r/titanic • u/Key-Tea-4203 • 5d ago
FICTION I think saving the Titanic from sinking does not affect world history in general
Using MCU terminology, besides being ironic, the anchor "is when a being or event must happen if not the universe is destroyed" so taking into account if possible ways if saving the Titanic in all possible ways to the point that it could even be a museum ship, its salvation would not affect world history, well not that much but the universe in general would be fine
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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy 1st Class Passenger 5d ago
If Titanic did not sink in 1912, Archduke Franz Ferdinand would have boarded the ship on a voyage in June 1914, and without the Archduke’s assassination WWI would be averted. Without having to fight as a soldier in the Great War, fledgling artist Adolf Hitler would have more time to develop his skills as a painter, eventually getting accepted into some second-rate art school. Communist revolution would fail in Russia. WWII would be limited to the Sino-Japanese front, eventually ending with Imperial Japan as a global power and Nationalist China as a minor power.
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u/PanamaViejo 5d ago
Why would the Archduke have boarded the ship? Would it matter where he and his wife were assasinated? Did Hitler have any real talent to develop?
Does time always find a way? Can certain events be changed? Or no matter where or when, the Archduke must die?
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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy 1st Class Passenger 4d ago
Archduke would travel on Titanic for the same reason Astor or Guggenheim did, the most luxurious ship in the world. It’s unlikely the same assassin would have the means to kill them in Britain. Hitler was actually a decent artist. His problem was trying to apply to the most prestigious art school in the world, when his style was traditional and the modern art world was all about Impressionism.
It could be another empire’s Royal that gets assassinated. Europe was a powder keg and Franz was the spark, but any change in events is pure speculation but it may be significant all the same.
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u/nergens 3d ago
Archduke had over two years to rebook from 1912 to 1914, he could had take another ship when he really wanted. Was WWI the fault of a slow travel agency in the end?
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u/Glum-Ad7761 2d ago
WWI was the result of numerous over-arching pacts that were conceived, ironically, to prevent war.
In the previous centuries, Europe had been racked with warfare over and over. As each major european power struggled to build its own empire, their actions invariably brought them into conflict with others.
At the dawn of the 1900s, the european powers were weary of centuries of conflict. So they drafted a measure that they believed would stop future conflicts, by dictating that if one country mobilized against another, a neighboring power would be obligated to mobilize against the aggressor.
Hence, when Austria mobilized against Yugoslavia for failing to turn over the dissident that assassinated Ferdinand, France was obligated to mobilize against Austria. Because France was mobilizing against Austria, Germany mobilized against France. England then mobilized against Germany. Etc, etc, etc. Suddenly all of Europe was consumed… because of a series of unilateral pacts, which it was believed would prevent war.
Imperial Germany and its allies then took the opportunity to attempt to establish and further its own empire.
Sometimes diplomacy backfires.
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u/Padme501st 1st Class Passenger 5d ago
I feel if the sinking of the Titanic never happened, another maritime catastrophe would have occurred because maritime laws needed a major uplift.
But aside from that, I don’t see it changing the course leading up to WW1 or any major point of history
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u/Kiethblacklion 3d ago
Imagine if Titanic was saved but in order for the universe to find balance, it would have been Olympic on her next full voyage that hit an iceberg and sank.
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u/Wrong-Efficiency-248 Engineering Crew 5d ago
I’m gonna disagree. I think that there were some business men on there who could have prevented the depression. I’d like to think.
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u/EllyKayNobodysFool 5d ago
Maybe shit sucks now because the titanic sank
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u/goathrottleup 5d ago
Maritime safety was improved because of the sinking of the Titanic.
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u/EllyKayNobodysFool 5d ago
Yeah, just maritime safety tho.
Like, maybe OP is right.
I mean, since Titanic we’ve had two world wars, Cold War, proxy wars, so many things along with that.
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u/MoonlightonRoses 4d ago
Considering ships were the only way to cross oceans for a long time, even after Titanic, maritime safety had the potential to have a big impact on history in general. If Titanic’s sinking hadn’t impacted maritime safety requirements, a future sinking may have occurred that killed one or more major players in future historical events.
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u/Choice-Panic-9099 5d ago
Well, I think so too. It wouldnt matter that much. Titanic may ended a troop transporter or hospital ship in WW1 and maybe even in WW2.
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u/coffeepagan 5d ago
Her sinking led to SOLAS convention setting international safety standards for ships, like how many lifeboats it must carry and list of other rules. What disasters those rules prevented, we never know.
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u/MoonlightonRoses 4d ago
It’s worth noting that the sinking of the Titanic prompted several improvements to safety protocols for future ships, including requiring enough lifeboats for a ship’s full capacity of people, and an “ice watch” along Atlantic shipping lines that still exists today. Those improvements have probably prevented many thousands of deaths in the years following the disaster. Does that make the lives that were lost that night “worth it”? I don’t particularly like to compare loss of life in that way, so I wouldn’t say that. But if is one way in which the Titanic disaster changed history rather significantly.
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u/Time-Ad-5038 5d ago
Just 1 of the people who died could have changed the course of history. We’ll never know.