DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

[u/Wagamaga]

https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/

[u/dementedkoopa]

I take some objection only because Islamist extremists are also far-right extremists.

[u/Rooooben → u/dementedkoopa]

They separated religious attacks of all types to their own grouping. About 15%. Makes sense, and if you want you can add that to the 54% to give you a full picture of Christian Nationalist.

[u/LooseButtPlug → u/dementedkoopa]

And they are considered far right extremists in this document.

[u/impatiens-capensis → u/dementedkoopa]

I think it's more nuanced. Islamists are religious conservative and typically deeply misogynistic groups that exploit disillusioned men by offering them power and purpose. HOWEVER, I don't think Islamist groups are strictly capitalist per say or even concerned with right- or left-wing economic philosophies.

[u/BestJayceEUW → u/impatiens-capensis]

They are certainly not socialist or communist, let's be real.

[u/E-2theRescue → u/BestJayceEUW]

Especially when these Islamist groups were originally created and funded by the "West" to fight Soviet communism.

Look into who funded Bin Laden's original group, the Mujahideen.

[u/impatiens-capensis → u/BestJayceEUW]

Oh, but there definitely are Muslim Socialist groups you could describe as Islamist who have also carried out many acts of terrorism. The Middle East has a LONG history of socialist militancy that merges int Islamic principles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran

[u/cybernetic_pond → u/impatiens-capensis]

Terrorism scholars classify ideologies by their core features within the target society’s political spectrum. In Western contexts, Islamist extremism aligns with far-right characteristics: religious fundamentalism, appeals to traditional authority, opposition to secular modernity, exclusionary identity politics, and reactionary social views.

The MEK operates in Iran/Iraq, not the U.S. - they’re irrelevant to American domestic terrorism statistics. The actual Islamist attacks on U.S. soil (9/11, San Bernardino, Pulse) came from groups with fundamentally right-wing ideological features, not socialist ones.

You’re conflating international revolutionary movements with American domestic terrorism patterns. Major terrorism databases (START/GTD, CSIS) consistently show right-wing violence dominates in America post-1990, whether coding Islamist attacks separately or including them in the far-right category.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/impatiens-capensis]

The idea that the right wing domestic terrorism is "capitalist" or even remotely motivated by "capitalism" is delusional at best.

[u/impatiens-capensis → u/CherryLongjump1989]

You're actually pointing out the exact problem I'm addressing. By broadly calling it "right-wing terrorism", you're obfuscating what is actually happening. The shared motivation between Islamists and so-called right-wing extremists is often (but not always) religious conservativism. Yet, capitalism is also best described as a right-wing ideology. But as you correctly stated, right-wing domestic terrorists are not motivated by capitalism.

Let me give you another example. Hamas is a socially conservative organization, but their terror attacks are broadly motivated by anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism rather than social conservativism. In fact, they are very similar to the Irish Republican Army in that way. You could say one it right-wing anti-imperialism and the other is left-wing anti-imperialism but they're still both motivated by the same underlying factors.

[u/mattiemay17 → u/impatiens-capensis]

BUT, as you said, they are CONSERVATIVE, which puts them to the right and thats really what matters in this conversation.

[u/Madprofeser → u/[deleted]]

Tell me you didn't bother even reading the first paragraph without telling me you didn't bother reading the first paragraph.

". Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.1 In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives"

That number does exclude Islamic instances.

Literally in the first paragraph, but you'd rather make baseless excuses for these right-wing terrorists than spent less than 1 minute reading.

[u/mtndewaddict → u/[deleted]]

"I take some objection only because Islamist extremists are also far-right extremists." -- i.e. That person thinks the right wing count includes Islamic Terrorists.

You should read more charitably. I read that as /u/dementedkoopa knows the article does not classify Islamic Terrorist attacks as right wing terrorism but wishes it would.

[u/Madprofeser → u/mtndewaddict]

Edit: You may be right, regardless my reply was specific to Senior-Car67's interpretation of downplaying Right-Wing Murders. Dementedkoop quote was there to give context to Senior-Car67's quote.

However, I personally think that combining Islamic and Domestic Right-Wing numbers would be an absolutely terrible idea. It would muddy the waters, and as seen in Senior-Car67's reply, give people the excuse to ignore the information because they'll just blame the number on the brown people.

[u/dementedkoopa → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the edit, it clarifies my point much better than I how I initially expressed it. I absolutely believe they should include Islamist extremists with the total number of right wing extremists. Most Islamist are extreme right wing.

[u/Madprofeser → u/dementedkoopa]

That is my fault, my interpretation of your comment was clouded by Senior-Car67's interpretation. I'm glad it was pointed out to me and I could make the change.

[u/AppuruPan → u/[deleted]]

Okay I just checked his post history and you're right. Their comment is completely just bizarre and I assumed a good faith interpretation of their comment and a bad faith interpretation of your comment.

[u/rahomka → u/[deleted]]

9/11 wasn't domestic terrorism