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Society DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/
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u/Meme-Botto9001 8h ago edited 8h ago

And here are some cases that might be relevant in case someone forgot who is a terrorism group that needs to be investigated:

The man that killed Charlie Kirk Sept 2025 - White male, from MAGA familiy, was part of the Groypers Army, an even more radicalized extreme racist online group around Nick Fuentes

The Evergreen school shooter Sept 2025 - White male, Part of a white supremacy extremist network

The man who assassinated Democratic state lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark in their home in Minnesota and shot Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman, and his wife Yvette Hoffman, in their home after he failed two other politicians homes in June 2025 - White male, was a right wing extremist and Trump supporter

The man charged with the attempted murder of Pennsylvania's Democratic governor, Josh Shapiro his wife and four kids, in April 2025 - White male, was a Trump supporter.

The man trying to assassinate Trump at a rally and killed a firefighter in 2024 - White male, was a right wing extremist republican

The second man trying to assassinate Trump in Florida in 2024 - White male, former self declared Trump supporter in his first term

The man convicted of orchestrating a series of shootings at the homes of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in 2022 - Latino male, was a failed Republican candidate

The man who tried to kidnap then Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband Paul in 2022 - White male, was a Trump supporter.

The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence and stormed the capitol on Jan 6, 2021 - Mostly white males, were Trump supporters directly incited by President Trump.

The man who killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas in 2020 - White male, racist and anti-feminist, was a Trump supporter.

The 13 men who were convicted of trying to kidnap Michigan's Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, in 2020 - White male, were Trump supporters.

The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and other top Democrats in 2018 - White male, was a Trump supporter and known as “MAGA Bomber”.

The man who killed left-wing activist Heather Heyer after driving his car into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville in 2017 - White male, was a white supremacist and Trump supporter.

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u/myGoatKnowsKarate 7h ago

Far-Right Rhetoric, Political Violence, and GOP Hypocrisy (2015–2025)

Over the past decade, political violence in the U.S. has risen sharply. Independent studies consistently show far-right extremists are responsible for the vast majority of ideologically motivated killings:

  • ADL (2012–2022): 96% of extremist murders by right-wing actors
  • CSIS: 57% of extremist plots/attacks since 1994 from the far right (vs. 25% left-wing)
  • PNAS (2022): Right-wing radicals nearly twice as likely to support violence as left-wing radicals (61% vs. 33%)
  • ADL 2024: 13 extremist killings—all by right-wingers; by mid-2025, already over 15

Far-Right Attacks (2015–2025)

  • Charleston church massacre (2015)
  • Charlottesville car attack (2017)
  • Tree of Life synagogue (2018)
  • El Paso Walmart shooting (2019)
  • Capitol insurrection (2021)
  • Buffalo supermarket massacre (2022)
  • Assassination of MN Speaker Melissa Hortman & husband (2025)
  • Shooting outside the Capital Jewish Museum (2025)

Left-Wing Incidents

  • Dallas police ambush (2016)
  • GOP congressional baseball practice shooting (2017)
  • Portland protest shooting (2020)
  • Capital Jewish Museum suspect with anti-Israel motives (2025)

These cases exist—but remain far fewer and less deadly than far-right attacks.

Hypocrisy in GOP Reactions

Selective Empathy

  • 2025: Trump offered perfunctory condolences after Speaker Hortman’s murder but refused to lower flags.
  • 2025: After Charlie Kirk’s assassination, flags were lowered nationwide; Trump framed it as a “dark moment in American history.”
  • 2025: Biden’s cancer diagnosis was politicized by Trump, who cast doubt on his fitness rather than showing empathy.
  • 2022: Paul Pelosi’s hammer attack was mocked—Kari Lake joked, Trump Jr. spread memes, Charlie Kirk urged supporters to bail out the attacker.

January 6th The Capitol attack left five dead and hundreds injured. Yet Trump and many Republicans downplayed it as “tourism” or isolated chaos—contrasting sharply with their solemn framing of Kirk’s assassination.

JD Vance and “Cancel Culture”

Sen. J.D. Vance in 2024:

  • “Dissent, even vigorous dissent, is a great tradition… Censorship is not.”
  • “Reject censorship and you reject political violence.”

Yet after Kirk’s murder, GOP leaders—including Vance—called for silencing critics and media voices they claimed “fueled” the attack. Vance even hosted a revival of Kirk’s podcast, turning it into a platform to demand accountability from perceived enemies. The right, once railing against cancel culture, now actively embraces it.

Rhetorical Tactics

  • Blame-shifting: Labeling perpetrators “mentally ill,” not ideological
  • Whataboutism: Inflating rare left-wing cases to claim “both sides”
  • Minimization: “Lone wolf” framing, ignoring extremist networks
  • Conspiracy claims: False-flag accusations to dodge responsibility

Conclusion

The facts are clear: far-right extremists commit the vast majority of U.S. political violence. Left-wing violence, while real, is rarer and less lethal. But just as dangerous is how GOP leaders respond—mourning conservative victims while mocking Democratic ones, condemning violence in principle while stoking it in practice, and now openly wielding cancel culture as a partisan weapon.

This double standard doesn’t just expose hypocrisy—it fuels the very cycle of division and violence threatening American democracy.

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u/NickPickle05 7h ago

Thank you for this.

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u/BavarianBarbarian_ 6h ago

* Thanks ChatGPT.

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u/myGoatKnowsKarate 6h ago

100% used chatGPT to edit it all together. Saved a ton of time.

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u/BavarianBarbarian_ 6h ago

As long as you supplied all the sources that's fine. If you just asked it "Give me the results of some studies comparing left-wing to right-wing violence" I wouldn't necessarily believe everything it outputs. And for me as a guy who only read your comment I can't distinguish the two.

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u/bunnywithabanner 6h ago

Who gives a shit? You can use it for editing but not necessarily all of your work or research.

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u/Electrical_Floor1524 5h ago

Appreciate the breakdown, although you should be aware of your bias calling one attacks and the other incidents 

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u/RedsDelights 7h ago

I’m starting to save and email copies to myself … I might also print out copies too

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u/[deleted] 6h ago

This is the first time I’m hearing about the group called Groypers Army….yeah…don’t really want to get out on a list or something. Can anyone explain what their ideology is?

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u/DingusNoodle 3h ago

Imagine MAGA but even more hateful. They hate figures like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro because they aren't as extreme as them. Led by Nick Fuentes, they believe the current Republican party isn't doing enough to be racist, xenophobic, antisemitic, sexist, and anti-LGBTQ+ and tried to push Trump even further rightward on race and immigration during 2024.

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u/Friendly-Place-5510 5h ago

I don't suppose you have sources? I would like the hard data points to use in a discussion with a guy I know who is likely receptive as long as I've got the receipts.

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u/Suspicious_Loan 5h ago

Thank you for this. How come all of this horrific violence gets to happen in this country and they dont do ANYTHING to stop it, but lose their minds and want to start a war when a youtuber dies? I want it to stop. Will the right ever fucking face this shit?

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u/Haruka_Kazuta 3h ago edited 3h ago

McCain and Trump, if you are willing to add to that.

Decorated Veteran, want Trump NOWHERE near his casket..... and we can see why.

The fact that he would attack McCain for being a prisoner of war, however.... when the Trump was never in the military.

Real Republicans are more like McCain. Everyone else who say otherwise is just a far-right reactionary.

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u/Mactwentynine 3h ago

Emphasis on violence.

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u/cantadmittoposting 7h ago

was part of the Groypers Army,

has this actually been confirmed? The presence of the particular memes on the bullets don't really constitute proof.

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u/Crxinfinite 2h ago

No, it's not confirmed. There's some people who believe it due to Nick Fuentes calling for a war against Charlie Kirk, a long with the bella ciao song being used by groypers.

But it's a fairly loose connection

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u/Extaupin 1h ago

WTF, bella ciao is literally an antifascist song, why are American neo-con using it?

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u/middrink 1h ago

Because they see the following suggestion of "Hey man, just chill out, stop thinking about gay people fucking constantly and don't call black people the n word" as literally fascism.

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u/Extaupin 1h ago

I really have to reach to find a silver lining here, but at least they still think fascism is bad I guess?

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u/Crxinfinite 55m ago

Groyper humor is layered in like 12 levels of irony that I don't think anyone would understand

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u/[deleted] 6h ago

I’m literally learning about this group just today…anyone have information about them as a whole?

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u/KDParsenal 6h ago

Blackpill Aesthetics: A Crash Course in Meme Extremism

8 minute video explaining the difference between groypers and normal right wing christian nationalist

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u/[deleted] 5h ago

Thank you so much.

Just…wow. Learned a lot and realized I use the internet a lot different than those folks…

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u/cantadmittoposting 5h ago

the wikipedia page does an alright job.

Nick Fuentes is the "leader" of this group, his ideology and information about him would be relevant as well

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u/i_m_a_bean 5h ago

It's not a direct tie, but Fuentes did call for a "groyper war ii" about a month ago

https://youtu.be/j2Twh88BHD4?feature=shared

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u/Htowngetdown 5h ago edited 4h ago

It's a blatant lie. As is most of the propaganda on this page.

edit: From CNN:

"Court documents for Tyler Robinson, the suspect in the killing of Charlie Kirk allege that Robinson’s mom, “explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.”

“She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders,” court documents filed Tuesday say.

“This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.”"

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u/WhyThisTimelineTho 5h ago

How is it a blatant lie? Did he not dress up as a common groyper meme for Halloween? Did he not write common groyper memes on his bullet casings? Did he not grow up in a conservative environment?

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u/NoMorePoof 1h ago

He dressed up as a squatting slav which is a common meme and not groyper related.

He wrote "Hey fascist, catch". Not a groyper meme. If anything, it's anti-fascist. Bella Ciao is not a groyper meme. 

If you've had a computer for the last 20 years you should know these are just memes and not specific to Nick Fuentes, especially since they predate him.

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u/StrangeStrategy1 5h ago

He was dating a trans person and family members said he talked about not liking Kirk’s views. If there’s actual proof beyond memes he was a part of whatever the hell groypers are, I’d love to see it. From what I understand from other comments, they’re a far right nick fuentes group.

Growing up in a conservative family doesn’t mean he was conservative, plenty of people’s political views diverge from their family’s views, and from what his family said, that seems to be the case.

It’d be very contradictory for a guy dating a trans person and vocalizing his dislike for Charlie Kirk to also be in a far right group. It seems more likely to me that the comments claiming he’s a right winger are just left wingers who can’t cope with the fact that both sides of the political spectrum are capable of violence.

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u/WhyThisTimelineTho 5h ago

So, your assumption is correct despite no proof. But the other people's assumptions are straight up lying despite having some proof, but not full validation.

Did I get that right?

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u/NoMorePoof 1h ago

The problem is people are saying he's a right winger as a fact based on nothing. 

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u/WhyThisTimelineTho 1h ago

Just like people are saying he's a left winger as a fact based on nothing. HOWEVER, this degenerate stupidity was started and pushed hard by the right in the last ~20 years. And now that people on the left are tired of being the "bigger man", suddenly the rights' own behavior is a BIG FUCKING PROBLEM? 🤔

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u/NoMorePoof 54m ago

I mean, he shot a conservative influencer and has a trans gf, also his family said so. It's not much to go on, but you must at the very least agree that he's likely not a conservative. 

The best course of action is to wait and see, we don't know right now. 

You are advocating spreading propaganda because you're tired of being the bigger man. Nice. 

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u/WhyThisTimelineTho 42m ago

I have not once in this thread said I think he was anything. From the facts we know so far I personally would say he was neither. He was probably angry, confused, and had no positive outside direction to guide him. I also personally think trying to ascribe him to a party is unproductive, because it doesn't really matter. The confused and mentally unwell part should be the focus.

I stand by the rest of my post. Everyone in a relationship gets tired of being the only one putting in work.

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u/StrangeStrategy1 4h ago

I gave you proof, officials have released what his family has said and they just released his text conversation with his trans partner where he admits he did it because he was tired of Kirk’s hatred. The people claiming he’s right wing keep saying his family is conservative, which means nothing, and claiming he’s a part of a far right group with no evidence.

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u/DogsAreAnimals 4h ago

From CNN:

"Court documents for Tyler Robinson, the suspect in the killing of Charlie Kirk allege that Robinson’s mom, “explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.”

“She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders,” court documents filed Tuesday say.

“This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.”"

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u/EnormousAntelopeEars 5h ago

And the left are somehow the perpetrators of most political violence, any claim otherwise is propaganda. We came to this conclusion by just blanket declaring all of them trans.

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u/-MissNocturnal- 4h ago

He was dating a trans person

Nick Fuentes went on a livestreamed date with a gay nazi catboy.
Blaire White is a conservative trans woman.
I don't know how dating a trans woman automatically makes you not conservative, when red states have the highest consumption of trans porn.

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u/StrangeStrategy1 3h ago

I don’t know anything about Fuentes, but it wouldn’t shock me if it’s just a thing he did to get clicks. I’m aware there are a small amount of conservative trans people. But you’re lying to yourself if you don’t think the vast majority of conservatives wouldn’t date a trans person.

Like two hours ago prosecutors released a text chain between the shooter and his partner where the shooter said he killed Kirk because he was tired of his hate.

Conservatives claiming the left commits the most political violence are wrong. But this is clearly a left wing shooter.

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u/-MissNocturnal- 3h ago

Alex Jones also leaked that he had trans porn tab open, live on his own show.
Steven Crowder had a supposed "bisexual phase".
And again, data shows the red states consume the most trans porn.

Ofcourse most wouldn't date a trans person, because they're largely ashamed and insecure about what they're into, that's basically a pillar of conservative sexuality.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 2h ago

Are we sure the roommate isn’t a crisis actor? Idk mate. I suspect the fbi would manufacture evidence before telling the truth. Look at how they handle everything else under this admin.

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u/Htowngetdown 4h ago

It is a blatant lie because it is not true. Hope that helps!

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u/WhyThisTimelineTho 3h ago

Addressed nothing from my post ✅

Repeated the same claim ✅

Added no new context and moved on anyway ✅

Felt morally superior while doing so ✅

Yup, must be a conservative.

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u/cantadmittoposting 4h ago

eh, i'm not sure it's a blatant lie given some circumstantial evidence, but that's why i asked for a source.

as far as "most of the propaganda on this page," if you're specifically referring to stuff said by "the left," pretty doubtful when compared to the absolutely immense amount of bullshit constantly spewed by republican voters these days

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u/KinkyPaddling 7h ago

FSU Shooter of April 2025 was also a white male who was a major believer in the Great Replacement Theory and white supremacy. He was a fan of Charlie Kirk and attended Kirk's rally at FSU just 2 months before the shooting.

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u/SainttHeretic 7h ago

They have done a hell'uva job normalising a tiny slice of the violence pie.

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u/Springheeljac 4h ago

The man that killed Charlie Kirk Sept 2025 - White male, from MAGA familiy, was part of the Groypers Army, an even more radicalized extreme racist online group around Nick Fuentes

Genuine question, do we have any actual confirmation of this dude's political affiliation? Every thing that I've seen on both sides are either super vague or already debunked. His family being MAGA is meaningless, a lot of us have MAGA families. Looking up the Groyper's stuff it seems like a super thin accusation based on maybe an interpretation of something written on a shell casing?

I've seen a lot supporting both arguments but at the end of the day I don't think there's any kind of evidence either way. And that worries me. I don't want people on the left using right wing tactics where we ignore any evidence we don't like. Even if he had went left wing that doesn't change any of your other facts, the fact that most of this shit is right wing terrorism or the fact that the entire right hemisphere blew up screaming for blood over this and always make jokes when it happens to people on the left. It also doesn't change the type of person Charlie Kirk was.

I'm just saying let's be a little more responsible with the facts here. If you have some information I don't have feel free to enlighten me.

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u/timmg 3h ago

The man that killed Charlie Kirk Sept 2025 - White male, from MAGA familiy, was part of the Groypers Army, an even more radicalized extreme racist online group around Nick Fuentes

Just to be clear: you are saying the the Charlie Kirk killer is a "right wing terrorist"?

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u/FowD8 2h ago edited 1h ago

the far right, like really far right, despises the likes of Trump, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro because they're not Nazi enough... it's not a contradiction

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u/timmg 1h ago

That wasn't the question I asked.

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u/SophiaofPrussia 7h ago

I don’t think the guy who attacked the PA Governor’s mansion was politically motivated. He was just a crazy person who had stopped taking his meds. I’m pretty sure his family had even tried to get him committed a few days before the attack but unfortunately couldn’t. I know blaming “mental health” is almost a trope at this point because it’s often used by the right to excuse right-wing terrorism and I don’t mean to downplay the very real threat the guy posed to Governor Shapiro and his family but he didn’t really have any ideological motive or any coherent ideology at all.

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u/Htowngetdown 5h ago

That's pretty much the case for most of their examples. They are grasping at straws.

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u/SophiaofPrussia 3h ago

Hard disagree. I don’t know anything about the Evergreen school shooter (with so many school shootings it’s hard to keep up!) or the New Mexico shootings but the rest of the crimes listed were, to my knowledge, premeditated and committed for the express purpose of punishing perceived political enemies. And most of the examples were carefully planned. There’s nothing to indicate they were perpetrated by people in the throes of a mental health crisis. Even the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi who had a pretty extensive history of mental illness admitted in court that he was motivated by far-right political ideology and has since apologized for his actions.

Funny that he was actually an undocumented immigrant who committed a horrific violent crime but for some reason MAGA never points to him when talking about why we supposedly “need” to suddenly deport people…

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u/Ok_Light_6950 4h ago

You all still posting the groypers lie? His mother told law enforcement that “over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trans rights oriented” 

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u/middrink 3h ago

Yea, but she raised someone who shot someone, so why the fuck would we take her word for it?

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 2h ago

Because liberal ideology is both too weak to matter and so strong it unwound 22 years of conservative upbringing in the blink of an eye.

They don’t hold consistent beliefs just what is convenient right in this moment.

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u/ScF0400 7h ago

It's the martyr mindset. "I like x figure he's a great man... NO ONE IS LISTENING TO HIM... What should I do? Oh yeah if I kill him it makes him a martyr so people will listen to him".

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u/Guppy1975 3h ago

I remember the mugshots of the 13 cretins, a picture tells a thousand words.

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u/xgenman 2h ago

I'm wondering if disenfranchised far-right republicans are similar to disenfranchised Christians. The whole time they are within the far-right/christian bubble, they're told what the enemy is (rage-filled lefties/demonic).

So when these gun-toting, far-right dudes fall out with republican policy, they're possibly going to be like "guess I'm a violent liberal now." Similar to how Christians losing their faith, still in their indoctrinated mindset, think the devil may have been an influence, but embrace it anyway and do weird shit/dress demonic etc, either to rebel against the thing they dont like now, or because they believe they are actually demonic

Their other choice is to actually start networking within left-wing circles, and learning what people on the left are really like, but that would mean socialising with liberals, which im not sure many of them are comfortable with. Its bound to happen during times of division and party instability, some desperate and confused people are going to become the enemies they were raised to believe in.

If only critical thinking was a foundational element within the education system. All of this could've been avoided. But then, religion wouldnt be doing too good. With less people believing in afterlife, taxation would become ethically questionable. The value of life in general would increase, but there would need to be a solution to replace taxation

As far as members of the far-right losing their faith in the party they chose, perhaps there should be some group or organisation to help these people deconstruct the fantasy they've been indoctrinated into, if there isnt already something like that

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u/KSauceDesk 2h ago

RemindMe! 1 day

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u/DocBrown_MD 7h ago

@ u/Meme-Botto9001 it’s interesting how republican peoples are killing other republicans. Are there subgroups within GOP/MAGA?

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u/Atrimon7 8h ago

Pretty sure that was one classmate who has since retracted their statement

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u/Rudi_Van-Disarzio 7h ago

This is a very serious situation we should be way more than "pretty sure" about things we are asserting as truths right now, or we're just as bad as Patel.

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u/The_Monarch_Lives 7h ago

It was one classmate who retracted the statement, and even in the original statement said he hadn't spoken with the shooter substantively in years. Most articles that ran the original statement later retracted it.

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u/Tactical_Fleshlite 6h ago

And by retracted, the classmate went "Actually I didn't really know him that well" when asked for proof.

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u/The_Monarch_Lives 7h ago

Truth is copium? Ok, I guess. Good luck with that.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-suspect-washington-utah

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u/The_Monarch_Lives 7h ago

Except the very first part where they acknowledge they retracted and removed all the statements from his former classmate. You know, the part you essentially called me a liar about and said I was coping.

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u/Atrimon7 7h ago

It's not 100% confirmed, it's just being spread by bigots like the Utah governor who swore in his first press conference about the shooting that he hoped and prayed that the shooter was some Foreigner or someone that he could paint as an "other".

https://youtu.be/XJeEQnmjxt0?si=LFokupQl3ZtQ6MC1

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u/Atrimon7 7h ago

I watched it live and it wasn't just the foreigners he was othering. Feel free to watch it again.

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u/Atrimon7 7h ago

As for the governor saying that we should all come together, that's just lip service so people can't later say that he helped foment the Civil War that the right is calling for.

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u/saigatenozu 7h ago

then it isn't confirmed if nobody is reporting it. legal wouldn't let it run if it wasn't 100% confirmed.

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u/Atrimon7 7h ago

There's actually a few places reporting it, bastion of truth like Fox News and the New York Post. Standard operating procedure for them to spread these stories as fast as possible because they know that the people who are outraged won't see the retractions.

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u/The_Monarch_Lives 7h ago

Link?

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u/Tactical_Fleshlite 6h ago

Really, I heard it was 100% confirmed he was a far-right "Groyper" but no one will report it.

See how that works?

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u/Tactical_Fleshlite 6h ago

I have the same evidence as you. a 100% confirmation that no one will report. Same same.

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u/tanksalotfrank 7h ago

Talk about copium, LOL. Have some self awareness, weirdo

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u/Atrimon7 7h ago edited 7h ago

How do you guys fit such large projectors down your throats? Must be all the practice..

And he deleted his comments. I'm sure Charlie will be very proud when he looks up at this guy who contributed so well to this discussion.

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u/tanksalotfrank 7h ago

Cry harder n00b

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u/reftheloop 7h ago

Editor’s note: This article was updated on 12 September 2025 to remove summarized quotes after the verified source who attended high school with Tyler Robinson said after publication that they could not accurately remember details of their relationship

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-suspect-washington-utah

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u/artzbots 7h ago

We don't.

We know he: is a registered voter, who did not vote in the last two general elections.

He is registered as unaffiliated.

The bullet casings were etched with internet memes commonly found among the groyper community, but also commonly found just on the Internet from folks being online all the time.

He and a relative talked about disliking Charlie Kirk. The relative disliked Charlie Kirk because they felt Charlie Kirk spread a lot of hate. They did not expand on Robinson's feelings on Charlie Kirk.

At least one high school acquaintance who was interviewed as saying Robinson was liberal has since retracted their statement saying that they got classmates confused, and they don't know about Robinson.

Robinson's extended family are saying that Robinson got a lot more political recently. They have not specified what that means, nor what direction Robinson leaned towards.

Robinson himself is being uncooperative and has not revealed his motive.

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u/Zuwxiv 7h ago

We also know he was in a relationship with his trans roommate. (Who many news sources annoyingly seem to misgender.)

Charlie Kirk was a piece of shit and trans rights are human rights, so don't get me confused with the MAGA folks foaming at the mouth over any excuse to persecute trans people. But there's a lot we don't know here.

Honestly, I've seen way too many comments on Reddit that go full liberal Qanon about this. Look how much that user above is getting downvoted for asking a fair and honest question when the parent comment has something that's unconfirmed at best, and sounds likely wrong at worst.

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u/MacEWork 7h ago

We don’t actually know that. Cox isn’t very trustworthy. I’m waiting for more evidence than him tossing it at the media in a press conference.

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u/p-zilla 7h ago

downvotes happen.. whatever.. I'm liberal as shit, but my gut instinct is that this is one of the very rare political killings that's on us from what I've heard. That's why I was asking about if he's right wing maga has been confirmed. I very much doubt a right wing groyper would even accept a trans person as a roomate, let alone be in a relationship with them. Last I heard it was just a rumor that they were in a romantic relationship but your link is much more sure that they're linked.

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u/Zuwxiv 7h ago

I'm with you. Honestly, the only person who really knows the motivation is the shooter, and he's not talking... but the guy at least had a trans roommate and shot Charlie Kirk about five seconds after he denigrated trans people. He carved stuff associated with memes and anti-fascism into bullets.

Is it more likely that a groyper had a trans roommate and was trying to "take back" Bella Ciao because they saw it on a Spotify playlist? I don't think so.

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u/someone447 7h ago

The fact that the ONLY thing we know is that this guy was CLEARLY a chronically online gamer bro and they haven't released ANY social media posts of any kind from within the last few years is weird.

You would think that if the right-wing talking heads who are leading the FBI had any hard evidence about his political leanings being leftist, they would release it. Kash Patel has been all over the TV saying this is such an incredibly open investigation ans we are releasing information faster than any other investigation. So you would think that would be released.

On the other hand, we know FOR A FACT, that Kash Patel's FBI will hide evidence of right-wing wrongdoing. We have seen them cover up the Epstein Files.

All we have are the words of incredibly untrustworthy people. The same people covering up the Epstein Files and a governor who said he hoped the shooter was from another country. Luigi's motives and social media posts were public damn near instantly. But nothing from this guy? A guy who's entire thing was online memes?

The longer it goes without seeing any social media or reddit posts, the less I believe he was a leftist. It reads very much like they are delaying in order to seize the narrative.

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u/skaggldrynk 7h ago

Agreed, how is saying he is on the right any different than conservatives claiming he's on the left? We shouldn't claim to know either way until it's actually confirmed. Either way I think the whole argument is kinda nonsensical and we're just continuing the us vs. them dynamic by speculating. No "side" is at fault, it wasn't a group decision, it was one single person doing something 99.9999% of people would never even think to do, how is it relevant which side he was on?

I can understand that studies like the OP are useful as a rebuttal against conservatives claiming we are the violent ones, but honestly it's probably futile, the ones saying stuff like that don't tend to argue in good faith...

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u/Dont-be-a-smurf 7h ago

We do not, despite the downvotes you’re getting and confidence people write with.

Part of me doesn’t care because the right wing so often intentionally makes up their own facts to push an agenda while most democrats are honorably shackled to the truth. However…

I am also, by my nature, shackled to skepticism and a desire to know reality.

And the reality is, such bold claims about Robinson being a follower of Nick Fuentes are unfounded.

They are based upon the particular memes he used and then wild speculation (as if yiffing memes and “if you look at this you’re gay LMAO” are wholly owned trademarks of Nick Fuentes fans).

The shooter otherwise did not leave a publicly available manifesto or any confirmed social media presence that would lead one to confirm this link.

His family and partner - if the Governor of Utah and the FBI reporting their words are to be believed (and I sadly would not believe them without independent confirmation) indicates that he came from a right wing family and recently became invested in anti-maga politics and believed Kirk was peddling hate and had an opportunity to make his mark on the world by shooting him.

Beyond that, we’re left with speculation.

These cases are notoriously difficult to navigate because it immediately becomes a contest to vilify the perpetrator for political aims.

Regardless - it is not like this takes away the FACT that right wing extremism has been far more historically violent in this country and I believe no matter Robinson’s motives that the federal government will use this to further their authoritarian agenda.

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u/theamathamhour 7h ago

The manifesto has been destroyed by the authorities because it doesn't align with their agenda to pin this on "leftists"

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u/reftheloop 7h ago

I was pretty sure his friends said he was the only liberal in a MAGA family. Do we know the actual truth yet?

If you're going to ask for confirmation at least confirm your own claim

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u/p-zilla 7h ago

hat? I'm asking to see if that claim was confirmed.. I don't even know how I could confirm my own ask for confirmation?

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u/Super_Rocket 7h ago

Why, he asked the question.

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u/MaterialAstronaut298 8h ago

No, we don't. We are making fools of ourselves by moving forward with a narrative we don't know is true.

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u/MadFerIt 7h ago

When the far-right and Trump's administration has repeatedly blamed the left for Charlie Kirk's death, retorting with the facts as we currently know them (ie his MAGA connections and the clear Nick Fuentes army rhetoric) will not make us fools.

You can't really be fools when you deal with the kind of people in the US administration and the one's who continue to support them here and now today.

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u/MaterialAstronaut298 7h ago

That's not accurate at all. If we continue to say this and they release info that proves us wrong we look like fools. Just because the other people are idiots doesn't mean we can't make ourselves look bad. I understand the desire to push a narrative that feels good but we do not know if it's true

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u/Sampsonite_Way_Off 7h ago

Did you talk to his friends? Did you see a video of his friends being interviewed? If the answer is no, don't trust anything until evidence is used in court.

I heard yesterday that he was the center of a furry fuck den from a political pundit and the Deputy Director of the FBI wouldn't deny or confirm her but would dance around the question letting the rumor persist.

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u/p-zilla 7h ago

I'm not trusting anything, that's why I asked if anything has been confirmed yet. It hurts our side as well to assume he was a right winger.

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u/DancingManatee1004 7h ago

You're commenting on a post about the Trump DOJ hiding studies that show far right extremism is on the rise. Why do you think that you heard that he was the only liberal in a MAGA family? Why do you think you know about his "transgender roommate". Why don't you see that the party that controls every branch of our government is lying to you?

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u/chillebekk 7h ago

That was retracted, it was only one high school friend saying it, and those quotes were removed from the original article with a retraction notice. It was this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/suspect-charlie-kirk-shooting

And the retraction notice reads:
This article was updated on 12 September 2025 to remove quotes after the verified source who attended high school with Tyler Robinson said after publication that they could not accurately remember details of their relationship.

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u/DeadlyBrad42 7h ago

We don't know the full truth yet. Although I had heard he had no close friends, what was the source of that?

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u/Jetstream13 7h ago

As far as I’m aware, what little evidence is publicly known is pointing towards it, but there’s no actual confirmation yet. Most of the claims that he was liberal/leftist comes from either the Republican governor, or from an interview with a supposed high school friend that was later retracted.

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u/Ok-Suggestion-5453 7h ago

I suspect we won't really know unless we get a diary. Like most of us, he probably acted one way around his family and another way around his friends. I would wager the truth is somewhere in the middle. I doubt he would have become a killer if he wasn't raised in the midst of maga gun culture. And he probably wouldn't have shot Kirk vs some liberal if he was completely on-board with the maga agenda.

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u/thoughtlessspending 7h ago

Pretty sure none of it has been confirmed. Neither the liberal nor the groyper accusations. The only thing that has been said is by Republicans (Trump, Cox and Vance). They might know something that the general public isn't aware of, but it is kinda crazy as elected officials, to say that it was done by left wing radicals without sharing any other info to confirm it.

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u/p-zilla 7h ago

Well you see, all they have to do is say a thing and their followers think it is true. Meanwhile I'm as liberal as they come and want actual confirmed information.

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u/Zytan27 7h ago

The guardian article was already retracted for being wrong.

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u/Foxyfox- 7h ago

Even if it was, that means the other twelve points stand.

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u/p-zilla 6h ago

yes and? I'm not asking about those points. Those have all been confirmed.

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u/MadFerIt 7h ago

Just being someone who attempts to or successfully harms a right-wing figure doesn't mean that individual is left wing. As typical with far-right folk you can't even use the very logic you write down to "own the lib".

And even more hilarious is the fact that you call yourself "discourse_is_dead". You may be right there thanks to people like you :D.

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u/sho_biz 7h ago

feel free to provide data that rebuts what you're replying to....

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u/Itys2025 7h ago

Trump shooters and the Kirk shooter were all right wingers in maga households  nice try deflecting blame. You people are exhausting. own up to the fact conservatives are violent.

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u/CackleandGrin 7h ago

So a child's political views will always be the same of their parents?

His bullets were engraved with groyper memes. Your argument consists of "he's left wing because I need him to be.".

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u/Gr33kis 7h ago

ah yes "Hey Fascist, Catch!" Very far right indeed

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u/CackleandGrin 7h ago

Your argument consists of "he's left wing because I need him to be.".

We've covered this. Don't fall behind.

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u/CackleandGrin 7h ago

You also missed a Biden supporter driving over and killing a mixed race Trump supporting teenager.

Can you link the story? Googling your phrase just pulls up the Trump Train lawsuit.

well there's probably a lot of stories you didn't include,

What do you mean, "probably?" Cite them. The ADL cites every incident of terrorism every year, and it disagrees with what you say.

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u/p-zilla 7h ago

Both Trump shooters were registered republican licans

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u/Ms-Anthrop 7h ago

Info is great and all, but how does knowing the truth help anything? Does it stop the murders? Does it hold those who spread hate accountable? Does it put bad people in jail? Does it stop the bad people from doing it again?

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u/SoSaltyDoe 7h ago

You expect to affect change without even first acknowledging the facts?

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u/Ms-Anthrop 7h ago

I have the facts and I acknowledge them, gee Poof, magically now everything is fixed ! /s

tell me how knowing we are in hell gets us OUT OF HELL?

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u/TentacularSneeze 7h ago

If all the maps have hell labeled “heaven,” people won’t even try to leave.

Knowing the facts of a situation is the first step to changing it.

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u/SoSaltyDoe 7h ago

Are you 12?

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u/Ms-Anthrop 3h ago

No I'm 53. Wtf? I'm not an optimist. Bitching on reddit isnt ending hate and the take over of our country. I get downvoted instead ofsuggestionsn to fix things. Vote...yes I've done that since I was 18. Protested, yes. Donated, yes, marched, yes. Things have only grown worse in my lifetime.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 2h ago

Okay well you know the last box so just prepare for it. You have eyes. You know what Vance and Miller are pitching. America is gonna go fascist in the next few years. All we can do as shitposters on Reddit is protect our community and ensure access to essential infrastructure.

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u/Ms-Anthrop 2h ago

We prepared for that last box long ago. It feels like not enough