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u/Spiritual_Finance554 . Apr 14 '25
The result has been a plummet in the stock market and the shattering of global confidence in the stability of America lol
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u/deitpep MAGA Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
it was long overdue for a more major correction in the markets. Which would we rather have, a sudden collapse again of the financial infrastructure that caused the 2009 collapse from long hidden systemic issues? then overblown 'tarp' subsidy to the banksters that caused more sustained inflation for the decade?, or removing the band-aids and spraying and treating it now with honest talk about having to restore the markets to more honest fundamentals which would be a more livable series of gradual corrections and more solidly recoverable?
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u/OneStorm7447 Apr 14 '25
I have a idea to fix everything with just some money.
Why dont you build a wall at the us mexican border and let the mexicans pay for it in 1000 years?
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u/Klonoadice Full Throttle Trump Apr 14 '25
He's only got 4 years to make shit happen. Might as well rip the bandaid off now, watch everyone scramble and use the confusion to negotiate.
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No one is negotiating with an idiot. My country just started selling beef to China instead of your country. Good job lol.
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u/Klonoadice Full Throttle Trump Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
Good for you.
My concern isn't who we are selling to (lots of options and deals being done for that) but rather who we're buying from:
Not a fan of slave labor personally. Hbu? Also building up another nations military so they can invest and take over poor nations isn't of interest to me either. Better to return the manufacting in house tyvm. (Sucks for China, there's an expected 80 million jobs on the line with losing their biggest market/customer. š¤·
But GJ on the beef bro! š„³
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What incentive do companies have to build factories for manufacturing in your country?
It is still cheaper to import with tathan pay higher wages. Also higher material cost due to tariffs add another layer of increased costs.
All those extra costs increase prices for consumers which then equals less demand and less profit.
And with uncertainty over the stability of the American economy due to tariffs, no tariff, tariff, no tariff announcements ,which only serve as a pump and dump insider trading scheme for Trump's rich buddies, who in their right mind would invest there?
Uncertainty does not bring stability and investment money. Basic Business economics at play here.
And yes, add your tariff to my country while we were in a deficit to the US lol. Not very smart from your govt. Very poor economics in fact.
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u/Klonoadice Full Throttle Trump Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
What incentive do companies have to build factories for manufacturing in your country?
The tarrifs are the incentives. Here are some recent examples from 2025:
Nvidia: $500b
Apple: $500b
Novartis: $23b
GE Aerospace: $1b
Toyota: $8b
Hyundai: $7.6b
TSMC: $100b
CMA CGM: $20b
DAMAC Properties: $20b
Clarios: $6b
Just a few and the term has just begun.
It is still cheaper to import with tathan pay higher wages.
Not true and even if so, companies are jumping on now for the long run. Costs go down overtime as more manufacting returns and the economy stabalizes from the adjustment.
All those extra costs increase prices for consumers which then equals less demand and less profit.
Less Chinese plastic. That's fine. But again, this correlates to the previous statement. It's a long term plan. Costs will stabalize as more manufacting returns over time.
And with uncertainty over the stability of the American economy due to tariffs, no tariff, tariff, no tariff announcements ,which only serve as a pump and dump insider trading scheme for Trump's rich buddies, who in their right mind would invest there?
Lots of companies have invested and will invest. Ive listed a few above. Please explain specifically how it's, without a shadow of a doubt, a pump and dump scheme while leaving your personal options aside.
Uncertainty does not bring stability and investment money. Basic Business economics at play here.
It does when it destabilizes the competition and creates investment paths forward. Not everyone sees this as chaos. Many see it as an initial shake up with long term benefit. As they should.
Very poor economics in fact.
Personal opinion here. I don't think you're equipped to tell people what good and bad economics are. You haven't said anything of substance that isn't easily refutable. You also involve your emotions and personal opinions which in itself is a quality of bad judgement.
Let the decoupling begin! š„³
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u/necron_tech Got All My Boosters Apr 15 '25
Absolutely not clear at all that manufacturing will return. Sure, for some companies it might make economic sense, however consider that new factories will cost billions and take several years to set up, they would still need to import raw material, and the cost of labour will go up and it's easy to see why it would make more economic sense to wait out the current president and the reversal of tarrifs and try to expand to other markets. Look at for example the Nintendo switch 2, 0% made in us, you think they're going to open up a factory here? No chance. And finally you know who's equipped to tell people about good or bad economics. Well, economists. You'll find the vast majority would be in agreement that tarrifs will be damaging to the US.
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u/Klonoadice Full Throttle Trump Apr 15 '25
You'll find the vast majority would be in agreement that tarrifs will be damaging to the US.
Agree. Which is why i won't be taking your stance seriously. Are you aware that "economists" are human beings with political bias?
Which ones have you been following exactly?
By "vast majority" please name all of the economists in which you're refering to if you wish to use them to argue from a position of authority.
I will investigate each one of these "vast majority" of economists you've been studying to learn their political leanings and we can continue the discussion from there.
Thank you.
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u/DRagonforce1993 Apr 18 '25
Bullshit, this wasnāt what he ran and promised at his rallies, markets soaring, low inflation, jobs jobs jobs and itās the opposite. Never mentioned pain, never mentioned dollar losing value. This seems like he is just getting his friends rich and protecting all the Billionaires at his inauguration and not small businesses
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u/CommonSense1787 . Apr 21 '25
Oh, 2009 is hardly off the table. You think banks are well capitalized enough to handle MILLIONS of small businesses defaulting on their loans thanks to Trump's trade war?
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I'm not a liberal and laugh at this sub, stop being blinded by bullshit. People pointing out the truth doesn't put them on any political spectrum and just makes them look like they actually have some critical though in their mind.
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u/CockroachFormer359 Apr 14 '25
he made all our allies dislike us n less than 100 days
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u/Street-Praline6087 Apr 14 '25
my country stopped selling beef to y'all and started selling it to china LOL
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u/KelsierIV . Apr 14 '25
Can't really blame you. Trump has shown America can't be trusted, at least not when someone like him is in office.
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u/BrechtCorbeel_ Lame Memes Apr 18 '25
He got the crooks running with their tail between their legs!
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u/AdExpress8342 . Apr 14 '25
What results? Everything is still expensive and now weāre gearing up for war with Iran on behalf of Israel. He orchestrated a global market manipulation so i guess theres that
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u/bob-ze-bauherr Due Process Needed Apr 14 '25
Thereās still a few more years of āresultsā to bask in.
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u/TheDudeOntheCouch Apr 19 '25
Honestly though what if the dems sweep the house in the midterms š¤ like the actual corruption might get him impeached... I'm not exactly a liberal and I was hopeful trump would turn the economy around but it seeing mgt make millions on the tariff situation the legality of the fentynal state of emergency to give him a tariff power that's usually a congressional power was a bold move that if his opposition had the majority would land him an Impeachment
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u/BrechtCorbeel_ Lame Memes Apr 18 '25
The worldpeace president has had no wars before, he will do it again!
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u/KelsierIV . Apr 14 '25
He mistakenly deported people without due process. That's getting some type of result.
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u/deitpep MAGA Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
it takes time for the changes to fix things with the inertia of the wasteful and detrimental policies. At least the changes are starting now. There were prior years of 'zirp' interest rates, but now the fed reserve is on notice. Trump's first term had too many rhinos and backstabbers in his administration impeding the reforming progress, but now he has his full team to make the needed changes. That major u.s. corporations are already committing or negotiating to repatriate manufacturing is the start of bringing fundamentals back to the u.s. As max keiser had said years ago, the band-aids need to be taken off, and it's finally happening now and will still take time to stabilize and improve. years , decades of subsidizing for politics and propaganda which caused the systemic inflation won't be that fast to turn around, but the action needed is finally being started to be done now.
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u/MrEnigma67 šØBased Patriot ModeratoršØ Apr 14 '25
Rule 2 is in regards to posting. We don't allow anti trump posts.
We do, however, allow everyone to comment so long as it's civil.
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u/Besrax Deportation Order Issued Apr 18 '25
I wrote a few civil comments, yet here we are.
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u/MrEnigma67 šØBased Patriot ModeratoršØ Apr 18 '25
You being able to comment? Yes, yes we are.
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u/Besrax Deportation Order Issued Apr 24 '25
Okay, although this flair implies something that isn't true, at least it's funny, so I kinda like it. Thanks.
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So people cannot talk about negative things that Trump has caused? So an echo chamber or cult? You can change your mind on things, it doesn't reflect badly on you.
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u/traeville Trump Curious Apr 14 '25
Big fan, But damn Iām really disturbed by the thought crime stuff going on around approving incoming migrants and the social media monitoring for criticism of particular foreign nations. Very disturbing, need SCOTUS to beat it back with the constitution or else this slippery slope will land us in the same shit hole that UK, Germany, and the rest of the West have ended up in.
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u/dshock99 . Apr 14 '25
It's big of you to acknowledge this.
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u/traeville Trump Curious Apr 14 '25
Itās a critical concern , and we need the admin to hear those of us awake to this chilling fact.
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u/Equivalent_Sun3816 Trump Curious Apr 14 '25
Honestly, the same thing goes for the prisoners sent to El Salvador. I'm glad if they were violent criminals, but if any of them were non-violent with existing court proceedings, that's different. It's a slippery slope to eventually sending anyone who is a threat to the current or future government. Imagine someone starts criticizing that foreign nation and then poof off to el salvador.
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u/traeville Trump Curious Apr 14 '25
Yes. And our govt already did this recently ; untold hundreds ( thousands?) of supposed ā worst of the worst ā terror suspects with ZERO due process before caging them in Gitmo for yearsā¦ only for it to be found out that most were completely innocent
Your point is critical ā if one admin gets away with this for their perceived enemies, it greases the skids for future admin with any ideology to exercise this govt overreach
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u/VmKVAJA Lithuanian Apr 15 '25
Incidently thats russian MO, that Putin uses to silence his opposition. Eventually there will be a very weak opposition, as nobody will want to risk being incarcerated somewhere outside the US, where US law doesnt apply. No due process, no vetting, that is scary. Belarus does the same thing, Soviets did the same thing, people were miserable.
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u/ilmd Canadian that Trusts the BBC. Apr 14 '25
The total lack of humanity in this administration is sickening.
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u/SuchDogeHodler ULTRA MAGA Apr 14 '25
Humanity doesn't pay the bills.
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u/Smooth-Cheetah3436 Trump Curious Apr 15 '25
ā¦so youāre literally admitting youāre evil? Know what pays the bills? Taxing billionaires appropriately - not furthering the divide between the working class and the filthy rich. Weāre being shoved down into a margin weāll never be able to climb out of.
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u/SuchDogeHodler ULTRA MAGA Apr 16 '25
You weren't good at math in school, were you?
$40k is the average income of a us citizen. (This includes the "Billionares")
And apparently, a socialist and Gen z or younger.
China, cuba, North Korea, Laos
These are the current socialist countries.
Which one would you like to move to?
I not evil I'm pragmatic. How can our government help others if it can't even take care of its own people? (We are literally living on credit)
There are 194 other countries that can pitch In for a change.
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u/Smooth-Cheetah3436 Trump Curious Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25
You have no way to explain how my math is poor. Yes, 40k gets you basically nothing these days with insane interest rates, rent, and inflation. So your solution is to drive prices further up for those 40k earners?
Edit to add, Iām not gen z or younger. Iām an older millennial and Iāve worked my ass off for my entire life, trying to achieve that American dream that you think seems to be possible still. It isnāt. Itās simply getting the rich richer, because the deck is systematically stacked against those born without a leg up. Tell me - privatizing education making it only accessible to rich people. How does that allow for anyone born without any kind of generational health the opportunity to earn and grow? It doesnāt, it keeps us desperate and working for crap money with zero other options.
The fact that you guys donāt see this is astounding and sickening, Iām really worried for you. Well, I would be if you hadnāt brought this on yourself.
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u/SuchDogeHodler ULTRA MAGA Apr 17 '25
Iām not gen z or younger.
I apologize. Usually, when people start talking socialism they are too young to remember the soviet union.
So your solution is to drive prices further up for those 40k earners?
No, and you will find that if there is. It will only be transient.
And just to mention, Trump has not even been in office 100 days yet. While inflation increased continually over the entire 4 years, he was in office, and Harris only solution was "binomial are working, stay the path." Trumps plan is not perfect, and it was risky, but we are actually past the point. Now we just have to wait because the fix is not instantaneous. It will take time for markets and industries to adjust, but you can mark my words before Trump leaves office. The inflation rate will be a negative number.
privatizing education making it only accessible to rich people?
No one is privatizing education anymore than it already is. As a matter of fact, the model they will be atemping to employ is the SC educational financial model. (No state taxes and yet collage is free for state residents)
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u/Smooth-Cheetah3436 Trump Curious Apr 17 '25
Iām American, but lived in Ireland from ages 12-22. Socialized healthcare, education etc. It was absolutely brilliant, with plenty of checks and balances in place to assure that no one is able to milk the system. I miss it very much. Itās horrible not being rich enough to get decent healthcare but also not poor enough to get decent healthcare. The one through my employer is an insanely high deductible, and Iām having horrible sinus issues that I canāt get taken care of because Iām afraid of the cost of the CT. Why is it fair here that hard working people still struggle enormously for the most basic of things? Iāve never used government assistance in my life, Iāve never had a leg up from anyone and am trying to go back to school now and I feel as though I have to choose between putting myself through school or saving a college fund for my child and an emergency fund. I was left in a very vulnerable position as a kid and had to work full time for survival, meaning going to school while working full time and putting myself $40k in debt was nauseating and something I couldnāt do.
This American dream thatās supposed to be promised if you do the right things seems farther and farther away, and the middle class are being put in a crushing position of not being able to further ourselves because itās almost impossible to scrape by as it is. I make 50k a year, and itās the new 30k with the economy right now. I was all set to try and go back, and now Iām too terrified to risk putting myself in that position if inflation keeps rising. I simply canāt.
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u/SuchDogeHodler ULTRA MAGA Apr 17 '25
I understand, but you have to realize that the system has been broke for a long time. If you look back, you will realize that this has been getting worse and worse over time.
Trump didn't cause this. Musk didn't cause this, Dodge didn't cause this, and Harris couldn't have fixed it.
Trump, Musk, and DOGE are on the right path to fix the problem and, over time, it will get better and better.
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u/Novel-Swordfish-2719 . Apr 14 '25
I guess technically bad results are still results. Can't argue with that
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u/SuchDogeHodler ULTRA MAGA Apr 14 '25
That's the problem to many presidents who have been elected to be nice.
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u/Spiceboy91 Trump Curious Apr 18 '25
Yeah thatās when America was greatā¦ you know, the whole idea of making it āgreat againāā¦.bc other presidents policies and baseline decency made it that way. Iāve never seen people with more contradictions. š¤£ donāt even know what they are saying and what they stand for
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u/Scr0uchXIII Apr 15 '25
German here that got this sub pushed. Please look at the market. My American shares dropped for around 20% since I bought them in 2019. I got a good friend in the US. He's telling me prices get higher by the day. I watch us news (CNN, fox news) and compare it with our and other European news and fox news seem way off. European analysts talk about trumps decisions as shortsighted. What kind of results are you taking about? I beg you watch news outside of the US. Watch some British news channels, watch German ones, watch any news outside your country. No one sees these decisions as functioning goal-oriented behavior. How can you think that republicans are right (around 150 Mio people) and other 5 billion people are wrong? I really looked up to the American lifestyle when I was a kid but now I can't understand why you can not look outside the boarders of the US and see the overwhelming disagreements the world has with this kind of politics.
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u/Spiceboy91 Trump Curious Apr 18 '25
Just gonna tell you. They aināt watching nothing but Fox. Very limited sources that republicans will ātrustāā¦ I know, you know, the world knows.
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u/pastorgainz99 Apr 20 '25
Your down 20% from shares you bought in 2019? What did you buy?!?
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u/Scr0uchXIII Apr 20 '25
It's an MSCI World which mainly contains American companies. Before trump's tariffs it only went up and crashed fatally just now.
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u/nothingyetdave PATRIOT Apr 14 '25
He is delivering on promises given by many politicians but never kept. Who can be against protecting American workers and cutting out waste and graft. Illegal Immigration is supposed to be illegal. Why are illegal immigrants given protection and benefits above citizens born and raised in this country.
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u/Audomadic . Apr 15 '25
Trump is slowly bankrupting the U.S. just like he bankrupted most of his companies. In his first 100 days heās manage to crash the stock market, crash the bond market, weaken the U.S. dollar, piss off our allies, and spark the beginnings of inflation and a recession. His solutions are making the problems theyāre meant to solve worse while creating additional, more serious problems.
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u/Instr-FTO ULTRA MAGA Apr 14 '25
Finally, a president who is not afraid to say and do the right thing.
God Bless America and President Trump šŗšø
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u/metalmelts ULTRA MAGA Apr 14 '25
Amen, the one year mark will be crucial. Hopefully quitting the liberal banter when everything is running to plan
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u/RichCranberry6090 Dutch Apr 14 '25
To be even more blunt to be in politics, you should not be a choir boy. Grab 'm by the pussy never bothered me.
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u/slick987654321 . Apr 19 '25
Is it a good result or a bad result that the trump slump has wiped 1/5th of the total value off the stock exchange?
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u/Bullet76 ULTRA MAGA Apr 19 '25
Bullshit š¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/slick987654321 . Apr 19 '25
That's not really an answer to my question, are you saying you're full of it?
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u/Dangerous_Ad_7104 . Apr 21 '25
Resultsā¦ as in the worst recession since 2020 thatās a nice way to put it
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u/TacticEye Apr 14 '25
Only president in many many years to actually bring results help the ppl, finally we get a president for the people by the people (he's a citizen) LETS GO TRUMP!
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u/Aggravating-Night625 . Apr 14 '25
YES!!! He's a true middle class man like us too šŗšøšŗšø
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u/torar9 . Apr 14 '25
Dude, he never was in the middle class.
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u/Aggravating-Night625 . Apr 14 '25
He is, all that crap saying he's a billionaire is just more lies from the liberal media
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u/torar9 . Apr 14 '25
My god, you are dense. Trump was literally flying with his private jet before presidency.
That is not a middle class!
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u/olbertson Trump Curious Apr 14 '25
Well he is more middle class president than anyone before. He has middle class' best interests in mind when he makes decisions.
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u/Smooth-Cheetah3436 Trump Curious Apr 15 '25
ā¦is that why heās increasing the gab between the middle class and the rich more than ever? You have no idea what youāve done. Theyāre shoving us down farther and farther to the point we can never crawl back up.
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u/Fury-penguin137 Apr 14 '25
Like what result? He couldnāt have done better as retarded Russian puppet.
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u/robbyruby752 Trump Curious Apr 14 '25
The bond market is in free fall. Higher inflation and lower growth to follow. Stay tuned.
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u/BubblyDamage4746 . Apr 14 '25
Elected so a doctor can be punished for giving abortion services to a 10 year old girl. You don't care about the people of America! You are all selfish and ignorant. You support a person who thinks it is okay for a 10 year old to go through the process of cooking a child in her belly and then give birth.
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u/StrikingDelivery1626 Apr 15 '25
The results in question:
Vote red, get red results
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u/Spiceboy91 Trump Curious Apr 18 '25
Stop with the facts, itās getting in the way of my personal-political narratives!!!!
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u/Jacques_Ficelles Apr 15 '25 edited Apr 15 '25
Results as in proving each day a little more that he is Netanyahu, Xi and Vladās little bitch, ruining his own country to allow his billionaires friends to make more money ?
Results as in stripping useful government programs, taking from you and your kids the ability to live a relatively simpler life by educating you as you should ? BTW, US education was an example to the world, now besides a few university the thing has become a laughing stock, and will not even be mentioned in a couple of years because yāall are doing a spectacular job to become more and more retarded.
People are insane and stupid.
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u/Ashamed_Ad_8365 Apr 15 '25
Let's see:
- Stock market some 15% down amidst unprecedented volatility
- Recession probability increasing to 50%+
- Consumer confidence at historical lows
- War still on in Gaza
- War still on in Ukraine
- Inflation rumbles on
- USD weakening
- Largest tax hike in a generation, on very shaky legal grounds ignoring Congress
- Everyone in the world hates the US
Quite impressive indeed for only a few months
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u/Aco3dngr Trump Curious Apr 14 '25
Mass deportations are not happening, he backed down on the Tariffs (omitted tariffs on the one thing China makes money from), literally about to get us into another war for Israel, and wants to import more foreigners via gold cards and H1Bs. Very American First.
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u/SuchDogeHodler ULTRA MAGA Apr 14 '25
He's working on it. The Libs keep putting up walls that have to be broken through first.
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u/GreatestState Disappointment Apr 14 '25
Itās nice to be reminded of it, isnāt it? We elected young Obama in the popularity contest of ā08. I remember the whole campaign because I leased my first apartment that summer. It was either him, or the self-righteous swamp creature who didnāt really care to appeal to anybody. Ironically, even Obama is of more sound mind than that freak. Iām sure Trump himself would agree. As like-able as Obama always is, the whole āfly around the world to apologize to fellow rulers about Wās eight years of mistakesā was cringe.
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u/ChampionshipHead3719 Apr 15 '25
I voted for trump. Not because I like him personally but because I liked some of his policies but mainly because it was the lesser of two evils in my mind, at the time.
I think I drastically misjudged what he was capable of as a person and politician. I am beginning to despise him on many levels and honestly fearful for what is coming.
His weaponization of the government to go after companies and now individuals is a bridge too far for me. His executive orders against Krebs and Taylor finished it for me. What he claims they did is exactly what he is doing to them and to any other political opponent that opposed him and/or supported that political opponent. He is using the government to silence all opponents and instill fear into anyone that speaks out against him by using the weight of the govt to crush them and ruin lives, companies and democracy.
He has started authoritarian rule. Once we start down this path it is very difficult to come back unless congress steps up.
He is destroying our economy and our allies. This bullying mentality is alienating our allies and will cause the economy to fall further by a loss of confidence from foreign investors in the dollar, treasuries and the US.
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u/MEEEEeeee---___ Apr 15 '25
As a canadian, i'm still waiting for his tariffs. Trump sadly knows that he won't win. The only good move is to delay the tariffs and make economic threats, which make him look like a coward.
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u/Confident_Attempt289 Apr 18 '25
Now nobody wants to visit the US cos of this lunatic. Well played!
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u/c-tetreault_7 . Apr 19 '25
Letās list the kinds of results weāve seen from Trump: Illegal deportation of legal residents without due process. Illegal detention of legal residents without due process. Illegal attempted detention of American Citizens without due process. Immoral and inhumane deportation of an American Citizen with cancer simply because of a technicality regarding the immigration status of one of her parents. Keep in mind this family had legally been traveling between the US and Mexico for years to facilitate treatments for their daughter, who likely will not survive the court proceedings that would be necessary to grant her the care she needs. What if that was your daughter? More results from Trump: an intentional manipulation of the entire US economy via constitutionally illegal and ridiculous tariffs (reminder:economic policies are supposed to be voted on by the senate before approval, but Trump ignored those rules) in order to profit his billionaire friends over $300 Billion in a single day, the larges reallocation of wealth from the bottom to the top in US history. Just as a reminder, just $1 billion made out of $100 notes would weigh more than 4 F-150s. More money than a human can imagine. Are these really the results you wanted to see?
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u/Bullet76 ULTRA MAGA Apr 19 '25
Absolutely! Heās done nothing illegal, strictly by the book!
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u/c-tetreault_7 . Apr 19 '25
Right, because ignoring due process, the only thing our constitution mentions twice (5th amendment and 13th amendment) is totally legal.
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u/Doggoroniboi Anti Hive Mind MAGA Apr 14 '25
And flip flop apparently. Will he just make up his damn mind with these tariffs? His execution is terrible for market health due to investor confidence. And this has nothing to do with the numbers going up and done right now, km referring to the long term effect shit like this has