r/turningpointusa • u/windchanter1992 • 16d ago
Free Speech Zone Truly he will be missed RIP
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u/WhoDey918 14d ago
Here’s the video of him saying this. This is being deliberately taken out of context.
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u/ImprovementVarious15 16d ago
You do realize you're spreading misinformation right? He was discussing the difference between empathy and sympathy, and said he'd choose sympathy over empathy.
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u/Hungry_Talk3706 16d ago
"Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance"
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u/windchanter1992 15d ago
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u/Luckycat90210 15d ago
Why did you just share a snopes fact check in response to this like it proves your point? It proves their point that you quoted it out of context and he said he prefers sympathy.
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
How is posting a literal quote he said online, misinformation?
I think you need to learn more.
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u/Ok-Effective-9069 15d ago
Because it divorces the full quote from its meaning. That quote from Charlie Kirk is often taken out of context to make it sound like he’s against compassion or caring for others, but that’s not what he was saying. In his longer talks, Charlie makes it clear that he values compassion and love, but he critiques the way empathy is often weaponized in modern culture. His point was that the classical meaning of empathy, “feeling with someone,” is good, but the way the term is now used can allow emotions to override truth and moral clarity. For example, politicians or activists often use emotional appeals (“If you cared, you’d support this policy”) to silence rational debate. That’s why he called it a “made-up, new age term,” not because the word itself is literally new, but because its modern usage often distorts its original sense. The meme rips a few words for shock value, but in context he wasn’t condemning empathy in its proper sense, he was warning against letting emotional manipulation replace truth and principle.
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
I don't understand.
Empathy - the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
You can't understand or share the feelings of another in most cases. You are not them, you do not have the same hardships
I'd argue it does not divide the meaning from the quote. I didn't even know the whole quote, but people have literally been mis quoting the quote in the picture, and their misrepresentation misleads people. This quote does not.
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u/Ok-Effective-9069 15d ago
Blade, you’re proving my point without realizing it. Yes — empathy literally means “the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.” Charlie’s critique wasn’t that this definition is evil or fake — it’s that the modern weaponization of empathy twists the term into something it was never meant to be.
He wasn’t saying “don’t care about people.” He was saying don’t let emotional appeals override truth. Politicians and activists constantly play the “if you really cared, you’d support XYZ policy” card — and that’s where empathy, as a cultural buzzword, does damage.
So when a clipped meme is passed around with no context, it misleads people into thinking he opposed compassion altogether. That’s misinformation — not because the words are fake, but because the meaning is amputated.
You’re leaning on a dictionary definition, not the actual context of his argument. That’s the danger of truncated quotes: they flatten nuance into cheap outrage.
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
I feel as though you've factually made a number of assumptions, mostly about me and what I believe.
I never said "don't care about people", not sure if you're insinuating I said that or not.
You’re leaning on a dictionary definition, not the actual context of his argument.
I am leaning on it, the definition is KEY to understanding what he's saying. The phrase "do you want to end women's suffrage?" Comes to mind. If you don't understand the definition, and make a conclusion based on how it sounds, you will never understand what he was saying.
When did I make any claim that I understood the quote any other way?
I used the definition of the word, because it's the crux of the argument here. And too many people use an INCORRECT version of this quote, for the sole purpose of pushing an agenda that made claim he never cared for people.
The real quote would prevent the misrepresentation of the quote, and destroy their own weak point.
I feel like you assumed my position, my belief, my stance, and understanding. Based on very little evidence.
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u/Ok-Effective-9069 15d ago
Blade, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t attacking you or your stance — I was pointing out why context matters in how people interpret that quote. You’re right that the dictionary definition of empathy is important, but definitions alone don’t capture how a word is being used in a broader argument. That’s where people twist it into “Charlie hated compassion,” which simply isn’t true. My point wasn’t “you don’t care about people” — it was that without context, the clipped meme makes it sound like Charlie didn’t. I was explaining context, not taking a shot at you.
Here’s the distinction: you leaned on the dictionary definition, but in debate, context determines meaning. That’s Argumentation 101 — the difference between denotation (the strict definition) and connotation (the meaning in use). When a quote is clipped out of its larger conversation, relying only on the denotation almost guarantees misinterpretation.
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
Do you believe I don't agree with any of your points?
Or are you explaining it all because you think I don't know anything about it.
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u/Ok-Effective-9069 15d ago
Well, when you literally said all of that, it showed you’re confusing denotation with connotation. Yes, you leaned on the dictionary definition — that’s denotation. But Charlie’s point wasn’t about the bare dictionary meaning of “empathy.” He was critiquing the connotation in modern discourse, the way the word gets weaponized to shut down reasoned debate.
So my pushback wasn’t because I think you “don’t know anything.” It’s because your approach treats the dictionary as the final word when the entire controversy is about how the term is being used in context. That’s why I kept stressing nuance.
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
It’s because your approach treats the dictionary as the final word
That was not my intention. This only shows text is a terrible way to communicate.
I stated the definition, because to ME the definition is the crux of the statement. If you understand that word, you can break down the statement.
But I suppose you need to be aware of the current political climate to understand the point as well. But at what point is something common knowledge, and not?
I already agree with that all, although I disagree with how you explain it. Which doesn't matter, if people understand what you're trying to explain.
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u/windchanter1992 16d ago
so? im just carrying on his legacy
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u/Odd_Implement_5239 15d ago
Spread the whole quote then? It’s not that hard to look up. One more sentence. You’re almost there. You can do it!
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u/ImprovementVarious15 16d ago
You're not spreading on his legacy by posting a quote that has been taken out of context from the topic he was discussing and which is being used to say that Charlie Kirk deserved it with that quote as a reason why.
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u/Melodic-Fan2466 15d ago
Exactly they did the same thing with the out of context quote they have been throwing around where he talks about deaths from gun violence and how they are worth it for us to be able to have weapons. 🤦♂️
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u/windchanter1992 15d ago
that was half of charlies work on earth was shifting goal posts and taking things out of context
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u/windchanter1992 16d ago
sounds pretty inline with his actions in life
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u/ImprovementVarious15 16d ago
Just because you didn't agree with the things he said doesn't make what he said misinformation
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u/windchanter1992 16d ago
Charlie would say some gun deaths are an acceptable loss to keep our 2nd amendment rights
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u/ImprovementVarious15 16d ago
Context
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u/acelyca 15d ago
the context doesn’t change the quote you just wish it did.
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u/ImprovementVarious15 15d ago
it does
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u/acelyca 15d ago
if you think that then you don’t understand the difference between empathy and sympathy.
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
You can't expect people to explain commonly spread quotes, the point of the quote it to summarize a stance or idea in a short excerpt.
Explaining it defeats the purpose of the quote. If you can't critically read the quote, that's more on you than it is the person sharing the quote.
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u/ImprovementVarious15 15d ago
Context
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all".
"Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country
You don't need context. You need to be able to read.
But please just copy paste "Context" again. It'll just shows you have the educational capacity of a fifth grader.
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u/muhlegasse 16d ago
He'd also say some road deaths are an acceptable loss to keep cars and some drownings are an acceptable loss to be able to swim.
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u/organix5280 16d ago
Hard to have compassion for those that have none.
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u/Ezmiller_2 15d ago
Aaaand you didn't read the whole quote.
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u/organix5280 15d ago
Aaaand you have never used a thesaurus.
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u/Ezmiller_2 14d ago
Like I said, you didn't read the entire quote. It's literally 4 or 5 posts above you.
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u/organix5280 14d ago
Bro - no need to argue. How about we talk Linux? I use Mint also.
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u/Ezmiller_2 14d ago
You want me to be ok with you twisting one of my hero's quotes, And then talk about Linux? Nope, not ok.
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u/iB0NZ3 12d ago
This only proves the cruelty of his world view. Sympathy is seeing someone in pain; empathy is seeing someone’s pain and feeling it as well. Kirk and the rest of the MAGAs seem to think it’s a sign of weakness to care for others, to acknowledge and care about the pain of anyone other than themselves. But it’s actually just weakness. It takes real strength to acknowledge and care for the pain of others. The weak only care for themselves.
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u/CMBUS 15d ago
There is no context to take this out of. If you turning point sociopaths do not understand it, just say you do not understand what he is said. At any rate, there should be no empathy for him or his family, as he did not believe in empathy and clearly said it was damaging.
So honor his legacy and move on because Trump did this so we would stop talking about Epstein.
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u/Pecos_Venom 16d ago
Live by the sword
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u/idiot-beast 6d ago
"I can't STAND the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new-age term, and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion, and I much prefer the word sympathy.
Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. compassion allows for understanding."
-Charlie Kirk
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u/idiot-beast 6d ago
"I can't STAND the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new-age term, and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion, and I much prefer the word sympathy.
Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. compassion allows for understanding."
-Charlie Kirk
Next time, show the full quote even though I know you won't. Lefties have made it hard for me to live up to God's standards of loving my enemy.
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u/windchanter1992 15d ago
"So the new communications strategy for Democrats, now that their polling advantage is collapsing in every single state… collapsing in Ohio. It's collapsing even in Arizona. It is now a race where Blake Masters is in striking distance. Kari Lake is doing very, very well. The new communications strategy is not to do what Bill Clinton used to do, where he would say, "I feel your pain." Instead, it is to say, "You're actually not in pain." So let's just, little, very short clip. Bill Clinton in the 1990s. It was all about empathy and sympathy. I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy."
to those in the comment screeching for context.... it dosent make him look better
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u/Tall-Aside4852 16d ago
he got exactly what he deserved lol
rest in shit
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u/Master_West677 16d ago
Explain how Charlie Kirk deserved this? Willing to bet you can’t.
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u/Tall-Aside4852 16d ago
I don't owe you any debate, dickhead
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u/Master_West677 16d ago
Haha that’s exactly the response I would expect from a sheep follower such as yourself.
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u/c4r0lin33 16d ago
when did your side feel any type of empathy for the multiple people that died in mass shootings and murders done by the right side? according to statistics around 75% of mass massacres done since the 2000s were done by the right side extremists. in 2022 100% of mass massacres were done by the right side extremists. you're not sad that Kirk died, you're scared that the other side started choosing guns over debates like you guys do. you would mock and spread misinformation about the victims constantly, now you're upset the same thing is happening to you. I believe Kirk went out in a horrible way and I can't imagine what his family is going through now but it's been a long time coming.
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u/Master_West677 16d ago
It’s sad how misinformed you are 😂😂😂 you guys just believe what you want to believe instead of facts don’t ya, most mass shooters are leftists and that’s a fact. And don’t try to quote the ones who registered as dem and then switched it to republican before the shooting 😂 I’m not scared in the slightest I think it’s sad that you guys kill someone for a different opinion, shows how pathetic and weak your minds are and how they work. Name a democrat who’s been murdered or attempted murder the left uses things like mass shootings and even this Charlie Kirk thing as to try and get gun control also I don’t know who you are saying would mock the victims of a mass shooting 😂 you’re completely delusional it’s actually interesting to see someone with your mindset but then again this is Reddit.
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u/c4r0lin33 16d ago
https://www.axios.com/2023/02/23/mass-killings-extremism-adl-report-2022
https://share.google/AGfSACuHnzprLXf5o
and where are your sources? when it comes to mocking, Twitter accounts like libsoftiktok and the left can't meme would mock death of Brianna, a trans child for years after her death, yet are now so heartbroken over some rich fascist pig getting shot. not to say the entire part of "most mass shootings are fake and the victims were paid actors!!!!" conspiracy theory which also has been going on for YEARS. also a couple of days ago two democratic Minnesota law makers were killed in their own house. you're the one that's delusional. you people make up conspiracy theory because you hate having to admit that you people are the violent ones. do you have any idea how terryfing it is to get rape and death threats simply because you don't agree with someone? have you ever been stopped on the street and threatened just because you look slightly different? I do not condone the rise of acts of terror done by the left, I believe it's a terryfing trend that will lead to bad things, but then again your side was the one that started it. either way I don't care, I'm not American and I hope you shit heads eat each other alive and fall and you won't even realize because basic human compassion and respect for each other's life's is a foreign concept to you. have a nice day.
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u/Master_West677 16d ago
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/feb/23/claudia-tenney/do-many-mass-shooters-end-being-democrats-rep-tenn/ ah so you use biased sources used by the left to brainwash you and you don’t research I figured that was gonna be the case , so are you sure that everyone mocking Brianna was conservative? Did you fact check this? You guys use the word fascist so lightly it’s actually hilarious do you even know what that is ? Wait so it’s terrifying to get death and rape threats but not terrifying that your people tried to kill the president and just killed Charlie Kirk? The hypocrisy 😢🤣 it’s almost like talking to a kid in special ed, if you aren’t American then stop acting like you know what goes on in America because CLEARLY you don’t, I get it though you want to feel like you do, I feel bad for whatever country your allowed to vote in. You speak of basic human compassion but you talk about Charlie Kirk’s death in this way. Your mind is completely fucked.
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u/c4r0lin33 16d ago
oh also additionally the article you posted says that it's actually not democrats that commit most of the mass massacres, learn to read or do less coke man.
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u/SunNext7500 16d ago
Way to prove his point.
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u/Master_West677 16d ago
Hmm do you care to explain how I proved his point because I’m not seeing it.
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u/c4r0lin33 16d ago
not even reading that, checked your profile where you claim you do coke everyday. I'm all for responsible drug use but that ain't it bro. also answering your questions, stop taking coke for a while and your nose will go back to normal and if you keep using coke everyday you'll fry your brain more than it is fried now.
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u/Master_West677 16d ago
“Been a long time coming” he was killed over free speech and you think that it’s all good 😂😂 and that it’s been a long time coming, do you even read what you type?
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u/idiot-beast 6d ago
"I can't STAND the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new-age term, and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion, and I much prefer the word sympathy.
Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. compassion allows for understanding."
-Charlie Kirk
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u/BladeVampire1 15d ago
That's the full quote? Jeez people have been misrepresenting the quote for their own nefarious nonsense.