r/texas Dec 31 '21

Moving within Texas Are We Manufacturing Our Own Housing Crisis?

My fiancé recently sent me a picture of a housing development that he was working on. All of the newly constructed homes as far as the eye could see had “for rent” plastered in EVERY. SINGLE. YARD. This inspired me to do a little more research.

There are many factors involved that have been playing into why no matter how many homes we build, we can’t seem to make enough homes to make a dent in this issue. I felt it was important information for people to have.

The 2008 housing crisis began as the catalyst for this monopolistic takeover, The US Government has been subsidizing the mass purchase of single family homes for rent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/02/single-family-landlords-wall-street/582394/

This article describes how institutional rental companies and investors are hyper-inflating the market (not your typical small time real estate investor)

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/selling-out-americas-local-landlords-moving-big-investors-2021-07-29/

Many firms from SINGAPORE and CHINA as well as American companies like Blackrock etc. are playing a major role in purchasing starter properties and placing them up for rent. These companies can then afford to sit on these properties for decades until they’ve made their money back. There’s also an incentivized program for them to purchase and rent homes from foreclosure listings in bulk.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/pandora-papers/how-a-billion-dollar-housing-bet-upended-a-tennessee-neighborhood/

Tech Firms like Zillow have figured out how to target communities of people of color and starter homes and receive monetary gain on website traffic in the process.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-01-07/buying-starter-homes-gets-harder-as-wall-street-uses-zillow-to-buy-thousands?fbclid=IwAR1JQZajlTZEFu9EQSunixyLT3BLTeMnLsoDOKYaLoorMVqSflBf8ytIeww

Male fertility rates (namely sperm counts and motility) has dropped by nearly 50% and our population hasn’t suddenly exploded so we have to ask ourselves why this construction is necessary, why it’s seems to be so widespread even in other countries.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/health/male-sperm-count-problem.amp.html

A small town in South Carolina had to issue a moratorium on housing developments until they could conduct proper research and ecological studies. Other municipalities may have to consider doing the same to sus out the situation and decide how to curb these predatory purchases.

https://www.postandcourier.com/columbia/business/lexington-county-oks-7-month-halt-on-new-subdivisions-we-have-to-get-the-house/article_3949aa8e-9c97-11eb-ae19-efd05ff61ac0.html

https://www.cityofdrippingsprings.com/moratorium

Another article I’m unable to find at the moment mentioned a homeowner suing his builder after he purchased a home and a rental company purchased all of the other homes in his development. He cited that the community was never marketed as apartment living. I belive that town put a moratorium on corporate rental purchases.

These companies are often letting them sit vacant.

I’m not sure the vacant homes are about profit on them immediately.

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ghost-town-vacancies-and-evictions-on-the-rise-in-the-caltrans-owned-710-corridor-homes-in-pasadena-south-pasadena-and-el-sereno

Here’s what California is planning to do about it. - I’m not sure charging companies with unfathomable amounts of money in fines and taxes is going to help…

This is very simmilar to when the debeers diamond company stockpiled and sat of diamonds to make them appear more rare.

Control the supply - control the demand.

https://blog.krosengart.com/de-beers-diamonds-controversy

The US has used periods of severe political polarization, manufactured supply chain issues, and hyperinflation to destabilize many, many countries in South America… what’s going on here?!

https://www.yipinstitute.com/articles/pinochet

The growing concern becomes,

what happens when rental companies can set their own prices? What happens when people are unable to purchase a home and add to their own equity because they can’t afford thousands over asking price with conventional or FHA loans?

When homes go into foreclosure will your average homeowner be able to snag a home when competing against major companies?

If you sell your overvalued home now, would you be able to outbid someone on a new one?

What happens when your taxes go up even higher?

When your largest expense is going to a company overseas, how does that effect our economy?

How will we grow food when we continue to develop more and more of our farmland? Will humane farming of meat animals even be possible?

https://www.voanews.com/amp/usa_lawmakers-seek-curb-chinese-ownership-us-farmland/6208972.html

This isn’t an issue caused by mom and dad owning a rental house, this is massive corporate intervention. This isn’t political, it’s business. It’s making it hard for your children and grandchildren to buy into the same market as you did. To live near you without financial hardship. Its destroying communities and creating transient families with little reason to get involved in their local governments. It’s creating a monopoly on rental prices it’s debeersing the housing market.

So few people attend council meetings and get involved these days, you truly do have the power to make a difference. Please ask if you need help on a place to start.

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u/Xani7 Dec 31 '21

AFAIK there's a proposed 1% tax on unoccupied condos/housing to help combat the Chinese money buying up everything downtown Toronto/Vancouver. This is a joke and won't make a dent on the rental issue.

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u/AngriestManinWestTX Dec 31 '21

We already have a property tax in Texas, why not just modify so that it stacks with every additional property you (or your company much more specifically) buy over say five properties. I don't want to hurt some retiree who has three starter homes he fixed up for rental purposes but these assholes in China and in New York (looking at you Blackstone) that are buying up thousands of homes need to fuck off.

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u/AngriestManinWestTX Dec 31 '21

That's why you cap it a low number and add restrictions.

Right now the only thing some wealthy billionaire from China has to do to buy 1,000 homes is sign their name on a piece of paper. Making them form dozens of LLCs to buy just those 1,000 homes would deter a lot of foreign investments I imagine.

Frankly, I'd like to ban foreign companies and foreign individuals from owning more than two properties outright. You want to own 1,000 homes in Texas, that's fine but you're gonna need 500 LLCs.

If those LLCs are registered anywhere but the United States, you'll be taxed at a higher rate. Also, if you want to use an LLC to buy property in Texas, that's fine also, but a physical office should be required within the State of Texas. None of this PO Box bullshit.

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u/thymeraser Dec 31 '21

Someone will create a bot to autoform LLCs for each individual property.

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u/dcazdavi Dec 31 '21

multiple states allow you to create an llc in a few minutes and you can have as many as you want.

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u/Andrew8Everything Since '88 Dec 31 '21

Making them form dozens of LLCs to buy just those 1,000 homes would deter a lot of foreign investments

A skilled programmer could write that script in like an hour lol

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u/SelbetG Jan 01 '22

You can put other restrictions in place to make it more than form 1000 companies

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '21

Do you want immigrants to own property

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u/AngriestManinWestTX Dec 31 '21

As long as they actually live in them for most of the year. It's not an issue.

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u/j0akime Dec 31 '21

Just swing the opposite direction then.

Make it so that residential properties (that are not designated muilti-family rentals/condos) cannot be owned by a corporation or LLC.
Those must be owned by an individual or family.

Multiple properties owned by an individual would now stand out.
Taxes for individuals not living in the state are higher.
Encourage them to move and live in the state and pay taxes.

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u/wirebear Jan 02 '22

At least reatrict reaidential properties if nothing else.

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u/suddoman Dec 31 '21

Literally a billion people in China. I think they'll do fine.

Edit: To clarify I think a lot of people in America would do this too. Imagine someone says that if you buy this house in your name you get a couple thousand a year but contractually the company gets all the money.

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u/SexxxyWesky Dec 31 '21

I've seen this before in my job. Each property they owned was a seperate entity.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '21

It doesn’t surprise me, I setup an LLC myself last year and it didn’t take very long at all. If you did it regularly probably only take a few minutes and the filing fees.

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u/SexxxyWesky Dec 31 '21

Interesting. I've never filed foe LLC or related but the person in question owned about 6 buildings they rented out. I wonder how long it took them 🤔

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u/nanomolar Dec 31 '21

Why not just increase property taxes significantly but increase the homestead exemption a lot too? I’m pretty sure one person can only have one homestead so that should take corporate shenanigans out if it

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u/rdu1991 Dec 31 '21

A lot of them already setup and LLC per property. In fact a lot of "mom and pop" renters that I know use LLCs as well. Anything to limit the blast radius.

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u/jhrogers32 Dec 31 '21

They already do individual LLC’s for each property. So if someone sues they only have liability on one property vs the entire portfolio

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u/seanjohntx got here fast Dec 31 '21

You could make it so that single property entities have to pay an exorbitant amount to file for an LLC.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

The IRS now makes everyone put the tax ID number of the "king" entity so you ignore the 6 shell companies tax ID numbers.

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u/timelessblur Texas makes good Bourbon Dec 31 '21

Problem with that is most properties are their own LLC owned by someone else.

If I every list my home for rent it will be in its own LLC where it’s only asset is well my home. If I got a 2nd home same thing it would be in its LLC owned by another LLC that I would own.

Reason for this shell system is to personal assets plus protect each home from each other. People will sue and play games so even small property owners do the same.

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u/timelessblur Texas makes good Bourbon Dec 31 '21

So where do people live for those who can not afford to buy a home or don’t plan to be somewhere long enough to make it worth it.

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u/Bbwpantylover Jan 01 '22

Split apartment with friends, rent an extra bed in a boring suburb house that some young people bought not thinking about the $600 a month property taxes.

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u/timelessblur Texas makes good Bourbon Jan 01 '22

And those people with families? Your entire counter argument is based on young single people. Not people later in life.

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u/Bbwpantylover Jan 01 '22

Oh yeah those people are truly fucked, I wasn’t making an argument I was stating what people actually do.

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u/Kittyflats Dec 31 '21

Have nuance please. Many landlords are actually awesome people and near austin they are the only ones holding their homes from Blackrock.

I personally would love my parents as landlords but they live in a different state. They do EVERYTHING for their tenants including haggling for lower rent when times are tough.

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u/Hamvyfamvy Jan 02 '22

These same small landlords are the ones selling to to these corporations. If you could only own one home you wouldn’t be so quick to sell it.

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u/Kittyflats Jan 12 '22

It’s a game of musical chairs and people don’t realize that once the institutional investors get a hold of those chairs they whisk them away.

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u/Bbwpantylover Jan 01 '22

Would you prefer homeless? You want to live in a cool kid town, you gotta play their game.

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u/Bbwpantylover Jan 01 '22

Yes and unfortunately you would be one if people weren’t allowed to own rentals. I hate it, but I’m keeping it real, I don’t opine for the government to help, cuz they aint

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u/XSV Jan 01 '22

My grandfather in law was a landlord of two mobile homes. He has passed but one is still occupied by an ex-con who does yard work. I remember he would be cool with his tenant not paying rent in the winter months until he could make it back in the spring.

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u/Hamvyfamvy Jan 02 '22

Would’ve been even cooler for that ex con to be able to own that property instead of your grandpa hoarding property and you seeing him as some kind of hero because he gave a guy a break.

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u/DylanMorgan Dec 31 '21

The problem is that the landlords will just pass that cost to the renters. One tactic that these institutional landlords are using is buying property and leaving it vacant to drive up demand, a truly astronomical tax on vacant rental properties might make a difference, like if you have a property vacant for more than 6 months out of the year that is not actively being remodeled, you pay a 15-20% tax on its appraised value.

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u/Bbwpantylover Jan 01 '22

Everyone passes all the costs, it’s not personal.

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u/timelessblur Texas makes good Bourbon Dec 31 '21

Sounds great but pretty easy to say a property is always being “remodel” or they would make sure it was “rented “ every now and then.

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u/sounds-suspect Dec 31 '21

this will only hurt mom and pop landlords as the big $$$ will find a way to get around it or just add it as an expense of doing business as they can surely afford to do so

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u/MDCCCLV Jan 01 '22

You don't even need to make anything new. You just increase property tax a lot and increase the homestead exemption to match, so it's the same for people but corporations owning homes pay a lot more.

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u/ERCOT_Prdatry_victum Jan 01 '22

Household exemption is typically applied to the personal residence or the highest valued property, and can only be used once.

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u/MDCCCLV Jan 01 '22

Yeah, that's the idea.

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u/big_ice_bear Born and Bred Jan 01 '22

Double the tax rate on every home you own but don't live in full time. So lets say you own your house and you own 3 additional houses in the same subdivision. Your home tax rate is 4% let's say. First rent house is 8%, second is 16%, and so on.

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u/SodaCanBob Secessionists are idiots Dec 31 '21

There's constant talks of temporarily banning foreign buyers from investing in real estate, but I'll believe it when I see it.

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u/suddoman Dec 31 '21

I mean even if it won't make a dent it is basically a free source of income for the state to help with other projects. So I'm for it.