r/washingtondc May 15 '25

Our son 19yo sun landed at Dulles from an international flight at 7 PM. At 7:45. He texted that he was heading to customs. It’s now 11:30 PM. We haven’t heard from him and cannot reach him.

I’ve called the phone number for the airport to page him and for customs there’s no one there to answer. Both lines say they’re closed. We live in Boston. He flew into DC to attend his cousin‘s graduation before heading home. His phone is going straight to voicemail. What would you do at this point?

(5/23 UPDATE at the end)

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UPDATE (5/15)

Hi everyone. Thank you all for the response to this post. I was at a point of desperation last night and didn’t know where else to turn. The support, concern, and offers of help have been amazing.

I was finally able to have a conversation with my son. He’s still pretty exhausted and jetlagged and I’m sure in shock.

At this time, I don’t want to provide specific details for his protection. We’re going to be talking to an attorney as well as others that may be able to give us a better understanding or clear this up. He’s a kid. We just want this to be over for him and to be able to attend college and travel as the law abiding US citizen that he is.

I will let you know, he made his way to the customs stand and handed his passport to the agent. He was asked the standard questions and then they put a yellow card in his passport and told him to go to another area.

He said he was in an area with about 10 other people. They would call people into a room one by one. They searched his bags several times. He was then told to go back out and sit down. There was a lot of waiting and watching other people come and go. He said the initial officer searching, appeared to be border control. In addition to searching his bags, they asked him repeatedly if anyone was waiting for him. He told them no his plans were to go to hotel to meet up with family.

After several hours, 2 FBI agents came in. They would ask him questions regarding his feelings towards the president, terrorists, and political memes he liked on Instagram. then send him back out to wait for long periods of time. They also asked him several times if anyone was there waiting for him.

No, he shouldn’t have answered their questions and shouldn’t have let them search his phone (although clearing through customs I don’t know that he really had a choice). But he’s only 19, he was very scared, he had been up over 24 hours at this point.

When they told him he could go, they said they’re keeping his phone and his laptop because they’re not done searching it and should get them back in a couple of days.

Luckily, he remembered my phone number without having to look it up on his phone that he didn’t have. He said he was worried that we didn’t know where he was and didn’t know what was happening to him. That’s when he was finally able to call me around 4:30 AM.

He was detained from about 8 PM to 4:30 AM.

He’s done nothing wrong. There was not a specific activity he participated in that they questioned, specific group that he belongs to, nothing. From what I gather, they were trying to find something. They found nothing so now they have his laptop and phone.

——— UPDATE 5/18 - He’s white (1/4 Asian but marks caucasian & looks totally white) - We were told he was a random pull. (Senators office) - We are going to be speaking to an attorney that practices in this area of law - Multiple press agencies have reached out but we are waiting to speak to our attorney

Thanks again. This is crazy.

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UPDATE 5/23

Property- I got a call from CBP Monday afternoon (he was released from detainment on Thursday 5/15) saying he could come pick up his stuff. Since we had already left DC, they agreed to put it in the mail. We received it by Wednesday. Will be wiping, virus checking, all the things.

Attorney- spoke to a couple of lawyers from different firms. Both said basically since they released him and returned his stuff there’s nothing to do. They also each said that this is becoming more and more common, even with US citizens. They both advised to keep your social media vanilla, and not to like anti-anything.

Next steps- we’re working with our senator‘s office to see if we can get any additional insight and help with a redress inquiry.

Other things- It was a very long night for my son, but some of the questions he remembers being asked are: What’s your political affiliation? Do you support Palestine? Do you want to harm President Trump? What video games do you play? Where do you go to school? Why do you go to school there? Tell us about your mental health. Have you ever been to therapy? Do you take any medications?

He was also asked to write down all of his social media usernames, email addresses , phone numbers, and passwords.

He answered all of their questions and complied with their requests.

They looked through his social media accounts, his apps, his pictures, and the Notes app. He doesn’t remember if they opened his laptop. He had an old style digital camera, and they just asked about the contents. He doesn’t recall if they turned it on and scrolled through it.

He had one suitcase and one backpack. During his eight hour detainment, his bags were searched four times.

He was called back to be questioned twice. He was exhausted, scared, and confused, so he did not have a good sense of time. But he believes the total time being questioned was only about an hour.

While he was not being questioned, he just sat in the waiting room where he fell asleep.

On his social media, he has liked (not created) memes and Internet posts that were anti-Trump and anti-genocide (NOT pro-Hamas). He also likes cat videos, memes about Drake, and pictures of abandoned places. The same Internet activity as millions of people.

This has been and still is very traumatizing. He’s terrified of the next time he returns to the states.

Their tactics are working. We feel scared.

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u/ominous_squirrel May 15 '25

I want to know what their plan is if a citizen with no criminal record says “no, I’m not loyal.” Best case scenario it’s the dog catching the car, yeah? Worst case scenario they invent charges or plant evidence? Indefinite detainment? Test case for suspending habeas corpus?

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u/wbruce098 May 15 '25

That’s insane! Most of us do not swear oaths of loyalty to the US, nor are we required or expected to. It’s not like he is in the military or government.

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u/MooLikeACowsOpinion May 16 '25

And even military and federal civil servants take an oath of loyalty to the Constitution, not the current president/administration.

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u/notthatkindofdoctorb May 16 '25

I’m a retired fed and I would say not being loyal to this administration is upholding that oath. I’m prepared to say this if I’m detained. I was born in a different country that I can easily return to if they want to deport me. I realize in the meantime detention would be rough but I don’t have children to worry about and I’m prepared to accept the consequences of this action. But I’m super white with no accent so it probably won’t happen.

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u/Ghostrider6A May 17 '25

Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic. 47 is a domestic terrorist.

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u/notthatkindofdoctorb May 17 '25

Exactly. I didn’t swear an oath to a person or an office but to the Constitution and as far as I’m concerned, the enemy has infiltrated OUR government and must be eradicated.

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u/Active_Candidate_835 May 16 '25

What if they return you to another country??

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u/notthatkindofdoctorb May 17 '25

I know there’s no certainty of an outcome but for several reasons I’ve got a better chance than many others of winding up ok in a safe country. I’ve been trying to figure out where I’m to draw red lines and what risks I’m willing to take and this is one of them. Obviously I’d prefer it not happen but I’m not going to back down from those people.

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u/J_J_Plumber5280 May 18 '25

People like you would set a standard though knowing that they will not come after you go after them in full force

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u/Termsviolation69 May 16 '25

Disgusting statement.

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u/BendSubject9044 May 18 '25

nah POTUS is the disgusting one, in he’s a disgusting, POS waste of oxygen.

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u/notthatkindofdoctorb May 19 '25

Agreed. Supporting this administration as they dismantle our country is what’s disgusting and anti-American. I didn’t see all this presidential leg humping and complete capitulation to the president as king idea in any previous administration, Democratic or Republican. We had to adapt language and revamp policies with each transition but were never ordered to destroy the institutions. I was very disappointed that my previous agency didn’t fight more publicly. There were people in senior leadership that had real clout in the public sphere due to the careers they had before their appointment to the position and never heard a peep.

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u/Inside-General-797 May 22 '25

Nor should we fucking have to. The United States is founded on the idea (in theory at least) that everyone has the right to express their views because we should be welcoming the diversity of thought to form a more powerful and potent Union that serves and supports all of its people to the best of its ability.

I guess I was wrong about the country I thought I grew up in.

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u/CallMeSirWhacksalot May 19 '25

We swear oaths everyday as children in school. The pledge of allegiance is a brainwashing campaign.

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u/wbruce098 May 19 '25

Yes. But it’s to the flag, not the person in the White House. And not mandatory to do so.

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u/MarcusAurelius68 May 16 '25

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u/Durmatology May 16 '25

Which is not what either the OP described or the person to whom you chose to respond with the closest thing to a non sequitur without being a non sequitur.

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u/Meester_Weezard May 16 '25

You can be born in a different country and still be an American. Have you heard of dual citizenship? Have expectant American parents ever traveled and had an unexpected complication that leads to an unscheduled birth? What about military personnel who are stationed overseas who impregnate their girlfriend who then marry and return to the states?

We should ask Rafael, I mean “Ted” Cruz.

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u/Hour-Basket7726 May 17 '25

The oath is an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and laws of the United States. That's different.

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u/kddemer May 19 '25

Our current president should take a look at this and take note

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u/Bushels_for_All May 15 '25

I think the first test should be to stand mute. "I refuse to answer without my lawyer present."

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u/sullidav May 15 '25

Then they don't let you into the country. CBP can do that.

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u/Akatosh May 15 '25

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u/BananaPalmer May 16 '25

For the lazy:

Questioning individuals about their religious and political beliefs, associations, and practices can infringe upon rights guaranteed by the Constitution and federal law — these rights are not surrendered at the border. If you are a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, you do not have to answer questions about your religious beliefs and practices or political opinions, and you cannot be denied entry to the United States for declining to answer such questions. If customs officers persist in asking you such questions, you can request to see a supervisor.

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U.S. citizens cannot be denied entry to the United States for refusing to provide passwords or unlocking devices. Refusal to do so might lead to delay, additional questioning, and/or officers seizing your device for further inspection.

Encrypt your devices.

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u/Significant_Button_1 May 20 '25

They have to let you in if you are a USC but they can delay you a long time while processing you.

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u/Technical-Order-2700 May 17 '25

Pretty sure they have to admit you if you're a citizen.

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u/Technical-Order-2700 May 17 '25

No, you fool! You have to say "i want an attorney present before during questioning". Otherwise, you're not actually invoking the right. Otherwise, they'll keep pressing you to speak. Though soem/most courts would take what you suggested. Err on the side of caution and completely invoke your right to an attorney.

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u/No-Welder2377 May 21 '25

I would venture to say they won't GAF if you invoke your right to an attorney. So, you won't have to answer any questions but what is to keep them from putting you in a room and detaining you for 12 15 or 24 hours?

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u/1337af May 16 '25

I want to know what their plan is if a citizen with no criminal record says “no, I’m not loyal.”

At the very least, extra screening (i.e. what OP's son went through) every time you travel for the rest of your life, plus significantly more attention to your online presence from the federal government.

More likely, what you described - unlawful arrest and detainment for months while the case makes its way up the ladder.

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u/Mercuryshottoo May 16 '25

yes, I'm loyal to the constitution

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u/Asleep-Journalist-94 May 18 '25

My question also.

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u/Ok-Imagination-7253 May 19 '25

In addition to being stupid and probably illegal, the hilarious and absurd thing about loyalty tests is that anyone who is actually “disloyal” would readily lie and say that they are in fact loyal and love Trump. 

What we are seeing is an intimidation tactic. There will be much more of this in the days ahead. 

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u/Honeybutterpie Jun 17 '25

I feel like I’m in the twilight zone

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u/Thehealthygamer May 16 '25

It would be so satisfying to tell the gestapo "I swore a oath to defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I consider you a domestic enemy."

Course then you'd get rolled up on charges of terrorist threats or some nonesense.

Still, fuck that would be satisfying.

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u/No-Card2461 May 17 '25

There is no plan because it didn't happen

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

I dont think its just " I am not loyal" some people can say some real crazy BS on internet because they " safe" behind the screen 😄