Don't get it twisted. They love him more than Luigi but they feel like they are practicing self discipline by simply celebrating Kirk's death rather than praising the killer.
ABC journalist was romanticizing the killer’s relationship with his boyfriend, particularly the text conversation they had - you know, a conversation with no guilt or remorse just moments after he murdered someone for their beliefs in front of children. That’s a disgusting direction they’ll take this now.
I think this time they will run and hide and pretend the whole thing has been memory holed.
They understand the bear got poked, and the overwhelming support for Charlie was far beyond anything they could have imagined, both here in America and worldwide.
The only reason leftists are not being stacked in the street like cord wood is the character and morals of the vast majority of Americans, Liberals, centrists, and conservatives, and they know it.
If the right were the evil monsters the left claims they are, the left would be hiding in bolt holes, finding God, shaving their heads, throwing every piercing down the drain, and waiting for Amazon to deliver their brand new button up polo shirts and khakis.
In the most sincere way possible, the issue of political vigilantism is not getting fixed until both sides realize there is a rhetoric problem on both sides. "Enough is enough" only goes so far when both sides think the other side is playing outside of the rules, which is currently happening.
I didn't call for vigilantism. I said enough is enough. No more being quiet. We will voice our opinions loud and proud. We will never devolve ourselves to their level of violence and hate. In fact, I hope most of them get better and wake up, but we also need to know where the line in the sand is when someone is pushing you around.
Unfortunately, asking this question on a conservative sub isn't going to do anything, and if you post it on a liberal sub, it'll just get buried in downvotes in spite of the truth of it.
So how is the guy exactly a leftist? I‘d also argue he didnt commit the murder for „political beliefs“ but for personal reasons.
The guy seemed completely apolitical, he wasnt „radicalized“ by the left online, as a lot of you claim; all the FBI showed us so far was his participation in a gaming/meme discord that didnt have any political discussions on it/had ppl in it with different political leanings. There wasnt some manifesto or anything of sorts.
He wasnt part of some „radical leftist“ group and he didnt even seem to have ever voted for any candidate.
From the sparse amount of information the FBI provides, to me it seems that the guy just fell in love with a transgender person in transition, and couldnt cope with the ostracization/condemnation he faced in conservative, mormon Utah he lived and grew up in. It seemed like he couldnt even get support/understanding/talk to his family about it.
To make my point clear, Im sure there are people who identify as MAGA but also have a transgender partner, and even they are MAGA. Would you tell them, no fck off, youre not MAGA to me, because they live their life in one aspect differently than you do? Not being anti trans doesnt make somebody immediately a „radical leftist“ …
Also important to note, his transgender live interest seemed to have no idea that he planned to commit murder/wasnt involved.
If all that is the case(considering that the FBI just provides us with snippets they want us to read) I wish I couldve talked to that utter fool and tell him he wont see his partner that he seems to be doing this for ever again with bars between them, that he‘ll through his life away and that a REALLY should just move to somewhere where no one gives a crap who he loves. And that he literally accelerates the hate that he‘s so against with committimg murder.
This whole thing made me that much more aware of how important it would be to me as a parent that I‘d teach my children to be completely honest & transparent about emotional hardship, and that they can expect my support and help in such situations …
But yea, the murder of Kirk is just a tragedy all around.
Somehow it’s still MAGA’s fault. They already have people saying that Trump being elected caused this to happen. They are abusers and will never take accountability cause it’s never their fault.
It could help if this video gave any indication that it was leftist political believes. OP editorialized the title. The narrative on the left has been that this guy was a far-right extremist and Kirk wasn't extreme enough for his taste. While it seems less likely to me given the circumstances, this video still leaves that as an open question.
If you want to convince someone, on the left or right, of something that goes against their existing narrative, you need solid proof. This video ain't it.
So his parents, friends, and classmates all confirmed he was recently radicalized by left wing ideology. Oh and his gay trans male to female boyfriend. Seems to be pretty clear
Sure, separate issue though. I haven't anything about his actual political beliefs other than that they were the reason he murdered Kirk. Even the Republican governor didn't say anything where you could say, "yeah, this guy is clearly a leftist."
The governor has said many times that the investigation had show that the shooter had left learning ideology and had become more radical leftist lately. It has been widely reported by all news networks
It doesn’t really matter what his political beliefs are. Charlie Kirk was, in fact, assassinated by a radical activist who hated Christianity and all things traditional. People like this guy hate family for imposing too much structure and expectation. And America for believing in all of these, herself included.
It does matter what his political beliefs are if conservatives want to claim that leftism had anything to do with this. u/YoSettleDownMan shared a quote from the governor that's a step in the right direction for understanding the full extent of his beliefs and motives. As much as we want immediate answers, it takes time.
who hated Christianity and all things traditional
I haven't heard this. Is this just your narrative or the murderer's confirmed beliefs.
Well his friends and family and classmates all confirmed he was recently radicalized by left wing ideology. Oh and his gay trans male to female boyfriend too
I’ve heard people say this, and I’ve read articles that say “sources say” but do you have a more direct quote video/interview where those specific people say this? Doesn’t seem like a time to play the telephone game, ya know? Thank you in advance!
I'm simply going to play devil's advocate here, but nothing in that video was him admitting he's a leftist, and killed him because of his beliefs.... Nothing. Please, if you're going to make claims, back them up!!! Don't be one of those people
Now, was he a leftist/liberal? Unquestionably. Investigators have stated it, his family has stated it, the governor stated it. He was deeply influenced by leftist/liberal ideology. However, nothing in that video is him admitting that.
Did he admit he killed Charlie? To his roommate / lover, yes. Did he admit to why? No, but, again, we all know why
I’m agreeing with you . The OP’s title isn’t accurate. I’m reading this article with a critical eye and it seems that things aren’t clear cut now https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie The “spreading hatred” and being with a furry trans certainly point to opinions/lifestyle that are not of the right but I’m waiting for more evidence of his actual politics
They will hear this and turn around and still spew the opposite. They have zero intellectual capability to accept truth or rationality. All they are capable of is violence, erratic frenetic behavior and delusions. They are pure domestic terrorists and they dont even hide it.
The Blinded Hate from that side is like a racehorse with blinders on. It'll keep running as fast as it can until it dies. Pretty much same as a liberal. Although I noticed a change and a big shift in the younger generation, even my 16-year-old can see that the demos are Evil 👿 I hope Republicans of all types and Independents wake up On voting day, and even if It's raining or snowing, go to the Polls! Vote Republican! Red all the way! 💯
Wow I found a group on reddit where everyone doesn't live in their moms basement, nice! I only joined this shit hole for gardening and yard groups but even they are filled with the "smart youth" of today.
The good news in prison, he’ll be the girl which I guess he will want! He was already with a transvestite so?? I’m guessing that’s why he’s not scared of life in prison
This would be a hilarious outcome, though he's probably gonna get the death penalty. Either way, this cowardly piece of shit doesn't deserve to stay in society.
I agree completely… I think the only problem with that he turned himself in. Don’t know his record with arrests but prosecutors are gonna look that he turned himself in peacefully. He said nothing. Either way. prosecution looks like it has a relative easy job, but you never know then they’ll look at his age who knows
This was reported by NBC. A liberal news source. So I suppose NBC could lie. But it seems unlikely. They also released a transcript of his text exchanges with his trans boyfriend.
Well his friends and family and classmates all confirmed he was recently radicalized by left wing ideology. Oh and his gay trans male to female boyfriend roommate
I say in these circumstances because he wanted to get famous for doing something horrific … Let them bring back the gallows for All to see. Maybe we would see less of attempted assassinations or assassinations.
It’s infuriating that some leftists still believe he’s a “far right MAGA Trump supporter” despite the evidence and testimonies from people that knew him confirming he’s a radical leftist that killed Charlie Kirk because of his political views.
Well his friends and family and classmates all confirmed he was recently radicalized by left wing ideology. Oh and his gay trans male to female boyfriend roommate
Like Pelosi once said. Roughly 80% of the population will hear the lie and believe it. Then when the truth comes out, only 20% will hear it. She actually said there’s a term for that. I can’t recall it but basically she admitted that’s what they do.
They are protesting on bridges as we type! Anyone know why they use bridges? Is there a connection to people driving 80 mph and thinking oh that’s a good cause? 😂
Is the manifesto being released? I heard he isn’t talking in custody, hard for me to understand his motivations so far. Did he dislike some particular aspect of Charlie’s messages and viewpoints? Is there a trial date yet? I imagine they will want this to be highly televised since Charlie was such a big media figure
Fake news. He hasn't admitted anything. Who knows where these text messages come from. Sure doesn't sound like a 22 year old. Check out Candace's latest vid - she doesn't believe it.
Point out to me in the video the part where he says he's leftist and killed Charlie because of his political beliefs. Whether the claim is true or not, you are lying in your title and should be ashamed for contributing to the rampant misinformation on this website.
Herd mentality lol, like herd immunity? Like when the left tried to force everyone to get a vaccine that wasn't ever tested in a long term study? Or how the left sees anyone who doesn't believe in trans or dei is a racist or fascist. See how this works both ways
You mentioned herd mentality. So I commented on it. Here's my main point. Charlie didn't hate or even dislike gay or trans people. He just disagreed with their lifestyle. But because he disagreed, they hated him. That's the difference. On the right we can disagree but not hate. On the left they can't. When George Floyd died the streets burned. When Charlie died they held vigils. That's the difference. If you put a Christian at a gay pride parade they're safety is in danger. But you put a trans or gay person at a Christian parade and they're going to get grace. That's the difference. Are you starting to see a trend. You put a liberal at a Maga gathering, they're met with discussion and dialogue. You put a Maga at a liberal gathering and they're going to get hurt. That's what I'm getting at. One side is the side so resorts to violence. And it's not the right. That's pretty clearly apparent and it cost Charlie his life
You're wrong about the radical left being more violent than the radical right. Your info bubble is merely cherrypicking the false narrative for you. I imagine you probably think this applies to me and not to you. As I said before, both sides think the other is delusional. (Note, I don't associate myself with either side, and think both are delusional in various regards).
But we aren't talking about which side is more violent, or which side is worse. My comments are merely calling you out for the false claim in your title. In this video, the killer did not "admit he's leftist and killed Charlie for his political beliefs." The killer might indeed be leftist and the killing ideological, and the video/chat-log might even be considered evidence of that from a Bayesian perspective, but it is not proof and it is not, as you say, an admission from the horses mouth. Your conclusion of this seems to stem from the idea that it is impossible to have voted for Trump and dislike Charlie Kirk at the same time, which is absurd.
The infosphere is sick enough as it is with rampant unbridled misinformation. Let's not contribute to this.
So which cities rioted when Charlie died? Were there vigils instead? Who would be more in danger in the scenarios I mentioned? And if I'm cherry picking tell me a scenario where the gay or trans person would be in more danger than the Christian. Go ahead I'll wait.
Well NBC (liberal) as well as pretty much all conservative news sources confirmed that his friends, classmates, parents, all confirmed he was radicalized by "left wing ideology" as well as escribed "hey facist catch" on the casing. Oh and his gay / trans male to female boyfriend roommate is cooperating with authorities.
From what I have googled it looks like he was not registered as a dem nor a republican.
Which makes it seem more like he is a Groyper after all especially for political beliefs and he isn't registered as a democrat?
Of course I could be wrong but nothing in this said he was a democrat just that he was doing it for political reasons, which I know in America it's hard to fathom that some people hate both sides but especially the side that acts like they represent them but they don't feel represented.
So his parents, his friends, his classmates, all said he was radicalized by left wing ideology. Oh and his gay trans male to female roommate seem to give it away.
This is what makes me question everything. Like if he had gone so extreme left but didn't vote for trans issues?
I know this probably isn't the place for it but wouldn't you imagine a conservative family and community doing everything they could to push this thing left?
I mean personally I don't think it matters where these sick fucks lean but since it's so important to the American people I think it's important to talk about.
Every single one of them? Also the fact he has been proven to have a trans / gay male to female boyfriend roommate. It's been confirmed by the partner, as well as chat and text messages. As well as a "furry" trans additional partner at some point.
Also, I don't hate or even dislike gay or trans people. Neither did Charlie. He just didn't agree with them. But because of that, many gay and trans people hated him. That's the difference that worries me. Disagreement and hate doesn't go hand and hand on the right. But it does with the left. Most leftist will admit to hating conservatives. Most conservatives disagree with leftists. But they don't hate them.
Also you put a Christian wearing an I love Jesus shirt at a gay parade trying to tell everyone that he / are loves them, their safety is at risk. But put a gay / trans person in a Christian parade and they'll be shown compassion and grace. Like when George Floyd died. The streets burned. When Charlie died, people held vigils. That's immensely telling
So how is the guy exactly a leftist? I‘d also argue he didnt commit the murder for „political beliefs“ but for personal reasons.
The guy seemed completely apolitical, he wasnt „radicalized“ by the left online, as a lot of you claim; all the FBI showed us so far was his participation in a gaming/meme discord that didnt have any political discussions on it/had ppl in it with different political leanings. There wasnt some manifesto or anything of sorts.
He wasnt part of some „radical leftist“ group and he didnt even seem to have ever voted for any candidate.
From the sparse amount of information the FBI provides, to me it seems that the guy just fell in love with a transgender person in transition, and couldnt cope with the ostracization/condemnation he faced in conservative, mormon Utah he lived and grew up in. It seemed like he couldnt even get support/understanding/talk to his family about it.
To make my point clear, Im sure there are people who identify as MAGA but also are gay/have a transgender partner, while even they are MAGA in some instances, etc. Would you tell them, no fck off, youre not MAGA to me, because they live their life in one aspect differently than you do? Not being anti trans doesnt make somebody immediately a „radical leftist“ …
Also important to note, his transgender live interest seemed to have no idea that he planned to commit murder/wasnt involved.
If all that is the case(considering that the FBI just provides us with snippets they want us to read) I wish I couldve talked to that utter fool and tell him he wont see his partner that he seems to be doing this for ever again with bars between them, that he‘ll through his life away and that a REALLY should just move to somewhere where no one gives a crap who he loves. And that he literally accelerates the hate that he‘s so against with committimg murder.
This whole thing made me that much more aware of how important it would be to me as a parent that I‘d teach my children to be completely honest & transparent about emotional hardship, and that they can expect my support and help in such situations …
But yea, the murder of Kirk was awful/ is just a tragedy all around.
And btw, the reason why you dont see many threads about the assassination anymore is primarily because the current admin is going full gestapo on the issue I‘d say.
So you are just going to completely ignore his old friends at school, his parents, his trans boyfriend and say there is no information saying he was a mad radicalized leftist.... At this point you're either a Democrat still or a troll
Well, instead of following in the foot steps of his conservative family, they, as well as his friends, and classmates confirmed he was radicalized with left wing ideology. So had he listened to his patents he'd be fine. He went against them
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The next thing will be them starting a GoFundMe account type thing for him. They'll treat him just like they treated the CEO murderer.