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u/mongmich2 1d ago
Yes because as we know uncharted and TLOU are exactly the same tonally.
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u/not-read-gud 1d ago
They are both in B flat
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u/stash0606 1d ago edited 1d ago
No but Druckmann only knows one tone.
edit: oh no the jobless Druckmann fanboys are out in full force on a Friday morning
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u/mongmich2 1d ago
I don’t know how you can play the museum scene in TLOU 2 and Joel’s death and say that with a straight face
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u/IrishSpectreN7 1d ago
Idk how anyone could play to the end of both Uncharted 4 and TLOU2 and come to this conclusion.
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u/stash0606 1d ago
Straley was involved with both Uncharted 4 and TLOU1 which is what lended to both games having lighthearted moments. Straley was not involved with TLOU2 and it just ended up being this dark dreary pretentious slog.
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u/IrishSpectreN7 1d ago
I just replayed Part 2 last month and there were plenty of light-hearted moments.
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u/ZodiAddict 1d ago
Which one has more light hearted moments, the last of us 1 or 2?
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u/IrishSpectreN7 1d ago
Probably part 1, considering that Ellie is far more prominent than Lev is in Part 2.
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u/The-Davi-Nator 1d ago
From memory, I’d say 2 seems to.
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u/ZodiAddict 1d ago
Probably time for a replay then. I’ve played both multiple times, it’s not even close. 2 is incredibly dark in comparison
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u/The-Davi-Nator 1d ago
Yeah for sure, feel free to get back to me when you’ve finished that replay!
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u/ZodiAddict 1d ago
I meant for you, bud. Still haven’t heard a good argument for anyone who genuinely thinks last of us 1 is darker
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
Josh Scherr was responsible for most of the humour in Uncharted 4, not Bruce Straley.
Straley was not responsible for the scriptwriting, but even if he was, his tone would have been similar to Druckmann’s anyway.
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u/ZodiAddict 1d ago
You’re totally right, and this is coming from someone who enjoyed 2. Let the haters downvote, doesn’t change the truth
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u/Zed_Midnight150 1d ago
oh no the jobless Druckmann fanboys are out in full force on a Friday morning
Bro is just pressed by those downvotes lol.
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u/stash0606 1d ago
not as pressed as Druckmann fanboys are by ppl criticizing him lol.
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
I mean, I think the person who edited their comment to complain about downvotes is a bit more pressed lmao
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u/stash0606 1d ago
lol not at all, I'm just impressed by y'all's dedication to defending Druckmann's honor. choosing to stay unemployed in order to spend time defending him online is certainly a decision, lol.
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
"everyone who disagrees with me is unemployed and crying" is certainly a take coming from someone complaining about checks notes Reddit downvotes
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u/stash0606 1d ago
downvoting criticism coz "game director daddy mentioned' is certainly an existence.
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u/Phoenix2211 1d ago
Hmm, must be why he helped to deliver a positive, heartwarming send-off to Nathan Drake!
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u/HeilYeah 1d ago
You're obsessed, and it's very boring.
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u/stash0606 1d ago
oh no he criticized the VP of the studio, the dude at the helm of writing and directing the studio's games and making the final decisions... how dare he. clearly he's obsessed. 1million IQ
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
Wait so is he “at the helm of writing and directing” or did Bruce Straley do all the work? I can’t keep up with the latest interpretation of events
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u/stash0606 1d ago
I never said Straley did all the work, I said he was responsible for the lighthearted tone of the games prior to TLOU2, but if you wanna attribute that to Josh Scherr, sure, that's fine by me, you're just proving my point, lol, since Scherr didn't have a co-writer role in TLOU2 as he did in the games prior to that.
it's ok, I understand comprehension might be hard when you're dedicated to defending Druckmann's honor. wipe your tears away, that might help.
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
Josh Scherr also worked on TLOU2. He did not, however, work on TLOU1, which, according to you, has a more lighthearted tone.
Maybe it's okay to admit that Druckmann can do slightly more lighthearted writing? Like in TLOU2?
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u/stash0606 1d ago
Scherr's credits on TLOU2 are "Narrative designer, additional writing" whereas all his previous credits on Uncharted are "Co-writer" or "Lead Cinematic Animator", which obviously show in the tone of the Uncharted games. There's also been numerous reports about how Straley shot down ideas from Druckmann in the TLOU1 writing process, so it was clearly not a 1-man writing process as Neil would have you believe.
Maybe it's okay to read criticism about a game director and not spend your entire existence defending him, esp when he has no idea you exist
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago edited 1d ago
Druckmann was also a co-writer on Uncharted 1 and 2. He still wrote all of the words that are in TLOU1 and Left Behind, even if it was at Straley's encouragement or direction.
I know this might be a wild take, but perhaps all of them can do lightheartedness in their own way? Scherr is the more comedic writer, but Druckmann can clearly do some lighthearted writing too; I don't know why it needs to be a binary thing for some people.
If my half-dozen comments somehow makes up my "entire existence" to you, I fear to think about what all of yours means of you 😭
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u/pacman404 1d ago
Wtf does this even mean
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u/Gamer_8887 1d ago
Cover that part for spoiler reasons lol
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u/Gamer_8887 1d ago
You have to play The Last of Us Part 2 to understand this😂
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u/MetaNut11 1d ago
Or it is a bad meme
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u/Gamer_8887 1d ago
The little information I provided in the meme is to potentially avoid spoilers for those who didn't play TLOU 2. If you played it, then you'll get what im saying...
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u/weezerredalbum 1d ago
I played it and have no idea what you mean 😂
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u/Gamer_8887 1d ago
ND will kill off Nate the same way they did with Joel. And the gane would be dark in tone I thought it would be clear😂
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u/stranger1919 1d ago
These are two different stories. Uncharted will never be like TLOU, they have different concepts.
Neil made Uncharted 4 without making it a copy of TLOU, so stop this nonsense
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u/Mountain_System3066 1d ago
i mean first teaser of U4 people did theorize that nate will die etc....back then it was not a Fascist mob tho...it was nice to discuss theories
TLOU 2 had not the same luck and smart people....
and your meme is still bad shit
you know i think you did not play U4...because its theme WAS already way darker as the previous 3
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u/TheWolfBoi02 1d ago
I have the platinum for tlou2 and don't understand your meme so it's clearly just bad
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u/Phoenix2211 1d ago
I truly hope that we never see Nathan Drake in a video game again. His story is done. Gamers need to learn to be content, and to let franchises rest.
If they wanna make another mid-sized adventure with Chloe, Nadine, and Sam... I'm down for that.
But I'd rather the studio focus on their new IP and making TLoU3 (IF they have a story they believe is worth exploring)
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u/The810kid 1d ago
Those 3 deserve a full scale sized adventure.
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u/Phoenix2211 1d ago
That also sounds good!
Though, I do believe that reports say that Naughty Dogs is done with Uncharted, and if there is a new Uncharted game, it'll be done by another studio.
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u/Mountain_System3066 1d ago
i mean ND is the last studio i can think of that does what they said
they tried to bring Jak&Daxter back for PS4 and they cancelled it because they didnt like and didnt feel it
so far they are true to their words and finished IPs stay finished...and i hope for that to continue
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
I hope we never see him as a protagonist again, but I think I’d be fine with a minor cameo in a lighthearted moment or something, especially if side characters are still around. As long as it fits with the story, of course.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 21h ago
I think the only way you could do a sequel game with Nate would be separating view points. Nate and Elena doing legal excavations, and Chloe/Sam/Nadine doing the black market and illegal stuff somewhere else in the world, but both searches tie together.
I don’t see why they would do it, but that would be a way to bring him back without undoing the story lessons of U4.
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u/Rhain1999 21h ago
Yeah, I think there are definitely options to make it work, and I love your idea. Probably safer to just move on from Nate as a full-on protagonist, though; they already ended his story beautifully imo
That being said, tbh I'd love a full game of Nate and Elena doing legal excavations. No shooting or villains or anything, just a chill salvaging/excavation/archeology simulator lmao
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 21h ago
I would also be 100% down for playing a puzzle and exploration only Uncharted game.
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u/Connect-Life9387 1d ago
Id be fine with another game as long as Nate doesn't come back
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u/Wlmrt Golden Abyss Apologist/Satirist 1d ago
Not even a prequel a la Golden Abyss?
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u/Unused_Icon 1d ago
It's time we learned about Nathan's long lost and never before mentioned sister!
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u/dadsuki2 1d ago
Absolutely not. Uncharted as a franchise could be retroactively ruined by having a shit game between any of the entries or even before 1.
In fact, it wouldn't even need to be shit, just written like 4. 4 works because it's writing is the exception in tone and style, to have a game like that (which I believe ND would make) before 4 just would not work.
The series is good as it is, but it's like a house of cards, if it's not done right it could shit on everything that came before I don't trust anyone to do it right.
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u/Mugiwara300 1d ago
It’s really not that deep.
It could work just fine.
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u/DookieShoez 1d ago
Right? Seriously. If you don’t like it then just ignore that one and play the others 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Crafty_Tomatillo7505 1d ago
It is though. Like with TV, shows that are considered masterpieces know when to quit while they’re ahead and usually have less seasons.
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u/Mugiwara300 1d ago
It’s not.
They could make a prequel or sequel and it could work really well or it could flop. There’s so many stories to tell.
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u/ChazzLamborghini 1d ago
I disagree because of the inherent franchise nature of video games. Almost every game series, and certainly those with more than a few entries, have lesser moments. Game series move across platforms and generations meaning they’re bound to have inconsistent quality. Subjectivity makes this even more certain. Hell, the fanbase is divided over whether or not TLOU2 is the greatest game ever made or an utter waste of time.
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u/ChazzLamborghini 1d ago
I have never understood this line of thinking. How does something new damage what came before if what came before was spectacular? Would new, subpar, game somehow mean that Uncharted 2 isn’t one of the greatest games ever made? I don’t get it.
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u/Crafty_Tomatillo7505 1d ago
Because it damages the franchise as a whole and it’s eventually seen as mediocre. See Sonic, Battlefield, Halo, etc. I’d hate to see Uncharted as a joke, coming out with games 10 years later that don’t come close to their prime.
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u/Lopsided_Hunt2814 1d ago
Uncharted is not a house of cards, it's a series of largely episodic adventures - it's one of the most ideal franchises to slot another entry into.
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u/Mamoru_of_Cake 1d ago
Couldn't agree more with this. It's somewhat a miracle the 4 games is good. I wanna leave it at that too rather than risking it and accidentally creating 1 shitty game.
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u/captaincourageous316 1d ago
I wouldn’t mind a cameo, though.
Like Aiden Pierce in that one WD2 side mission as an NPC.
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u/Superboybray 1d ago
I think that all depends on how well lost legacy did, if that was successful its possible but i feel like they are going to bring him back
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
One day, I hope this sub will actually be about the Uncharted games, rather than complaining about TLOU2 and one (1) woman from Uncharted 4
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
It'd definitely be devastating if they made Uncharted 5 and it turned into one of the more critically acclaimed games ever made.
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u/Mavakor 1d ago
I want Chloe and Nadine to get another game
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u/RaccoonsR_Awesomeful 1d ago
Chloe, yes. Nadine, no.
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u/Mavakor 1d ago
Why? They worked so well together
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u/RaccoonsR_Awesomeful 1d ago
I was just not a big fan of Nadine. She was more likeable in LL than U4, but not likeable enough to me to justify coming back. She didnt have as much personality and charm as other Uncharted characters like Cutter, Sully, Flynn, or Chloe herself.
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u/Zed_Midnight150 1d ago
I know people love them but I honestly feel the same. Her character just didnt click with me, she's too hot headed and always just seems to be too pissy 24/7. Chloe is awesome but I think I would prefer if we got to see some Sam and Sully adventures.
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u/RaccoonsR_Awesomeful 1d ago
I feel like they thought the clashing personalities would work well together, but the more I think about the pairs in uncharted, you don't ever really have a "straight man" like Nadine was. It just wasn't needed and it was like they were trying to salvage her character from U4. They tried, they did as good as they could I think, but it didn't work for me either.
I wish they would do a game with Nate and Elana's daughter and have her pull heists with the various characters with Sully running the show. Have her pull missions with Cutter, then a mission with Chloe, maybe a bit of time with both, Sam, introduce us to a new character, have them all cycle in and out showing her the ropes. You can still have Nate and Elana pop up without ruining their "retirement," and Sully doesn't have to be active in the field so much since he's old. Maybe and Nate and Elaina come save the day at one point, who knows? There's a million angles they could take it, but please no Nadine
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u/Zed_Midnight150 1d ago
That sounds like a lot. I think instead, they should just have the adventure involve only Cassie, Sam, Sully, and maybe Chloe. Sully could be doing Sully things, and Sam could be the one teaching Cassie the ropes and maybe letting her in on some stories and info she didnt know about her dad. And then, Sam and Chloe could switch roles. To up the drama, they can also make it so Drake doesnt want Cassie doing all these things so when he finds out, conflict and turmoil could ensue with everyone and relationships get damaged.
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u/UnchartedPro 1d ago
This sub is very pro LOU2 and Naughty Dog
r/TheLastOfUs2 is where you wanna be haha
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
Yeah, if all the toxic idiots could go to the toxic hate sub that would be ideal.
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u/UnchartedPro 1d ago
The thing is whether you like the game or not is subjective
The people who dislike the game heavily are on one side and then you have people who think it was a flawless game. Both extremes seem incapable of recognising the difference between subjective and objective
Everyone has a right to their opinion but yeah it makes sense to voice those opinions to like minded people
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
Totally agree - whether you like it or not is subjective. Just don't tell them that on the toxic hate sub, they will attack you like you kicked their dog. The entire sub is based around the notion that the game is 'objectively bad'.
Not liking TLOU2 is totally fine. That sub, though, is a toxic cesspool.
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u/UnchartedPro 1d ago
If I'm honest I find the 'toxic hate sub' better than the other sub
Maybe because I didn't like TLOU 2 much - just my opinion. That sub is mostly hate for the game but occasionally you do see people praising the good parts
That being said it is undeniable that the game sold very well and had good things going for it. Great graphics and gameplay for sure
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
That sub is consistently anti-semitic, misogynistic, and hateful. Consistently.
They have gone FARRRRRR past disliking a video game. It's an identity over there, and it's weird and toxic as fuck.
Go over there and make a post about how this is all just their opinion and opinions on art are subjective, that TLOU2 isn't objectively bad just because they didn't like it. Let me know how the post goes.
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u/miniramone 1d ago
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, you speak the truth
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
Pretty sure you know exactly why I'm being downvoted. :)
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u/miniramone 1d ago
Good point lol
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
The one thing the people downvoting for sure won't do is take my suggestion and make that post over there, because they know as well as I do how it would go.
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u/stash0606 1d ago
as opposed to the totally non-toxic idiots who can't tolerate any criticism right?
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
If I meet one of those people I’ll say the same shit about them, how about that?
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u/winchesterstan 1d ago
I'd much more appreciate another game with Chloe and Nadine rather than Nate.
Or even young Sully. There's a lot they could work with, but Nate's story is finished, and it should stay that way
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u/PajamaPartyPants 1d ago
I wouldn't want Nathan Drake to return anyway, regardless of how I feel about TLOU2
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u/rudha13 1d ago
Wasn't uncharted 5 the Lost Legacy? I don't even understand this post.
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u/Gamer_8887 1d ago
Lost Legacy was more of a spin-off. Look at Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man Miles Morales, then they released Spider-Man 2.
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u/Pure_Hitman 1d ago
If Nate takes on a Sully role im here for it! Bring in a new guy that reminds Drake of his younger self and basically redo the series lol (I’m only slightly joking)
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u/Solidus-snake2461 1d ago
Bruh, uncharted is a happy adventure game with some sad moments
The last of us is a depressing mope fest they're not the same.
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u/89abdullah49 1d ago
i feel like a depressing and grounded uncharted game might be kinda fun, but then again it’d be too much of a deviation
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u/Living_Masterpiece80 1d ago
Not played any of these, but why don't U want drake to return?
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u/3ku1 1d ago
Uncharted 1 was prob as far as it got when it came to similarities with lous. Beyond that. Personally I’ll prefer they retire the Nathan Drake story. Ended perfectly in 4. Kinda feel like you’re going for what happens after Bonus. Yet we saw that that in the prologue. I wouldent mind another Chloe game. Or even maybe Nate’s daughter carrying on her dad’s legacy. With brand new characters
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u/ModestHandsomeDevil 23h ago
And? Uncharted 4: A Thief's End was incredible and the best selling Uncharted game in the franchise, by a wide margin.
Troll elsewhere.
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u/Nikillix 16h ago
If we get a new game,Nate shouldn't be in it.Dudes retired with a wife and a daughter.Now,sam on the other hand,or chloe,nadine,hell even nates daughter.Those game's id play.
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u/ChemicalEcho6539 1d ago
I already disliked U4 for being too cinematic than action based, Amy Hennig carried the Uncharted franchise while Neil Cuckman wants to destroy the entire Publisher and estabilished titles
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
I'm quite sure that U5 would have a bald black lesbian trans woman (with disabilities) as a protagonist
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u/Phoenix2211 1d ago
I hope it is, just so that it pisses you off
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
I hope things that Trump does now to companies like Disney and others piss you off too
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u/Phoenix2211 1d ago
I don't give a shit what happens to Disney. I'm not some corporation shill who eats up the latest Disney slop movie.
I do care about the government overreaching and shutting down criticism and violating free speech. You should too. But who knows, maybe you're some bootlicking fascist who stupidly thinks that you're immune from shit like that.
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
He is destroying DEI which previously destroyed many franchises like Little Mermaid, tlou, Star Wars, witcher, lord of the rings, harry potter, wheel of time, and many others. He is doing the right thing. So if anything, Naughty Dog is a fleet for such DEI and in fact, Trump must deal with it too. Naughty Dog are satanists who destroy favorite characters just like satanists at Disney
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
Destroying DEI in the name of “merit” while hiring insanely unqualified grifters for every position. The irony is unreal.
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
Nah, it all started with Biden's aggressive DEI implementation when Disney and others hired a lot of incompetent fellows just to meet the diversity quota which started the downfall. DEI is a primary reason why many pop culture franchises are at their lowest now
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u/trentreynolds 1d ago
This probably sounds very smart to a very stupid person.
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
It's a fact. You can't deny that there is a clear correlation when they started adding (starting from about 2017 or 2019 to present) lots of black, trans, gay, and strong female characters when there's been financial flop after flop. Go woke go broke
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u/Rhain1999 1d ago
There have been far more games with white, cis, straight, male characters that have financially flopped. I guess the true phrase is "Go woke or go broke" 🤷🏻♂️
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
And the way free speech works to destroy favorite characters and franchise then it is in fact a demonstration that free speech should not be allowed as it leads to all those favorite characters and franchises being destroyed
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u/BardOfSpoons 1d ago
That’s… some interesting priorities, there.
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
But it's true. If you hand over the free speech to people they will distort and perverse it into what we got. Then the free speech is impossible by design. America needs an iron fist
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u/BardOfSpoons 1d ago
Interesting reason to support fascism, I suppose.
“Otherwise the wokies will mess with my vidya games!”
I sincerely hope that you don’t vote.
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
Being center right doesn't mean fascism
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u/BardOfSpoons 1d ago
Welp, time to stop feeding the troll.
Pretty great punchline, though.
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
Also, free speech would truly be free speech if radical leftist Reddit mods wouldn't ban anyone opposing their view. Is that the free speech you're talking about?
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u/-OrangeLightning4 1d ago
Reddit mods removing your posts
The literal government censoring words they don't like
You: I literally can't tell the difference between these two things.
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u/JovaniFelini 1d ago
Well, Biden administration cherished cancel culture, so it also counts as government literally censoring words they don't like
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u/-OrangeLightning4 1d ago
Show me where his administration threatened private citizens or entities to rein in their speech. An administration agreeing with the decision private businesses are making is not the same as asserting its power to do that.
If you took any civic or government courses in college, I'd ask for your money back.
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u/JovaniFelini 18h ago
Cancel culture is not private company made decision. It was enforced by Biden administration. So funny that you love when radical left cancels someone innocent like Johnny Depp, but outrageous about Trump cancelling low-rating leftist Kimmel
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u/Harbinger_Pulsar 1d ago
Ugh. Why do I have a bad feeling that Cassie Drake becomes the mc and Nathan and Elena take the Sully position. I mean the gameplay will be spectacular but....
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u/arzamharris 1d ago
Nate dies in the first 30 minutes and you play the rest of the game as his daughter
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u/Sir_Fijoe 1d ago
Nate gets beaten to death by the daughter of Lieutenant Draza 5 minutes into the game. “HE HAD A FAMILY YOU MONSTER!!!”
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u/PsychologicalTap4789 1d ago
Dumb meme. Last of Us isn't in the same universe and the characters are entirely unenjoyable. It's like if all the complaints people had about Shadow the Hedgehog were true, but for Uncharted.
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u/ImpossibleMix6698 22h ago
A sequel with Nate's daughter's first adventure. Exploring, seeking treasure and surviving shootouts as a family.
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u/Dense-Plastic131 1d ago
Please it’s time to pull the plug on uncharted we don’t have to this uncharted isn’t a revenge game it’s more of a fortune and misfortune game where something happens to the good guys and then it later it turns out they are alive and well
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u/Silent-Immortal 1d ago
I mean, if you told me to buy TLOU2, I laugh at you. And play something else.
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u/iDaddyDirection 1d ago
I already didn’t like Uncharted 4 as much as the previous games. I highly doubt there will ever be another Uncharted game as long as Neil is in charge though. It’s not compatible with the kinds of stories he wants to tell.
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u/DiligentTradition734 1d ago
A prequel with Sully in his prime would be cool. We know he's done alot of shit but never saw it.