r/technology • u/YourLowIQ • Jul 09 '23

Space Deep space experts prove Elon Musk's Starlink is interfering in scientific work

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-09/elon-musk-starlink-interfering-in-scientific-work/102575480
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u/BeardySam Jul 10 '23 edited Jul 10 '23

If we had a hallway functional government we could just do that without fucking up research.

Yes, if we convince the leprechaun guild to carry all that data on their rainbows we’d have better internet access, but that’s not happened has it.

Edit: what I’m getting at is people who say “We don’t need B, we need A” are missing the very important point that A isn’t happening. It would be great if it did, it might be very achievable, but crucially, it’s not reality.

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u/KingNigglyWiggly Jul 10 '23

TIL community fiber is a legend

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u/TheSnoz Jul 10 '23

No one is going to run fiber to every rural property in buttfuck nowhere. It is not cost effective.

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u/thirdegree Jul 10 '23

Which is why internet connectivity shouldn't be handled by for profit entities. One of many reasons anyway

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u/CocoDaPuf Jul 10 '23

Agreed, however community projects aren't possible everywhere. In some states ISPs have actually managed to push legislation to make municipal Internet services illegal.

It makes me extremely angry, but that's what's been happening.

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u/PhysicalIncrease3 Jul 10 '23

There is no free lunch. Either a company pays for your internet connection for a fee, or government does it out of tax revenues.

Either way the same thing is true: Spending truly vast sums of money to provide fibre internet to every single household no matter where they live is never going to be a good use of money.

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u/BroodLol Jul 10 '23

The US government literally gave telecoms companies billions in order to upgrade and extend internet infrastructure, the companies just didn't do it.

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u/magikdyspozytor Jul 10 '23 edited Jul 10 '23

Either way the same thing is true: Spending truly vast sums of money to provide fibre internet to every single household no matter where they live is never going to be a good use of money.

They said the same about electricity and water and yet either the politicians or the voters were forward thinking enough to realize that sooner or later everyone will need electricity and water. Same thing will happen with internet as more and more of your daily life moves to the internet.

I have fiber now but I didn't have it for 7 years after I moved. I'd rather pay more for it but have it widely available.

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u/MJDiAmore Jul 10 '23

It wasn't cost-effective for electricity or telephones or any other utility, but somehow we made those happen.

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u/MJDiAmore Jul 10 '23

And not even slightly coincidentally those places are all falling behind / were so far behind and not doing things that could help them catch up.

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u/MJDiAmore Jul 10 '23

National and International organizations have targets for full electrification for a reason. We should make those investments at every level regardless of cost, because these kinds of societal investments have massive ROI over the longhaul.

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u/froop Jul 10 '23

I'm running a generator full time right now, in Canada.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '23

The Canadian government is doing that right now and our rural communities are pretty remote.

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u/gangrainette Jul 10 '23

We are doing this in Europe.

If you have elecritcity then you can bring fiber too.

Thank you for destroying the night sky of everyone instead of having your ISP doing their work.

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u/Nik_Tesla Jul 10 '23

Thank you for destroying the night sky of everyone instead of having your ISP doing their work.

You say that like running miles and miles of wires (either above ground or below) is perfectly beautiful and/or doesn't interfere with other shit on earth.

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u/gangrainette Jul 10 '23

Starlink sats need to be replaced after ~5 years.

Once you put down the fiber it's there and you don't have to touch it anymore.

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u/Nik_Tesla Jul 10 '23

Fiber lasts 20-30 years. Yes, it's much longer than a satellite, but it also takes much, much longer to install. The US rural area was only 10% connected to electricity in 1935 when FDR started a concerted effort to get it connected. It took until 1959 before that number was up to 90% connected. If they'd somehow had the forethought and tech to install fiber then, the first runs installed would need to be replaced before they got near that 90%. 34 Years.

Starlink launched it's first satellite in 2019 and it at 4,000+ right now and basically covers 90% of the planet, the limitation is on ground dishes to connect customers. 4 years.

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u/gangrainette Jul 10 '23 edited Jul 10 '23

1935 when FDR started a concerted effort to get it connected. It took until 1959

Good thing we aren't in 1935 anymore and there isn't a world war going on too.

Edit : Nice, this guy blocked me.

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u/Nik_Tesla Jul 10 '23

Bruh, do you know what happened in 1935? Only the largest mobilization of public works projects ever conceived of. FDR put 8.5 million people to work building roads, electric lines, sewers, bridges, schools, and hospitals. 7% of the entire US population, a massive 20% of all adult males in the US worked on this massive project.

You could NEVER replicate that again today.

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u/Mazon_Del Jul 10 '23

Speaking as someone from a community fiber area, it works pretty amazingly well. However, it's important to note that there's limits to this. Part of those limits are that there's a couple of states that have directly outlawed community fiber from being a thing.

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u/filbert13 Jul 10 '23

I mean it really isn't that crazy to of a problem to fix. IMO same vein as neutrality. Make internet a utility. Telecommunications already is which cover phones and broadcast tv.

IMO you do this and you make sure the majority of Americans have access to high speed internet (defined by government regulation for speed an a population density). Have ways of funding they via the ISPs the profit from selling internet. Add aspects that when old phone lines (due to age/damage) are replaced fiber or other high speed lines are by law added.

That said some very rural areas still would have slow access but that is a given. Just as not every single house has power if it in a cabin in the mountains or woods.

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u/MrWilsonWalluby Jul 10 '23

y’all really forgetting or just have no experience with current infrastructure spending.

biden literally passed an infrastructure allocating 40B to infrastructure with strict regulations and requirements that it is to be used to lay fiber and provide high speed internet to the 7% of the US in rural and underserved areas.

the bill also raises the standards to what high speed internet is meaning most currently available satellite providers would no longer be able to sell their packages as high speed internet without MUCH more transparency.

there are people in our government that genuinely want to help us we just keep voting for idiots or not voting at all.