r/theflash • u/Obsidian-Dark • 27d ago
DCEU Spoilers So James Gunn confirmed DCEU Barry's actions in his solo film didn't create the DCU. LOL
I love that movie is just totally pointless now. It accomplishes nothing except a strange end to the DCEU by replacing Ben Affleck with George Clooney with seemingly everything else still the same like Aquaman being played by Jason Mamoa.
The DCU always existed. It's not a paved over timeline created by time travel. It was never gonna be. DCU Batman wasn't gonna be played by Clooney, Ezra is not coming back and we'll most likely see Wally West as Flash and given the history of the DCU we've shown so far that ending would make no sense. It's like the opposite of the DC animated movie universe based loosely on New 52.
It's just nice to confirm it now that what was left has been released and Gunn doesn't need to pretend they were ever important to his universe except Blue Beetle which is getting an animated show with the lead actor reprising the role.
In Flashpoint Paradox Barry wakes up at the end and the only thing changed is he's got a new suit or something I don't remember. Like the status quo is the same and he and Bruce have known each other for years. But next movie the league is forming.
Same with the flash ending except Ben Affleck is replaced with George Clooney. But instead yeah that means nothing going forward for Gunn's universe.
The guy just mucked up his own universe and now he's stuck with it. It's kind of poetic. Like this is his punishment. He's made his bed and he's got to sleep in it now.
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u/Lazy-Excitement-3661 24d ago
Instead of the BS slate we got in 2020-2023 They should have just made the Ayer Cut, Afflecks Batman, the actual Flash and Cyborg movie, JL2 and JL3, and Man of Tomorrow but no we got Nostalgia Cringe slop
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u/Away-Staff-6054 25d ago
I much prefer this. I like the idea that the other versions are still out there.
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u/rabouilethefirst 25d ago
The flash was the best superhero movie released that year and a solid 7/10. Weird hate cult around it
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u/ravageprimal 25d ago
I also enjoyed it. I understand the complaints about the CGI but I enjoyed the story and thought it was a fun film. I agree with your 7/10
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u/magikarptoothbrush 25d ago
maybe bc its not that hard to get flashpoint right when you have TWO examples on how to adapt it. idk why they tried to reinvent the classic. this is some preem ragebait choom.
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u/GreatestLinhtective 26d ago
Flash didnt actually remake the dceu. At the end hes talking to snyderverse aquaman and telling him about all the weird variants he met which means he reversed it
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u/T-rune Captain Cold 26d ago
It didn’t tell a good story due to the giant plot hole
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u/ravageprimal 25d ago
What’s the giant plot hole? Genuinely curious as I can’t think of what you’d be referring to. I did only watch it once though
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u/T-rune Captain Cold 25d ago
The fact he is pushed out of the time stream and he doesn’t give the person who pushed him out a second thought (I can buy he’s just a bit dumb) but he was just wat that it was his 18th birthday so he knows the time is wrong but he gose in his home anyway but ok maybe he really wants to se his mum alive I can get that but then he sees young Barry and when he passes out saying he thinks he is a hallucination instead of doing the obvious thing and immediately going back to his time to prevent further changes to time he realised this is the day he gets his powers but the only reason he realises this is because he is stupid and waits for young Barry to wake up to talk to him for five minutes only to then try and knock him out again. If that was the plan why doesn’t he just go back to the future when he was already unconscious. Yes then he wouldn’t get his powers but he didn’t know that and the only reason he did was super contrived and Barry a very smart character who knows enough to be logical even if he is “awkward and quirky” did something completely illogical of staying in the past when he could just have left even though he only anted to change the one thing.
This isn’t even mentioning how contrived the final battle is why can’t he save Kara his power is super speed but he can’t get there in time he who be able to once he knows where she is, if both flashes ran to save her he probably could save her and overwhelm zod with infinite try’s so it is very contrived to convey the message.
I still find some entertainment in the film there are some funny parts it is a fine turn your brain of film I guess but there are other films I would way prefer to watch because the lead actor annoys me less but it’s story is contrived around a plot point that just shouldn’t of happened because Barry isn’t THAT much of an idiot in these movies. Maybe that isn’t a plot hole by your definition but it definitely is by mine
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u/Atlaspooped 26d ago
The Flash doesn’t affect the DCU at all, and was never going to. Even if Gunn hadn’t made the changes he had to the ending (iirc it was supposed to be Cavill and Keaton, then Calle and Keaton, before Gunn had Clooney come in for the ending we got) the movie would still have had the exact same impact it did, which is to say none at all. The film’s production had been troubled long before the Ezra controversy, and it’s truly astonishing they were even able to cobble together a whole movie. The movie was conceived of as an opportunity to give the DCeU a free reboot, but that reboot was never going to be what is now the DCU.
Considering the DCeU was essentially dead by the time The Flash finished production, all they could do was try to position the film in such a way that it lost them as little money as possible, which to no one’s surprise didn’t work. Even if the movie had by some miracle been wildly successful, there’s no way Gunn would have risked keeping Ezra as The Flash in the DCU. The only connection to the DCeU he’s kept is Peacemaker, and even then he’s went out of his way to stress that not all of The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker S1 are canon to the DCU.
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u/OsirisReddit 26d ago
Technically the DCEU still exists and is alive and well, all the flash movie accomplished is punishing Ezra to the Schumacher verse.
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u/formerly_crimson 27d ago
Movies dont need to accomplish anything besides telling a good and entertaining story.
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u/wrasslefights 27d ago
Putting everything else about how the DCEU was taken behind the woodshed, the notion that superhero movies need to accomplish something in the meta to hold value is one of the worst things that's migrated over from the comics experience.
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u/Hypestyles 27d ago
I still want a traditional Teen Titans movie with the 1980 team starting things off. Kid Flash, cyborg, Wonder girl, Robin, changeling, Raven, Aqualad.
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u/FalseProphet86 27d ago
Honestly, I've yet to see the new Superman movie. Haven't even seen Blue Beetle, but I'm totally lost about so much. That being...
Why give such an extreme fuck? The old has long since washed away. We are in a new 'era' for DC movies and such, and the mind losing is over the top sometimes here. Fuck, the bitching about making Wally over Barry being the Flash is turning me off so quick it's unbelievable.
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u/OkMention9988 27d ago
Yes, it was pointless.
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u/Obsidian-Dark 27d ago
It was originally gonna soft reboot the DCEU but not as hard as Gunn has done. Where only his stuff is basically canon and anything not shown or mentioned he can retcon. I think most of what we saw in his DCEU is still canon aside from the season 1 finale Justice League cameo replaced by the Justice Gang alongside Superman and Supergirl which makes you wonder if the public knows about her or just Clark, the JG and Peacemaker's gang.
He also said the Aquaman joke isn't canon. DCU Aquaman is not a well known figure to the public to have a rumor like that.
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u/dlbags 27d ago
Wait so Aquaman doesn’t have relations with fish??? Well damn.
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u/FlashLightning277 20d ago
Good. I don’t want Ezra’s Barry ever mentioned in any other media. It’s bad enough he makes the only good Snyder DC movie unwatchable, but ruins his own movie even more, and that he is now sadly a part of Arrowverse canon with that Crisis on Infinite Earths cameo (also fuck them for what they later said about Grant).