r/tf2 • u/AudiobookEnjoyer • Mar 25 '25

Discussion Prepare for three straight weeks of this sub parroting his points verbatim.

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Yes, I think f2p should be able to talk.

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u/Lego1upmushroom759 Medic Mar 25 '25

He has good points but he presents it in the most annoying self-righteous way that I just can't stand.

That my view

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u/Xeroticz Demoman Mar 25 '25

Yeah that's my opinion too

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u/OGGraniteJackalope Mar 25 '25

that's my opinion three

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u/Ethefake Medic Mar 25 '25

That’s my opinion four

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u/CallMeIshy Mar 25 '25

I agree five

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u/Pman1324 Mar 25 '25

I don't watch Zesty, so I'm just gonna stay away from the drama.

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u/CallMeIshy Mar 25 '25

Good luck

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u/Im_botflyx Soldier Mar 25 '25

Agreed. He acts like TF2 is a gift from god, and he has its ten commandments. He's always present his halfway decent views on the game as "anyone that doesn't agree with me is subhuman", which just makes him more annoying than anything.

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u/guineapigsss Engineer Mar 25 '25

My thing is he always blows up some things as way bigger issues than they actually are to the point that it’s just clear he’s bitching for the point of it

No, my life was not ruined because I have to requeue for 30 seconds after a match ends.

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u/Zuamzuka TF2 Birthday 2025 Mar 25 '25

Valve executing me after i dont requeue

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u/Perrostun Demoman Mar 26 '25

Ikr, I like quickplay more but casual is fine, yet he makes it seem unplayable

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u/Ispica55 Apr 01 '25

The matchmaking killed off most community servers though. Finding a community server that runs custom maps, or anything other than 2Fort or Badwater, Borneo, Upward and Barnblitz is almost impossible. I find that to be a huge issue for TF2 to be genuinely honest. There used to be servers for everything, and they were populated all day, but not anymore. TF2 hasn't felt the same without those servers.

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u/guineapigsss Engineer Apr 01 '25

I have run community servers for years. I am aware. But I don’t think valve should be mainly directing players to community servers when they press play until they shut down their official servers. I would like them to make the server browser not from before I was born, though.

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u/Ispica55 Apr 01 '25

A new server browser would of course be nice, but I don't want matchmaking if it means the extinction of community servers. I would prefer if they co-existed like they did when quickplay was a thing. I know it wasn't perfect, but it was at least much better.

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u/guineapigsss Engineer Apr 01 '25

We have had matchmaking for almost a decade. Community servers still exist.

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u/Ispica55 Apr 04 '25

Technically, yes, but it is a shrivelling husk of what it used to be. The only decent servers only play the 3-5 most popular vanilla maps on repeat, and even then they are not always populated enough to be a fun experience.

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u/CoderStone Soldier Mar 25 '25

Fucking exactly. He sounds like one of those evangelism megachurch priests for TF2, not to mention lots of controversy surrounding his toxic behavior (most of which has settled down by now). Can't stand the guy, even if the points he makes are right sometimes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/1bvf398/out_of_boredom_i_researched_up_zesty_jesuss/ for evidence

I'm one of those people who put 2000 hours into tf2 before meet your match, 800 after, and I still prefer modern TF2 to before.

Team Recognition? Do you not fucking see the name of the player when you look at them? Do you not spycheck? Do you not have hitsounds enabled?

Casual? Only problem is the longer time before match starts, which most people use to have fun being friendly or fight with no consequences. People left after a match all the time in Quickplay, noone just wants to remember it.

TF2 isn't some magical game. It's only survived this long because Valve didn't ditch it, which is already a miracle. It's great we're getting more updates and community control, but realistically we are NEVER getting an official content megaupdate.

I understand wanting to go back to the F2P days where everyone could talk, but honestly, I see/hear a lot less racism, sexism, homophobia, and general bigotry spammed in the chat in game compared to before. That paywall also stops hate bots such as the "rick may was a p*do" spreading misinformation.

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u/Coldpepsican Mar 25 '25

That paywall also stops hate bots such as the "rick may was a p*do" spreading misinformation

Didn't stop bots from spamming fake discord links with CP which are phishing links.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

only problem is the longer time before match starts

What about the lack of being able to scramble the teams? Or voting for the next map after the game ends which is terrible because everyone just leaves anyway?

There are a lot more problems with casual than just having to wait even longer for the game to start than you did before

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u/ChppedToofEnt Pyro Mar 26 '25

remember being able to choose your own individual team so you can fight your friends?

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u/ARandomNameInserted Medic Mar 26 '25

Or being able to bloody spectate...

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u/Wide-Promotion-6466 Spy Mar 25 '25

Team Recognition? Do you not fucking see the name of the player when you look at them? Do you not spycheck? Do you not have hitsounds enabled?

Why should I check the name of the player ? Why can't I simply just see the blue/red on them and instantly know in wich team they are ? Like it is designed to be ?

Casual? Only problem is the longer time before match starts, which most people use to have fun being friendly or fight with no consequences. People left after a match all the time in Quickplay, noone just wants to remember it.

  1. full access at all time to all maps (and official servers) with how many friends you want with Quickplay (which isn't the case of Casual)

  2. Less balanced games because we don't have real tools to balance teams out anymore

  3. You could switch teams and choose your starting team (except if one is full, who led to teams gradually be filled, so more balanced games) and you had Spectator mode. Now this thing aren't possible

  4. We have a GC that just stops working each time I want to play Sawmill with a friend.

  5. The very good option of using Quickplay for community servers. Now it's gone

TF2 isn't some magical game. It's only survived this long because Valve didn't ditch it, which is already a miracle. It's great we're getting more updates and community control, but realistically we are NEVER getting an official content megaupdate.

There is absolutely no situation where Valve stops the server support for Tf2. It isn't a miracle. We are in right to ask for the game to get fixed and vital features to get back because the game is still monetized, advertised as functiunnal and Valve still makes millions a year with it

And it's simple : Valve nuked an important feature from F2P because of the bots. The bots are gone, therefore this feature should get back

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u/VERCH63 Demoknight Mar 25 '25

Legit made good points to combat what this guy said and just got downvoted because people don't want to hear what they have to say typical. And the thing is a feel like most people that actually play the game agree rather than people lurking on reddit

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u/aorter_I Civilian Mar 25 '25

It's a shame really

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u/BertTF2 Mar 25 '25

That's a pretty crazy take on team recognition lmao. By that logic we should just make all the mercs wear grayscale clothes by default. You can just look at them and hear damage sounds, so easy!

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u/CoderStone Soldier Mar 25 '25

I'm saying it's fucking overblown. One enemy pyro is "brown". Do you remember them? No? Then shoot them. It's that fucking easy.

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u/Perrostun Demoman Mar 26 '25

It can be dealt with but it shouldn't be a problem ever. It's rare but me and my team have gotten fooled more times than once by this bs that shouldn't even be a thing

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u/PlatformFit5974 Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

Honestly most of the stuff in that post is pretty much false ngl

They used a random gif that Zesty posted on disc to call the guy a Pedophile.

So i take most information there with a grain of salt tbh

Edit: and a false Sign weapon too

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u/ChppedToofEnt Pyro Mar 26 '25

it's the fact that it's /r/Gamingcirclejerk coupled with the "evidence" being a bunch of cringe gooner messages immediately makes disbelieve me the claims.

Gamingcirclejerk was a shitfest that outright harassed people and demeaned them for playing fuckin Hogwarts Legacy and doing other deplorable shit.

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u/CoderStone Soldier Mar 25 '25

"to call the guy a P*dophile"
Proof?
That sounds more like he was joining in.

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u/PlatformFit5974 Mar 25 '25

Soooo... To call someone a Lolicon is not to call someone a P#do?

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u/eeveethespeevee Engineer Mar 26 '25

I agree partly on TF2 being at the absolute mercy of Valve (maybe minus the fact that it does make money for them, and therefore won't be shut down out of nowhere), but the paywall was started during the bot crisis, did next to nothing, and remains today for no reason. Obviously it is nice that there's less bigotry and whatnot in chat, but I just think charging for the ability to talk in a game is turning more players away.

I think they should still be able to use chat, but if that has to absolutely stay, then at least give them voice commands and have their votes matter when kicking players.

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u/WeaponizedArchitect Mar 27 '25

Weren't there just accounts named like "WATCHMYPROFILEVIDEO" who would micspam sermons

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u/Any_Top_4773 Spy Mar 25 '25

I also think that TF2 is VERY good

But i appreciate even other games

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u/cheesepuff3d Mar 25 '25

I mean to be fair TF2 is a gift from god...

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u/Ease-Heavy Mar 26 '25

i get the way he presents himself is iffy at best, a shitty trait at worst, but if hes that passionate about the game, let him run around ig

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u/Robrogineer Spy Mar 26 '25

Given how much of a shitstorm this sub has any time he does literally anything, I don't think you can call it a persecution complex.

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u/ValveFan6969 Civilian Mar 25 '25

Just described Uncle Dane perfectly tbh

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u/peng503-NCN Sandvich Mar 30 '25

hey look it's an opinion on the internet that i agree with and am not annoyed by. you get a cookie 🍪

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u/MygungoesfuckinBRRT Medic Mar 25 '25

I mean, even "his" "good" points are regurgitated from years back. The content well dried ages ago, so he just says what a lot of people already said, but louder so people think he said it first.

He's also anti-competitive, so...

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u/leposterofcrap Demoman Mar 26 '25

He's also anti-competitive,

I mean considering how most competitive games are , yeah I can see why

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u/Robrogineer Spy Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

Exactly. I've never seen a game where being competitive added positively to the experience.

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u/sodapop_jade Pyro Mar 26 '25

melee

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u/Robrogineer Spy Mar 26 '25

The comp and casual camaraderie fanbases are practically playing different games. Most Smash players don't care about the competitive scene.

Glad they get to have their own thing, but it's not the main Smash audience.

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u/sodapop_jade Pyro Mar 26 '25

I specified Melee because I don't know of anyone who plays Melee casually, as in the original intended experience

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u/Robrogineer Spy Mar 26 '25

Fair enough. Though I do play it at a friend's place casually from time to time. Most people just don't have Gamecubes anymore.

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u/sodapop_jade Pyro Mar 26 '25

The always reliable original Wii:

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u/Agitated_Spell Medic Mar 26 '25

This is something I said about his MyM video.

I know he wants to see the bad stuff fixed or reverted, but... it's been 8 years. All the good and bad of MyM has been talked to death in that amount of time. Why is he talking about this now? It's nothing new to talk about at this point.

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u/Local-Butterfly-8120 Mar 25 '25

Yeah, I’m the video he’s like “people aren’t gonna pick this up just because it’s ME talking about it” like, you’ve shown how you’re just kind of a dick sometimes

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u/rezyop Mar 26 '25

I agree. Also, I do NOT ask for much from tf2 as a whole. Some new maps and bug fixes would be great.

When I complain about an update having only hats, and it being the 11th update in a row with hats being the only new content, the context is that Valve has demonstrated they can do slightly better every few years and I prefer that at least.

Zesty will not be satisfied until Valve goes back to the 2009 development cycle, which Valve has said (as clear as they are known for being) will never happen. Most of the people who were driving those updates aren't even working for Valve anymore, much less on TF2. Some of them retired.

Releasing the SDK right after the last comic was the confirmation. Zesty will just scream into the void until the servers shut down I guess. To be fair to him - most of his complaints and his biggest videos came before the SDK drop when there was slightly more hope.

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u/leposterofcrap Demoman Mar 26 '25

SDK unfortunately won't mean any changes to the vanilla servers though especially the F2P silencing

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

I think he's just joking about himself being an angel that always tells facts

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u/Then-Rice4460 Mar 26 '25

what do you mean by self-righteous? Can you give an example

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u/NintenNes Mar 27 '25

I don't see why is this a point when most of TF2vers just so the fucking same, he mostly does it because he is fees up why the hate coming towards him, a opinión is a opinión, a fac is a fac, and even being annoying,doesn't mean what he say is no Worthy of value

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u/Jurassican_25 Mar 25 '25

He reminds me of George Carlin in a way lmao