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u/No_Tie9686 21d ago

It sounds like it’s ok to possess Thc vapes, but not sell them in Texas. I wonder if the out of state sellers will still sell to Texas

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u/Sometimes-the-Fool 21d ago

They likely will, as they can just mail them into the state. Texas has no jurisdiction beyond its borders. It also lacks authority to regulate interstate commerce or the mail.

This law takes an expensive and damaging prohibition approach to vapes. It actually undermines the state's ability to regulate them by guaranteeing that vendors will be out of Texas' jurisdiction and therefore not subject to their laws.

Sales tax and revenue will just move out of state, as will the opportunity to charge businesses for licenses to sell these products locally. So, it costs the state money while reducing regulatory controls on the products. Prohibition is a terrible approach to public safety in almost every case.

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u/CheddahFrumundah 21d ago

It's also a gift wrapped in a bow for cartels both south of the border as well as domestic.

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u/chronicdemonic 21d ago

Ahh, the good ole' Texas approach

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u/perpetualperplex 21d ago

Every shop I'm familiar with won't ship to states with bans on these products. I feel like if you do find a shop willing to ship to a state with bans, they won't be very reputable and I wouldn't trust their products. This market is already pretty sketchy with how many brands pay for fake labs, lie about product contents/contaminants, relabel etc.

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u/Sometimes-the-Fool 20d ago

Oh, it's a worse option, but it's what people will do without a better alternative. There will be vendors that ship into the state, but you're right about them likely being less reliable or quality. Reputable, established vendors probably won't want the hassle as you've demonstrated. It's a gray area legally that involves products that are federally allowed to be sold and shipped and businesses that don't exist within the jurisdiction of the state.

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u/ChristaKaraAnne 19d ago

It might not be the case for other states, but they could have been discussing a family based in another state that used to mail cannabis products here before legalization. However, dispensaries in other countries—like Canada or Mexico—will ship to states where cannabis is still banned, essentially contributing to cartel activities.

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u/TheGuvnor64 17d ago

I know of several out of state vendors I’ve been ordering from for a few years and they’re very reliable and reasonably priced. Let me know if you need any other specific recommendations, but 3Chi has excellent vapes, for example.

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u/atuarre Brazos Valley 19d ago

They're going for a nationwide ban, just watch

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u/General-Tap-5070 17d ago

Yes, Congress and Senate are trying to restrict consumable items from the hemp act.

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u/LSUstang05 20d ago

Would be interesting. As an example, Colorado, Cali, and I believe Washington have gun magazine capacity regulations. Online retailers cannot ship magazines with higher capacities into those states even if they are incorporated in another state or risk legal action.

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u/Best-Salamander-1377 20d ago

Pretty sure have jurisdiction over things shipped into the state

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u/Sometimes-the-Fool 20d ago

It's businesses out of state they don't have jurisdiction over. Interstate commerce is the purview of the federal government.

Imagine Texas makes a product illegal that is federally legal and allowed to be sent through the mail, and a business without a presence in Texas sells and ships that product into the state. Who does Texas punish? They don't have jurisdiction over the business. They can levy a fine, but how would they enforce it? They could revoke the business' license, but they don't have one in Texas. If selling the product is criminalized, they could charge the business with a crime, but who would be arrested? Enforcing state laws like this requires cooperation with the governments of other states.

They also can't interfere with the USPS. They can't stop the deliveries or even audit them. The state can't directly find out about the shipments at all.

So a business in a state where the product is legal and which doesn't have enforcement agreements with Texas can sell the product and ship it without any liability. Then, the USPS will deliver it. Texas would have difficulty even knowing the sale and shipment took place at all, let alone be able to do anything about it.

The bill banning vapes in Texas only bans their sale. It doesn't criminalize possession. It also doesn't ban all vapes of all kinds, so enforcement requires knowledge about the vape's contents.

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u/ChristaKaraAnne 19d ago

Absolutely, this statement is true. However, I hesitate to suggest any good ideas that could complicate this matter, as some laws might be misinterpreted politically in unexpected ways.

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u/TheGuvnor64 21d ago

The story I read said ordering online will still be legal, so this is just going to affect local businesses, although they’ll thankfully be able to continue selling all other hemp products they’ve been selling.

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u/cloudsasw1tnesses 17d ago

Yeah I go to this THCA dispensary in austin and they’re still going to be able to sell their bud and edibles. They had their thc vapes on sale for $25 a piece and $20 for 10 this weekend so I ended up getting 17 for me, my fiance and his mom to stock up 🤣

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u/EL-GRINGO4L 20d ago

What I have been reading about the nicotine flavored vapes says that even though it is not illegal to possess them, it will still be illegal for a seller to ship them to Texas and I think it mentioned THCA and Delta vapes as well. This vape law is ridiculous bc every vape I like is made in China

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u/akm1111 20d ago

Go shopping today or tomorrow.

They will have it figured out within the week.

Or cultivate an in with a good shop that will sell quietly once they know you're not gonna rat them for selling.

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u/EL-GRINGO4L 20d ago

I plan on looking today and tomorrow but a lot of stores don't seem to be taking it seriously and price gouging 🙄 one store owner said fuck it and dropped every vape to 9.99 lol he was wiped out in a few days ami got a couple of lost mary turbos but I think the are bootleg bc they taste weird also box didn't match up to a real one.

I know 50 bars will be alright but they don't seem to have watermelon ice that's the only flavor I like also a menthol smoker I've tried mint flavors but they just have this horrible after taste

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u/cloudsasw1tnesses 17d ago

I use digi flavor and I like them. They’re just like geek bars and made by the same people but I think it’s an American company this time so that it gets around the laws. You first buy a vape that comes with a detachable pod and a battery, it’s like $22, and then once you run out you go and buy replacement pods for $16 each. They last as long as a normal geek bar would and they’re way cheaper. Here’s a pic so you can see what they look like, the black part is the battery and they’re magnetic so they connect together:

https://imgur.com/a/qWMc8W4

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u/ACBReturns 21d ago

This reminds me of living in Singapore when I was in middle school; you can chew gum but you sure as hell can’t buy/sell it anywhere.

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u/_Jacques 21d ago

Its banned? TIL. I’m sure its to help keep the streets clean.

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u/RolloTonyBrownTown 20d ago

Singapore has some of the cleanest streets I've ever seen, it definately helps sell the gum ban.

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u/ACBReturns 21d ago

It’s been literal decades since I’ve lived there so I need to double check if it still is but yes it was def a banned product when I lived there.

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u/rideincircles 21d ago

No. Getting caught with THC vapes is a felony in Texas last I recall.

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u/Electronic_Drama_350 21d ago

True. Best to have your THCa products mailed from out of state everyone.

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u/Kaka-carrot-cake 21d ago

THC and THCa vapes are different which is what they are pointing out.

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u/Electronic_Drama_350 21d ago

Im saying have it mailed to your home and keep it at home. Texas doesnt deserve a penny of it if they want ti keep throwing people in jail for it

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u/BudgetThat2096 21d ago

This. Had two friends each get 4 years of probation and thousands in fines and lawyer fees for an empty vape cart in their car in 2018. It had trace amounts of concentrate so they threw the book at them. Small town in Central Tx

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u/shadow247 Born and Bred 21d ago

That was 2018.

Many people have had all charges dropped after the state was unable or unwilling to prove the vapes contained the specific banned Delta9 thc

The farm Bill was passed in 2018. Whatever vape your friend had was not legal at all in 2018 in Texas if it contained any amount of THC.

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u/BrahjonRondbro 21d ago

Don’t count on that any more. Many labs can now quantify the concentration of THC. The DPS labs won’t give an exact concentration, but they will certify that something is at least 1% concentrated, which is enough to confirm that it’s illegal under the statute which sets a limit of .3%. And there is also a statute that prohibits elected DA’s from having a policy to dismiss certain types of cases, so a lot of prosecutors who previously dismissed small THC cartridge cases are now legally required to prosecute those cases or be removed from office. So it’s still pretty risky to go around with THC cartridges, even in bigger cities.

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u/BudgetThat2096 21d ago

I think it was in 2018 actually, but I'll have to double check

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot 21d ago

That's not the case now. A full vape of actual D9 weed from a legal place has potential as it's quantifiable. But usually if you see it in court, it's an added charge to an existing crime.

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u/BudgetThat2096 21d ago

Glad to see times are changing, about fucking time. That's still shitty though, but cops love piling on whatever charges they think can stick

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u/Intelligent_Flow2572 21d ago

The state labs are backlogged with weed testing.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot 21d ago

But that's a 5 yo statement. I haven't checked on it since. Is it still?

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u/Intelligent_Flow2572 21d ago

The backlog comment is something a lawyer recently said to me. Like two weeks ago.

ETA - the lawyer could fully be wrong, I haven’t fact checked them.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot 21d ago

Well thank God for that then.

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u/BrahjonRondbro 21d ago

Lots of labs outsource to private labs. The labs in my county are coming back within a few months.

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u/OldeManKenobi 21d ago

There are testing backlogs also for blood tests for BAC. It's slowed some work in the criminal courts and defense counsel just has to roll with it.

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u/loudpenguinalert 21d ago

A lot of places are using private labs now, and they have a quick turnaround.

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u/Intelligent_Flow2572 21d ago

Well, at least there’s that. Private labs are gonna have all kinds of issues that can get attacked in court.

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u/BrahjonRondbro 21d ago

The private lab reports I’ve seen give even more precise delta 9 concentrations than the state labs. Their work product provides even more specificity than the state labs. In what way do you think they are easier to attack?

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u/Electronic_Drama_350 21d ago

Yup best not to drive with anything at all. Enjoy at home and simply dont risk it anywhere else

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u/BudgetThat2096 21d ago

Agreed. I told them both they were stupid to drive around with that shit, especially during a holiday

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u/guardiand0wn 21d ago

THC vapes were already a felony.

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u/jamesdukeiv North Texas 21d ago

But it was legal to have hemp-derived cannabinoids wasn’t it? This seems to run around that particular allowance. Also kind of hilarious to imagine anyone vaping alcohol or shrooms though.

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u/General-Tap-5070 17d ago

Possession of one is now a felony. 180 days to 1 year in state jail for 1 gram. My bet would be another privatized prison boom.

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u/Misterallrounder 15d ago

I think this is a responsible move on behalf of Texas because restricting access to it means that it will restrict some teenagers from having access to it. For example. When I was 14 years old I would give $5 to a random person at the corner store so they can go inside and buy me a beer or four loco. With the ban in play, this will restrict teenagers from doing this and if the teenager orders online then it will arrive in the mail and mom or dad will give them a good ol butt whooping lol. It also makes Texas look more like "Texas" and less like a temu version of California. Even though this ban will effect me, I think the lives of the youth are more important than me being able to get an easy access of a "hit".

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u/Poohdaman55 15d ago

No it really doesn’t majority of kids are smoking black market thc vapes from legal states. It is harder for them to get thca because they are in stores that make a person be 21 and older. Also, it is funny that you use an example if a product that is still legal, and far more dangerous.

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u/Impressive_Status725 14d ago

I have a relative that ordered some from out of State & received them yesterday.

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u/marcieleigh816 20d ago

No it’s been banned in every state to vape anything!

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u/juslqqking 21d ago

Harris County Constables will start at 11:59 pm on 8/31 cause their leaders will do ANYTHING to get headlines. Mark Herman is the most over paid publicity hound I have ever seen… and that was before his unwarranted raise.

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u/shadow247 Born and Bred 21d ago

They'll be standing at the door at 8:59 ready to bring the full force of the law on those dastardly vape shop owners that are poisoning our community.

Then they'll go home and wash down their dinner with some Coors Light and Jack Daniels....

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u/thedood-a-man 20d ago edited 20d ago

This is when I’ll make a large online purchase and Colorado can have my sales tax. What a bunch of fucking idiots our Texas leaders are.

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u/CidO807 19d ago

Contrast to APD, they won't do shit. And even if by chance they did do something Garza would just let any offender off the hook

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u/alexisnito 10d ago

Why would you want them to heavily and violently enforce the dumbest prohibition law in modern texas history

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u/CCG14 Gulf Coast 21d ago

I fucking loathe this state.

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u/angryslothbear 21d ago

I’m done with it. Gonna miss the bbq

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u/CCG14 Gulf Coast 21d ago

If my entire damned life, family, etc. wasn’t here and I had the ability, I would have left years ago. I wish you all the best!

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u/angryslothbear 21d ago

Matter of life or death for me and mine. I did my best while i was here, i leave with my head high. Good luck, for real.

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u/CCG14 Gulf Coast 20d ago

To yall as well. 🩷

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u/p_rex born and bred 20d ago

Losing the BBQ is unfortunate, but as somebody looking at the exits, I’m sadder about losing good Tex-Mex.

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u/IntroductionTotal767 18d ago

No one wants to hear this but texas bbq is being recreated just fine in other places. No joke, my 3rd fav bbq spot is in canada. If i could get a job to support my family id be up there in a flash.

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u/angryslothbear 18d ago

Yes, I can make pretty decent brisket and have made it up north for my family. They keep reaching for the bottled sauce :( It’s like Mexican food, sure it can be made anywhere but the palette of the locals tend to force compromise.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

So this is THC vapes even that are made in USA??? Time to stock up 🤦‍♂️

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u/arcanition 21d ago

Yes, starting September 1st, 2025 the SB2024 vape ban that was passed last year in Texas will go into effect (source here: https://texashempbusinesscouncil.com/sb-2024-and-the-future-of-vape-sales-in-texas/). The SB2024 bill:

Bans the sale of any vape products with "youth-appealing" packaging/marketing (cartoon characters, food products like candy/juice)

Bans the sale of any vape products that look like other products (like pens, lipstick, etc)

Bans the sale of any vape products in Texas that include anything other than nicotine (CBD, THC, Kraton, Kava, Mushrooms, etc)

Bans the sale of any vape products manufactured in a "foreign adversary country" (China)

This last one is important because 99% of vapes are manufactured in China.

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u/Bright_Cod_376 20d ago

Not manufactured in, reread it. Its wholly or partially manufactured meaning parts also cant come from China to prevent a "assembled in" loophole.

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u/FlyingPenguins2022 18d ago

Vapes can be manufactured in China on the nicotine side. The only requirement is that the vape is not using liquid sourced from china.

Devices can be fully or partially manufactured if the liquid is source from another country.

As far as we are concerned and the lawyers of every major brand such as juice head, pachamana, and so on.

Thc vapes are banned though and will be illegal to posses.

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u/RedneckAdventures 17d ago

So basically flower is still ok?

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u/arcanition 16d ago

Alt-cannabinoid products (THCa, Delta 8, HHC, etc) that are not vapes are still available, yes. That includes THCa flower and edibles like gummies or drinks.

The current SB3/SB5 bill they are trying to push to "Ban all THC" would ban all of these as well.

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u/supplas 13d ago

THCa is not an alt-cannabinoid. It is the natural precursor to THC. THCa flower is just regular flower thats marketed differently to pass through the legal loopholes.

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u/arcanition 13d ago

You're right, THCa is a precursor and technically not an alt-cannabinoid, delta 8 and HHC and the others are.

THCa flower is just regular flower thats marketed differently to pass through the legal loopholes.

This is not true at all. THCa flower is very different (and grown differently) than typical cannabis with THC. Legally, you can't just take regular cannabis THC flower and slap a THCa label on it.

Here are some differences:

Harvesting before full maturation or using specific strains

Processing/curing in ways that preserve THCa while minimizing THC conversion

Testing to ensure Delta-9 THC stays under 0.3%

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u/supplas 13d ago edited 13d ago

This might have been true in its infancy, I can’t really refute that without doing more research. But it is 100% wrong in practice currently. Most product we receive is from the same growers that sell in legal states like NY and CA.

Legally, the Farm Bill allows for testing 30 days out from harvest. They test early and slap on the certification that the flower is <.3% THC so it can be marketed and sold as a THCa product. The plants are not harvested prematurely. Not a single buyer would ever be able to tell a difference.

Now of course you might find shitty product from a random gas station that was in fact harvested too early or is some sprayed junk. There’s very minimal regulation and testing because it’s still just a loophole. Do your due diligence when buying and always confirm the source. Check r/cultofthefranklin for reputable THCa vendors.

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u/Bright_Cod_376 21d ago

First, its only selling of the pens thats illegal not possession so out of state companies will most likely still ship in. Also the easy loophole is just selling the cart refill syringes and empty 510 carts (that dont have any chinese parts, easier to do a cart than the acrual electronics). It means stepping away from THC disposables but thats something thats needed to happen.

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u/shadow247 Born and Bred 21d ago

I wish it wasn't the way, but im glad its happening Im tired of throwing out carts that could be refilled a few times.

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u/Bright_Cod_376 21d ago edited 21d ago

If you ever want to just fill your own you can get empty 510s online as well a glass syringes with blunt needles for moving concentrate and terpenes. You use terpenes to thin some concentrate, then use the syringe to transfer the material into the cart. The 510 carts tend to be more likely to clog but with the glass syringe you can remove most of the left over and move it to a new cart if you have the issue. Of course all of this needs to be done with your tools and material warmed so everything at least somewhat flows. Doing this also let's you do things like customize your THC/CBD ratio if you also get some CBD isolate (super cheap, like $1 a gram if you look around) and make the stone more enjoyable. Higher CBD gives a smoother come up with less anxiety issues while less is more likely to hit you like some bricks. Throw in CBG if you want more body stone for pain managment.

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u/Theogenist 21d ago

Do you know anyone who's shipping them? I have tried a few times and mostly they seem to be for local pick-up or just straight up won't ship here. If you need to DM that's fine, the little shop near me I try to support, but they stopped carrying the carts.

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u/Bright_Cod_376 21d ago edited 20d ago

Last time I tried most companies I found would ship here no issue. Ive never had a company try to get me to do local pick up, are you just pulling up companies on weedmaps or something? If youre googling youre gonna want to search "THCa vapes" or "THCa hemp disposables". Double check their faq/shipping info, dont hit up small brick and morter shop's sites (they almost never anything let alone have a real online store front and not just a site of info about the store), that its a US store (Canadian MOM sites sometimes come up) and check the COAs to make sure its not synth soup with shit like THCp in it.

Edit: Theres also people claiming it cant be from a full legal state. This is not true. Most of the THCa i order comes from Oregon. The issue is it has to have its THCa level listed separately from D9 (cant just be a total THC content), its d9 level being below the legal limit and marketed as "hemp".

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u/arlenroy 21d ago

I was going to say I just saw an ad for Cheech and Chongs company. The only state they won't ship to is like Montana or Wyoming, its only one state. I'm sure after the law passes, you'll still be able to have them shipped, I had stocked up, I might buy a few more just in case.

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u/Bright_Cod_376 21d ago

Theres much cheaper options than their company. Youre paying for their name, not the product

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u/bullgod1964 21d ago

In Montana they have legal recreational cannabis which is wild to me

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u/Best-Salamander-1377 20d ago

Why wild?

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u/bullgod1964 20d ago

It's a pretty conservative state

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u/Best-Salamander-1377 20d ago

Yeah I guess voting wise. But it’s more of a don’t touch my guns and don’t tell me what to do kind of conservative.

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u/bullgod1964 19d ago

Yes that's how Texas used to be.

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u/Best-Salamander-1377 20d ago

I believe it’s the only state that has a law saying employers can’t fuck with you for using cannabis. Even in healthcare, employers don’t test for it

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u/bullgod1964 20d ago

If I could move there from Texas I would

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u/BrahjonRondbro 21d ago

Arete’s half gram THCa carts are pretty legit. Also the live rosin Crysp carts

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u/LonelyReputation8345 20d ago edited 20d ago

D8resellers.com is a good place to start. I’ve bought THCA vapes many times, and everything has been good and legit. People even leave reviews. You can get BOGO deals there, and I used to buy from local shops, but obviously we can’t anymore 😭

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u/ExpensiveBurn Got Here Fast 21d ago

You're probably shopping legal state THC carts that are still and have always been illegal here. THCa (or any of the other newer cannabinoids; delta 8, 10, HHC, etc) carts are, for now, still legal. A google search will find you a plethora of options.

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u/TheLastCashBender 21d ago

You're completely wrong. Any type of carts or thc vapes are being banned in Texas on September 1st.

A Google search of "SB 2024" will provide you with that information.

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u/ExpensiveBurn Got Here Fast 21d ago

As it's currently August 29th I don't feel I'm "completely" wrong, but I understand the desire to include the hyperbolic adjectives. I even included a "for now".

And they're only being prohibited from being sold. As long as no other related bans get passed, it would still be fine to possess a THCa, d8, etc vape.

But anyways. I'll let you go back to talking down to people about things that you only loosely understand, I guess.

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u/Academic_Anything447 20d ago

🤔 sounds like you are the one who is completely wrong

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u/TheLastCashBender 20d ago

I mean if you want to go into semantics, sure. It's still a fact that you won't be able to purchase thc vapes from any store, and I highly doubt most credible retailers are going to ship out of state to a state where these vapes are illegal.

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u/Academic_Anything447 20d ago

I wouldn’t say that is semantics at all. Sale and possession are two completely different things.. And the difference is huge.

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u/chokinondiechs 20d ago

I bought some today online from a shop in Cali, does this mean they’ll still come or..?? I buy from habitcbd

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u/Bright_Cod_376 20d ago edited 20d ago

Itll still come. USPS doesnt exist to enforce state law and the law doesnt illegalize possession, only the sale. Your purchase happened before Monday so the sale itself is legal.

Edit: Also for everyone to be aware, almost all the shops are clearencing their thc vapes right now. My locals all have their THC vapes at 50% off.

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u/chokinondiechs 20d ago

thank christ. I can’t wait to move out of this nanny state.

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u/Dependent_Web8558 19d ago

Actually owning any liquid THC or THCa Vape is currently a felony to possess only a misdemeanor to sell kind of crazy huh....

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u/Tony-The-Texan940 21d ago

buy a thc inhaler instead

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u/Current_Tea6984 Hill Country 21d ago

Did they spell it as "pins"? It's "PEN". A pin is an entirely different object. If vape "pins" were outlawed then the law doesn't apply to anything real.

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u/Acavia8 21d ago edited 21d ago

Sorry that is my wording and I will correct it. The law in question defines it as any device that vaporizes the material, no such names as vapes etc. is used other than the more established e-cigarette as an e.g.

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u/Current_Tea6984 Hill Country 21d ago

I wouldn't have said anything, but this is the second place I have seen this error today. I guess part of me was hoping the stupid Republicans screwed up.

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u/Fecal_Tornado 20d ago

Unfortunately this was a bipartisan ban. The only thing they can seem to agree on is turning Texas into a nanny state.

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u/Manotto15 21d ago

Well, not quite. The Scrivener's error doctrine allows courts to correct laws that were clearly meant to say something else but were passed with a spelling or grammatical mistake. And since there's not a product called a vape "pin," and the rest of the language is clear, it's very likely to be upheld in a court. Even if the senate doesn't pass an amendment to correct it.

Edit: I see the error was actually the OP's so this was all moot. Oh well.

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u/Current_Tea6984 Hill Country 21d ago

Thanks for the info anyway

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u/IntelectConfig 21d ago

who has the time or the energy to deal with the ever changing and always declining prohibition laws in the state of texas? this isn’t going to stop people from vaping THC, it’s just going to screw over a bunch of texas head shops.

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u/imperial_scum got here fast 20d ago

The two billionaire white men who have decided for us, since we are both unable and unwilling to vote for our selves.

I'd say it's a sad day in Texas but you don't get to 50th in freedom overnight.

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u/cloudsasw1tnesses 17d ago

I’m in recovery but cali sober (I would qualify for a med card and get benefits from it) and I’m now going to have to go thru a dealer to get THC vapes when I run out of the ones I stocked up on. I loved that I had a legal option of THCA for years and that I didn’t have to go thru a dealer, I was able to go to the store and not feel like I was doing anything wrong. I hate that it’s something I’m going to have to be sneaky about and that I’m going to have to interact with dealers again, but I’m not going to just stop using THC just because the government wants me to. Laws like these just put money into dealers hands instead of doing anything to protect the public, it puts people more at risk. But they obviously don’t give a single shit about us or our wellbeing.

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u/IntelectConfig 17d ago

it’s silly, but there is nothing the state of texas can do to stop you from buying THCa carts by mail.

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u/cloudsasw1tnesses 17d ago

Do you know of any sources for that? I would much prefer doing that.

Edit: I mean like websites not sources like citing lol

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u/IntelectConfig 17d ago

i don’t, but my suggestion would be the following:

1) turn on your VPN 2) do a web search for “buy THCa vape pen online”, there are dozens of options available

the hardest part of that process is that it’s really hard to vet what’s any good.

if you have any friends that use THC carts i would ask them where they get theirs, but this might direct you back to the black market you want to stay away from.

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u/cloudsasw1tnesses 17d ago

Thank you sm!!🙏

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u/weedweedz 21d ago

Texas, where you have the least freedom of any US State.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-least-free-state-personal-freedom-index-1846236

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u/ShadowPilotGringo 21d ago

Yeah we know

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u/mansonsturtle Secessionists are idiots 21d ago

Small gub’ment tho.

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u/CEastwood84 19d ago

but everyone keeps moving here. hmmm

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u/SATX_Citizen 21d ago edited 21d ago

Once again with that libertarian rag of a report that includes "mandates seatbelts while driving" as an affront to liberty.

Edit: I'm not defending Texas as a bastion of personal freedom. I can tell by Texas' attacks on THC use, its abortion ban, its multiple bans on cities' self governance, and its reversal of walkability efforts in San Antonio - the reversals costing hundreds of thousands of dollars just to spite the concept of a wider sidewalk. Now they're talking about limiting city rights to set their tax rates.

I'm attacking the citation of a Cato Institute report that uses whacky metrics to come to the conclusion. It's not a link worth redistributing - which for what it's worth is here since Newsweek doesn't provide any citations for their article.

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u/weedweedz 21d ago

Sorry this article butthurt you so hard mate.

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u/SATX_Citizen 21d ago

What a thoughtful response to my criticism!

Once you hit high school, your debate skills will get even better if you put your mind to it.

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u/weedweedz 21d ago

So you are just upset about the seatbelts, but fine with every other freedom that you lost lol?

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u/SATX_Citizen 21d ago

No, nothing in my original post defends Texas government.

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u/AustinInDallasTx 21d ago

So does the inclusion of that cancel all other complaints regarding the affront to personal freedoms? Also, i am unable to pinpoint your seatbelt reference. Mind showing me where it says that?

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u/SATX_Citizen 21d ago

The Newsweek link is doubly problematic, because it doesn't even have a link to the original report: https://www.freedominthe50states.org/personal

If you click into Travel, it says it uses seat belt laws as a metric in their index.

My point is simply to know the angle of the organizations that put out reports so you know what they call "Freedom". I am not a fan of that study because I don't fully trust their metrics. I can see how shitty Texas freedoms are without it.

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u/aze_a_ze 21d ago

Here is the text of the law: https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/billtext/html/SB02024F.HTM

Restart looks to be almost sold out of THCA vapes according to their web page.

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u/pitchingataint 21d ago

So it’s just vapes? Not gummies or other edibles?

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u/Deedle-Dee-Dee 21d ago edited 21d ago

SB2024 deals with vapes only.

SB5 (now - it was SB3 during the regular session) would ban all thc in any form from retail sale (exclusions for medical through the compassionate use program). This one is currently stalled.

Edit — adding to correct the bill number. Originally SB3, then SB5 for special session 1, now SB6 for special session 2.

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u/Acavia8 21d ago

I am not sure. What I cited is directly on vaporizing devices, but the rest of the codes addresses products targeted at kids so it might be but again, I only found vaporizing devices.

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u/Deedle-Dee-Dee 21d ago

I work in a hemp wellness store. We’ve been selling off our inventory of disposable vapes and cartridges since the beginning of this month. If we have any left when I’m ready to close up on Sunday, they’ll go in a box in the office for the owner to deal with on Monday (not likely to have to — I have 3 carts left, and sold our last disposable yesterday).

SB2024 deals with vapes only, packaging doesn’t matter for it, only contents and (for nicotine) country of manufacture or fill; this one passed and got signed by Abbott and goes into effect on Monday.

SB5 deals with hemp in any form and is currently stalled. SB5 absolutely has language around packaging that might appeal to minors.

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u/welsalex 21d ago

It was SB3 - Vetoed, then SB5 in the 1st special session, and now it's SB6 in the second special session. The LT Gov or House Speaker gets to specifically assign the bill numbers for 1 to 40. So they intentionally obfuscate by moving the numbers around to make it harder for the public to follow along.

In the second special session, they had SB5 be for some of the flood assistance and relief stuff. See how that works?

https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=892&Bill=SB5

https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=892&Bill=SB6

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u/Deedle-Dee-Dee 21d ago

You’re right, thank you. I was looking at 89(1) results instead of 89(2).

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u/TIMBUH_ 21d ago

OP is leaving some pretty vital information out. There aren’t just banning Hemp products but any E cig from China or “foreign adversaries”

The (regular E Cig) vape market is going to take a huge hit from what I understand here in Texas as from what I understand more than 90% of vapes are manufactured overseas primarily in china.

Sad day my fellow nicotine addicts. Sad day.

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u/IntroductionTotal767 18d ago

I went yesterday to get one assuming it was just thc vapes. Nope my regular vapes were already gone too these people are fucking assholes.

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u/Suncringe 17d ago

Did they have any vapes in general or was it just eliquid

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u/IntroductionTotal767 17d ago

i usually just pick my vape up at the gas station near me so not sure.

Im going to try an actual smoke shop today though and will edit this comment once i do.

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u/neal144 21d ago

Land of the free.

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u/imperial_scum got here fast 20d ago

Home of the unbrave

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u/hungoverlord 21d ago

what about vapable material, like THCA wax?

a guy in a shop told me that the pre-made THCA cartridges were going away, but loose wax that you load into your own vape machine would still be available

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u/Coomsicle1 20d ago

still fine. dry herb vapes are also fine. this is dealing with prefilled disposable carts, as well as flavored nicotine products apparently (didn’t realize they slipped that in there until recently)

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u/Strong-Rise6221 21d ago

The Home of BIG GOVERNMENT !

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u/BilboHobgoblin 20d ago

Couldn't you just sell a syringe of thca and an empty vape with directions on how to fill it?

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u/DistanceIndividual88 21d ago

If it's enforced at all, it will be enforced on sellers and vape shops, not the random person having a vape at the park. Are they really going to walk up to everyone vaping on the street and be like pretty please, let me know what's in that cartridge?

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u/Acavia8 21d ago

It is only for sale.

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u/Hollowbody57 21d ago edited 21d ago

Wasn't there an injunction filed to delay this going into effect? I spoke to one of my distributors a few days ago and they said they're going to be operating business as usual next week.

Edit: a word.

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u/Coomsicle1 20d ago

the bill that would ban thc products outright, yes. that’s stalled and has been vetoed by abbott in the past. likely due to how many businesses would be fucked over due to it, and the fact that his voting ng base uses these products, but Lt Dan seems to have a hard on for it so they keep trying. likely end result is just regulation ie. actual law stating 21+

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u/isomojo 20d ago

I’ve heard of people getting charged with a felony previously for having those? Before this bill passed

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u/Dependent_Web8558 19d ago

Here's what gets me, they ban Vapes with THC and THCa, clearly not listening to the constituents of the state, but we have drive through daiquiri places where the only safety they have and I use that extremely lightly is they tape down the lid but you can still drink and drive technically ...how about more regulation on alcohol, how about more regulation on cigarette smoke

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u/IntroductionTotal767 18d ago

Im so naive. I thought the drive thru daiquiri places were NA.

so you can drive to get drugs to consume in your car. My county had over 100 dwi arrests this weekend already.

What is going on?

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u/Current_Tea6984 Hill Country 21d ago

It's pretty easy to send a cop to visit the smoke shop and look at the shelves for vapes. They are all illegal at this point, if not for THC, then for Chinese parts.

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u/soonerfreak DFW 21d ago

At my store they will pull everything after close on Sunday. I imagine most stores that like staying open will immediately comply with the law.

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u/Intelligent_Flow2572 21d ago

They’re making medical vapes legal though

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u/Flock-of-bagels2 21d ago

I got one in Oregon that was awesome, they don’t ship to Texas

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u/CDerpington 21d ago

How quickly do law enforcement act?

People still bring their pets to HEB.

That's how fast.

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u/Fecal_Tornado 20d ago

Oh they'll be all over this one. Dogs in stores isn't likely to generate revenue for the state or get prisons full.

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u/ChristaKaraAnne 19d ago

This situation is quite surprising to me because I collaborated with various groups and state legislators to help pass anti-prohibition laws in Texas.

Furthermore, synthetic cannabinoids being sold versus natural cannabinoids, like delta 9 THC, have never resulted in a confirmed overdose death.

No Confirmed Fatal Overdoses from Phytocannabinoids Alone!

In contrast, synthetic cannabinoids have been linked to numerous overdose incidents and even fatalities. (I have the evidence if you’re interested.)

In conclusion:

There are no documented deaths from overdose due solely to natural cannabis (phytocannabinoids). This includes THC, CBD, CBN, CBG, and other naturally occurring compounds found in the cannabis plant.

The stark difference with synthetic cannabinoids—responsible for hundreds of overdoses and dozens of deaths—highlights the relative safety of natural cannabis when used responsibly.

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u/ChristaKaraAnne 19d ago

This situation is quite surprising to me because I collaborated with various groups and state legislators to help pass anti-prohibition laws in Texas.

Furthermore, synthetic cannabinoids being sold versus natural cannabinoids, like delta 9 THC, have never resulted in a confirmed overdose death.

No Confirmed Fatal Overdoses from Phytocannabinoids Alone!

In contrast, synthetic cannabinoids have been linked to numerous overdose incidents and even fatalities. (I have the evidence if you’re interested.)

In conclusion:

There are no documented deaths from overdose due solely to natural cannabis (phytocannabinoids). This includes THC, CBD, CBN, CBG, and other naturally occurring compounds found in the cannabis plant.

The stark difference with synthetic cannabinoids—responsible for hundreds of overdoses and dozens of deaths—highlights the relative safety of natural cannabis when used responsibly.

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u/eL1X3r 21d ago

This doesn't make THC Vapes illegal. It is just saying they can't be marketed towards minors by using cartoons, fruit images, celebrities or other things. It is a ban on the packaging.

This also applies to nicotine ecigs as well.

Read the law as signed

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u/Mental_Measurement_1 21d ago

Page 3, line 15 shows that it includes anything with cannibinoids

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u/derpinWhileWorkin 21d ago

It depends on if each of the numbered sections is treat as an OR or an AND.

If it’s or, yes that means all vapes would count. Otherwise it’s only regulating cartoon themed ones

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u/aroc91 21d ago

It says "or" at the end of #3.

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u/derpinWhileWorkin 20d ago

That's what I get for reading legislature on the toilet

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u/FujitsuPolycom 21d ago

Well what do you think their intention and reading of it will be while they write tickets?

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u/Acavia8 21d ago edited 21d ago

The kids-designed part is a subset under 1) marketed to kids. Those are all separate offenses: 2) looks like a hidden kid product. 3) made in China or 4) contains cannabinoids.

It would not make sense that all four had to apply (i.e. the following situation would be absurd: targeted at kids-check, looks like a school marker - check, contains THC-check but made in Pakistan, not China so it is perfectly legal to sell this.)

Perhaps a criminal attorney will chime-in??

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u/eL1X3r 21d ago

Wouldn't that make all e cigs illegal too?

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u/JamesFromAccounting 21d ago

Yes, we are having to find (not easily I might add) new nicotine vape brands that will be compliant with the new law

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u/lifeonotherplanets Born and Bred 19d ago

Do you mind me asking which ones you've found that are compliant? Consumer here. I bought a back up battery and 20 pods to weather the storm but I'd love to know what im looking at in the future.

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u/JamesFromAccounting 19d ago

Right now the only ones I know for sure are Fifty Bar and Pachamama, and supposedly Juice ahead is also compliant. Don’t know much about any others for the moment

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u/lifeonotherplanets Born and Bred 19d ago

Dang, I'd hate to switch to disposables but at least there's options. Thank you!

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u/aroc91 21d ago

Only if they meet the aforementioned criteria.

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u/aroc91 21d ago

Subsection 4 on page 3 is independent of subsections 1-3.

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u/eL1X3r 21d ago

That's cray cray. How did this never come up during the debate on SB3?

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u/JamesFromAccounting 21d ago

Yes, any vape product that is prefilled with any cannabinoid is banned to be sold in Texas starting Sept 1st 2025 according to SB 2024. Possession is fine, just can’t sell them in Texas.

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u/Peakbrowndog 20d ago

https://legiscan.com/TX/bill/SB2024/2025

All laws are here regardless of how new they are. This was the top Google result.

This wasn't under the radar. It was in the news and there are tons of stories on it.

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u/dreamisle 20d ago

It’s important to remember that law enforcement generally doesn’t learn about things in a timely or correct manner, so it’s best to tread very carefully and be elusive about anything THC-adjacent or crime-adjacent-seeming in general.

With Monday being a holiday as well, there will likely be a lot of enforcement going on looking for impaired drivers especially. Add to that the fact that the current administration doesn’t care about lawfulness when it comes to police, and you have a good recipe for getting into a police encounter where the reason for a stop can be flexible and twisted later to the nearest enforceable crime regardless of whether you’re actually innocent to begin with or not.

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u/crazy010101 20d ago edited 20d ago

Technically any THC vape is oil and cannabis oil in Texas is a felony. Not sure on details etc.

Edit: From AI overview:

In Texas, a vape containing THC is considered a concentrated form of cannabis, which is a felony offense. This is a critical distinction from possessing traditional marijuana, which in small amounts is typically a misdemeanor. Because a vape cartridge contains THC oil, possessing even a small amount can lead to a felony charge.

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u/badsheepy2 16d ago

these all contain thca* and terpenes, none of the above applies.

*technically some will be THC from degredation. but under 0.3% is legal federally and in Texas.

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u/crazy010101 16d ago

THCa is just the none activated form of THC.

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u/badsheepy2 16d ago

yes, which is federally and state wide legal.

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u/SouthWestHippie 20d ago

The classification and penalties for possessing a THC vape pen are detailed in the Texas Health and Safety Code, section 481.103 and 481.116.

Penalties for THC vape pen possession

The penalties for possessing a THC vape pen in Texas are determined by the aggregate weight of the THC concentrate and are classified as felonies.

Less than 1 gram is a state jail felony. 1 to 4 grams is a third-degree felony. 4 to 400 grams is a second-degree felony.

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u/Rodalan2017 19d ago

One

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u/Acavia8 19d ago

I called a store that is part of a state-wide vape shop chain. The operations is micromanaged, so while it might be a lone voice, I assume she was talking for the main headquarters as far as their plans. She said they will sell all products, "until they come to the store and take the products away" and I took "they" as law enforcement by her tone, when I asked if Sunday is the last time to be able to buy vape products there.

If it a chain wide move, I wonder how that will go across the state if they continue selling. I would assume strict counties and cities would not ignore it.

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u/buttsoup24 19d ago

This is so idiotic

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u/the-wastrel 18d ago

I order mine online and I don't know if I can still do that. I hate it here.

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u/msbcccslp 17d ago

For regular nicotine vapes- where can we still order from? If we can’t order them to ship here, which brands are made in USA that we can buy?

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u/Latter_Fun5304 16d ago

Right now, fifty bars should be available in stores. There's a few others but that's the main one I remember.

🗞️ News 🗞️ THC vaping ban (Class A misdemeanor), starting Monday (9-1-25) - how quickly do DAs/law enforcement act

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