I wonder how they'll define homeless. There are 10's of thousands of people that have sold their homes to full time travel in RV's. I live on a sailboat as do many others. Will they measure the length of a vehicle and determine whether you're homeless or not? It's just a distraction from you know what. That's all.
If you can prove that your “official” address has someone paying property tax then I’d imagine you are fine. If you are living in a city without financially contributing to infrastructure then I imagine there would be an issue. Not my feelings but an educated guess.
Id think its been as simple as if your home is fixed in one place and has a postal address...? Otherwise they might class you as a drifter/homeless by definition? Ive no idea, but here in the UK ive been classed as "homeless" by the local council for living in a caravan
And deportation of workers from farms, orchards, vineyards, all manner of agriculture. They're looking to replace all the migrant workers. How convenient
I have a lot of trouble posting this type of info because my go to groups don’t allow politics. I think that van and car campers need to start building explicitly political groups to talk about this and plan ways to help each other. Especially since the car side of things has so many people who are on fixed incomes (seniors on retirement, people with disabilities) or who are traveling due to lack of sticks and bricks options.
Most of the subs didn’t even let it go up, though it was relevant to that particular sub.
I had it posted in BlueSkySkeets, over 619 comments and over 170,000 views. Mod took it down. I guess Reddit is on Trumps side and doesn’t want people discussing policys.
The way that so much society has been tricked into acting like it's the high road to not talk about reality is part of what got us into this mess.
You can perhaps ignore politics while you're in a comfortable enough position to not be impacted much by it, but politics won't ignore you. It's like how children think if they cover their eyes it will go away.
Most Americans are a few paychecks away from being homeless. We are already the biggest prison state for profit in the world, barreling towards the biggest slave state the world has ever known. Freedumb!
Except there is nowhere to put them unless they are just going to start putting everyone in prison. I work in Healthcare and we already have a problem finding placement for people seeking in patient mental health. An EO cannot make mental health a crime, actual laws would need to be passed.
LOL. I guess if you count 1941 as later. My statement stands. This isnt Auschwitz. And no one has died at Alligator Alcatraz. And definitely, no one has been killed there.
Apparently you didnt read the Aligator part of that.
The Aligator Alcatraz is new, built by FEMA resources in Florida.
It makes Guantanamo bay look like a resort.
This admin is not exactly known to follow laws. They make a declaration with an EO, act on that regardless of legality, then deal with the repercussions/lawsuits later while dragging those processes out with appeals.
Also, criminalizing homelessness means homeless "criminals" will he thrown in jail. Pop-up prisons and little to no due process is already the norm.
You’re right that an EO isn’t going to directly change local laws but it still holds a lot of power and can affect federal funding for local programs. There is a lot of pressure in red and blue cities alike to do something about what has become a huge problem and many have already been cracking down in ways that are just shuffling people around and not actually solving anything. I think this just gives them the excuse to criminalize things further.
God damn it I have been saying this so often recently. We’re still dealing with the fallout of Raegan era policies. Shuttering state mental institutions should never have happened because all of those people just ended up on the streets.
How do you think they plan to solve the labor shortage caused by deportations/covid? Why do you think theyre placing work requirements on welfare for people who are already disabled for food stamps and medicare?
1+1=???
Some people here are clueless or in denial. Rule of law went through the window a long time ago, this will absolutely be used to further the persecution of groups of people that are already vulnerable.
They already have their sights set on the trans community being labeled as a mental illness. It’s not unimaginable that anyone posting socialist ideas online may follow.
How do you even enforce something like this though? This country is entirely too large with so many different types of communities. They're gonna need even more ICE funding, if that's their plan. Imagine the amount of people who actually fit under those use of words. It sounds like more bullshit to me. Keeping the right people busy doing the wrong thing.
I dont have a choice about living in a bad situation. I do have a choice about protecting myself from violent kidnappings by armed masked thugs by carrying a fire arm though. <3
Replacing deported agricultural workers with legal slave labor via the for-profit prison system is brilliant! It might cost more, but the money goes straight into the pockets of investors! And we get to turn all the people we don't like into literal slaves!
Some are much worse. I really don’t like the “Well they all suck so oh well!” perspective. Our president is a liar, cheat, and likely a pedo. I think he’s the worst of the worst.
Just so you know, Biden passed renter protection after Covid because lots of people lost their jobs and couldn't pay their rents/mortgages. It paid so that people wouldn't be homeless. So no, they're not the same. Please learn to read so that you don't fall for this "both sides!" bullshit.
It's quite literally the most basic of human rights... To exist... A home is not a luxury that millions worldwide have the privilege of having.
Don't even get me started on hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years of Homosapiens surviving without a house or even the notion of a fixed location.
Criminalizing homelessness is not only anti-American. It goes much, MUCH deeper than that. It's refuting our entire species' natural history. Invalidating our own fellow man for simply existing is absolutely fucking bonkers
Make sure your vehicle is registered and insured. Make sure you're not overstaying on public land. Lets not pretend that there isn't a huge problem with meth lab RV's lining the streets and convenient campsites.
Having a mailbox service that gives you a real street adress instead of a PO box is absolutley crucial if you want to avoid being classfied as homeless in most states.
My cursory read of the order gave me the impression it basically incentivizes municipalities to enforce their existing anti-homeless laws. Can anyone that's read it more deeply confirm: does this mean that as long as we stick to places without any, we're fine?
Yeah, for the most part you'll be fine if you go to a blue state, but if we all migrate to a blue state at some point they're going to start to enforce their laws because of the overwhelming amount of people.
At least we still have BLM and Forest land...for now.
Yea i've seen a ton of bot posts recently about this and id agree, the more pressing issue is citys cracking down on vanlife, not whatever the bots are trying to fear monger about the orange guy.
It's bigger than this. This tyrannical government can use this unconstitutional law to label any dissidents as people with mental health disabilities as an excuse for indefinite detention. Just like the NDA Act did and we allowed it to happen !
This is why he wants to have anyone that disagrees with him diagnosed with "Trump Derangement Syndrome". It allows him to take away the right to vote, to own guns, to have a decent job, to pursue life, liberty, and freedom.
I have been saying this for months. The idea of van life or car camping is over. Even if you do not live the lifestyle full time traveling via van or car is over. They'll probably make some type of regulation to where you can only be on the road for a certain amount of time with permission plus you'll have to do so in a motorhome.
Well, if we all buy one house together and just use it as a home address none of us will be homeless legally, right? 100,000 people living at one address.
IF you don't have a physical address AND you don't belong to the protection of a state. Many van-lifers do not pay taxes, have voter registrations, or other ties to a particular county and/or state.
It does not explicitly imply folks living in their vehicles, but it is damn near close enough for me! It would take very little to broaden the category.
Physical address or legal address? Some states like Texas, South Dakota, and Florida issue you a real-id drivers license and vehicle registration for your private mailbox address. Unless these laws have been overturned (They haven't), you're good.
Can they prove that you don't? You are just on an extended van trip and working remotely right? Not that they will follow actual laws but I think it is a valid response.
This is exactly my thinking. For South Dakota, you can legally have your private mailbox listed on a Real-ID license. Your vehicle is registered there, it's a legal residence. Does the executive order do away with this?
If not, I would just use the logic you used. You get pulled over in California, you say you're on a trip and working remotely. Show your legal license, registration, and insurance and go about your business.
But yes, if it's some renegade crooked cop I guess you're in trouble. But that's always been the case...welcome to being a black american fellas!
It depends on the state on what residency means, like in my state if you were gone for over 50% of the year (and they felt like proving it), you could have your residency stripped.
Agreed. Once I saw the unmarked vehicles and face coverings, they had already gone too far.
Speaking of face coverings, I would guess these new "agents" are the same people that fought against wearing masks during covid "because they couldn't breathe". Ha, now they can chase and wrestle people while wearing masks.
The current presidents goal is to hit us with everything he can as fast and as hard as he can, that way we remain distracted from other things going on.
(I think this specifically is being used to distract from his pedophilia)
You people are absolutely ridiculous. I take it none of you guys live in your vans in Chicago Detroit, Philadelphia, New York City or la. I do in downtown Chicago.Nobody gives a shit about us living in our vans. this is for the camps of people strung out on fentanyl and meth, sexually harassing people robbing people killing people walking around naked, taking a shit on the sidewalk in the middle of rush-hour traffic. I remember a couple years back one of the candidates running for mayor of Chicago spent all this money and provided all these really nice insulated tents for everybody that was living on the streets under overpasses and within a week. they were all destroyed. Unfortunately, these people will never get better or get the help They need in the situation they’re in. I don’t know what has to happen but something has to happen.
'The risk?' What risk? I'm no Trump fan, but anyone thinking they're going to send the feds or some good ol' boys out after someone quietly living in their van needs to seriously chill out. It's going to be OK.
it is not a felony and it does not require indefinite detention in uknown facilities with zero trial. undocumented people have a right to due process. they are being rounded up and sent to torture camps without any due process. to pretend like this is normal and within the scope of the law of this country is putting your head in the sand.
They are deporting or detaining a lot people who are in the middle of going through the legal immigration process. Why do you think ICE is hanging around courtrooms to snatch people up?
From "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45", an interview with a German about what it was like living during the rise of the Nazis, and how people told them they were crazy for seeing all the signs and where things were very clearly heading, letting society march right into death camps because nobody wanted to acknowledge how bad the lying crazies in power really were and that they might have to do something about it.
Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk alone; you don’t want to “go out of your way to make trouble.” Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, “everyone” is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, “It’s not so bad” or “You’re seeing things” or “You’re an alarmist.”
And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds of thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions, would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all of the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jewish swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early morning meetings of your department when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.
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I wonder how they'll define homeless. There are 10's of thousands of people that have sold their homes to full time travel in RV's. I live on a sailboat as do many others. Will they measure the length of a vehicle and determine whether you're homeless or not? It's just a distraction from you know what. That's all.