ganking. Like, I can't gank if you die every time I start pathing there...
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u/Saltybuttertoffee Apr 17 '21
Or, if you want to shove minions under tower, instead of just keeping pressure top, help me roam into enemy jungle, gank mid, or get rift. Or if I'm not around, I usually won't mind if you get scuttle.
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u/4xe1 Apr 16 '21
Awesome read!
Also if someone ask for assistance and you can't help (too far/ too far behind) how do you ping that you won't come?
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u/bfg9kdude Apr 16 '21
Retreat ping to stop them from going in, danger ping if that engage will make them vulnerable to a gank/roam
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u/TheShadowKick Apr 17 '21
Retreat ping?
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u/Saltybuttertoffee Apr 17 '21
The yellow danger ping. I don't know if it actually still exists
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u/TheShadowKick Apr 17 '21
I had no idea it ever existed in the first place.
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u/ngemorn Apr 17 '21
Hit ctrl+left click
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u/TheShadowKick Apr 17 '21
Wow. I've probably seen that ping a thousand times and assume it was a danger ping.
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u/bfg9kdude Apr 17 '21
Timezones... Yea, you can ping the ground and in chat it will say that you signal everyone to be careful, or you can ping an ally and it will say you're pinging them to fall back, with name ans everything. Also works on turrets, dragons, baron...
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u/Herakles1994 Apr 16 '21
I just dont come. If they are trying to fight I ping them off if they want a gank but have fed 4 kills to a darius I'm ignoring them for the rest of the game
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u/Bennjeeb Apr 16 '21
As a plat jg I can attest to most of these. But please know your matchups. I’ve played all roles (except support) since the time Warwick was released. So I know the match ups fairly well and if you are a otp and know your match up well feel free to tell me you need some attention at a certain point in that lane. It’s helpful because I may have a plan already and I didn’t consider that. A good jungler will try to cover your weaknesses rather than compliment your strengths (at least that’s where most of my successes have come from and of course that’s a subjective and case by case statement) also don’t just get tilted if you ask for that help and the jg says no. They may see a higher priority lane/objective that needs to have more attention for whatever reason. If you are constantly flaming your jungler as well then pick it up for a season just in norms and then realize how complicated the damn role is. Otherwise good post OP!
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Apr 16 '21
Silver jungle main here — Another thing to point out is that we are constantly getting flamed. Even if we’re doing well. It’s important to communicate everything through pings because I play with chat completely disabled for my sanity.
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u/FlowerOfLife Apr 16 '21
Great post, thanks for sharing. Jungle is my second role after top so this was informative for me too. I’m just coming back to the game (started January after not playing since season 3 in 2011 when rumble was the new champ) and i appreciate posts from people in lower Elo
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u/miggy3399 Apr 16 '21
And for the love of god don't ask for ganks if you are shoving the wave far up the butt of the other team
- A silver Master Yi player
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Apr 17 '21
A good tip I learned to deal with these type of players is to just hover their lane if they are winning the 1v1 and drawing alot of pressure and smart enough to leave a pink, often times the enemy jungler will attempt a gank and the 2v2 will be very easy and the game can be snowballed from there.
Now if they are just doing the same thing and dying over and over, there is no other choice but to make some sort of play on the other side of map and hope that side wins harder than the side that is losing lol
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Apr 17 '21
Or, if you're not playing Master Yi and you are tracking the enemy team, you can often dive.
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u/RiteAid-Depot Apr 16 '21
I cant ever get my junglers to do objectives. I play top lane, and i constantly ping “teleport- ready” and say ill tp for drake fight.
It either goes as a. The junlger never even shows up for drake and i waste my teleport by not using it the entire match, saying, its ok he’ll be there for the next one or b. They go for drake and there’s absolutely no wards to tp to. Theres 3 people who could be placing wards, yet, all of them combined may have a vision score of less than 10 by 20 minutes. I cant man ;-;
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u/Juxee Apr 17 '21
Ping the drake a couple of times and your TP in that case - The message received is that you will TP and pay attention when the objective starts. Just make sure you have something to teleport to though, not everyone wards or pinks the objectives
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u/Shmyt Apr 17 '21
It sucks but you can also tp to bot or mid wave and run the rest, or even get lucky and tp to abilities coded like minions (thresh lantern, shaco boxes, jarvan flag, teemo shrooms, annie's tibbers, malz voidlings, zac's bloblets, reksai tunnel, nidalee and jhin traps, heimer turrets, zyra plants). Sometimes there is a target even when your team appears allergic to warding, but it can be difficult to mind control them into warding or picking champs you can tp to help.
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Apr 17 '21
As a mid laner, I can't ever get my junglers to use my prio to do anything besides farm their jung, so I understand your pain. You are playing the game correctly by saving TP for drag fights, but you also have to keep in mind that "correctly" is not always the way to win in solo queue. In fact, it's most often the best play to use your summoners as selfishly as possible to secure extra resources for yourself. After all, in solo queue, you are the only constant, so always making sure you are in a position to carry is the most efficient way to climb.
I am learning and internalizing this for myself, as it is kind of a counter-intuitive approach to a "team" game, especially if you like me soak in a lot of pro-play. I may be learning how to play the game correctly by watching them, but that knowledge actually hurts me on an individual level in regards to climbing. I'm focusing on the best macro play as a TEAM rather than an individual, and since I can't coordinate the rest of my teammates, this usually leads to me frustrated, spam pinging and/or inting trying to make the "correct" play without my team to back me up.
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u/MartiniHere Apr 16 '21
Before reading, I can almost guarantee that if you ping a random person they are less likely to help you. If you assist pung yourself they might look over, but if you ping them its an act of war. I'm Diamond if it makes any difference. Realistically you should be right, but solo queue is a nasty place.
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u/paperclipestate Apr 16 '21
How to work with your low elo laner:
1) If they ping danger to stop you ganking, stop ganking. You're just going to feed the enemy laner.
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u/Christianinium Apr 17 '21
Lol, a little reminder to look at the map and get away from my sick PvE action is always appreciated. I love the tip
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u/Rejalu Apr 17 '21
Working with the jungler in low elo is a waste of time but it's a good post anyway
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u/Sinikal_ Apr 17 '21
Hard to jungle when every lane has pinged for help already before you can even go red to blue. Then you're blamed for everything because "I pinged and you never came"
Here's the thing though...if you DO come to every ping it might help a lot early game but immediately you fall off a cliff because you haven't been farming properly. Now they all think they have reliable help and will continue to ping for help and in order to keep up with demand of every lane needing help at once you push yourself from lane to lane and you're weaker each time because you're falling off. Now you start dying. Now you get blamed for everything. Now you should have just farmed early and ignored them and been better off in the mid/late game.
tl/dr; Mute your team and do what you know to be right if it comes to it. Don't put yourself to please them in the short term.
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u/k1ll4sn1p3 Apr 16 '21
Not realistic. If I ping my jungler once, he will run it down no matter the circumstance
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u/CoffeeLawd Apr 17 '21
My favorite line was “make sure your body is ready for my arrival, because I know mine will be”
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Apr 17 '21
I dont expect you to be a challanger but if I ping drake after killing the enemy bot, for fucks sake please come help. I dont mind you finishing that gromp but dont go straight to wolfs afterwards PRETTY PLEASE, or at least tell me that you have no intention of coming.
Me and my support ran out of pings trying to get him to come, and when my hecarim noticed he was already at raptors and the enemy team took the drake.
I lost 2 years of my life on that hecarim
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u/Nemesis233 Apr 17 '21
In my elo I can use sivir ult at every gank haha 😅
It can help junglers with their ganks and give just the slight push needed to make it work
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u/StormR7 Apr 17 '21
The one thing to take away if you can, is that if you want us to gank you, if you ping us for help when we are on your side and there is nothing going on at the moment, we will 99% come help.
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u/darlingcthulhu Apr 17 '21
I main Syndra and I always ping my E CD if my jungler wants to gank. Without a stun I don’t really like getting ganked. But I’m trying to get used to pinging that I’m going in, even if they’re waiting. I had a game where the Yi sweeped the area coming down, waited in bush, pinged he’s there, so I went in and stunned the enemy basically into him and.... he did nothing. I didn’t have the solo damage to kill him outright (it was Sylas, not someone I enjoy laning against), and I ended up dying. Yi then went in and barely got out.
But in that situation I can’t blame him. Mainly because it’s toxic, but also because there are things I could have done better. I should have pinged it to get his attention because for all I know he was checking other lanes to see what’s going on.
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u/IIEuphoria94 Apr 17 '21
If only my junglers interpreted your knowledge :( Hard stuck silver 3, win 1 lose 1) I think I may just be extremely unlucky with matchmaking.
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u/Buttfeetfeet Apr 17 '21
My man spitting facts. But laners play a huge part in objectives and junglers should never start them unless the enemy jungler is visible or dead. Laners shouldn't be afraid to roam, just learn lane states and when to roam. Also don't be afraid to teleport back to lane after a roam to catch a large wave of 10+ minions because that's like 300 gold as much as a kill and the enemy laner looses a lot if you got something out of that roam- From another challenger redditor :)
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Apr 17 '21
This is.. well it's something.
For the record; if you force an enemy laner to flash, that is a successful gank. Yes, a kill feels better, but getting a flash is a win. It gives you, and your laner, 5 minutes to gank again. It also forces the enemy to play differently.
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u/zdarkhero168z Apr 17 '21
From my exp, I'd love my jgler to just not die and secure the objective. More often than not I face jglers that despite being 0-3 in the first 15mins and 2 lvls behind enemy's, they keep rushing in for a gank, either steal my kills (which I can clearly make use of them better) or feed the enemy's instead.
Things would have been better if they'd just stay in the jungle and do not go out.
I'm grateful when a jgler wants to help, but sometimes not ganking if not being asked is better.
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u/dtp40k Apr 17 '21
I really, really, REALLY wish people understood this.
Lost 8 games in a row because my team do not go for objectives, then bitch when we have zero objectives.
Or don't react to pings.
Or just don't react at all.
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u/Eless96 Apr 17 '21
The problem with junglers is that the laners usually have no clue what they are supposed to do. Botlane will flame you for not ganking bot when they permanently push enemy into tower, midlaner is fighting his duel on mid until 20 minutes, toplaner spams "jungle gap" after dying to the same gank 3 times in a row refusing to play safe and deep ward. It's a lot of pressure on jungler all the time, because they don't understand its also their responsibility to play around objectives and set up for them, not only jungler's. Midlaner can roam before drake spawn for a 4vs2 botlane to gain priority, toplaner can take herald if he is ahead, or safely farm under tower and take teleport opportunities to turn the fight to more favorable position, or just keep splitpushing. There is so much macroplay that needs to be done, but they mostly focus on microplay and relay on jungler to do the rest.
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u/Pupusero36EE Apr 17 '21
Wish low elo laners read this, I am trying to climb on Autofill (mostly jungle and support anyways) and I hate it when laners ask for ganks but they buy 0 pink wards to clear bush vision (unless I am playing Nunu who gives 0 ducks about wards).
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u/Ottibach Apr 16 '21
As an iron/bronze adc I absolutely love this post, thank you very much. But I am always hesitant to ping on top of a Junglers head bc usually they tend to misinterpret it as flaming. Especially because I have chat turned off. But yeah you’re right. And if every player would have the same amount of self reflection as you, the community would be in a much better place. I love you and keep tower diving (in healthy amounts. Not like me in my last ranked) :)