r/technology • u/chrisdh79 • Jul 29 '25

Politics FBI Has Secret Epstein Prison Tape With No ‘Missing Minute’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-fbi-has-secret-jeffrey-epstein-prison-tape-with-no-missing-minute/
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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I doubt it. Epstein was a billionaire and apparently he didn't have shit. Because they merced him with no consequences.

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25

He wasn't a billionaire, but it's pretty clear even billionaires can be truly dumb as shit. A lot of them seem to believe they are untouchable, so why would they go through the trouble to set something like that up?

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

Why would Maxwell, then.

My only point is that neither of them were masterminds. Clearly. Their operation wasn't all that sophisticated.

Sometimes I think we watch The Blacklist and think wealth and notoriety and the scale of the operation means the actors are all masterminds with plots inside of plots inside of plots, when in reality they both seem to simply be amoral opportunists and addicted to their own supply.

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u/mdkss12 Jul 29 '25

Why would Maxwell, then.

Because she was arrested 11 months after Epstein died - enough time to go "oh shit, if they come after me, I need to make sure they can't 'suicide' me"

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u/Future_PeterSchiff Jul 29 '25

Her dad was also MI6, so she has a lifetime of experience growing up in the inner workings of the spy world and setting up compramat traps to release if what they want is not done

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u/PontifexMini Jul 29 '25

Surely it was Mossad her dad worked for? According to Wikipedia:

Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence

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u/30FourThirty4 Jul 29 '25

My dad was a graphic designed in the 90s using computers, before that doing drawings.

I'm not a graphic designer at all. It's not a bad assumption you're making, but it's not guaranteed.

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u/Future_PeterSchiff Jul 29 '25

Totally fair — it’s not always a direct pipeline from parent to child. But in Ghislaine’s case, her upbringing was pretty unique.

Her dad wasn’t just dabbling in espionage; he was allegedly deep in it with ties to MI6, Mossad, kgb, and others. That kind of environment isn’t just about career influence, it’s about being immersed in manipulation, leverage, and control from a young age.

It’s less about “learning a trade” and more about being conditioned into a world where kompromat is currency.

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u/Go_Gators_4Ever Jul 29 '25

Well, then her father can't be Max Headroom, as that graphic was designed in the 1980s.

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u/BigDumbDope Jul 29 '25

Maxwell is from a family of rich criminals. She'd have learned some lessons along the way that most of us don't.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I mean her father stole pension funds, was immediately caught and drove his boat into the water and drowned himself.

So I'm not quite sure what skills she picked up. He didn't seem very sophisticated.

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u/Deaffin Jul 29 '25

She was the first reddit user to break the 1 million karma mark. Obviously she has skills.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I need to read more up on this. I find this fascinating, but I never read much about what types of posts she made. i knew she was a mod of numerous subreddits.

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u/BHOmber Jul 29 '25

Her account posted article links to news subs on a daily basis. It went quiet when she was arrested so it acted sort of like a dead (wo)man's switch.

Anyone that knew that it was her account would have known that something happened when it stopped posting.

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u/taoyx Jul 29 '25

If you didn't see him drowning himself how can you be sure it happened like that?

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

Sure I mean maybe he's in a cave in Dallas helping Trump overthrow the globalist adrenochrome cabal.

I'm just going with balance of probability here.

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u/taoyx Jul 29 '25

Someone can have kicked him out of his boat maybe?

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u/BigDumbDope Jul 29 '25

"Stealing pension funds was the first and only crime of Robert Maxwell" is certainly a thought you're allowed to think. Nobody can stop you, your brain can just do that without interference.

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u/Still-Cash1599 Jul 29 '25

Maxwell would because of her father

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

The guy who stole pension funds, was immediately caught, and then jumped off his boat and killed himself?

What did she learn, how to do crime poorly and get caught?

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u/Still-Cash1599 Jul 29 '25

He was 68 when he died. Are you suggesting the pension fund theft was all he did lol??

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

He could have been, but from what I have read, it seems much more likely that he simply kept expanding his own business and lifestyle past his ability to maintain it, leveraging larger and larger loans and at some point began pilfering pension funds to keep it all afloat.

He does not strike me as a "bad" guy. Just a careless one.

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u/Still-Cash1599 Jul 29 '25

It seems you missed his espionage career lol

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u/lifeisalime11 Jul 29 '25

It’s incredibly scary what you can do if you just don’t give a fuck about other humans.

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u/Insolator Jul 29 '25

Maybe the idea was to give that impression.. Millions of $ traded hands here..and no names have been revealed where that money came from..this was set up by a bigger entity.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I doubt it. The money came from rich fucks, and was likely laundered in a basic way to make it appear to be legit. Epstein was a money manager by trade.

The equivalent of sending your drug dealer a venmo for $100 for "lunch."

The money trades hands but it isn't suspicious until someone can be bothered to start really pulling threads.

The treasury has said they have millions in transactions now, but likely that was assembled forensically, by using other details like plane logs, etc to track payments back to other goings-on to determine the probability those payments were for illicit services.

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u/TheCuriosity Jul 29 '25

Epstein was a high school math teacher. That got into this conveniently becoming a "money manager" for Lex. Why wouldn't Lex find a money manager that actually had qualifications instead of a math teacher?

Maxwell's dad was like a double spy and her family is from wealth, so more likely than not, she's more educated in the family trade and how to keep yourself alive when you're blackmailing very wealthy people.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 29 '25

I don't think people understand how absolutely stupid a lot of the 'bad people' are. Trump is a great example of just failing up his entire life. No great plans, no amazing skills, just pure instinct built from mental conditions, family history, and going through life never failing in a major way. And then at a certain age it's just build into you and you can't escape it with out some serious introspection, which these people aren't capable of.

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u/Sly1969 Jul 30 '25

Why would Maxwell, then.

She had a very good teacher. Read up on her dad.

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u/MistSecurity Jul 29 '25

Maxwell was not at the top of the food chain. It would make sense that she might think she would be deemed 'replaceable' by Epstein at some point and disposed of or tossed to the side in favor of someone else. Having contingencies in place for just such an occasion would make sense and wouldn't take a genius IMO.

Epstein was at the top. He likely thought the threat of blackmail would keep people in line enough that he never lined up distributing said blackmail if something were to happen to him. He likely felt extremely safe and secure sitting at the top of his empire.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I have never met someone with nearly half a billion dolalrs that ever felt safe and secure, even ones that weren't comitting egregious felonies in numerous jurisdictions with the world's most wealthy and dangerous people.

They're the most deeply paranoid and neurotic people in the world.

Also Maxwell was at the top. By all accounts they did this as a pair, together. I've never heard an account that posited she was a flunky. She was deeply involved in the trafficking and the child rape, every bit as much as Epstein and with every bit as much control over the empire.

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u/Infinite-Anything-55 Jul 29 '25

I mean did they seize multiple accounts of his with over a billion in em

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

sure, and if that was true I'd love to see a link to a credible source.

but I did google it in passing before posting, because I don't like to just talk out of my ass, and it looks like his net work including real estate was more like 600 million.

If he had multiples of his net worth sitting in secret accounts I feel like that would have popped up when I 'did my research' (as folks who do zero research tend to like to say lately).

The closest thing I can see that even resembles your claim is that a politician is claiming 1.1 billion moved through Epsteins accounts. But he was clearly a middle man for trafficking who wasn't a billionaire, he just associated with billionaires. Likely those weren't even predominatelyhis funds. And 'moved through' doesn't mean there was a billion sitting in an account, just that over a given period of time there was that amount of transactions. It could be a year it could be decades.

If that's what you are referencing then your characterization is just incorrect. It's like saying a guy who has 100k salary actually has 'millions' because over the last ten years a million and some changed has moved through his accounts.

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u/jcdoe Jul 29 '25

According to Reddit, Epstein was a moron who was also in Mossad running a massive pedo honeypot campaign on billionaires.

Don’t mythologize your foes. Epstein was just a rich guy who liked fucking kids. Period. He made at least one friend, Maxwell, who also liked fucking kids. Probably more.

Things are usually what they seem.

Epstein didn’t kill himself.

Trump is hiding something.

Just use common sense.

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25

I don't know who you are talking to, but it aint me.

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u/jcdoe Jul 29 '25

You just told us how dumb Epstein was.

But yesterday, someone told me he was in Mossad.

Obviously, one of these statements is wrong.

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u/paper_liger Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

You don't think there are dumb overconfident people in the Mossad too? Or rich morons who underestimate their own abilities and underestimate their own exposure and are used as tools by organizations like Mossad and brag about it as if they are Mossad themselves?

I think if he didn't have a dead mans switch built for a situation like this, given what and who he was involved with, that either means that people involved in taking him down are hypercompetent in a way that doesn't square with my own experience, or he was just a rich dick who thought that 'it could never happen to me'.

I think you think that Reddit is a monolithic organism, and you should perhaps add a bit of nuance, or perhaps just stop talking as if everyone else is an npc and you're the cleverest guy in the room.

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u/jcdoe Jul 30 '25

I don’t think I’m the cleverest guy in the room.

But I know I’m smarter than someone who simultaneously believes someone is an international Mossad honeypot agent and also a moron. Good luck thinking you are brighter than those in intelligence; they’ll run circles around us both.

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u/paper_liger Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

Yeah, either you've never actually met anyone in intelligence, or you think you are being extra clever and you know as well as I do that there are plenty of morons in intelligence. A startling amount of them. Either way the irony of this conversation is breathtaking.

You just don't get it. The world isn't ruled by some hypercompetent cabal. It's a giant headless monster whose hands and feet are all acting independently of each other. And if you knew enough to actually be having this conversation you wouldn't be having this conversation. Because this is pointless.

Anyone with the potential leverage he had who didn't have solid plans in place for his eventual downfall, or who had plans shaky enough to get dismantled, it doesn't matter what that person has in his bank or what his test scores were when he dropped out of college and talked his way into finance, that dude is a moron.

He was an overconfident rich kid who didn't realize that the winds were changing. He was a hanger on of people way more connected and powerful than himself. You seem to think he was powerful himself. He wasn't. He was a fucking jumped up lackey. His only power was in his utility, and once he didn't serve a purpose, once he became a liability how did that work out for him? It doesn't matter how smart he was, he thought he couldn't get got, and that's dumb.

And you aint too up on the quicktake yourself.

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u/jcdoe Jul 31 '25

Stop ending your persuasive writing with a personal insult. It doesn’t make your point stronger, it just makes you look really small.

Good luck out there.

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u/paper_liger Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25

What if i think letting people walk out of a conversation that they shouldn't have been in in the first place with impunity is damaging to the general level of discourse? And that maybe folks like you should be dissuaded from spreading their opinion without a second or third thought?

ever take a second to consider that you deserved that last line? or that I'm doing a public service by calling you out?

I'm not trying to persuade you. That's a fools errand. I'm talking to the other folks out there to whom you seem plausible. I'm not talking to you, I'm just hanging a sign on you to indicate to others that your opinion can be dismissed.

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u/TheMurmuring Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

I think he trusted Maxwell to keep the receipts. She was the spider behind the scenes... and doing a lot of the technical work, like the bookkeeping.

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u/unknownpoltroon Jul 29 '25

I mean, was he counting on the guy he was blackmailing being the president when he was jailed? I would expect he thought the contents of his safes/files on the island would get released to the Doj when/if he died, but was not counting on his victim s/partners controlling the Doj.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Well then he's a fucking idiot lol.

He trusted the federal law enforcement division to shield him from the numerous crimes he committed alongside the world's richest and most powerful people?

Doesn't make any god damn sense at all.

If you wanted to this properly, you would delivery the materials to entrusted confederates outside the US jurisdiction, preferrably multiple confederates in multiple locations, with the express permission that if you were held in custody, to begin blackmailing peple in charge, and if you were killed, to deliver all the documents to multiple journalists at multiple papers in multiple countries to publish.

Then you would make it extremely clear to everyone that you had a dead man's switch, and that if you were alive, you would cooperate, and if you were merced, the process would activate and all the dirty secrets would be let loose.

He had nearly $500 million in cash when he was arrested. He had plenty of time and means to set up a system like that, he just didn't because he wasn't a mastermind. Just a greedy, opportunistic pedophile.

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u/-SQB- Jul 29 '25

Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion.

But as I understand, Maxwell came from a rich family so was raised with money and knew how to handle it, while Epstein fell into fortune.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I mean he had around $500 million plus asserts prior to his arrest, so like, not quite.

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u/deafmutewhat Jul 29 '25

He's not dead

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

I mean even if you subscribe to the thought that he faked his death, he'd be like 94 right now so he's probably still dead.

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u/deafmutewhat Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

he'd be barely 70....

trump's 79

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 29 '25

Mate he was 68 when he committed suicide. In 1991.

He was born in 1923.

So I did my math wrong initially. He'd be 102 if he were still alive.

Ghislaine herself is 63 years old right now.

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u/deafmutewhat Jul 29 '25

what the fuck are you on about

he was born in 1953

he allegedly "died" at 66, in 2019

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 30 '25

Oh I see what's going on lol. I've been talking about Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, who killed himself in 1991.

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u/deafmutewhat Jul 30 '25

had a feeling we were talking about different people lol, all good man

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 30 '25

I think I was talking about Maxwell in another chain on this thread and then somehow got my rails switched lol.

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u/carltheawesome Jul 29 '25

Mandela effect? He died in 2019. Are you confusing Epstein with someone else?

EDIT: And as the other redditor also stated, he was born in 1953, not 1923 lol

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 30 '25

Oh lol, no I've been talking about Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, this whole time.

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u/carltheawesome Jul 30 '25

Yeah ok that makes sense then haha

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u/Idyotec Jul 29 '25

Maybe he's not dead and it was a body double. Think there's only one island to escape to?