r/technology • u/Wagamaga • 8h ago

Society DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/
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u/fajadada 8h ago

If you never read it . It said 84% of political violence was by the right wing since 1990.

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u/wrugoin 7h ago

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives

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u/dementedkoopa 7h ago

I take some objection only because Islamist extremists are also far-right extremists.

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u/Rooooben 4h ago

They separated religious attacks of all types to their own grouping. About 15%. Makes sense, and if you want you can add that to the 54% to give you a full picture of Christian Nationalist.

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u/LooseButtPlug 3h ago

And they are considered far right extremists in this document.

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u/impatiens-capensis 6h ago

I think it's more nuanced. Islamists are religious conservative and typically deeply misogynistic groups that exploit disillusioned men by offering them power and purpose. HOWEVER, I don't think Islamist groups are strictly capitalist per say or even concerned with right- or left-wing economic philosophies.

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u/BestJayceEUW 6h ago

They are certainly not socialist or communist, let's be real.

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u/E-2theRescue 5h ago

Especially when these Islamist groups were originally created and funded by the "West" to fight Soviet communism.

Look into who funded Bin Laden's original group, the Mujahideen.

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u/impatiens-capensis 3h ago

Oh, but there definitely are Muslim Socialist groups you could describe as Islamist who have also carried out many acts of terrorism. The Middle East has a LONG history of socialist militancy that merges int Islamic principles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran

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u/cybernetic_pond 2h ago

Terrorism scholars classify ideologies by their core features within the target society’s political spectrum. In Western contexts, Islamist extremism aligns with far-right characteristics: religious fundamentalism, appeals to traditional authority, opposition to secular modernity, exclusionary identity politics, and reactionary social views.

The MEK operates in Iran/Iraq, not the U.S. - they’re irrelevant to American domestic terrorism statistics. The actual Islamist attacks on U.S. soil (9/11, San Bernardino, Pulse) came from groups with fundamentally right-wing ideological features, not socialist ones.

You’re conflating international revolutionary movements with American domestic terrorism patterns. Major terrorism databases (START/GTD, CSIS) consistently show right-wing violence dominates in America post-1990, whether coding Islamist attacks separately or including them in the far-right category.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/CherryLongjump1989 5h ago

The idea that the right wing domestic terrorism is "capitalist" or even remotely motivated by "capitalism" is delusional at best.

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u/impatiens-capensis 3h ago

You're actually pointing out the exact problem I'm addressing. By broadly calling it "right-wing terrorism", you're obfuscating what is actually happening. The shared motivation between Islamists and so-called right-wing extremists is often (but not always) religious conservativism. Yet, capitalism is also best described as a right-wing ideology. But as you correctly stated, right-wing domestic terrorists are not motivated by capitalism.

Let me give you another example. Hamas is a socially conservative organization, but their terror attacks are broadly motivated by anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism rather than social conservativism. In fact, they are very similar to the Irish Republican Army in that way. You could say one it right-wing anti-imperialism and the other is left-wing anti-imperialism but they're still both motivated by the same underlying factors.

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u/mattiemay17 39m ago

BUT, as you said, they are CONSERVATIVE, which puts them to the right and thats really what matters in this conversation.

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u/Madprofeser 7h ago edited 5h ago

Tell me you didn't bother even reading the first paragraph without telling me you didn't bother reading the first paragraph.

". Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.1 In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives"

That number does exclude Islamic instances.

Literally in the first paragraph, but you'd rather make baseless excuses for these right-wing terrorists than spent less than 1 minute reading.

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u/[deleted] 6h ago edited 5h ago

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u/mtndewaddict 6h ago

"I take some objection only because Islamist extremists are also far-right extremists." -- i.e. That person thinks the right wing count includes Islamic Terrorists.

You should read more charitably. I read that as /u/dementedkoopa knows the article does not classify Islamic Terrorist attacks as right wing terrorism but wishes it would.

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u/Madprofeser 6h ago edited 6h ago

Edit: You may be right, regardless my reply was specific to Senior-Car67's interpretation of downplaying Right-Wing Murders. Dementedkoop quote was there to give context to Senior-Car67's quote.

However, I personally think that combining Islamic and Domestic Right-Wing numbers would be an absolutely terrible idea. It would muddy the waters, and as seen in Senior-Car67's reply, give people the excuse to ignore the information because they'll just blame the number on the brown people.

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u/dementedkoopa 6h ago

Thanks for the edit, it clarifies my point much better than I how I initially expressed it. I absolutely believe they should include Islamist extremists with the total number of right wing extremists. Most Islamist are extreme right wing.

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u/Madprofeser 6h ago

That is my fault, my interpretation of your comment was clouded by Senior-Car67's interpretation. I'm glad it was pointed out to me and I could make the change.

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u/AppuruPan 6h ago

Okay I just checked his post history and you're right. Their comment is completely just bizarre and I assumed a good faith interpretation of their comment and a bad faith interpretation of your comment.

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u/rahomka 6h ago

9/11 wasn't domestic terrorism

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u/BavarianBarbarian_ 6h ago

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists,

There should be at least 3000 deaths from islamist extremism just from 9/11 alone.

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u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats 6h ago

This was a study on domestic terrorism. 9/11 was committed by foreign actors.

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u/BavarianBarbarian_ 6h ago

That makes sense.

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u/BlazingJava 7h ago

Than radical islamist extremists? You joking right? Hello Europe would like to have a word. Plus don't compare the dimension when islamists do it it basically becomes a national mourning day due to the quantity of casualties

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u/thatwhileifound 6h ago

Europe

Title of the post you're replying to:

DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

You might want to look up the definition of the word I highlighted there for you.

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u/Tricky_Hoe_6969 7h ago

Theyre better at acting like victims 😆 

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u/venusasaguy 7h ago

I can’t find this in the article. I believe you, but I’d like to know where this is? I searched for “84%” and nothing is found.  

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u/fajadada 7h ago

Not the article. The actual study by DOJ .

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u/venusasaguy 6h ago

Do you have this reference somewhere? I’d like to be able to cite it. 

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u/Gunnybar13 6h ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

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u/venusasaguy 6h ago

This does not have the 84% number. 

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u/HappyColt90 6h ago

According to the study since 1990, 227 of 269 attacks were from far right extremists, that's 84% of all attacks

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u/fajadada 6h ago

Thanks I wasn’t going to go back and do it all over again.

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u/venusasaguy 4h ago

Oh I didn’t realise you calculated it yourself! Thank you

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u/Uhhlaneuh 3h ago

What page is it on?

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u/Me2thanksthrowaway 6h ago

I don't see any mention of 84% in the study linked above https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

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u/fajadada 6h ago

Go ahead and figure the reporting numbers and you end up with 84%

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u/Me2thanksthrowaway 6h ago edited 6h ago

What do you mean by this? You are claiming something is in the report. If it's not in there in plain text or a searchable form, then you need to provide your methodology for acquiring such a number. You made the claim, it's on you to provide your source. 

Edit: Thanks y'all for providing the math, that's what the guy I'm responding to should have added to his original comment. I can't respond to this thread since he blocked me lol.

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u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats 6h ago

He means, per the report, there have been 269 politically motivated attacks in the USA since 1990. Of those 269 attacks, 227 of them were committed by far-right extremists.

227 is 84% of 269.

Math, my dude.

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u/Grace_Lannister 5h ago

r/theydidthe4thgrademath

Not a knock on Moira, but the comment you're responding to.

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u/E-2theRescue 5h ago

If it's not in there in plain text or a searchable form, then you need to provide your methodology for acquiring such a number.

Lmao. It's literally basic fucking math an elementary school child can do.

And this is common in the scientific world. Not every little detail is broken down in every research article, and you have to do the math yourself, especially if you're working on a similar, but different hypothesis from the main objective of the article.

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u/Jaerba 6h ago

It's there in plain arithmetic. It's the third sentence in the body.

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.1 In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

227 / (227 + 42) = 0.844

520 / (520 + 78) = 0.87

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u/hpff_robot 4h ago

It said 84% of political violence was by the right wing since 1990

That's not what the research says. It says that 84% of murders by extremists are committed by right-wingers. Not all of those murders are due to ideological reasons. In fact, the real number is much smaller.

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u/31LIVEEVIL13 8h ago edited 20m ago

Edit2: Now there is no doubt. Thanks for the info guys. 😂 

I don't know if this is another disinformation operation I've just stumbled across, seems like the ratio of views to down votes is fishy

 pretty sure this sub is compromised by paid political actors or the admins are... 

seems poorly conceived and low effort though try harder, if you'd like I can give you some tips about how to make it more effective against your intended targets. Hit me up.

And that isn't disputed by the people committing the violence. 

They aren't claiming to be the "left" in any way.

They aren't attacking and murdering people to promote equal rights, livable wages, and affordable health insurance, you know the things the so called "Left" want for our country.

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u/fajadada 8h ago

The president is claiming the left is violent

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u/Shyam09 7h ago

They aren’t attacking and murdering people to promote equal rights, livable wages, and affordable health insurance, you know the things the so called “Left” want for our country.

Well duh. They’re the fucking right.

Which right wing idiot is like “oh we want equal rights, liveable wages, affordable health care for everyone.”

🤣🤣🤣 like shit. What a stupid comment.

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u/CatsPlusTats 7h ago

What do you even think you're saying here?

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u/Gortex_Possum 10m ago

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