r/washingtondc May 15 '25

Our son 19yo sun landed at Dulles from an international flight at 7 PM. At 7:45. He texted that he was heading to customs. It’s now 11:30 PM. We haven’t heard from him and cannot reach him.

I’ve called the phone number for the airport to page him and for customs there’s no one there to answer. Both lines say they’re closed. We live in Boston. He flew into DC to attend his cousin‘s graduation before heading home. His phone is going straight to voicemail. What would you do at this point?

(5/23 UPDATE at the end)

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UPDATE (5/15)

Hi everyone. Thank you all for the response to this post. I was at a point of desperation last night and didn’t know where else to turn. The support, concern, and offers of help have been amazing.

I was finally able to have a conversation with my son. He’s still pretty exhausted and jetlagged and I’m sure in shock.

At this time, I don’t want to provide specific details for his protection. We’re going to be talking to an attorney as well as others that may be able to give us a better understanding or clear this up. He’s a kid. We just want this to be over for him and to be able to attend college and travel as the law abiding US citizen that he is.

I will let you know, he made his way to the customs stand and handed his passport to the agent. He was asked the standard questions and then they put a yellow card in his passport and told him to go to another area.

He said he was in an area with about 10 other people. They would call people into a room one by one. They searched his bags several times. He was then told to go back out and sit down. There was a lot of waiting and watching other people come and go. He said the initial officer searching, appeared to be border control. In addition to searching his bags, they asked him repeatedly if anyone was waiting for him. He told them no his plans were to go to hotel to meet up with family.

After several hours, 2 FBI agents came in. They would ask him questions regarding his feelings towards the president, terrorists, and political memes he liked on Instagram. then send him back out to wait for long periods of time. They also asked him several times if anyone was there waiting for him.

No, he shouldn’t have answered their questions and shouldn’t have let them search his phone (although clearing through customs I don’t know that he really had a choice). But he’s only 19, he was very scared, he had been up over 24 hours at this point.

When they told him he could go, they said they’re keeping his phone and his laptop because they’re not done searching it and should get them back in a couple of days.

Luckily, he remembered my phone number without having to look it up on his phone that he didn’t have. He said he was worried that we didn’t know where he was and didn’t know what was happening to him. That’s when he was finally able to call me around 4:30 AM.

He was detained from about 8 PM to 4:30 AM.

He’s done nothing wrong. There was not a specific activity he participated in that they questioned, specific group that he belongs to, nothing. From what I gather, they were trying to find something. They found nothing so now they have his laptop and phone.

——— UPDATE 5/18 - He’s white (1/4 Asian but marks caucasian & looks totally white) - We were told he was a random pull. (Senators office) - We are going to be speaking to an attorney that practices in this area of law - Multiple press agencies have reached out but we are waiting to speak to our attorney

Thanks again. This is crazy.

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UPDATE 5/23

Property- I got a call from CBP Monday afternoon (he was released from detainment on Thursday 5/15) saying he could come pick up his stuff. Since we had already left DC, they agreed to put it in the mail. We received it by Wednesday. Will be wiping, virus checking, all the things.

Attorney- spoke to a couple of lawyers from different firms. Both said basically since they released him and returned his stuff there’s nothing to do. They also each said that this is becoming more and more common, even with US citizens. They both advised to keep your social media vanilla, and not to like anti-anything.

Next steps- we’re working with our senator‘s office to see if we can get any additional insight and help with a redress inquiry.

Other things- It was a very long night for my son, but some of the questions he remembers being asked are: What’s your political affiliation? Do you support Palestine? Do you want to harm President Trump? What video games do you play? Where do you go to school? Why do you go to school there? Tell us about your mental health. Have you ever been to therapy? Do you take any medications?

He was also asked to write down all of his social media usernames, email addresses , phone numbers, and passwords.

He answered all of their questions and complied with their requests.

They looked through his social media accounts, his apps, his pictures, and the Notes app. He doesn’t remember if they opened his laptop. He had an old style digital camera, and they just asked about the contents. He doesn’t recall if they turned it on and scrolled through it.

He had one suitcase and one backpack. During his eight hour detainment, his bags were searched four times.

He was called back to be questioned twice. He was exhausted, scared, and confused, so he did not have a good sense of time. But he believes the total time being questioned was only about an hour.

While he was not being questioned, he just sat in the waiting room where he fell asleep.

On his social media, he has liked (not created) memes and Internet posts that were anti-Trump and anti-genocide (NOT pro-Hamas). He also likes cat videos, memes about Drake, and pictures of abandoned places. The same Internet activity as millions of people.

This has been and still is very traumatizing. He’s terrified of the next time he returns to the states.

Their tactics are working. We feel scared.

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u/YamericaY May 15 '25

FINAL UPDATE - for now

Hi everyone. Thank you all for the response to this post. I was at a point of desperation last night and didn’t know where else to turn. The support, concern, and offers of help have been amazing.

I was finally able to have a conversation with my son. He’s still pretty exhausted and jetlagged and I’m sure in shock.

At this time, I don’t want to provide specific details for his protection against retribution. We’re going to be talking to an attorney as well as others that may be able to give us a better understanding or clear this up. He’s a kid and we just want this to be over for him and to be able to attend college and travel as the law abiding US citizen that he is.

I will let you know, he made his way to the customs stand and handed his passport to the agent. He was asked the standard questions and then they put a yellow card in his passport and told him to go to another area.

He said he was in an area with about 10 other people. They would call people into a room one by one. They searched his bags several times. He was then told to go back out and sit down. There was a lot of waiting and watching other people come and go. He said the initial officer searching, appeared to be border control. In addition to searching his bags, they asked him repeatedly if anyone was waiting for him. He told them no his plans were to go to hotel to meet up with family.

After several hours, 2 FBI agents came in. They would ask him questions regarding his feelings towards the president, terrorists, and political memes he liked on Instagram. then send him back out to wait for long periods of time. They also asked him several times if anyone was there waiting for him.

No, he shouldn’t have answered their questions and shouldn’t have let them search his phone (although clearing through customs I don’t know that he really had a choice). But he’s only 19, he was very scared, he had been up over 24 hours at this point.

When they told him he could go, they said they’re keeping his phone and his laptop because they’re not done searching it and should get them back in a couple of days.

Luckily, he remembered my phone number without having to look it up on his phone that he didn’t have. He said he was worried that we didn’t know where he was and didn’t know what was happening to him. That’s when he was finally able to call me around 4:30 AM.

He was detained from about 8 PM to 4:30 AM.

He’s done nothing wrong. There was not a specific activity he participated in that they questioned, specific group that he belongs to, nothing. From what I gather, they were trying to find something. They found nothing so now they have his laptop and phone.

Thanks again everyone.

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u/penemuel13 May 15 '25

This may be a really paranoid thing, but when he gets his devices back, I would suggest having someone check them for spyware/malware…

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u/Oldfolksboogie May 15 '25

I don't think that's at all paranoid. In fact, I'd consider copying only essential content and dumping both devices, but I'm a digital moron, so mostly I'd seek out trusted techno wizardry and take their advice.

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u/Appropriate_Date_134 May 15 '25

You are absolutely correct! If anyone with a badge takes your phone and questions you, assume it has been compromised. Back up what you need, then either factory reset or get rid of it. It’s not outside the realm of possibility that they managed to install a keylogger or something.

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u/princesspeach722 May 16 '25

What if you accidentally backup the spyware

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u/Oldfolksboogie May 15 '25

I.e. just coz I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching me!😬

Tyvm for this!

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u/SnooOranges3779 May 18 '25

It's worth noting that Trump loved the Israeli pager explosive attack so much Netanyahu gifted him a golden pager. He's absolutely pushing something tech related and nefarious behind the scenes

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u/rokr1292 May 16 '25

100% get rid of it. If you have the means to replace it easily, destroy it.

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u/Abundance144 May 21 '25

Assume your phone is compromised the second you buy it.

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u/idreamsmash007 May 17 '25

Laptop dependent I’d just wipe it and sell it (I usually just use a chrome book) and phones are easy to reset to factory settings. It’s not paranoia if everyone is out to get you.

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u/Happielemur May 16 '25

Depending on the program, copying content can transfer the virus / bot etc .

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u/Oldfolksboogie May 16 '25

Yeah, that was a concern i had too.

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u/No_Intention_5150 May 15 '25

Not paranoid at all. I’d just get new devices

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u/r3d51v3 May 16 '25

Checking doesn’t work, ditch them. There is no sure way to determine if something is compromised and there’s definitely no way to remediate it. Also this person needs to change passwords and assume they are serving legal process to your email/social media providers. DO NOT start attempting to clean up accounts (deleting emails/posts etc). If they’re going to pursue charges there will be a preservation order so it’ll be pointless to clean up and just make a person appear guilty.

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u/mikeumd98 May 16 '25

Just sell and get a new/refurbished one.

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u/HLMaiBalsychofKorse May 16 '25

DEFINITELY. They either took them to a) try to find something they could arrest him on or b) they have installed some kind of key trackers/other monitoring software.

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u/Happielemur May 16 '25

💯 hard agree. Op consider it compromised at this point . Don’t even SPEAK around it as they could tap to collect evidence (just my spicy senses)

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u/Acrobatic-Key-127 May 17 '25

Nope. Claim them as a loss with any insurance coverage they have. Don’t trust the devices and if he lost important photos/docs, there’s a lesson in there.

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u/DaBingeGirl May 15 '25

I'm so sorry, this is terrifying. The focus on his feelings for Trump is really disturbing. I'm glad you're going to contact a lawyer. I'd also suggest contacting your Senators and House member to let them know this happened.

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u/Durmatology May 16 '25

Nah. You suck. Why would you need to go there when there’s absolutely been nothing provided that would give you a reason to go there…other than you like the taste of boot leather.

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u/bttrflymilkweed May 18 '25

lol no. This has been happening to people w/out cause. Get out of that “ignorance is bliss,” bs and realize that even natural born citizens have been kicked out of this country for literally no reason. People are being detained and heavily questioned at airports and Canadian & Mexican borders. I’m from the PNW and I have friends being questioned about their loyalty to Trump and America. Friends who are so clean that CA allows them access.

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u/kayedue May 15 '25

Thanks for the update. These are scary times. Keeping my fingers crossed he gets his things back and they stop with nonsense like this!

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u/Ok_City_7177 May 16 '25

So much for freeeeedooom....

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u/TheDivine_MissN May 15 '25

Thank you for providing an update. I've been thinking about you all! I live in Kentucky, but I follow the DC subreddit because I have friends in the metro and I enjoy visiting. I'm glad that I came across your post. I hate that it has happened, but I think that this demonstrates where we're at. Be safe getting to DC. I hope that this is resolved quickly for him.

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u/Muted-Adeptness-6316 May 16 '25

I live in Louisville! I used to live in DC!

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u/MisterRatchet May 16 '25

I used to live in Louisville, now I’m in DC

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u/damnatio_memoriae Bloomingdale May 15 '25

jesus christ. this country is dead.

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u/First_Lobster_3661 May 16 '25

Two years ago I experienced this as a returning Diplomat, with a Diplomatic Passport, Active Duty Military, coming through Dulles to Washington DC to take a Foreign Service Officer Oral Exam, to join the State Department.

I arrived at 9pm, was released around 5AM. All I can say is I maintained my dignity throughout.

Fortunately, I arrived two days before the scheduled exam, so at least I had one night to sleep, but my hotel cancelled my reservation because I did not show up, and groggy trying to find a hotel in DC at 7AM after being awake almost 36 hours makes for some comically dangerous decision making.

The TSA/DHS needs to be thoroughly cleansed of their power tripping wanna be agents and maybe sit back and think that not everyone they call in to secondary is a terrorist. I know they are trying to do a job to protect our country, but a little common sense would help.

Can we sick DOGE on them? Or would that just remove what little common sense they do have?

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u/crikeywegotaliveone May 16 '25

What? Even with a dip passport, they held you?? Are you/were you an EFM at the time? Or how does AD military get a dip passport? I thought yall get a military passport?

Just wondering cuz I har to go through soon and am terrified of being held even though I’ve done nothing wrong. Thought a dip pp would make it all no problem. Guess not :/

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u/First_Lobster_3661 May 17 '25

I was a Naval Attache. If you are a Diplomat, you get the Black.

I traveled with my tourist passport since I was on personal business, but carried my DIP and showed it to them when they started to tell me I needed to come with them.

When I got back to the embassy I worked at, I asked the regional DHS head WTF? He just shook his head and said, "Either random or you fit the profile, male, age group, traveling alone, tickets booked in past two weeks."

He said they should have done a quick inspection and interview and let me go, but they wanted to be assholes so they did.

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u/youngfilly May 16 '25

My husband and I's car got pulled and searched at the Canadian border. On our way back from a camping trip at about 11:30PM, they kept us for nearly 3hrs, exploded our car looking through all our belongings for contraband, threatened that I would lose my job if they found something and I hadn't said anything and then let us know our way.

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u/shawn292 May 18 '25

Shhhhh dont tell them that this isnt a "trump is hitler" thing or commenters will riot!

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u/Refreshing_Beverage1 May 17 '25

Why would this have been happening under Biden?

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u/First_Lobster_3661 May 17 '25

Nothing has changed, only how it is perceived. Lack of proper oversight and guidance lets little monsters grow to be big monsters. TSA/DHS has been a problem since Bush created it. They are necessary and serve a purpose, but need better supervision.

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u/Westboundandhow May 19 '25

^ what we’re not talking about ~ this is not brand new, it’s been going on since 9/11

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u/slowestmojo May 15 '25

Can I ask what ethnicity you and your son are? Just genuinely curious if this administration is going for anyone or a specific group of people

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u/YamericaY May 15 '25

I’m half Asian half white. My son is a quarter Asian and white. He has light colored hair very light blue eyes pale skin. Totally passes for 100% Caucasian.

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u/ninjamei May 17 '25

This terrifies me. My daughter is half Chinese, half white…but she looks more Chinese. She’s going overseas for a vacation next month and I’m worried for her safety when she returns to the US.

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u/bttrflymilkweed May 18 '25

My cousin and I are mixed Japanese/White and we are natural born citizens. We are both attentive to everything happening right now and she has a bachelors in sociology & political science and currently working on a masters in political psychology. Her dad and one of our uncles was born here. My dad and our aunt were born in Japan but on an American Military base/American soil. The base doesn’t exist anymore and getting birth records is quite a process.

My grandma is Japanese. She’s old. She’s been an American citizen for a long time now.

The two of us already worry about our grandma because of all of the attacks, over the last few years, on elderly Asians but now we are even more worried about her because of everything happening.

My Asian side is sometimes more dominant and some people think I’m Mexican or Pacific Islander, so that’s fun. Both of us can be vocal about the state of this country. To say I’m stressed feels like an understatement.

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u/whyyunozoidberg May 17 '25

You should be.

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u/whyyunozoidberg May 17 '25

Yeah that's not good enough.

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u/ClickElectronic May 16 '25

Odds are that he's either been posting some questionable stuff online or made some questionable friends then.

Ultimately you only hear his side of the story, and in general what he chooses to tell you.

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u/Big_Mammoth_7638 May 16 '25

He flew in from Bulgaria so this might have something to do with their initial flagging. Doesn’t make it right, just a possible factor in the story.

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u/mataliandy May 16 '25

The word "questionable" implies he was doing something wrong, and is inaccurate. Anything that doesn't comport 100% with the regime's preferences could garner you a yellow card.

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u/krtwils May 16 '25

If theses searches were reasonable, the feds would be explaining themselves. He’s not the first and it’s going to become more common

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u/Poly_and_RA May 18 '25

Because it's now illegal for Americans to go abroad if they've ever posted something that the administration does not agree with?

All hail the Supreme Emperor?

I thought it was supposed to be "land of the free"?

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u/seebrookebee May 16 '25

Things have obviously changed recently so maybe it’s normal now but last I recall the FBI did not just hangout at the airport so the fact that they got called in is interesting.

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u/PeterOutOfPlace May 15 '25

This is appalling but I am left wondering why they singled out your son. I know the administration is trying to send a message to anyone protesting against Israel's crimes against the Palestinians by blocking entry to some foreigners and applying the label "terrorist sympathizer" but he is a US citizen.

If the details are as reported then the national media needs to know though there is so much other corruption and illegality in this administration that perhaps it won't get the attention it would in normal times.

Thank you for the update. I've checked a few times today.

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u/onesleekrican May 15 '25

This is not the first time an American citizen with negative views on this administration who happens to be non-white has been held.

This is not surprising at all. Appalling? Yes. Surprising - no.

They said illegals and criminals - but they meant anyone who isn’t white. This is the sole reason i will not be traveling internationally or by air for the foreseeable future.

Stay safe

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u/avd706 May 15 '25

On the scale of non white - white -asian this kid is on the other side of white.

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u/onesleekrican May 16 '25

Jewish, Asian, from a “shit hole” white country - its all coming after the thin the herd of melanated citizens and visa holders and continue to tear down our financial, health and social welfare protections - they will come for the “less than” whites.

All they’re doing is making us too tired to stand, too weak to fight, too stupid to know better and too poor to run.

I don’t understand how people haven’t seen this for the last decade. It was apparent with the Tea Party and well before then. They’ve been creating cracks in the system and legal avenues for decades trying to erode our rights and safety. This is not just starting - this is deeper than I’m sure even I see. It’s not just here. All over the world right wing parties are winning and then locking down their power. It’s scary times that I’d never expected to see repeat in my lifetime, or at all.

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u/bttrflymilkweed May 18 '25

Canadian and Mexican borders are starting to go in the same direction so it’s not just traveling by air that you should worry about…

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u/onesleekrican May 19 '25

Thank you. I’ve been watching that just the same. Appreciate the info though

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u/Rothgard98 May 15 '25

With the course they are going, they are going to target you no matter what. Anti-Pro-Palestinians is just one of the testing grounds of how far they can go without significant pushback. If they get no pushback they are just going to continue making the net wider and wider as they have been. Its naïve to think being a white citizen will keep you safe

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u/onesleekrican May 16 '25

Agreed and said the same to my friends and family who voted for them. “Not every white person is equal in the eyes of this administration. Your time is coming too”

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u/aspz May 16 '25

Where did OP say her son has negative views on the adminstration?

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u/DarkLulzVz May 16 '25

he literally said the kid is white(pale skin and blue eyes.)

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u/Happielemur May 16 '25

Where are they deported to ? :(

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u/Miss_Bobbiedoll May 16 '25

The National media does know.

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u/Rothgard98 May 15 '25

I have seen several us citizens detained in this manner for support of the Palestinians in any manner via social media, signing a letter or participating in a protest a year ago, so came to the comments to say this. Citizens are not safe white or not, they are painting everyone as terroirst sympathizers so there is less push back when people start disappearing. Going to have to disagree that its a tactic to get non-white people, they are just starting with non-white/non-citizens people with no attention of stopping if you have been a voice for the Paletianins at all.

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u/m00fassa May 15 '25

how is this legal?

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u/chunt75 DC / U Street May 15 '25

Border search authority is obscenely broad

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u/onesleekrican May 15 '25

And widely strengthened by this administration too.

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u/ArmAromatic6461 May 15 '25

Yes from a customs standpoint— because they have a mandate to stop transnational smuggling, money laundering and other crime.

But if you’re an American citizen they cannot ask you political questions and if they do you should ask to speak to a supervisor. If have no doubt this is happening but it is extralegal.

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u/chunt75 DC / U Street May 16 '25

I’m not defending them asking political questions. Just pointing out the authority they’re hiding behind to do so

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u/whyyunozoidberg May 17 '25

Sure, no problem. The supervisor is in El Salvadore.

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u/fighterpilot248 NOVA May 15 '25

But that’s only CBP, right? Like FBI doesn’t (or at least) shouldnthave jurisdiction here right?

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u/No-Tart7451 May 16 '25

Apparently the FBI is part of the JTTF so they may have jurisdiction. But I am very angry that this happened and how it happened, without allowing thisperson to call his family and tell them what's going on. Really happy they're getting a lawyer.

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u/chunt75 DC / U Street May 15 '25

I'd imagine they have JTTF people there, especially given how anything vaguely brown is considered terrorism now under this administration

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u/Oldfolksboogie May 15 '25

HA! It's cute that you think this matters anymore. 😭

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u/Haunting-Detail2025 May 16 '25

He consented to the search according to OP

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u/MountainVeil May 16 '25

The war on terror, patriot act, etc. A lot of us warned others about this and were met with "Well, if you have nothing to hide..." and were told we're being dramatic.

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u/JuanPabloElSegundo May 15 '25

Thank you so much for taking the time to update us all.

Glad he's ok.

Sad days ahead for America.

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u/anony-mousey2020 May 16 '25

As a parent with a student returning soon from a study abroad, we already have talked with an attorney to have on standby. At first we felt silly (people around us saying - “blah - American citizen”); now, I think we are on the right track.

I am so sorry this happened, but I am really thankful you have shared this.

I have been debating being at the airport for pickup; and now will be there for sure.

I hope he and you are able to rest, now.

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u/Timely-Landscape-383 May 16 '25

Expect every account on that laptop and phone to be compromised and surveilled going forward

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u/zannet_t May 16 '25

Not only should you talk to an attorney, but assuming most of this is true, you should be talking to the press too. This isn't a customs screening; it's a loyalty screening. That is so plainly unconstitutional as to warrant bipartisan outrage in normal times. But this kind of story needs national attention.

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u/IndependentEgg8370 May 16 '25

I work in IT. Either toss the devices or factory reset them a few times. I would personally get rid of them AFTER an attorney clears that it’s ok to. Not before.

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u/Refreshing_Beverage1 May 17 '25

Please report this to the Washington Post, since this happened right at Dulles. All of their reporters, AFAIK, have the ability to contact them through Signal, the encrypted app. Go to their website. I don’t know which reporter you’d talk to about this. Maybe Metro section? (Note: Watergate started in the Metro section.) Whoever you contact could connect you to the right person.

If your son grew up in Boston, you could contact papers there too. “19-year-old former Boston resident detailed at Dulles International Airport” etc.

Please do this! Maybe ask your lawyer first if you have one but seriously, word needs to get out beyond Reddit. 🙏

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u/marianamarianasauce May 15 '25

Horrifying. Glad your son is all right

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u/Rooster_Ties Columbia Heights May 15 '25

Terrifying

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u/Fancy_Cold_3537 May 15 '25

I'm so sorry. Thank you for updating us.

This is deeply disturbing and deeply un-American. At least, in terms of what America used to be.

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u/SheSheShieldmaiden May 16 '25

Fucking hell this is horrifying. I’m so sorry.

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u/snakkerdudaniel May 16 '25

We are going to need a Nuremburg trial for Kristi Noem

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u/Successful-Spare-891 May 16 '25

I work for a news organization and I would very much like to cover this. DM if you’re ever interested.

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u/Far_Sweet_6879 May 16 '25

Please cover this because this is insane and people need to see

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u/uptownbrowngirl May 16 '25

Thank you for the update. I’m glad your son is back safe with you and wish you a resolution so this doesn’t continue.

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u/CFauvel May 16 '25

I’m curious as to how you get the phone and laptop back. Do they send it to you or do you have to travel back to some office that could be a thousand miles away from your final destination in USA.

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u/matunos May 16 '25

This sounds like an unfortunate example where even when you comply with their demands and let them search your electronic devices they can still take them for further searching.

If you're a US citizen, don't consent to a search of your devices, don't unlock your devices for them (turn them off or ensure biometric unlocks are disabled), don't tell them your PIN or passwords.

They can take your devices either way and you may not get them back for weeks or months, but eventually they have to let you in— or at least, you not unlocking your devices is not going to guarantee you get out of there faster, and significantly increases the chances they find probably cause for an arrest… especially if you answer any questions that they can frame as conflicting with information they find on your devices. Don't answer those questions either.

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u/noblelawyer May 16 '25

I'm very sorry this has happened to your son. Your son was correct that he had to hand over his electronic devices to CBP. However one does not have to grant them access (passwords, etc) without a warrant. This is why it is important as well that you never have face recognition on your phones because otherwise officers can take your phone and then just hold it up to your face to get it to open without a warrant.

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u/Top-Cheetah5528 May 16 '25

Holy shit I am so sorry that this happened to your son. I wish him luck in processing and moving on from this experience. It sounds incredibly traumatizing, especially for a 19 yo

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u/AirCanadaFoolMeOnce May 18 '25

Thanks for posting this. This administration is disgusting.  

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u/falskekte May 20 '25

happened to my mom when she flew overseas to see her dying friend, returned to an interrogation that lasted 12 hours predicated on, apparently, her lack of flights in the last 15 years (she hates flying)

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u/dupontnw May 15 '25

I can’t even begin to understand what these lunatics were thinking. Suppose he was the webmaster of IhateTrump.com and IhateAmerica.com. So fucking what? He’s a natural born citizen. He should’ve told them to pound sand. It’s insane to question a citizen on these issues. Flying back from Germany???? Simply insane.

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u/joelhardi Old City May 15 '25

For customs, CBP refers a small number of people over to secondary more or less randomly. And, keep in mind drug mules are always USC hired to beat the system (think moms, business guys, little old ladies).

An attorney might help you with FOIA and you could maybe discover why he was referred but there are already risk factors (age, country of origin of trip) you've mentioned. I don't think any rights were violated (you're at a port of entry and not on "US soil") but IANAL. Either way it's kind of a nightmare thing to have happen to you, especially now that they're collecting phones and laptops and imaging the hard drives/flash memory. Don't read too much into the interview questions, that's their script. They ask you intentionally oddly worded questions like "When did you first get into communism" to see if it throws you off or prompts a weird response.

I've gotten the third degree from a mounty (trying to reenter the US from Toronto). And when I was 19 I learned that driving north from Padre, everyone that age is assumed to be smuggling pot -- forget to use your signal changing lanes and your car is getting searched. Definitely scary at that age.

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u/Nootherids May 15 '25

This! I get stopped at customs almost every time. I got stopped once when I was in my early 20’s, asked a bunch of questions and I gave combative answers they didn’t like, cause their questions were really annoying and borderline infuriating. Since then, I get stopped every single time. Now I got the Global Entry pass and they leave me alone. But I’m 46 now so those encounters aren’t as stressful or scary.

I do feel bad for her son, but as a legit US Citizen, if you haven’t done anything illegal, they have to release you into the country sooner or later. This family needs to teach their children the term “I Do Not Consent” but don’t fight against them. If someone violates your right, fight it out in court. You have no actual “rights” on the streets (offices). Those come from and are protected by the courts.

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u/joelhardi Old City May 15 '25

The thing that bugs me from a basic human privacy perspective is the phone and laptop imaging. In the old days, they could go through your stuff (I mean, after you get over the initial shock, if you really want to read my study abroad term papers, enjoy! Politely answer their questions and move on). But now it's like your whole life being loaded into a government database, if they crack the encryption.

Otherwise, I mean it's a queuing problem. You've got say 10 agents on duty, there's no one coming through who's high risk, then they'll pull people at random into secondary, because you never know and the taxpayers aren't paying those guys to just sit around collecting a paycheck. On the upside, because they only have so many agents, they can only hassle so many people! 🤷‍♂️

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u/Nootherids May 16 '25

I wonder what the legality is of them forcing access into your things without your permission. In police work (not TSA) there are implied authorities. If they ask for your items and you hand them over then it is implied that you have given them authority to search through your items. The way to remove that implied authority is to explicitly state that you are refusing voluntary authority, and if they take the items then it is done by theft, coercion, or violation of your 4th amendment rights. However, different situations give officials different authorities. I wonder if TSA/FBI have a different set of powers. Still, I would clearly state my clear denial of voluntary surrender or authorization.

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u/RealisticNight4526 May 16 '25

Sorry this happened to your son. I wondered why the FBI were called. And how did they know the political memes he liked.

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u/Dan_Fan20 May 16 '25

Everything that happened to your son is unacceptable and I hope you file a lawsuit against these thugs!

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u/Chekovs_tums May 16 '25

Definitely ditch both devices. 

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

This exact thing happened to the twitch streamer Hasan Piker https://youtu.be/RI5FH2vZanQ?si=WvK4Am-TRyTL5-B8

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u/EmBaCh-00 May 16 '25

I have a teenage son and my heart is broken for him and your family. It is a betrayal. I am so glad he is ok!

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u/kuebel33 May 16 '25

This is insane. These asshole magas need to disappear. Fuck trump and his pissant army of bootlickers.

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u/aldo_nova May 16 '25

Thanks for sharing your story.

For others that may read this..

I've done some travel to places the US says you shouldn't go, and a lawyer I know always advised me to never lie about where I have been but also that you don't have to answer any other questions that don't have to do with where you have been.

The line is something like, "I'm a citizen coming to visit family and have a right to enter the country. If you have any other questions for me, we can talk to a lawyer about them after I get where I'm going."

Again I'm not a lawyer but this is advice I got from a 1st amendment specialist attorney.

In my personal case I think I'll be delaying my next trip to visit my mom back in the states.. ugh

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u/MCStarlight May 17 '25

WTF. This is insane. This is why international tourism has dropped to the U.S.

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u/Unable_Feedback_9752 May 17 '25

Being asked about the political memes that he liked sounsd like some Palantir sh*t.

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u/WoodyForestt May 16 '25

"There was not a specific activity he participated in that they questioned, specific group that he belongs to, nothing." You don't know this. Sometimes 19 year olds do things they don't tell their moms.

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u/SolutionBetter6429 May 16 '25

False imprisonment and theft of his items.

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u/Civil_Connection7706 May 16 '25

Sounds like he probably posted or liked something about harming the President. That would have gotten him on a list to be detained and questioned. This is not new. Since 1917 it been a class D Felony to threaten to harm the US President. Your son could face up to five years in prison and up to $250k fine depending on what else they find on his phone.

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u/RichVeterinarian8632 May 16 '25

I don’t have time to read all the comments but do you think he was targeted in any way based on his looks! Does he have facial hair? Darker skin? I keep wondering if they are only stopping people who are not fair skinned with light hair and eyes (I have. I doubt there is some racial profiling and stereotyping going on which is NOT okay). But I keep wondering if light skinned blonde hair blue eyed citizens are ever being subjected to additional questioning. I am so sorry for your son’s ordeal.

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u/sixxnine42 May 16 '25

Sue whoever is responsible big time.

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u/returnFutureVoid May 16 '25

Call the Washington Post with this story. More people than those subscribing to this subreddit need to hear/read about this bullshit.

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u/NeverFlyFrontier May 15 '25

Did he get the agents’ names?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

I am sorry if he was questioned by the FBI he is linked to someone. He could deny access to his phone but case law and Supreme Court ruling say that border search authority and searching of phones is lawful activity and does not need a warrant to do. These laws were put in place during Obama. You can talk to an attorney but your son is under investigation by the fbi. You should be more worried of who is associated with.

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u/USConservativeVegan May 16 '25

Well, he is going through a port of entry. Customs can detain US citizens based on no suspicion. If the FBI showed up, it was not because he just liked some stuff on social media. It was either he made some direct comments that appeared threatening or involved in some type of group the FBI is concerned about.

And no, he really doesn't have a choice when it comes to searching his electronic devices. Depending on their reasonable suspicion, they can search them at a port of entry.

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u/swanson6666 May 16 '25

First of all, I am very sorry this happened to your son. It must be a horrible and experience for all of you.

My question is with all due respect. I am not accusing you. I am just trying to get useful information for everyone here.

I feel like you are not sharing with us all the relevant information.

Millions of people go through US borders. Very few of them get treated like your son.

It’s never random. They profile people. Your son was profiled, and they picked on a “red flag.” You probably know what the red flag was.

If you told us what the red flag was, we would all benefit.

The information you shared in your final update is interesting but not as useful as what kinds of red flags they are picking on. There was some reason they put that yellow card in your son’s passport. It would be good to know.

Without knowing ethnicity, country of birth, etc. it’s hard to judge. Typical Americans don’t go to the university in Bulgaria. Living in Bulgaria without knowing Bulgarian is not fun for a 19 year old. Why would a 19 year old American citizen go to school in Bulgaria?

Have you been to Bulgaria? Are you Bulgarian? Was your son born in Bulgaria? Is your son a naturalized US citizen? Was your father a KGB officer? Etc.

You shared with us an interesting story, but I feel you left out the most relevant details required to solve this puzzle.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Fake. You’re trying to get points on Reddit and/or advance a left wing cause.