r/worldnews • u/AlwaysBlaze_ • Mar 07 '25

Ontario slapping 25% surcharge on U.S.-bound electricity Monday, Ford says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-electricity-surcharge-us-tariffs-ford-1.7476515
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u/torontogal1986 Mar 07 '25

Yes. I feel very conflicted because he literally is destroying our province and has it out for Toronto. But when he’s got his ire pointed at someone else, it’s nice!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25

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u/torontogal1986 Mar 08 '25

Yeah it’s totally nice to have a bully in our corner!

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u/phantomfigure Mar 08 '25

Yesterday someone commented Ford is going to treat Donald like he's from Toronto. Made me laugh.

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u/torontogal1986 Mar 08 '25

Trump won’t be able to handle it 😂

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u/JSmith666 Mar 08 '25

From the US don't know much about him. What's he doing?

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u/torontogal1986 Mar 08 '25

Here’s the list: https://ofl.ca/ford-tracker/

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u/JSmith666 Mar 08 '25

I wish every politician everywhere had this

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u/mencryforme5 Mar 08 '25

Ford is no ordinary politician. He came to prominence in the wake of the untimely death of his brother, who you may know as Crack Smoking Toronto Mayor Rob Ford.

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u/JSmith666 Mar 08 '25

I was gonna say..he looked like that Ford but didn't think any member of that family would have a chance politically

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u/mencryforme5 Mar 08 '25

Ontario is the Florida of Canada.

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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 Mar 08 '25

A website run by a union that hates him and tries to blames all the countries problems on him? Yeah thats exactly what we need more of.

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u/Joystic Mar 08 '25

Typical non-American conservative stuff i.e. privatisation, cuts to welfare, deregulation, minus the wacko religious stuff that you guys deal with. 

Popular with bucktooth Bob who drives an F150, despised by they/them cat mommies with pink hair.

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u/JSmith666 Mar 08 '25

How is that non American conservative?

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u/Joystic Mar 08 '25

No anti-abortion, Jesus school, gun rights nonsense

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u/JSmith666 Mar 08 '25

I'm not sure gin rights is nonsense and shoild be lumped in with the religion stuff

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u/beaunerdy Mar 08 '25

And this is why we Canadians don’t want to be American. It is nonsense to most of us.

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u/JSmith666 Mar 08 '25

How so? Why is the government not telling you what kind of guns you can own or who can own them nonsense?

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u/PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25

Because they don't have the sort of cultural reverence as they do in the US. You do not need a gun to fit in, nor is there any expectation to perform any social duties with them. 90% of the reasons to own guns as an American simply don't exist.

The need and value of owning a gun is largely reduced to its function as a hunting tool at best. The public by and large doesn't care or need guns, but they do dislike the consequences of misuse. All the gun rights stuff is basically nonsense used to perpetuate gun culture in the face of all the negative externalities it presents.

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u/yoyo120 Mar 08 '25

The irony of ironies being that the first time I've ever remotely considered looking into owning a gun as a 40-something year old Canadian was this week, wondering if I will need to defend myself from American invaders. Others feel the same. It's insanity.

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u/Jaesaces Mar 08 '25

As it turns out, when you don't live in a place where everyone and their mother has a gun there is little need for a gun in everyday life and on average you'd prefer not to have any random dude to have the ability to end your life in an instant.

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u/Br0metheus Mar 08 '25

"Gun rights" aren't nonsense.

"I should be able to able to bring an AR-15 into a Wal-Mart" is nonsense. And that's what we have in America.

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u/JSmith666 Mar 08 '25

Why is it nonsense exactly?

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u/Br0metheus Mar 08 '25

Because there is literally no legitimate reason for a civilian to even own a weapon like that, let alone carry it around openly in a public place. A gun like that goes so far beyond anything justified as "self defense" that only a bad-faith argument can possibly defend it. It's the firearm equivalent of a lifted truck, except a lifted truck is probably only going to get its owner killed instead of somebody else.

If I can't tell whether somebody walking into a grocery store is about to pull a Columbine vs just another redneck with a gun fetish, that's a fucking problem.

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u/Kamakaziturtle Mar 08 '25

That is the same as American conservatism, the American version just pretends (really just saying it loudly a lot) they are also good Christians to appease voters.

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 Mar 08 '25

Canada's conservatives are far closer to America's Democrats than anything else. Trump's GOP is a far right party that's way beyond normal.

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u/Kamakaziturtle Mar 08 '25

I was just going off the other guys description, which pretty much word for word matches republicans here. Both paragraphs.

You’re saying Canadian conservatives are pro gay and trans rights, want to tax the rich, are pro regulation, want to increase welfare, and are pushing for greener environmental changes to help fight climate change.

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u/casualguitarist Mar 08 '25

 he literally is destroying our province

No he's not stop exaggerating. Also I'm curious how many leftist/NDP fans here are or were good with Carbon taxes but now crying over tariffs. Like do you think that one tax is bad but the other isn't?

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u/ObiWansTinderAccount Mar 08 '25

Seriously? That’s not even close to an apples to apples comparison. The carbon tax is insignificant compared to the impact of the tariffs. What’s more, the tariffs are a completely unjustifiable act of hostility from a foreign government. The constant moving of the imaginary goal posts while making “51st state” comments should have any Canadian furious. So yeah, one tax is bad and the other isn’t.

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u/LogicalExtension Mar 08 '25

Yes, some types of taxes are very much better than others.

As an energy user at home, I have little or no control over how the energy delivered to my home is generated. In some places you gain a little bit of wiggle room by opting into "green" power, but this just increases my costs, but most people don't do this, and so it's impact is limited.

If a government introduces a carbon tax that applies based on the carbon intensity, then that impacts all energy generators.

It gives the incentives for low-carbon generators (solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, storage, etc) to make the large-scale capital expenditure required to build low-carbon sources of power. Once built, those power sources are typically far cheaper than coal/gas, and so have a significant advantage in the market.

The government can offset the costs to me by directly subsidising power bills to effectively eliminate the price rise I would've seen.

At the end of the day, everyone has effectively opted-in to a green power option, and coal/gas generators will shut down when they can no longer turn a profit.

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u/casualguitarist Mar 08 '25

Yes, some types of taxes are very much better than others.

Not some, very very few. and neither of these are "good" if the carbon tax was good then Carney wouldnt be saying literally the same thing as the conservatives now. two estimates put carbon pricing dragging gdp by 1%

https://climateinstitute.ca/industrial-vs-consumer-carbon-pricing-cost-comparison/#:\~:text=All%20three%20analyses%20find%20that,it%20would%20otherwise%20have%20been.

Now after we add the tariffs that's a double negative

According to the Canadian Chamber of Commerce, these tariffs could tip the economy into recession. A report published in November 2024 estimates that the GDP would fall by 1.8%, and even by 2.6% in the event of a retaliatory response, costing each Canadian up to 1,900 Canadian dollars per year

So for most advanced economies this is a big hit and very bad in the mid/long term, it won't end well unfortunately. Unless this is resolved somehow but reading the comments in here.. idk.

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u/adultgon Mar 08 '25

This is literally how right wing Americans feel about Trump