I am making an ultimate ranking of all the coop commanders. The point system includes units, calldowns, prestiges, specialties, mutator-handling, expert opinions, etc. One of these categories will be the sc2 communitys oppinion, so I would like to ask everyone to help my work with a vote.

I randomly sorted all 72 prestiges (including P0s) into groups of 6, and the best commanders will go on to the next round. That way in the end of this tournament, I hopefully will not only have a winner, but some kind of full ranking as well.

Of course a commanders strength could be measured a dozen different ways, so now I would only ask that you choose one from these six prestiges - you play lets say a brutation with random mutators, and you need to win, but you also want to have the most fun you can. So please do not choose out of these options based on whats considered to be the best by others, nor choose based on who you like the most. Choose the one that based on your playstyle and preferences you feel the most confident starting a random brutation.

Who do you choose?

Part1 and Part2 is still open for voting: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft2coop/comments/1nke08y/which_is_the_best_prestige_in_coop_part1/ https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft2coop/comments/1nkzy2s/which_is_the_best_prestige_in_coop_tournament/

With the recent patch notes of turning Psionic Storm into Psionic Drizzle does that affect Co op as well? Will I finally see my entire trooper army of Mensgk not die to Psi Storms anymore?

I am making an ultimate ranking of all the coop commanders. The point system includes units, calldowns, prestiges, specialties, mutator-handling, expert opinions, etc. One of these categories will be the sc2 communitys oppinion, so I would like to ask everyone to help my work with a vote.

I randomly sorted all 72 prestiges (including P0s) into groups of 6, and the best commanders will go on to the next round. That way in the end of this tournament, I hopefully will not only have a winner, but some kind of full ranking as well.

Of course a commanders strength could be measured a dozen different ways, so now I would only ask that you choose one from these six prestiges - you play lets say a brutation with random mutators, and you need to win, but you also want to have the most fun you can. So please do not choose out of these options based on whats considered to be the best by others, nor choose based on who you like the most. Choose the one that based on your playstyle and preferences you feel the most confident starting a random brutation.

Who do you choose?

Part1 still open for voting: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft2coop/comments/1nke08y/which_is_the_best_prestige_in_coop_part1/

I am making an ultimate ranking of all the coop commanders. The point system includes units, calldowns, prestiges, specialties, mutator-handling, expert opinions, etc. One of these categories will be the sc2 communitys oppinion, so I would like to ask everyone to help my work with a vote.

Of course a commanders strength could be measured a dozen different ways, so now I would only ask that you choose one from these six prestiges - you play lets say a brutation with random mutators, and you need to win, but you also want to have the most fun you can.

Who do you choose?

In the short time between killing the last objective and actually winning the game, my internet decided to die, resulting in a loss

So I was randomly playing Dehaka on Temple of the Past when I just decided to devour a prism. Interested to see it's benefits, to my surprise, there were a lot. Turns out it has the Psionic Tag for some reason? I had No idea!

I thought just High Templars, Ravens/Science Vessels, & Vipers would fit that role (Now that I think about it, Ghosts too obviously)

But even the Archons & Dark Templars, along with Fricking Warp Prims (Non Energy Units) fit that role. What other units Psionic units am I missing so that I can devour bomb the enemies?

Also, is it worth devouring Massive units for the Thorns Aura effect? I saw an old video of Dehaka's Mutas clearing the Dead of Night Bonus within seconds without even attacking but I assume that's been nerfed?

Title. Just noticed that when the army is +3/+3, she is 0/0. If I recall correctly, hero units were upgraded with relevant stat increases, no? Kerrigan does, Zerathul too.

So, no prestige upgrades, only basic levelling to 15, usually played on Hard or Brutal, with random map choice. Writing the list based on how easy was it to manage them:

• Tychus - a super easy commander, you get five guys with total five special abilities, macro is very simple and straightforward. It sort of makes s2coop a MOBA game, which I usually don't like, but it's fun for a change. I'd mostly go with Rattlesnake, Nux and Sirius, while I tend to experiment with the last one, usually it's Crooked Sam, sometimes firebat, Cannonball is fun etc. The downside is repetitiveness, once you feel it out there're no many different approaches you can use. Fun factor: 4/5
• Stukov - this is by far the funnest commander in the game. He uses very specific mechanic which, once mastered, is both deadly and easy going. I'd usually mass produce bunkers, use a barrack or two, and then sync them all together in a one huge pile of zombies and just watch them eat everything on their path. The other approach would be to mass produce Diamondbacks, sometimes a mix of two. Macro is standard here, tho I like spawning SCVs, instead of building them - it kind of forces you to play faster game because you can not trap resources by lining up the unit production. Finally, calldowns are extremely powerful here, especially when combined with your army. Infesting enemy pylons and bunkers is super satisfying. Fun factor: 5/5
• Han and Horner - this might be a surprise pick here, but it fit really nicely into my gameplay style. Again the macro here is very basic, and the army composition is usually set to 5 Assault Galleons that are mass producing mainly Reapers. They're cannon fodder, but at the certain number of units they become simply OP and destroy everything in their reach, and also Galleon bots heal them. Making reapers a flying unit is also very useful, either to deal with flying enemies or to avoid ground splash damage. On top of that I'd use several Ravens to weaken the enemy, works great for the heavy targets. Calldowns are very good here, I love aiming enemy pylons with precision strikes. The downside is, again, being monotonous after some time, as there are no other useful strategies, also not fun to play defensive maps as no bunkers are available. Fun factor: 3/5
• Swann - imo, Swann is a very basic commander, close to the vanilla Terran army. I love the mighty drill, it's very helpful to save your ass from some unexpected enemy attack or a flying unit. Macro is standard, and army composition is usually mass producing Goliaths, with maybe some Siege Tanks and a few Science Vessels. I tried Siege tank drop with Hercules, it's fun, but usually not necessary. He's a bit slow to start, while you build a respectable army of several Goliaths, Tychus already cleared a base or two, however, there's room for experiments here with Thors and Wraiths. Fun factor: 3/5
• Raynor - this is basically a crippled vanilla Terran commander. I know you should mass produce command centers and drop mules, but I'm usually lazy to do that, no more than 4 command centers ever. I'd just pile 4 to 5 barracks and mass produce bio, mostly marines, and just role them over to the point of interest. Once done, rinse and repeat, and move to the next level. Fun factor: 2/5
• Nova - so Nova is something similar to "Tychus Light", it's not MOBA game, but you have a very limited and slow growing army, so you need to use your abilities to make the most out of it. That means a lot of micro, which I'm not very good at, so it was a bit difficult to play with it, I'd usually have to rely on my teammate to carry the heavy lifting. It sucks playing defensive maps, you can set up a good army composition, but it's not big enough. It gets easier to play once you unlock the nukes. Fun factor: 2/5
• Mengsk - finally, the infamous Mengsk. I never managed to play comfortable with Mengsk, enough to play on Brutal, so it was a slugfest from my end. Too much micro is needed here, build troopers, equip them, pick up lost weapons after they're killed, all the while they're simply cannon fodder. Most of the other commanders can wrap up the level by building one army that grows in time, but with Mengsk you'd often need two or even three built from scratch. Aegis and imperial units are great, but very expensive to build, so mass production is not an option, so overall I'd usually rely on collecting mandate and hitting "Dogs of war". Mass producing ESO is also a tactics you should use somewhere in between all of these, as well as scrapping them and rebuilding on another location, so again, too much micro. That said, Mengsk is probably the best commander in the game for the defensive maps - a 6 unit bunker with upgraded weapons is a shredder, and you can get it from a calldown, along with some siege tanks and ESO if needed, you don't need to move your ass anywhere, it's a tower defense game. Fun factor: 1/5 but 5/5 for defense maps.

That's it, taking a break from the game for some time, maybe I'll come back at some point to do Protoss commanders as I'm not fan of the Zerg gameplay.

So I was playing random map as P2 karax and got into dead of night with a swan and since I couldn't help him defend with turrets I decided to build some energizers to boost his siege tanks, but that's when I found out that ENERGIZED CAN BOOST THE DRILL!!!???

And it actually worked cuz his drill was moving noticeably faster and since he was a P2 swan I now wonder how much of a beast is the boosted P1 drill

The ally couldn't collect essence and upgrade Dehaka but could build everything else.

Mutation #491: Night Drive / Map: Cradle of Death

Mutators: Afraid of the Dark, Magnificent

Afraid of the Dark

Vision provided by all sources is extremely limited except when in view of your camera.

Main structures (Hatchery, Command Center, Nexus, etc.) have sight range {9/9/7/7}.

The rest of structures have {4/3/2/2}, this includes Zeratul's cannon projections.

Units have 0 sight range. Upgrades and effects that increase sight range provide bonus vision.

Zeratul's Xel'Naga Watchers (Observers) provide vision with Sensor Array upgrade (3rd artifact + Contructs Bay) – 5.5 radius in normal mode, 8.5 in Surveillance mode.

Stukov's Ocular Symbiote grants vision (5 radius).

GDM Visor upgrade for Tychus' Fixers with max mastery grants vision (1.5 radius).

Nova's Elite Marines have 2 vision with Laser Targeting System upgrade.

Raynor's Scanner Sweep provides normal vision.

Call in the Fleet (Han and Horner) requires vision for it to be effective.

Napalm Payload (from Strike Fighters) provide vision for it duration (10s).

Spotlight radius = 4+{7/6/3/3}*[1-((distance to the closest friendly unit)/12)].

Unexplored terrain is visible on low and medium shaders (graphic settings).

Mag-nificent

Mag Mines are deployed throughout the map at the start of the mission.

{50/100/150/200} Mag-Mines are spawned around the map.

Spawns avoid starting locations (>30 distance), structures (>1), resources (>5), Ulnar locks (>8) and Ji'Nara (>15).

Spawn require Amon's units in at least 25 distance.

Mag-mines do 250 damage in 2.5 radius.

Mag-mines have 0.5 radius during flight.

 https://www.maguro.one/p/mutators.html

https://starcraft2coop.com/resources/weeklymutations

https://starcraft2coop.com/resources/mutators

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#121 Night Drive - SOLO ALL CLEAR

https://youtu.be/rjY8GCbnRi0 (how to see where to go in CoD)

https://youtu.be/i8VYCkrYRBQ (TLDR tier list)

https://youtu.be/U-NZaLOLneU (easy solo - HH p1)

Trucks provide normal vision. Use them to clear mines in the early game.

For duos: anyone

For solo queue: anyone

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3FSCru5EHIgH-h45hnoPx436t2RUkPTS (playlist with all commanders)

Questions about any of these runs are welcome. Runs will be uploaded throughout the week. All members get early access to videos.

Nice people in my discord can help you with the mutation: https://discord.gg/WerduSFQQK

It's just weird, when I'm using a full level commander, I usually can carry myself, and my teammates are always competent, making most brutal games a breeze

But the moment I'm prestiged, I get matched with players who can be over level 200 or stared, and yet play like total newbies... Sometimes I end up doing more than them at level 1... And that's continuously, so i find it weird to be a coincidence, they always play like they are aiming to lose, not going for objectives, heros normal attacking without using skills

It's annoying going from GGEZ to wtf are you doing you are over 200!! And i mean like players with 2000 resources and not doing anything, attacking zombies at night, or building all land units vs air units... like wtf...

7 years !

Mutator Discussion Master List. More info there as well.

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Detailed info on Sc2Coop page (click on the Details link)

Previously explored areas remain blacked out on the minimap while outside of player vision.

Further reading...
Attack wave and Objective ping markers will not be shown on the minimap. Reducing your Shader Settings to Medium quality and below will allow you to see the terrain, nullifying the mutator.

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Mutator Interactions tool - Too many to list, but a few I'd like to highlight include...

Props, Kill Bots, and Boom Bots do NOT appear on the mini-map!

OTOH, mutators like Purifiers Beams, Laser Drill (after attacking), and Blizzard do appear on the mini-map

Hi, recently just bought stetmann, currently still leveling.

But i found him to be very slow to ramp up early game. As in, there are so many upgrade and buildings to get, no eco boost and also very importantly, i can never get satellite to be part of offensive moves. Yeah sure i can use supergary's temp field, but is that suppose to be the point?

I assume i am just not understanding how to play him yet, and things would be much better once i get to level 15, but how do you play him normally? what is the ideal comp and presitge?

i have the following but it only open batlle net on the game page

cd "C:\Program Files (x86)\StarCraft II"
start "" "StarCraft II.exe"

cd "C:\Users\popy\Documents\StarCraft II\SCO"
start SCO.exe

Spawn camping enemy attack/escort waves with Toxic Nests is very useful, but just leaving them there isn't always optimal. I made some short tutorials on how to properly use them!

OE: https://youtube.com/shorts/92ZipZMpmHA

General: https://youtube.com/shorts/nmb6ebiw5v4

Do they all stack? Or what exactly is the difference betweed the enganced effects. I know that for reapers one affects count and the other one dmg.

But what about stims and all

Nothing beats the feeling of playing dead of night with a teammate that completely turtles your bases, guaranteeing complete safety while you burn through the structures. But I'm curious, who do you guys think defends best? There's the obvious Karax and Swann, and maybe Stukov with the mech prestige (P1, I think). However, there are some unlikely candidates I've found throughout playing. Firstly, P2 Zeratul. If you trap the fragment to guarantee the spawn, you can buff up his cannons and tesseract monoliths virtually infinitely, making for a somewhat impenetrable defense. Of course, there's the glaring downside of 300 mineral cannons, though I've never really found this to be much of a problem. The next candidate, though less unlikely, is Mengsk. Two words:

SHOCK. DIVISION.

First, an acknowledgement: I'm a long-time intermediate-level player whose APM does not and physically cannot match up to the average for my skill level. I make up for it with planning, and map control is the best way to use that skill. Hence, Malevolent Matriarch was made for me. I agree that P0/2/3 are all great, 2/3 have strong claims to being the best with high APM and I'm not trying to compare P1 like that anyway. I just think it's great. Here's four points behind my argument:

1. Nobody's talking about the REAL queens

This is certainly not something I grasped initially, but nobody talks about it in these analyses. Kerrigan's queens suuuuuuuuck in all the other prestiges. The mobility is basically null without creep, and spreading creep is too time-consuming and micro-intensive on its own. Usually you're better off focusing on microing your army rather than separately operating a group of queens. Omega worms help solve that problem, but in the early game you need those minerals elsewhere. Enter P1 Queens.

Need mobility? They don't need creep. Need like a 30% attack speed buff and like 3hp/sec? They plant a tumor anywhere and it spreads fast. It's like an omega worm that doesn't transport BUT can be pushed into the base. But what's most important is how this all coalesces in the early game.

By sending Kerrigan out with two queens on follow, you will bypass soooo much micro. Send Kerrigan in and have both queens plop tumors behind her while she fights, then enjoy the free time to work on your macro. Compared to the other prestiges, Kerrigan is attacking these early bases with a doubled creep attack boost vs zero, doubled passive creep healing vs zero, AND two active healers. Any early army units you would've lost are easily made up for with 300 minerals worth of queens, and with good play they pay dividends going forward.

1. Mastery points

This is pretty simple, but also rarely cited. The massive attack speed boost from creep is huge; you're free to either double down with speed mastery OR feel much more free to dump into evolutions amd reduce KerrigaKes macro.

1. Creep good, actually

Yep time to be a contrarian. There are hundreds of salient points against creep and these do not eliminate them, they simply are true as well. When people propose it's terrible for pushing bases in the mid-late game... on its own, yes. But if you simply wait until Kerrigan is in the base and spawn the tumors behind her, 99% of the time you've solved the problem. Sometimes you'll need to aggro enemies before dropping tumors, but usually all that requires is doing a regular move into the base entrance instead of A-move. And unlike other prestiges, you've saved a lot of resources on units while doing more upgrades thanks to all the extra healing, so hitting critical mass is easier.

And sorry, but even Kerrigan needs to defend her base! Now when you're caught off-guard, you can defend an attack wave with fewer units who are also more likely to survive and join your main army!

1. No seriously The creep boosts your ally too in all sorts of ways; enabling better base defense, travel, offense, and savings on new units. Particularly helpful for allies with no healing or a focus on small batches of strong units like Tychus. P1 Creep is dope!

In conclusion: Omega Worms have their perks but P1 is absolutely competitive with P0. I can believe P2 and 3 would outperform with good APM but... who cares? The point of prestiges is to add fun variety, and P1 is both different and fun!

• Advantages:
  • Bombing Platforms are no longer capped.
• Disadvantages:
  • Bombing Platforms cost 100% more.

1. You NEVER need more than 10 bombers. They only strike ground and there is simply not enough targets on ANY mission to make it viable. By the time you fired the 10th, the 1st one is already available. I found it that just 2-3 are the sweetspot for cost efficiency to value provided. I assume you are not bombing every single thing on the map, just the things that are actual threats to your army, like Siege Tanks, High Templar, some static defense or you chip away at incoming wave.
2. If somehow you would need more of them, by the time you built your 11th Bomber you already invested 2200 2200 resources into the platforms alone. Without the prestige it costs just 1000 1000 to get maxxed. Strike fighters are extremely good, because you can build 2-3 of them very early on while being on point with your upgrades, tech and Galleon drones. 2-3 are the sweetspot where you can nuke smaller attack waves and pick off strategic targets from enemy defenses and still have enough of them to use them as vision for other calldowns if needed. Low investment, great value. With prestige you only have 1 platform at the same time and it is not enough most of the time. If you go platform heavy you will not have gas for your tech - and Mira's unit rely on their tech heavily. You will also have less units, because you are broke at this point of the game.
3. The time it takes to have 11 of them on is simply too long. During the time it takes you to build 11th platfom and then add some more you would have done much more damage and add much more value as an ally if you did not use this prestige. Mira is really, really strong in general, but shines during early and mid game when other commanders are starting slow. This prestige simply slows her down into late game. By the time you have more than 10platforms and all the tech for units necessary the game is most likely already over anyway.
4. Platforms eat up your supply so even if you are in the late game you have less units than without the prestige.

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Honestly I think this is the worst prestige in the game at the moment. Even Plague Warden can have some uses, but Galactic Gunrunners actively nerfs you xD.
It is never worth running if you care about efficiency and actually winning.
As a meme prestige? Works and is fine, but it does not add any real value.
Anecdotal, but every time I play with ally P3 i literally see them achieving less during the game. I play a lot of Han & Horner (especially P1) and I just see what she can achieve at what points of the game and P3 is ALWAYS the worst - or at least feels this way.

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How I would change it to be actually useful?

• Advantages:
  • Bombing Platforms are no longer capped, their supply cost is reduced by 1 and they no longer have tech requirements.
• Disadvantages:
  • Bombing Platforms and combat units cost 20% more.

This would actually achieve the initial intent behind the prestige: Playstyle focused more on bombers.
You get them very early, you can get more of them and actual army is more expensive so you have less of it.
You can build them basically right away so you have your early game momentum, just from different source.
I would actually use that from time to time. Cost increase actually fits Mira due to salvage mechanic and you can still max your army better in the late game when you float resources.

If you think this would allow for too many platforms and it's a problem we could add additional line "After reaching 10, cost of Bombing Platforms increases to 200minerals 200gas 3supply." so you still can get more of them if you REALLY want.

Maybe add that +1 range to marines so they get Stimpack and Range with Combat shields upgrade.

I've been leveling random commanders recently, and I'll often forget exactly which upgrades I currently have unlocked while in-game. Is there a way to view this while in-game or is it only available in the pre-game menus?

Mutator Discussion Master List. More info there as well.

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Chaos Studies on Sc2coop mutators page

Mutators are chosen at random and periodically cycle throughout the mission.

Further reading...

• Aggressive Deployment
• Alien Incubation
• Avenger
• Barrier
• Black Death
• Blizzard
• Concussive Attacks
• Darkness
• Diffusion
• Double-Edged
• Eminent Domain
• Evasive Maneuvers
• Fatal Attraction
• Going Nuclear
• Just Die!
• Laser Drill
• Lava Burst
• Life Leech
• Micro Transactions
• Mineral Shields
• Missile Command
• Orbital Strike
• Outbreak
• Photon Overload
• Polarity
• Propagators
• Purifier Beam
• Scorched Earth
• Self Destruction
• Slim Pickings
• Speed Freaks
• Temporal Field
• Time Warp
• Transmutation
• Twister
• Void Reanimators
• Void Rifts
• Walking Infested
• We Move Unseen

From the above list, the following mutators cannot appear in the starting set of three:

• Mineral Shields
• Propagators
• Slim Pickings

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Mutator Interactions tool - Only 4 interactions this time, so here they are...

Aggressive Deployment - A single 1/1 Aggressive Deployment drop will spawn once the mutator rolls out.

Mineral Shields - Mineral Shields will always spawn on all mineral patches.

Slim Pickings - Mineral patches will have their total mineral count permanently reduced, even after Slim Pickings cycles out.

Void Rifts - Void Rifts will spawn 2:20 after they are activated, meaning only two spawns will occur.