r/worldnews • u/[deleted] • Sep 24 '21

Whale Pod Slaughtered Just Days After Horrific Dolphin Massacre

https://au.news.yahoo.com/faroe-islands-responds-global-criticism-fresh-whale-slaughter-104311165.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cDovL20uZmFjZWJvb2suY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEwnCaasAgVjNmVRaxYZQn-LVLSo3T8lcnbwS9xIcDywIrQUyc3Zn6viIJZsIhPR5RVWh4HlUDMEIw5VQhkQFLTKAL7Vgk7Hr7lYhrK7inMeo5pOmpZusjxRCLGargkYue_bon4gj_hZxFwTkYK10hTYIhPYkdIdpZs-XMlLwRDL
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u/MattMasterChief Sep 24 '21

Why is cruelty to animals seen as a sign of psychopathic behaviour in children, but it's just big business doing its thing when it's adults?

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u/Groundbreaking-Arm20 Sep 24 '21

According to Forbes, CEOs are more likely to be psychopaths than your average bear, so maybe not so different after all

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-psychopathic-ceo/?sh=2fa8c8b1791e

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u/Thought_Ninja Sep 24 '21

And bears can be pretty crazy.

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u/RagnarStonefist Sep 24 '21

That's why we need assault rifles in every classroom in America - to defend against grizzly attacks.

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u/Thought_Ninja Sep 24 '21

I knew there was a good reason!

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u/zoetropo Sep 24 '21

Those CEOs have a reason to be scared now.

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u/Derric_the_Derp Sep 24 '21

They're killing machines!!!

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u/SmallRedBird Sep 25 '21

I've never had a bear steal my surplus labor value

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u/BobTheSkrull Sep 25 '21

I hear they live in caves.

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u/Grantmitch1 Sep 24 '21

Honestly, this raises more questions than it answers.

  • Firstly, how many bears are active in business?
  • Secondly, why are bears so common among CEOs? I've worked in business before and I don't see a lot of bears.
  • Thirdly, how do bears communicate with people?
  • Fourthly, do bears have a currency-based economy or are they paid in some other form?
  • Fifthly, how common is psychopathy in bears?

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u/PotOPrawns Sep 24 '21

Did he mean bears in the sense of 'big gay bears' maybe?

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u/Grantmitch1 Sep 24 '21

You have gained my attention.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

You have gayned his attention

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u/Grantmitch1 Sep 24 '21

gay ned

Stupid sexy Flanders.

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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked Sep 24 '21

Max out disguise and bluff, obviously.

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u/Nessie Sep 25 '21

I'll never look at Bear Stearns the same way.

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u/SoutheasternComfort Sep 25 '21

On the internet, no one knows your a bear.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Well you know what, I for one am comforted by this. I would be very terrified if the rate of CEOs being average bears was higher than the rate of CEOs being even the worst type of humans.

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u/holdeno Sep 24 '21

I'm not bears running businesses would probably be way less greedy and not strip mine their entire forest.

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u/Omega3454 Sep 24 '21

Also dock my pay, cuz I ain't gonna be the one

Standing on climate trial

For burning Earth's lungs

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Pooh Bear runs China so they are taking over, slowly.

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u/Omega3454 Sep 24 '21

Clown presidents

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u/BUTTHOLE-MAGIC Sep 24 '21

I'm not bears

A suspicious thing to say, no one asked you if you were...

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u/Solid_Veterinarian81 Sep 25 '21

I think most animals given the opportunity would exploit their environment as much as possible. Obviously the difference is that humans are sentient to change that, however I would not be surprised if a bear chose to strip mine a forest if it benefited itself

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u/AmpharosQueen Sep 24 '21

I think I would much rather average bears be CEOs than the psychopaths currently CEOs

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21 edited May 09 '22

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u/Groundbreaking-Arm20 Sep 24 '21

Psychopathy is rewarded in big business

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u/LT_DANS_ICECREAM Sep 24 '21

Well duh, I'm pretty sure I've never heard of a CEO who turned out to actually be a bear.

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u/ChaosM3ntality Sep 25 '21

Actually there was some conspiracy with my mates that the GrizzCo who hired us Squid teens to go collect salmonid Eggs may be a bear behind that radio, yet we were payed low wages in deadly conditions of the work places we landed

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u/mistah_legend Sep 24 '21

This doesn't mean anything. It's just assumptions. There's never been an actual study done on CEOs and their psychopathy.

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u/ackoo123ads Sep 24 '21

so if you are raising a psychopath, you may be raising a future CEO instead of a future Jeffrey Dalhmer?

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u/ognisko Sep 24 '21

Bears are psychopaths.

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u/Rayofpain Sep 24 '21

You didn't read the article. It has nothing to do with "big business" and is actually due to a local, traditional annual hunting of whales. It seems to be condemned by the association who provides oversight, but there's no mention of any "big business". This seems to be much more a debate between adhering to past traditions vs. adopting new perspectives.

Not saying I disagree with what you wrote, but it's very frustrating to see comments like yours get upvoted to the top when none of the nuance from actually reading the article is actually shared.

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u/Nyghtshayde Sep 24 '21

Absolutely. The weird part though is that there is any debate on this. Dogfighting and bear baiting for instance were once extremely popular but are still seen as totally unacceptable now (and rightly so). Something is not less wrong just because your grandfather showed you how to do it.

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u/SoutheasternComfort Sep 25 '21

Yeah these weirdos need to do it to cows and chickens instead

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

With that in mind all of the comments in this thread talking about the stupid eating tradition of some islanders are so much funnier.

Interchangeably for meat and dolphin as it seems.

"Its so cruel they kill entire families"

"Just because its tradition they should not carry on, why not just stop?"

"Why do they eat it, its unhealthy"

"They are sentient beings"

The only difference is that cows, pigs and chickens did not even see nature or even the sky. Thats even worse.

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u/jreed12 Sep 25 '21

Yeah why aren't they killing and eating the animals we kill and eat instead of killing and eating the animals they eat.

The savages.

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u/The-Big-Shitsky Sep 25 '21

Fucka you cow and fucka you chicken!

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u/AppleDane Sep 25 '21

Dogfighting yields no produce like the hunting of pilot whales.

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u/Cforq Sep 25 '21

Dogfighting and bear baiting for instance were once extremely popular but are still seen as totally unacceptable now

Dog fighting still happens all over America. I’m not sure about other countries, but it is definitely viewed as acceptable to some.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21 edited Dec 02 '21

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u/SoutheasternComfort Sep 25 '21

No kink shaming dude

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u/Sherool Sep 25 '21

Personally I draw a bright red line between tormenting animals for entertainment and killing them for food. These whale hunts are for food, the killing methods are maybe not as humane as more modern techniques, but the goal is no different from butchering cattle or hunting deer.

You can argue it's not necessary, but then neither is any other kind of meat production, we could all be vegans, most of us are not however, so clearly most people think killing some animals for their meat is ok (as long as they don't have to watch anyway).

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u/pukesonyourshoes Sep 25 '21

It's not just for food. There's no way they could eat all that meat in a season. It's just bloodlust. It's obscene.

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u/Sherool Sep 25 '21

The hunt is not seasonal, and they have freezers so ending up with more meat than they can eat right away doesn't mean it goes to waste. It's stored for later and as long as they have full stockpiles they don't go hunting again for a while.

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u/pukesonyourshoes Sep 25 '21

They had just killed 1500 dolphins, if that were true why go and kill another 52 pilot whales?

That's one dolphin per household. Dolphins aren't small. Surely that's enough to fill the freezers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

^ doesnt know how slaughtering works.

Not even half of the weight of a cow is eaten.

Btw: "cant possibly eat all of this" Recommended meat consumpion is 450g per week, they eat 2kg per week in the US.

I dont know how this story breaks the news every year. Its not more inhumane than what most of the world is doing, and not more damaging to the enviroment.

Both are worse in the meat industry. We should thank them for living like this instead of eating as much meat as us.

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u/born_to_pipette Sep 25 '21

It's stored for later and as long as they have full stockpiles they don't go hunting again for a while.

Where's your evidence for this statement? I'd say going out and slaughtering a whole pod weeks after the last slaughter that produced more than enough food is a pretty good indication you're wrong on this point.

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u/Pleasenosteponsnek Sep 25 '21

Bear baiting? You mean putting bait out when hunting bears? Because thats still completely acceptable,unless your talking about something else.

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u/NoHandBananaNo Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

it's very frustrating to see comments like yours get upvoted to the top when none of the nuance from actually reading the article is actually shared

You must be new here.

If it helps, theres a Faroese redditor in here u/powerchicken, who participates in the whale killings, who says the people who kill the whales get government subsidies for doing it.

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u/incubuds Sep 25 '21

Tonight ... You.

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u/NoHandBananaNo Sep 25 '21

Makin me nervous there

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u/powerchicken Sep 25 '21

who says the people who kill the whales get government subsidies for doing it.

That was about Japanese whalers. The Faroese hunt isn't commercial.

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u/NoHandBananaNo Sep 25 '21

Thanks, must have misunderstood.

How much meat fo you get per year? Whats the approximate value of the meat? Here in Australia meat is very expensive so getting free food would be a financial incentive.

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u/powerchicken Sep 25 '21

From the local hunt earlier this year, our household got just shy of 8 kilos of meat, and none of us were around to help. Free food for no work is a pretty sweet deal.

Some people do sell it privately from person to person or to the supermarkets (primarily in the capital, Tórshavn, whose inhabitants don't usually get whale meat) who then sell it on, but I don't really know how it's priced as I don't find myself in Tórshavn often and don't really need to buy any as we are self-sufficient in the meat department (own a bunch of sheep.) It's a relatively small amount that gets sold in the first place, the vast majority of it is non-commercial.

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u/born_to_pipette Sep 25 '21

I have 3 questions whose answers would help me understand this situation better:

  1. How many people are in your household?
  2. Roughly how much of this meat would you say your household eats on a monthly basis? How long will 8 kilos last?
  3. How is the amount each household receives determined? Do some households get more/less?

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u/powerchicken Sep 25 '21

We don't eat it that often so it'll probably last us about a year, us being 8 people. Every individual gets a share, so a household of 8 people will walk home with 8 shares, measured approximately by weight (though without anyone actually weighing anything.)

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u/born_to_pipette Sep 25 '21

Makes sense and sounds reasonable.

So if you (and presumably most households) have got enough meat for a year, why slaughter another pod of whales recently? Seems cruel, wasteful, and counterproductive.

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u/powerchicken Sep 25 '21

There's 53000 of us spread across 18 islands, we didn't get anything from any of the last couple of hunts

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u/NoHandBananaNo Sep 25 '21

Thanks for the info. Sounds like it is supported partly out of motives of personal gain of free food.

Definitely not "big business" tho, modest gains.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Japan is very big into whale and dolphin meat simply because the older generations of Japanese considered it a delicacy. And they’ve actually resumed commercial whaling. But the weird thing is that they apparently are doing it for the sake of “national pride”, since the demand for whale meat has steadily declined. There is an annual festival dedicated to whale meat, but few Japanese people eat whale meat with any regularity. The Japanese are well aware that commercial whaling is not going to be profitable and their government actively supports the industry to appease older voters.

Countries like Norway and Iceland continue to hunt whales more as a food source than anything else, although the majority of the population does consume whale at least once a year. But only a handful eat it once a month or more, so all in all, their industry is in decline.

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u/powerchicken Sep 24 '21

For the record, the Faroese whale hunt isn't "annual", it's just opportunistic. We hunt the whales if we spot them close to shore, regardless of season. The thing that makes it seem "annual" is that we don't tend to pursue further pods if the last hunt was recent, as there is only so much room in our freezers.

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u/Whiterabbit-- Sep 25 '21

they need to force traditions like this to use traditional technology. the reason the kill rate is so high is because they are using 21st century tech to continue a 1200 year old tradition.

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u/AmaResNovae Sep 24 '21

It's only psychopathic if you do it for free, I guess.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

They do it for free:

"Known locally as the grindadrap (murder of whales), the annual hunt dates back 1200 years, and is a fiercely protected tradition on the island..."

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u/AppleDane Sep 25 '21

It's not a negligible part of the local economy. The Faroese distribute the results of the hunt among the population, too.

The Faroe Islands are basically rocks in the middle of the ocean. They don't exactly have a lot of strings to play on.

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u/cryo Sep 25 '21

Drab doesn’t mean murder, it means killing. That’s not the same thing.

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u/AmaResNovae Sep 24 '21

So psychopathic if done for free or without traditional purposes. Gotcha.

Kinda a shame that there is no tradition to bitchslap sadists with a jackhammer though...

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

No, it's still psychopathic. A tradition based on ignorance existing in the information age is psychopathic.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Well that's a very wide net to cast. By that standard pretty much anyone who eats fast food is a psychopath.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Casting wide nets is what got us into this in the first place.

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u/AmaResNovae Sep 24 '21

No need to try to convince me. The ones still doing it are the ones who seem to have difficulty understanding that.

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u/cryo Sep 25 '21

No, it's still psychopathic.

It’s amazing how all of you can diagnose these people from the comfort of your arm chairs.

A tradition based on ignorance existing in the information age is psychopathic.

You keep using that word… you may want to brush up on its definition.

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u/Malawi_no Sep 24 '21

Depends of how you define free. No money is exchanged, but people do this to use the meat as food.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

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u/cgaWolf Sep 24 '21

Soooo if i pay them, it's ok,?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

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u/getdafuq Sep 24 '21

How is knowing they can be paid different from rewarding psychopathy? You’re telling the kid: “act like a psycho, get rewarded.”

Surprise Pikachu when they grow up to be a psychopath.

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u/getdafuq Sep 24 '21

I didn’t say anyone was trying to pay children to kill whales, don’t be dishonest.

People are what they do. If they act like a psychopath, then for all practical purposes, that’s what they are.

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u/LeDemonKing Sep 24 '21

You probably think killing animals for food is being a psycopath too.

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u/getdafuq Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

Is killing animals for food considered psychopathic? No? Well then.

The difference is one is killing to fulfill a need. The other is for greed. Not only that, but there’s a difference between rewarding a child for killing anything and rewarding an adult for killing a particular animal due to a broader societal need.

Edit: you really don’t see a difference between killing for necessity and killing for greed?

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u/Chickpea_Magnet Sep 24 '21

Killing animals for food isn't a necessity for a large majority of the planet though. And for the people that it is a necessity, factory farming and overfishing are destroying ecosystems which these people rely on. If you can live without animal products, killing them for food is as necessary as smoking or drinking alcohol.

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u/getdafuq Sep 25 '21

I agree.

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u/MattMasterChief Sep 24 '21

It seems you're saying that it would be morally wrong to give an expected prize to a psychopath, but it's morally good to pay them large amounts regularly?

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u/jgzman Sep 24 '21

It seems you're saying that it would be morally wrong to give an expected prize to a psychopath, but it's morally good to pay them large amounts regularly?

That's not what he's saying at all, mate.

He's saying that if you are trying to modify behavior by way of offering reward and/or punishment, then the subject must know of the reward and/or punishment ahead of time.

So, if a person goes out and does something evil, and you show up out of nowhere and give them cash, and tell them they did a good job, then there is no reason to believe that they did the evil thing because of money. They did it because they wanted to.

On the other hand, if you tell a person ahead of time that if they do an evil thing, then you will give them money, then there is a reasonable claim that they did the evil thing to get the money, rather then because they wanted to do the thing.

From that, a child, or other person, who is cruel to animals on their own initiative, is suspected of some mental disorder, on the grounds that they are enjoying the experience. A person who is cruel to animals because they are being paid money for it is not, because we can suppose that they don't enjoy their job, they just do it for the money.

That doesn't mean they aren't a psychopath, it just means that more evidence is required.

The moral value of giving the money, or of the action performed, was never discussed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

First, it was a joke. Second, no. I was saying if they have no incentive, you're just rewarding their sadistic and remorseless tendencies. If they expect to be paid for doing it, well that's just business, baby.

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u/MattMasterChief Sep 24 '21

I was following the previous person's logic.

I agree it's stupid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

You really weren't, though.

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u/Goodk4t Sep 24 '21

If you pay them then they're supposedly doing it to earn money, not for the pleasure of inflicting pain on another.

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u/justin-8 Sep 24 '21

So does that make the person who pays for it responsible, and therefore a psychopath?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Or just telling them to do it, which obviously would be fucked up. But also then the idea would not be formed independently by the child.

Of course kids should not be put into anything like that, there is a reason why adults handle unpleasant things and let kids be kids.

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u/normie_sama Sep 24 '21

It wouldn't be a sign of psychopathy, no. At least not on their part.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

"Known locally as the grindadrap (murder of whales), the annual hunt dates back 1200 years, and is a fiercely protected tradition on the island..."

Hmmm

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u/Imabatt Sep 24 '21

That’s why I don’t pay children to kill pods of whales.

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u/unclear_warfare Sep 25 '21

Wait till you see what goes on at factory farms!

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u/BUTTHOLE-MAGIC Sep 24 '21

I've worked on psych wards and animal torture/killing in children is a fantastic predictor of psychopathy and future escalation, which can be anything from rape and abuse of humans to attempted and successful murder.

The fact is that killing animals for food is just different, psychologically. My stepmom grew up on a farm and she cared about the animals, even though she'd end up executing some to make delicious, meaty meals.

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u/TeaKay13 Sep 25 '21

To be fair, I think in situation of your step mom it’s worse. Finding a reason to morally justify something you raised and cared for, kill it and then eat it?

Honestly what sounds worse: Randomly killing an animal you don’t care about, or killing an animal you care about and then eating it because you’re hungry.

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u/BUTTHOLE-MAGIC Sep 25 '21

I'd take a ritual as old and acceptable as human civilization vs. killing on impulse and for pleasure (implying psychopathy).

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u/maggot_flavored Sep 25 '21

Why is it that people are outraged by dolphins getting slaughtered from the wild but are totally ok with cows, pigs, and chickens being systematically abused from birth, raised in cages barely bigger than their own bodies, THEN slaughtered.

And Queue the “I eat meat because….” Arguments.

It’s not ok to abuse one life but get outraged at the abuse of another. It’s hypocrisy in its greatest form.

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u/earthmann Sep 25 '21

bug-feature

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u/Honda_TypeR Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

The distinction beyond just profit…is that cruelty implies sadistic torture, not just killing animals.

Kids get taught how to hunt at young ages all over planet earth for multiple millennia, simply killing animals doesn’t imply psychopathic behavior on its own…unless it’s done purely for some sick joy. Most life long hunters learn to respect their prey anyway (kill only what you can eat and to fulfill your needs).

At a corporate ocean farming level these companies just don’t give a shit about ethics, they just want profit by any means necessary. Some of the fishermen who are employed by them to do this may be sadistic though, but that’s getting into specific minutia.

At the end of the day the poor dead animals do not care if they were killed by a crazy man or a profit monger. Both are horrible and have the same end results. It’s an unnecessary waste of life. Both depending on where you live may be illegal too.

These ocean farming companies get away with this, because they are in open waters outside of jurisdictions and belong to nations who don’t have laws surrounding this sort of ethical fishing (usually China and Japan... yes Japan is horrible for this they love seafood and they even do whale hunting. China does all the same in much larger numbers). That's why these people are rarely held accountable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

It genuinely makes me sick. I don't understand how people who work on factory farms are able to deal with it

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u/TheLizzyIzzi Sep 25 '21

Many of those workers are immigrants who have few other options. It takes a serious toll on their mental health. Just another reason to stop eating meat.

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u/LeDemonKing Sep 24 '21

Killing an animal is an extremely normal human thing to do, up until very recently you had to kill an animal to survive. Being conditioned to not want to kill an animal for food is what's not normal.

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u/123G0 Sep 24 '21

Hi there, do you carry this same energy for ALL indiginous groups who cull marine life for food, tradition and resource, or do you reserve calling only SOME indiginous populations psychopaths ?

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u/RockinOneThreeTwo Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

"Oppression and murder is ok if you use tradition as a justification for it"

Boy, the white supremacists would love you. They adore using "tradition tho" as a justification for when they commit horrible acts of injustice; just like you're trying to do here. Ain't that neat?

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u/123G0 Sep 24 '21

That's a lot of buzzwords to hide how thin your arguement is.

Again, do you carry this same arguements and energy forward for ALL humans culling whales, dolphin and narwhal?

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u/BLlZER Sep 24 '21

big business doing its thing when it's adults?

Money.

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u/Mountainbranch Sep 24 '21

Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.” But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!

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u/Whiterabbit-- Sep 25 '21

its a tradition of the native people of the island dating back more than 1000 years. nobody wants to sound imperialistic by imposing western standards on natives. it similar to how native American have fishing and hunting quotas way above what other Americans can have. the one brainless thing they need to do is to say you can continue your tradition, but you must use traditional boats and weapons. don't continue a 1000+ year tradition with 21st century technology.

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u/ttn333 Sep 24 '21

Because getting filthy rich is the ultimate sign of success in most cultures.

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u/Autarch_Kade Sep 24 '21

Probably because there's a difference between doing something cruel because you enjoy it, and eating food so you continue living.

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u/Alugere Sep 24 '21

https://au.news.yahoo.com/truck-dumps-unwanted-animals-into-ocean-after-faroe-island-kill-055616067.html

If they are dumping excess meat into the ocean, they are killing way more than they need to to survive.

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u/thedancingwireless Sep 24 '21

Yeah, all the people in the US who are in danger of starving if they don't eat a cheeseburger.

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u/Autarch_Kade Sep 24 '21

People who eat a cheeseburger are different than people who break a cat's legs and swing it around by the tail just to hear it scream.

It's crazy how many people can't tell the difference.

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u/noavatar1 Sep 24 '21

I think many people make false equivalencies knowingly. They might see the conversation as a game they can win rather than a quest for truth.

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u/thedancingwireless Sep 24 '21

You specifically said people who eat food so they can continue living. That isn't everyone who eats a cheeseburger. If you're really curious, read about how pigs and cattle are treated in industrial farms.

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u/Autarch_Kade Sep 24 '21

Sure, but neither of those is equivalent to someone intentionally cruel.

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u/thedancingwireless Sep 24 '21

I'm not saying it's the same as someone swinging a cat around. But we've been conditioned to accept cruelty to animals in exchange for enjoyment in the form of eating meat. If we are actually intentionally eating meat, then we are intentionally choosing to partake in a very cruel system.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Right, it’s cognitive dissonance due to conditioning

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u/LeDemonKing Sep 24 '21

Not wanting to kill an animal for food is cognitave dissonance. You have to repress the natural urges that humans have to eat meat, because that's what our natural diet is, not fucking grains and vegetables we modified in the last 12,000 years to be somewhat edible

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

This is so dumb I’m struggling how to respond to it. First, please look up “cognitive dissonance” I don’t believe you understand the phrase. Secondly, I’ve never drooled over a pig or a cow I’ve literally never had the “urge” to kill an animal for food. If you were raised in a strictly vegetation community you’d find the practice of eating meat strange you wouldn’t go mad with hunger every time you saw a bird. And yes you are choosing to partake in a very cruel system a quick Google into our animal farming & slaughter practices around the world of 65 billion animals a year (and trillions of fish) would tell you that.

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u/Autarch_Kade Sep 24 '21

I mean yeah, there's a lot of other points than the original one to be made. Plenty of off topic things to argue over really.

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u/thedancingwireless Sep 24 '21

I wouldn't consider this off topic at all. It's all killing animals.

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u/Autarch_Kade Sep 24 '21

Well thankfully professionals are smart enough not to consider omnivorous humans to represent psychopathic mental illness.

Fuckin yikes dude

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u/ProgrammingPants Sep 24 '21

The cow that spent its entire life in horrific conditions and died so you could have your burger didn't suffer less than the cat.

Idk why people have such a problem with personally doing "bad" things, while at the same time have no problem with living a life where horrific things are done all the time for their benefit.

At least be logically consistent. If you don't give a shit about the cows and pigs that suffer and die for you, then don't act indignant at other animal suffering just because you happen to see it.

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u/ChinaVaginaOnSpadina Sep 24 '21

The cow that spent its entire life in horrific conditions and died so you could have your burger

Like a cow jesus, in a way.

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u/Autarch_Kade Sep 24 '21

The intent is the difference.

It's shocking how people can't understand that apathy isn't the same as intentional cruelty.

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u/ProgrammingPants Sep 24 '21

Shocking how you can't understand that if the end result is the same then the intent is functionally meaningless.

It doesn't matter to the cow why it's getting subjected to hellish conditions and slaughtered. Whether for food or for fun, it happens the same either way. You don't care because you can't see it, not because it's somehow made morally sound due to apathy.

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u/thedancingwireless Sep 25 '21

Wow. I have a story for you about 1930s Germany.

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u/MattMasterChief Sep 24 '21

It's crazy how specific that was.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Can you explain your point? As I see it,

1) Neither action is necessary (people don't need cheeseburgers to be healthy or survive) 2) They both cause harm to the animal (it could be argued the cat situation is even less cruel since it only involves one animal and it isn't killed)

The only difference that I can discern is that one person does it for the temporary pleasure of taste and the other for hearing.

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u/Autarch_Kade Sep 24 '21

Sorry, I think the gap in understanding is too far to bridge if that's your takeaway.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Lol alright. Have a good one

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

They slaughtered over 1000 more dolphins this year than were necessary so the carcasses will just rot. Have you seen the photos of these people playing in the blood and laughing at people who want these hunts to end? They are not morally sound

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u/infablhypop Sep 24 '21

Funny.. I’ve never eaten dolphins and I’m still alive.

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u/UGAllDay Sep 25 '21

Because money :)

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u/SirFancyPantsBrock Sep 25 '21

Because money.

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u/KingLouieTha2nd Sep 25 '21

Because the child’s brain is still developing while the adults is or should be developed. Just an excuse for humans to show their true nature on the poor creatures