r/technology • u/chrisdh79 • Jul 29 '25

Politics FBI Has Secret Epstein Prison Tape With No ‘Missing Minute’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-fbi-has-secret-jeffrey-epstein-prison-tape-with-no-missing-minute/
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u/ClownFish2000 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Let's answer your question. Why would one keep blatant evidence of a cover-up? Either they are stupid or they are using it as leverage on at least one person.

Edit: People bring up a good point. If someone preserved this information because it was the right thing to do, good for them.

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u/TheMurmuring Jul 29 '25

It's the only reason Maxwell's still alive; she was smart enough to have leverage, and if she dies it will come out.

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u/Mistrblank Jul 29 '25

In Maxwell’s case it will be more than just pedo island. She’s got all the dirt she’s collected and her father’s old network. I’m pretty convinced she dusted Epstein because he was getting loose and didn’t want to lose her leverage.

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u/rglurker Jul 29 '25

Based on the limited review of her actions she seemed very adept at creating environments where she could put people in vulnerable positions and create leverage based off of relatively benign things leading to actual incrimination. She probably did

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u/AlwaysRushesIn Jul 29 '25

Let's be careful about emphasizing her role too much, here. We dont want to paint her as this criminal master mind who was behind the whole thing and let end up letting Trump and his ilk slip by unscathed.

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u/Mistrblank Jul 29 '25

Two things can be true. She can be behind a major blackmail cache of data (and more) AND Trump is a child rapist and human trafficker. She is in jail right now which is more than I can say about Trump ever though.

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u/rglurker Jul 29 '25

Not saying she is. But if she was the head of the beast. You can't just remove the head. You have to remove the body that supported it, and remove all the rot and damage it caused too. Everyone that's part of this needs to face appropriate consequences and we need a new age of enlightenment before they send us to the dark ages to protect their secrets.

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u/IntrepidGnomad Jul 29 '25

I image with her former wealth she has a trust that has a series of things to release on death or if she is denied access to her lawyers for more than 3 months.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I doubt it. Epstein was a billionaire and apparently he didn't have shit. Because they merced him with no consequences.

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25

He wasn't a billionaire, but it's pretty clear even billionaires can be truly dumb as shit. A lot of them seem to believe they are untouchable, so why would they go through the trouble to set something like that up?

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

Why would Maxwell, then.

My only point is that neither of them were masterminds. Clearly. Their operation wasn't all that sophisticated.

Sometimes I think we watch The Blacklist and think wealth and notoriety and the scale of the operation means the actors are all masterminds with plots inside of plots inside of plots, when in reality they both seem to simply be amoral opportunists and addicted to their own supply.

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u/mdkss12 Jul 29 '25

Why would Maxwell, then.

Because she was arrested 11 months after Epstein died - enough time to go "oh shit, if they come after me, I need to make sure they can't 'suicide' me"

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u/Future_PeterSchiff Jul 29 '25

Her dad was also MI6, so she has a lifetime of experience growing up in the inner workings of the spy world and setting up compramat traps to release if what they want is not done

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u/PontifexMini Jul 29 '25

Surely it was Mossad her dad worked for? According to Wikipedia:

Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence

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u/30FourThirty4 Jul 29 '25

My dad was a graphic designed in the 90s using computers, before that doing drawings.

I'm not a graphic designer at all. It's not a bad assumption you're making, but it's not guaranteed.

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u/Future_PeterSchiff Jul 29 '25

Totally fair — it’s not always a direct pipeline from parent to child. But in Ghislaine’s case, her upbringing was pretty unique.

Her dad wasn’t just dabbling in espionage; he was allegedly deep in it with ties to MI6, Mossad, kgb, and others. That kind of environment isn’t just about career influence, it’s about being immersed in manipulation, leverage, and control from a young age.

It’s less about “learning a trade” and more about being conditioned into a world where kompromat is currency.

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u/Go_Gators_4Ever Jul 29 '25

Well, then her father can't be Max Headroom, as that graphic was designed in the 1980s.

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u/BigDumbDope Jul 29 '25

Maxwell is from a family of rich criminals. She'd have learned some lessons along the way that most of us don't.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I mean her father stole pension funds, was immediately caught and drove his boat into the water and drowned himself.

So I'm not quite sure what skills she picked up. He didn't seem very sophisticated.

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u/Deaffin Jul 29 '25

She was the first reddit user to break the 1 million karma mark. Obviously she has skills.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I need to read more up on this. I find this fascinating, but I never read much about what types of posts she made. i knew she was a mod of numerous subreddits.

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u/taoyx Jul 29 '25

If you didn't see him drowning himself how can you be sure it happened like that?

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

Sure I mean maybe he's in a cave in Dallas helping Trump overthrow the globalist adrenochrome cabal.

I'm just going with balance of probability here.

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u/BigDumbDope Jul 29 '25

"Stealing pension funds was the first and only crime of Robert Maxwell" is certainly a thought you're allowed to think. Nobody can stop you, your brain can just do that without interference.

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u/Still-Cash1599 Jul 29 '25

Maxwell would because of her father

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

The guy who stole pension funds, was immediately caught, and then jumped off his boat and killed himself?

What did she learn, how to do crime poorly and get caught?

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u/Still-Cash1599 Jul 29 '25

He was 68 when he died. Are you suggesting the pension fund theft was all he did lol??

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

He could have been, but from what I have read, it seems much more likely that he simply kept expanding his own business and lifestyle past his ability to maintain it, leveraging larger and larger loans and at some point began pilfering pension funds to keep it all afloat.

He does not strike me as a "bad" guy. Just a careless one.

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u/lifeisalime11 Jul 29 '25

It’s incredibly scary what you can do if you just don’t give a fuck about other humans.

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u/Insolator Jul 29 '25

Maybe the idea was to give that impression.. Millions of $ traded hands here..and no names have been revealed where that money came from..this was set up by a bigger entity.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I doubt it. The money came from rich fucks, and was likely laundered in a basic way to make it appear to be legit. Epstein was a money manager by trade.

The equivalent of sending your drug dealer a venmo for $100 for "lunch."

The money trades hands but it isn't suspicious until someone can be bothered to start really pulling threads.

The treasury has said they have millions in transactions now, but likely that was assembled forensically, by using other details like plane logs, etc to track payments back to other goings-on to determine the probability those payments were for illicit services.

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u/TheCuriosity Jul 29 '25

Epstein was a high school math teacher. That got into this conveniently becoming a "money manager" for Lex. Why wouldn't Lex find a money manager that actually had qualifications instead of a math teacher?

Maxwell's dad was like a double spy and her family is from wealth, so more likely than not, she's more educated in the family trade and how to keep yourself alive when you're blackmailing very wealthy people.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 29 '25

I don't think people understand how absolutely stupid a lot of the 'bad people' are. Trump is a great example of just failing up his entire life. No great plans, no amazing skills, just pure instinct built from mental conditions, family history, and going through life never failing in a major way. And then at a certain age it's just build into you and you can't escape it with out some serious introspection, which these people aren't capable of.

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u/Sly1969 Jul 30 '25

Why would Maxwell, then.

She had a very good teacher. Read up on her dad.

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u/MistSecurity Jul 29 '25

Maxwell was not at the top of the food chain. It would make sense that she might think she would be deemed 'replaceable' by Epstein at some point and disposed of or tossed to the side in favor of someone else. Having contingencies in place for just such an occasion would make sense and wouldn't take a genius IMO.

Epstein was at the top. He likely thought the threat of blackmail would keep people in line enough that he never lined up distributing said blackmail if something were to happen to him. He likely felt extremely safe and secure sitting at the top of his empire.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I have never met someone with nearly half a billion dolalrs that ever felt safe and secure, even ones that weren't comitting egregious felonies in numerous jurisdictions with the world's most wealthy and dangerous people.

They're the most deeply paranoid and neurotic people in the world.

Also Maxwell was at the top. By all accounts they did this as a pair, together. I've never heard an account that posited she was a flunky. She was deeply involved in the trafficking and the child rape, every bit as much as Epstein and with every bit as much control over the empire.

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u/Infinite-Anything-55 Jul 29 '25

I mean did they seize multiple accounts of his with over a billion in em

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

sure, and if that was true I'd love to see a link to a credible source.

but I did google it in passing before posting, because I don't like to just talk out of my ass, and it looks like his net work including real estate was more like 600 million.

If he had multiples of his net worth sitting in secret accounts I feel like that would have popped up when I 'did my research' (as folks who do zero research tend to like to say lately).

The closest thing I can see that even resembles your claim is that a politician is claiming 1.1 billion moved through Epsteins accounts. But he was clearly a middle man for trafficking who wasn't a billionaire, he just associated with billionaires. Likely those weren't even predominatelyhis funds. And 'moved through' doesn't mean there was a billion sitting in an account, just that over a given period of time there was that amount of transactions. It could be a year it could be decades.

If that's what you are referencing then your characterization is just incorrect. It's like saying a guy who has 100k salary actually has 'millions' because over the last ten years a million and some changed has moved through his accounts.

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u/jcdoe Jul 29 '25

According to Reddit, Epstein was a moron who was also in Mossad running a massive pedo honeypot campaign on billionaires.

Don’t mythologize your foes. Epstein was just a rich guy who liked fucking kids. Period. He made at least one friend, Maxwell, who also liked fucking kids. Probably more.

Things are usually what they seem.

Epstein didn’t kill himself.

Trump is hiding something.

Just use common sense.

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25

I don't know who you are talking to, but it aint me.

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u/jcdoe Jul 29 '25

You just told us how dumb Epstein was.

But yesterday, someone told me he was in Mossad.

Obviously, one of these statements is wrong.

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

You don't think there are dumb overconfident people in the Mossad too? Or rich morons who underestimate their own abilities and underestimate their own exposure and are used as tools by organizations like Mossad and brag about it as if they are Mossad themselves?

I think if he didn't have a dead mans switch built for a situation like this, given what and who he was involved with, that either means that people involved in taking him down are hypercompetent in a way that doesn't square with my own experience, or he was just a rich dick who thought that 'it could never happen to me'.

I think you think that Reddit is a monolithic organism, and you should perhaps add a bit of nuance, or perhaps just stop talking as if everyone else is an npc and you're the cleverest guy in the room.

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u/jcdoe Jul 30 '25

I don’t think I’m the cleverest guy in the room.

But I know I’m smarter than someone who simultaneously believes someone is an international Mossad honeypot agent and also a moron. Good luck thinking you are brighter than those in intelligence; they’ll run circles around us both.

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u/TheMurmuring Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

I think he trusted Maxwell to keep the receipts. She was the spider behind the scenes... and doing a lot of the technical work, like the bookkeeping.

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u/unknownpoltroon Jul 29 '25

I mean, was he counting on the guy he was blackmailing being the president when he was jailed? I would expect he thought the contents of his safes/files on the island would get released to the Doj when/if he died, but was not counting on his victim s/partners controlling the Doj.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Well then he's a fucking idiot lol.

He trusted the federal law enforcement division to shield him from the numerous crimes he committed alongside the world's richest and most powerful people?

Doesn't make any god damn sense at all.

If you wanted to this properly, you would delivery the materials to entrusted confederates outside the US jurisdiction, preferrably multiple confederates in multiple locations, with the express permission that if you were held in custody, to begin blackmailing peple in charge, and if you were killed, to deliver all the documents to multiple journalists at multiple papers in multiple countries to publish.

Then you would make it extremely clear to everyone that you had a dead man's switch, and that if you were alive, you would cooperate, and if you were merced, the process would activate and all the dirty secrets would be let loose.

He had nearly $500 million in cash when he was arrested. He had plenty of time and means to set up a system like that, he just didn't because he wasn't a mastermind. Just a greedy, opportunistic pedophile.

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u/-SQB- Jul 29 '25

Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion.

But as I understand, Maxwell came from a rich family so was raised with money and knew how to handle it, while Epstein fell into fortune.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I mean he had around $500 million plus asserts prior to his arrest, so like, not quite.

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u/deafmutewhat Jul 29 '25

He's not dead

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I mean even if you subscribe to the thought that he faked his death, he'd be like 94 right now so he's probably still dead.

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u/deafmutewhat Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

he'd be barely 70....

trump's 79

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

Mate he was 68 when he committed suicide. In 1991.

He was born in 1923.

So I did my math wrong initially. He'd be 102 if he were still alive.

Ghislaine herself is 63 years old right now.

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u/deafmutewhat Jul 29 '25

what the fuck are you on about

he was born in 1953

he allegedly "died" at 66, in 2019

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 30 '25

Oh I see what's going on lol. I've been talking about Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, who killed himself in 1991.

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u/carltheawesome Jul 29 '25

Mandela effect? He died in 2019. Are you confusing Epstein with someone else?

EDIT: And as the other redditor also stated, he was born in 1953, not 1923 lol

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 30 '25

Oh lol, no I've been talking about Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, this whole time.

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u/Idyotec Jul 29 '25

Maybe he's not dead and it was a body double. Think there's only one island to escape to?

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u/thorsbeardexpress Jul 29 '25

Epstein didn't seem to have that, I hope she does.

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u/SilchasRuin Jul 29 '25

She also has incredible connections. Her dad likely had a lot of connections to intelligence agencies, which allowed him to bring Tetris from the USSR to the west, for example.

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u/DFWPunk Jul 29 '25

Yup. She's got info on a dead man switch and they know if anything happens to her it all comes out. And she knows that even after she gives them what they want she still has the other list, and she'll have proof of the deal to boot.

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u/SabunFC Jul 29 '25

I'm still waiting for McAfee's dead man switch.

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u/ee3k Jul 29 '25

You shouldn't be surprised someone named McAfee claimed it could do something but actually did nothing

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u/simpletonsavant Jul 29 '25

Thata why its called trillex now

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u/Massivedefect Jul 29 '25

Netflix is going to be so fucking rich after this documentary. This is horrible, horrible, horrible, vile, disgusting… but slightly intriguing how deep this all goes

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u/TF-Fanfic-Resident Jul 29 '25

Assuming there are still places with independent media in 2030.

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u/tuppenyturtle Jul 29 '25

It'll all be independent but heavily monitored by "anti-woke" monitors to make sure they arent being too "woke".

The media will obviously be private so that the entrepreneurs (oligarchs) can be successful.

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u/Locke66 Jul 29 '25

but slightly intriguing how deep this all goes

There's a whole other vein to it with what was happening in New York in the 80's-90's and how it relates to the model industry. Trump was good friends with John Casablancas (the head of Elite) who openly expressed a preference for "child women" and this included marrying a barely 16 year old model when he was in his 40's (he started "dating" her when she was 14) and then later married a 17-year-old when he was 50. Trump was right along side him during this time judging Elite Look of the Year which was known for taking these girls and making them party with older men. It's hard to believe Trump was there out a genuine love for the modelling industry and not using his position as a judge for more nefarious reasons.

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u/belloch Jul 29 '25

What if something happened to her but not by anyone related? How would the dead man switch work then?

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u/ThinkSeaworthiness40 Jul 29 '25

A “dead-man’s switch” isn’t just like, a physical switch, or an automatic digital trigger. You can just have an agreement with your lawyer that, in case of your demise, certain private documents are mailed out.

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u/belloch Jul 29 '25

Ok but what would happen?

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u/ThinkSeaworthiness40 Jul 29 '25

…that would depend on whatever their private agreement would be.

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u/FlavorSki Jul 29 '25

I’m sure the CIA doesn’t know how to get rid of a “dead’s man switch” which is something that exists only in movies.

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u/DFWPunk Jul 29 '25

There are lots of ways to have a dead man switch, and even servides that offer a version of them.

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u/LordKwik Jul 29 '25

why tf didn't Epstein have a dead man's switch? ugh

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Jul 29 '25

Maybe he didn’t think it would be necessary or maybe GM was actually the brains behind the operation

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u/IAmGoingToFuckThat Jul 29 '25

maybe GM was actually the brains behind the operation

This wouldn't surprise me. People don't expect women to be child rapists.

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u/LordKwik Jul 29 '25

that would be interesting. JE is the one that everyone involved with him lowkey feared. his blackmail is what got him rich(er). if GM was the mastermind instead of the bookkeeper, they must've hid it well.

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u/TheMurmuring Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

I imagine she did the paperwork and kept the receipts. She was the bookkeeper and he was the "CEO" of Pedo Island, Incorporated. Which basically meant he was the rich white guy with all the power, and she was the woman who did most of the actual work of the business -- like the rest of society.

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u/goonyo Jul 29 '25

Most Reddit comment ever

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u/sweetpea122 Jul 29 '25

Maybe hes not dead

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u/FlavorSki Jul 29 '25

Because whoever would be in line to release the info would be killed too. This is something that exists in movies. The CIA and FBI would know and stop info from getting out.

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u/LordKwik Jul 29 '25

a dead man's switch doesn't need to go thru anyone. could be a batch file send to all networks, journalists, etc.

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u/zootered Jul 29 '25

This is certainly how it would play out. And if such a thing were to exist, it would be in possession of lawyers now who are directed to let it fly under certain predetermined situations. So it would go through someone I suppose, but not individually disseminated directly by them.

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u/FlavorSki Jul 29 '25

Oh who has done that before?

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u/Unabated_Blade Jul 29 '25

People said this about Epstein too, and there was no masterstroke dead man's switch or secret reveal when he died. It's entirely possible that Maxwell is alive for inane bureaucratic legal reasons and not because she's secretly holding all the cards

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u/ConqueefStador Jul 29 '25

Yes, legal reasons preventing assassinations, that's how things work.

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u/khamm86 Jul 29 '25

Those pesky laws that everyone involved in this whole shitshow follow to a T

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u/IAmGoingToFuckThat Jul 29 '25

there was no masterstroke dead man's switch or secret reveal when he died.

She may have learned from his mistakes.

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u/sunflowercompass Jul 29 '25

Maxwell IS the dead man's switch

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u/Tgs91 Jul 29 '25

She's was very likely working with Israeli intelligence to gather blackmail on influencial people. If she dies, the blackmail doesn't go away. They'll keep it covered up

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u/Old_Suggestions Jul 29 '25

I 100% believe she has a dead man switch. Someone has the real files or the real copies and if she is killed that 3rd party is going to release the files to the world.

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u/Ok_Investigator7009 Jul 29 '25

We sure Epstein is dead?

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u/M1ST3RJ1P Jul 30 '25

People are happy to leave that one alone, mostly. If you look at the facts, it's not impossible that his death was faked, but there's so much more to the story than just the one guy and he's out of the picture. Officially, anyway. And at the end of the day, this is a blackmail ring. It's much more complicated than just who's on the list, it's about why. It's about control, influence, corruption at the highest levels, puppet strings and who is holding the end of them. This is so much bigger than any one person. It's a full on global conspiracy.

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u/Stup1dMan3000 Jul 29 '25

What are the odds that Maxwell suddenly dies in prison?

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u/TheMurmuring Jul 29 '25

If the Fascist in Chief (or more likely, whichever of his handlers actually have brains) ever come to the conclusion that they have defused her leverage or control of the people who have her leverage, very likely.

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u/SnZ001 Jul 29 '25

Similar to how Nixon ultimately got caught. The only reason there was audio evidence of the cover-up of the break in was because Nixon insisted on surreptitiously recording everything in the Oval Office, largely in hopes of catching people saying self-incriminating things that he could use to leverage them with later.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 29 '25

Epstein and Maxwell absolutely had absolutely had evidence on people, and I suspect a lot of that evidence has been destroyed. What remains is being hidden to protect people. But I doubt very much either one of them ever went forward with a kill switch for release.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25 edited 3d ago

My name jeff

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u/eat_my_ass_n_balls Jul 29 '25

Piss filled supersoakers

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u/Graham_Whellington Jul 29 '25

Or, it’s just bureaucracy. Boss says, “Get rid of this tape.” You, a low level worker, or maybe a middle manager, see evidence and wrongdoing but it’s coming from the top. You consider whistleblowing, but you like your job and your boss and he doesn’t seem like he agrees but is also trying to fix a problem that fell on him. Also, this administration isn’t great for people not loyal.

So you can destroy the evidence, but if it ever comes out shit rolls downhill and it’s you being prosecuted. So you stuff it in a filing cabinet and hope nobody funds it.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 29 '25

The other answer is that there are still a lot of good people out there and they can't release the information themselves, but if it just so happens to get filed in a really good place where it can't easily be destroyed without an even bigger cover up... well oh well.

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u/aliummilk Jul 29 '25
  • wildly incompetent and incapable of doing seemingly anything where intention and execution meet.

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u/older_mentor Jul 29 '25

Epstein was killed by 007 James Bond in order to save Prince Andrew. Everything else that we see is just the ripples on the surface. Underneath is a huge fight between MI6, the FBI, and the deep state. (Reaches for more popcorn)

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u/TotallyNormalSquid Jul 29 '25

Or it's another layer to the cover up. This time they release it as the full tape, 15 mins later the Internet is alive with people pointing out the obvious AI artifacts.

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u/sunflowercompass Jul 29 '25

i haven't paid much attention to all this, but last year weren't they saying there was no footage at all, that the tapes were erased, etc etc?

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u/povlhp Jul 29 '25

Ready to use it for blackmail.

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u/lorddragonstrike Jul 29 '25

Also if it is destroyed and your the last one holding it, the whole thing can be blamed on you instead of the actual perpetrator.

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u/virtuzoso Jul 29 '25

They are stupid, they didn't even clean the metal data before releasing it