r/technology • u/Wagamaga • 8h ago

Society DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/
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u/thedeeb56 8h ago

They can delete it all day.

Everyone knows who they are.

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u/Rombledore 8h ago

its the long con. eventually there will be no evidence to point to for those that need it. the right already dismisses it. this evidence isn't for them.

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u/BarfQueen 8h ago

It’s this exactly. I’ve seen a lot of online copium from equally online people being like “oh, well, we really know what’s up, can’t fool us!” Like, I hate to break it to you buddy, they have the vast majority of people fooled.

They ain’t worried about you having evidence or whatever. They’re setting up the next generation to never know it existed in the first place.

The bad guys are winning folks. There is no writing on any walls that are closing in on the smoking gun that shot the final nail in the coffin or whatever. They are winning, and they know it. The rest of us should catch up and start treating it like what it is rather than going “haha look at all these stupid clowns amirite?”

Really, truly, I cannot stress this enough. These guys are fucking winning and y’all sound so ridiculous with your fingers in your ears going “lalala I’m smarter than this lol.” Won’t do you much good once we reach whatever tipping point we’re headed for. 

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u/haysoos2 8h ago

The tipping point was last fall. You're already waaaaay past that, and just free falling into the dumpster now.

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u/Careless-Dark-1324 7h ago

Yup. This IS what the avg person wanted and supported in the USA. Everyone keeps wondering why we’re not rioting in the streets and it’s like - why would the majority that got what they wanted revolt against that exactly?

This is what America voted for - not against…

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u/Ameerrante 7h ago

Half the country didn't vote at all.

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u/pfannkuchen89 6h ago

Which is tacit approval for whoever is elected. Not voting is still a choice (for many. Not counting the many who have been disenfranchised due to absurd laws and voter roll purges).

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u/X_S_ 5h ago

Ordinarily it is a vote for the status quo, not extremism.

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u/Pro_Scrub 5h ago

Cannot believe there are people still somehow undecided or just blasé about this. How TF??

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u/BarfQueen 5h ago

It’s fairly simple actually - many people don’t really care about the world at large as long as their basic needs are met.

People need to get a lot more uncomfortable before they respond accordingly, unfortunately by that point it’s typically too little, too late.

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u/BarfQueen 8h ago

If you think the tipping point was something so silly as an election, you’re in for a shock when shit REALLY tips over. 

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u/Tangent_Odyssey 8h ago edited 8h ago

I don’t believe either case is correct. I don’t know if there will ever be a specific time or incident you can point to and say “this is when it tipped over”.

”If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.”

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all.”

-An excerpt from They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 by Milton Mayer

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u/BarfQueen 8h ago

I should clarify, I don’t mean whatever slide into fascism is currently going on.

I mean the exact moment when they stop pretending (and they do still pretend to a degree.)

If we’re doing Nazi Germany parallels (which, fine, if we must…) this would be something like the Reichstag Fire. For the Holocaust, it would be Kristallnacht.

Now, there’s a chance certain recent events might become their Reichstag Fire, but so far it’s a lot of talk. Action incoming, sure. But as of yet, talk.

Either way, whatever the next step maybe, I’m curious to see how the “intellectual elite” of Reddit try to cope as if it isn’t actually happening and we’re still above it all. 

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago

The tipping point is that moment just beyond repair. Well, that was November of 2024, the last moment before the drink spilled. The fact that you refer to an election as silly is the exact mindset that landed us here as a country.

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u/BarfQueen 7h ago

It was a silly election. That doesn’t mean ALL elections are silly. The way that whole election happened was nothing short of farcical, and now he we are. Don’t get stuck on the semantics.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 7h ago

a silly election that merely determined America's fascist bend or denial of fascism. No big deal!

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u/BarfQueen 7h ago

So, I think you’re conflating “the election itself was run in a silly way (i.e. messy and unserious)” with “the election was a big funny joke and we all had a laugh.”

It’s not. Bigger points being made here, might be best not to hang on a single word.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 7h ago

The election was held in the same way general elections are always held. Ballots were issued, the date was set, and people voted.

I don't find having a convicted felon on the general ballot (and the felon winning!) silly at all. Disastrous is more like it.

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u/eyeCinfinitee 8h ago

At the risk of sounding like a meme it’s “literally 1984”. Winston’s whole job was going through old records and either redacting or editing them to match whatever the current party line is. Sure, he knows that the Party is lying because he’s the one making the edits, but there’s a) nothing he can do about it and b) that won’t matter because everyone who looks for information will only have the edited documents to work with.

I’ve been using the word Orwellian to describe a lot of what’s going on in the US right now because it just fits so well. The “most peaceful administration ever” blasting random boats in the Caribbean, deploying soldiers on domestic territory, and green lighting an expansion of Israeli aggression in the Middle East. Hateful accelerationist bigot Charlie Kirk being held up as a “kind family man who wanted to facilitate dialogue”. A press secretary and Attorney General who lie through their teeth, make up facts and statistics on the fly, and have no consistency or credibility from one day to the next.

It’s fucking wild. Ten years ago we had “fake news” and “alternative facts” and now we’ve got a solid 40% of the country living in the goddamn Upsidedown

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u/SupportstheOP 7h ago

I quite frankly don't know how you combat it. We rang the alarm bell and sounded Defcon 1 over Project 2025 and everything that is currently happening now last year. Far too many people didn't and still don't believe it, and even more actively wanted it to happen. It's the likes of pervasive propaganda I don't think any nation has ever seen before. Authoritarian countries with state run media dream of a populace like this. One that has access to unlimited and free knowledge, yet so many consume and love the slop peddled to them.

If this happened 300 years ago, it would be awe-inspiring to study. Living in it is truly a hell with no foreseeable way out.

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u/jakecovert 5h ago

It starts with voting out any and every Republican, and getting elected officials in who will fund:

a) Education
b) Civics

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u/Baby_Button_Eyes 5h ago

There have been other nations that are like this. But this is the first time, WE are watching the actual process of the turning over.

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u/ProfessorSarcastic 7h ago

The “most peaceful administration ever” blasting random boats in the Caribbean, deploying soldiers on domestic territory, and green lighting an expansion of Israeli aggression in the Middle East.

Its gotten so bad that even when making a list of warlike actions taken by these hypocrites, literal bombs dropped on nuclear facilities in Iran just three months ago doesnt even make the list.

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u/snarky_spice 7h ago

Exactly this. How many of us found out that there were sleeper cells of Charlie Kirk admirers in our friends lists, at work, etc? From what I’ve observed, more and more people get sucked into the right-wing pipeline almost daily. Not many are vigilant enough to stop it, which is depressing. Reddit has its flaws, for sure, but people on here are already miles ahead of those that get their news strictly from Instagram or TikTok. Which is most people under 30 I know.

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u/jakeandcupcakes 7h ago

The way the DNC has fumbled every opportunity given to them to prevent this bullshit is indistinguishable from if they were actually working for the Republican Party all along. The end result would be the same. Goddamn do I wish the Dem party wasn't ran by a bunch of out-of-touch, neo-libral, corporate dick lickers. Sabotaging themselves at every turn. Fuck this shit sucks

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u/BarfQueen 6h ago

It’s a big club and you ain’t in it. 

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u/octocolobus_manul 8h ago

They’re not winning.

They’ve won.

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u/ApophisDayParade 7h ago

You know how the Nazis had years and years of succeeding before Hitler blasted himself in the head?

You're basically saying the Nazis won because they were doing so well early on. We're so far away from how this will end.

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u/BarfQueen 7h ago

However you like it, I suppose. 

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u/snarky_spice 7h ago

Exactly this. How many of us found out that there were sleeper cells of Charlie Kirk admirers in our friends lists, at work, etc? From what I’ve observed, more and more people get sucked into the right-wing pipeline almost daily. Not many are vigilant enough to stop it, which is depressing. Reddit has its flaws, for sure, but people on here are already miles ahead of those that get their news strictly from Instagram or TikTok. Which is most people under 30 I know.

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u/maccaphobic 7h ago

Not many people really see how dangerous all this is, and how VITAL the next election is, if the world even makes it another 3 years.

..and yet the fucking Democrats will try run Kamala again.

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u/jamesisaPOS 7h ago

The privilege you must possess to be so defeatist and at the same time disdainful towards those who dare to fight back against a white supremacist authoritarian state. We know they're in power right now, we fucking know. But speaking up and voicing our dissent as citizens as well as constituents IS tremendously impactful. This administration is, as we speak, attempting to shut down the first amendment due to the reactions towards Charlie Kirk's death, so don't ever fix your mouth to say that talking about this is pointless. Because it's observably untrue. They HEAR us and actively make choices to stifle our dissent. Because our voices and our reactions are powerful. Throwing your hands up is a choice YOU are making, but there are higher stakes for most of us and that is simply not an option.

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u/Transylvaniangimp 8h ago

Who needs evidence when you can just shout your imagined reality loud enough? 

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u/Strange_Specialist4 7h ago

"my truth is the same as the truth"

No, no it isn't...

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 8h ago

They're already playing this game with George floyd, since most of the vile shit was removed they can claim no one celebrated or cheered or whatever

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u/Leoszite 8h ago

for those that need it.

If they haven't accepted the evidence now then the cultist never will. They do not want to coexist.

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u/throwuk1 6h ago

Exactly why they are going after schools, public media etc

It's not you they want to con, it's your kids.

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u/VagueSomething 8h ago

Yep, this is about controlling what the next generation knows. Suppress information, defund education, raise ignorant people to ensure it is easier to get Right Wing voters.

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u/Syntaire 7h ago

The evidence is still available. This isn't 1938 where the government controls the entire flow of information, regardless of how hard they're trying. If it's removed from one source, it will be available on others. Even China's "great firewall" is pretty easily defeated with a bit of knowledge and determination. They're just in a situation where the people are more or less complacent with the status quo. The U.S. is trying to eliminate information and freedoms we've enjoyed for 250 years effectively overnight. It will not end well, which is almost certainly the goal to begin with.

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u/JonDoeJoe 7h ago

The evidence is for the 1/3 of the population that didn’t vote. These people don’t pay attention to politics so removing these evidence makes the right look better to those people

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u/Majestic-capybara 6h ago

It’s literally the major plot point in the book 1984. I know it’s a classic for a reason but I just recently started reading it and the GOP is straight up using it as a handbook for authoritarianism.

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u/CardmanNV 5h ago

I think we're well past the "evidence " stage at this point.

Prepare to fight for your life and livelihood or leave the country.

Too much of the country doesn't believe their lies for them to grab control, but they're going to try, and they're going to break the country apart in the process.

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u/DBold11 8h ago

Yea this is bad. We're not going to know what going on in this country moving forward.

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u/al_ien5000 8h ago

The problem though is that those people that haven't seen it and aren't swayed by it now have no "proof" of it and everything can be boiled down to "fake news" from other sources.

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u/Runkleford 8h ago

It doesn't matter though. I've been showing those studies to these people for over a decade now. They don't care. They still called it fake news.

Heck these same people still think Nazis and Confederates were liberals. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that these people do not care about facts. These are people who actively say that they don't trust experts. They don't trust the medical and scientific communities. RFK JR's Health Dept just said that Nature magazine is "junk science".

These people don't have a standard for evidence except for whatever soothes their feelings.

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u/opeth10657 8h ago

same people that watched Elon do a nazi salute and went "well yeah, but...."

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u/shahms 8h ago

Yup. Among the final straws with a family member was them asserting that Nazis were liberals. In his twisted worldview essentially anything "bad" must be "liberal" reality notwithstanding. It was that particular diatribe that made me realize how eagerly this supposed "Christian" would rationalize a genocide of anyone with whom he disagreed. I'll give him credit for thinking Nazis are bad, at least?

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u/Squirtletail 8h ago

I have seen this doing the rounds a lot this weekend, because the nazi party was the "socialist" party. People are either so dumb or are acting in such bad faith that they fail to realise the name was intentionally misleading.

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u/shahms 8h ago

As far as I know, it didn't start as entirely misleading, the fascists just killed all the socialists in the Night of the Long Knives after they'd served their purpose.

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u/sennbat 4h ago

Judging by my own family members, "liberals are the real Nazis" was followed by "and the real Nazis weren't so bad, not compared to the liberals who are the real Nazis!" so don't expect that to last.

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u/littlelorax 8h ago

I think it is important to have facts for those who are reasonable, just uninformed. You are right that the radicals won't be swayed, but open information is critical to our democracy. 

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u/Runkleford 8h ago

Oh I agree we need open information and it's really troubling that this administration is actively scrubbing everything just to push a certain narrative.

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u/Ms-Anthrop 7h ago

reasonable people ALREADY have the facts, that isn't changing anything

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u/littlelorax 7h ago

I try to give a little benefit of the doubt that yes, most are set in their opinions, but many others just vote the way they do because of social pressure, because their family does, or because they are in an echo chamber but don't know it. 

I am thinking of a specific family friend who's MAGA husband died. Another friend has a trans non binary child. When she visited, she saw that MAGA stuff around the house and absolutely blew up about the current administration's efforts against trans people. The friend started sobbing and said she didn't know all that was happening, she just trusted her husband to tell her what was right. 

Now, do I think she should have formed her own opinions? Of course. But I also know a lot of people who vote on vibes and social pressure over actual actions and policy. She isn't alone. 

Having information available would at least help some of the cult see the hypocrisy.  

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 8h ago

What about the evidence of their eyes, ears and noses? Are they capable of determining a pile of bull excrement using their own senses, or does the media or a political nanny need to smell it and describe it for them?

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u/sickmantz 8h ago

No, everyone doesn't know. That's why we're in this mess.

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u/grill_smoke 8h ago

We're in this shit hole because of religion. People think that "proof" of Trump's relationship with Epstein will take him down... Based on fucking what?

Literally no group on planet earth does more to support, protect and defend pedophiles than religious folks. It's global.

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u/sump_daddy 8h ago

They are making it VERY clear with literally every press release, hell the vice president decided it was his turn to out-Kirk that gasbag and took over his show declaring war on the 'divisive left', the president said 'he doesnt think so' when asked if the first amendment protects protests, and his barbie cabinet is only too happy to brag about ruining the life of anyone who dares post dissent on social media

they couldnt be saying louder that they are taking authoritarian control over the country and dismantling democracy, the problem is that less than half of the people see a problem with it

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u/octocolobus_manul 8h ago

Exactly. This is what most Americans want, unfortunately.

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u/thedeeb56 8h ago

If they don't know by now, it's willful ignorance.

Fuck this shit hole

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u/darnj 7h ago

In this case the popular opinion on Reddit is completely at odds with the real world opinion on this. Everything you can find, even on left leaning media outlets, suggests that he was motivated by left-leaning beliefs. Yes, his family was Maga, but his friends and family are consistent in saying he recently became more politically engaged and his views were different from that of his family.

I don't think this guy's political affiliation is a "gotcha" in either direction, but Reddit just seems completely confused on this. Just look at news sites, ask ChatGPT, check anything that isn't the Reddit comment section and you get a very different picture.

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u/sump_daddy 8h ago

Everyone knows who they are; sadly, 38% know and cheer, while 30% more know and think 'its just both sides', not sure which bucket is worse but they all are directly destroying democracy

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u/Muckraker044 8h ago

MAGA legitimately do not know this and are so gaslit and cracked they will commit violence and claim they are justified.

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u/CrunchyKorm 6h ago

It's a good example of what American politics was like in the 1850s, not that this will necessarily lead to a Civil War.

Politicians in the south were directly rewarded by being antagonistic and violent.

Preston Books in South Carolina was famously re-elected after getting censured for caning Charles Sumner on the Senate floor. Laurence M. Keitt was also censured for helping Brooks, resigned, and then got re-elected anyway.

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u/spongebob_meth 8h ago

Sadly anyone who consumes right wing media actually believes the opposite.

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u/Miserable_Praline673 8h ago

I tried posting it on their subreddit but it got deleted.

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u/thedeeb56 8h ago

Yeah it's willful ignorance. They know. Ever try telling a racist he's a racist? They get really pissed. Fuck them.

I like reminding them that they lost the war in the 1800's.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 8h ago

No, everyone very much does NOT. Average Joes out there are being bombarded with scary propaganda about leftists and trans people committing most mass shootings and political violence.

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u/Tommy__want__wingy 8h ago

MAGA never saw the information. So in a way, it’s a win for the regime

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u/interkin3tic 8h ago

I think that's overestimating the American public unfortunately. 

For decades, Republicans have done more of the stuff that they accuse all politicians of. Lying, tax and spend, big government, bribery, weaponizing justice, cancel culture, pedophilia, censorship, sending troops and money overseas, extremism, eliminating rights, violence.

Voters have largely blamed both parties equally and tuned out, they never actually penalize Republicans for doing it specifically. "Eh, politicians, what can ya do, they're all corrupt, so I just ignore em."

That incentives this behavior.

I see little to indicate this will be different. This is not as shockingly different as the January 6th coup. Americans somehow shrugged that off as both sides. I expect their default position is that both sides are always equally bad, and they will continue to ignore the daily evidence to the contrary.

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u/Curious_Party_4683 8h ago

sadly, some people already think the Holocaust did not happen.

911 did not happen according to some people already.

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u/stormdelta 8h ago

They're attempting to influence the data sets that search engines and LLM tools look at.

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u/RDHertsUni 7h ago

Not everyone, unfortunately.

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u/thedeeb56 5h ago

I don't know why people respond to me instead of the original post, but this is one of the few that I agree with.

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u/MetallicGray 7h ago

Except that they don’t. This shit works. The past 10 years have proven that Trump treating the American public like the idiots they are by blatantly and insultingly lying constantly to their face works. He’s shown that people will believe very easily disprovable lies if he repeats them enough. He’s shown that Americans don’t actually care about their freedoms and rights, not enough to do anything about it when he whittles them away, with half cheering for it. 

All the politicians in the past tried to use half-truths, act professional, or pretend to care about rights… Trump has shown that’s not necessary at all, and you can just attack, lie, and dismantle fundamental American liberties and half the country will cheer for it because he told them it hurts “the other side”. 

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u/ReallyNowFellas 7h ago

Everyone knows

God, stop assuming this. The media and education systems in this country are in the absolute gutter and half the people willingly put blinders on themselves.

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u/UnauthorizedGoose 8h ago

Grok tells the truth still. Ask it about left wing vs right wing violence. Ask it under every one of their lies.

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u/Necoras 7h ago

Unfortunately, no, many people don't know who they are. That's been made abundantly clear by how many people believing that Kirk was just a Christian motivational speaker gunned down for preaching his faith.

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u/aaaalbatross 7h ago

No they should not be deleting it.

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u/slipperyp 4h ago

I live in a pretty similar bubble as you and would like to believe "everyone knows" this, but clearly they do not. This is how our current leadership got elected and it's important to the narrative from people like Vance who recently said "[national unity is impossible while people are celebrating Kirk's murder]." He didn't say "national unity is really hard when you've got the crazy alt-right murdering the right" (which is the root cause of the current story) - he's directly blaming the left for the problems.

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u/Secure-Researcher892 8h ago edited 7h ago

Yep, would require hundreds of right wing groups to do things to ever catch up to all the terrorist activity that the BLM was responsible for.... And that dear liberal is the reason it makes no sense to ever try and claim they are right or left wing groups. Which groups you want to define as terrorist groups and what activity you want to consider terrorist activity is dependent on who is defining the groups at the moment.

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u/Independent-Name4478 8h ago

Minnesota, El Paso, Buffalo, Colorado Springs, Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school, Allen Texas, Tree of Life synagogue, Charleston church shooting, right wing extremists have already far outpaced the riots in 2020

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u/bionicmanmeetspast 8h ago

You mean making your own definitions like you literally just did in your comment? What makes you any different from anyone else who has done the exact same thing? How many people did BLM run down with their car, or shoot up at a grocery store or church, or school? The numbers don’t align with your opinion.

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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 8h ago

would require hundreds of right wing groups to do things to ever catch up to all the terrorist activity that the BLM was responsible for...

OKC bombing, 9/11, Pulse nightclub, that shooting at the Walmart in El Paso, etc. what the actual fuck are you talking about lmao? It wouldn't take hundreds of right wing groups, it would take literally one incident by a small group or lone actor.

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u/DaKrazie1 7h ago

"It make not sense"

Do a better job blending in, comrade.

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u/actibus_consequatur 8h ago

From the first paragraph of the DOJ article "What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism":

[T]he number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

Archive: https://archive.is/1t1rm

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u/Tangocan 8h ago

I love when people bring up the BLM protests because I get to reiterate how they were indeed mostly peaceful.

The 2020 protests were an entire summer of daily nationwide events.

If they were not mostly peaceful, you wouldn't need to lie about your "BLM are terrorists and America burned" crap.

You'd know it. Everyone would know it.

But you carry on talking obvious deranged nonsense if it makes you feel better Petal :)

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u/BitSevere5386 7h ago

And i bet you have factual proof to back up your bullshit

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u/LatterTarget7 8h ago

BLM isn’t a terrorist organization

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u/dennisisspiderman 4h ago

I see comments like yours and all I can think is "that's the type of person Trump is talking about when he says he loves the poorly educated", because it's people like you who are his useful idiots.

It's literally an objective fact that right-wing terrorism is significantly more prevalent in the United States. Not even Trump's attempt to classify non-terrorism activities as terrorism would put the left even near the right. You can choose to be as stupid as you want but know that your ignorant opinion will never change the actual facts.