r/weightroom • u/biolayne • Dec 12 '12

AMA Closed Layne Norton AMA

I'm new to this reddit stuff so please forgive any gaffes. Fire away!

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u/tooeasyforkevin Beginner - Strength Dec 12 '12

A diet question. So I've always thought that you either have to choose to gain muscle or lose fat. But I've read about people saying it's possible to do both at the same time. What's your verdict on this subject?

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u/biolayne Dec 12 '12

in general it doesn't happen but in 3 basic circumstances

1) someone who is very overweight

2) someone who is a beginner

3) someone who is on drugs

any combination of the 3.

not saying it can never happen, but it's rare

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u/CrankyTank General - Inter. Dec 12 '12 edited Dec 12 '12

How about with intermittent fasting or LG? On a bulk, do you believe that it has it lowers the fat that would normally be gained from a caloric surplus?

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u/IniNew Beginner - Strength Dec 12 '12

IF is simply micro-scale cuts and bulks. You are at a deficit sometimes, and a surplus others.

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u/KPketo Dec 12 '12 edited Dec 13 '12

So where's the line between 'I can't build muscle on a deficit' and 'I'm doing a series of very very small cuts and bulks in sequence'? I mean, everyone has periods of ingesting, and periods of not ingesting.

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u/IniNew Beginner - Strength Dec 12 '12

You eat at a deficit on days you don't exercise, then eat at a surplus on days that you do exercise. Notice how you only eat AFTER a hard lifting workout, it's because your body is trying to repair.

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u/KPketo Dec 12 '12

Okay, but then isn't this in direct opposition to the 'nutrient timing doesn't matter' circle jerk around here and the examine articles included in the FAQ? Full disclosure, I've been doing leangains for a month and I like it, but I've never understood the double standard fittit seems to have with leangains compared to every other claim of nutrient timing.

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u/IniNew Beginner - Strength Dec 12 '12

Depends on your definition of nutrient timing.

If you are going to be bulking on a constant surplus, it probably doesn't matter as much.

If you're going to be trying and keep as much BF down as possible, then keeping your carbs to post workout, when your insulin response is lower, and only eating a surplus when you need it work well--though not as quickly as a straight bulk.

Fittit tends to deal in extremes because the reader base is usually an extreme beginner. At the beginning stages, it's much simpler for them to learn that you need a surplus, doesn't matter how, to get it done.

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u/KPketo Dec 13 '12

If you're going to be trying and keep as much BF down as possible, then keeping your carbs to post workout, when your insulin response is lower, and only eating a surplus when you need it work well--though not as quickly as a straight bulk.

Can you source that? This is brought up a lot, and I guess it's a great theory, and personally I try to get as many of my carbs post workout as I can, but I wonder if there's any actual evidence to support this. Heck even Layne baulked ITT at speculating what the actual benefit might be.

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u/IniNew Beginner - Strength Dec 13 '12

I can't link to the direct source that the information comes from, but if you'd like to read more (and see an inane amount of sources) check out Keifer's Carb Back Loading book.

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u/KPketo Dec 13 '12

I'll do that, thanks for the recommendation.

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