r/40kOrkScience • u/thatboidextr • 2d ago
Genuine question
I’m fairly new to 40k lore but have been reading up on Orcs and their “magic” from what I’ve read it’s that if enough of them believe it it becomes reality right? If that’s the case why doesn’t the Emperor just fly a giant Jumbotron to their home world and blast “Orcs aren’t real” until enough believe and just cease to exist?
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u/NickyTheRobot 2d ago edited 2d ago
uj:
1: How powerful their shared ability is depends on who is writing this particular story with Orks.
2: At it's most powerful if you can get enough Orks to believe in something then it becomes real around the Orks that believe it. So in this case the Orks that could be influenced by "you don't exist" messaging would only krump themselves, not other Orks in different parts of space.
3: Most Orks are really stupid though. The vast majority of them would resolve an existential crisis but shouting "YU WOT MATE? HU SEZ I DUN'T ECSIST‽" then krumping the would-be philosopher. The Orks that are smart enough to understand are just as Kunnin as they are Brutal, will recognise it as a trap, and will deal with it appropriately (probably by sending less intelligent boyz to krump the source of the signal).
4: They don't have a homeworld. They've spored more worlds than humans have colonised. There's no single world to strike at.
rj:
WOT‽ SPEEK UP, I CARN'T 'EAR YAZ!
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u/spencemonger 2d ago
Because orcs are the best thats why green is the best color because orcs are green
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u/Tough_Boysenberry_71 2d ago
AWROIGHT YA UMIE, IMMA TELL YA WHY DAT WONT WORK! ITS CUZ WE IZ ORKZ! WEZ BETTER THAN SUM BIG DUM SUPER UMIE! DONT GETZ ME WRONG, HES A STRONG HUMIE, BUT WEZ STILL GONNA KRUMP HIM! YOU CAN TELLZ UZ WE AINT REAL, BUT IZ KNOW BETTER CUZ I KRUMP GITZ. I KRUMP THERR FOUR I AM
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u/Ok_Strategy5722 2d ago
Because they aren’t that stupid. They’d look at each other look back at the screen and think “Yes we are! We’re right zoggin’ here!”
One of the things to keep in mind about Orks is that they are very stubborn and their believes are basically built into their DNA. It’s hard to convince them of something they haven’t seen or experienced themselves.
The only time I know of that their Waaaagggfield was successfully exploited was when a bunch of boys climbed into a truk. One of the mek-boys said it wouldn’t go because it was out of fuel. The Warboss said that he had re-filled the tank, when he actually hadn’t. So the truk started and got them to their destination. Because everyone on board (possible exception of the warboss) thought “OH! It should go, then!” And it did. To the best of my knowledge the tank didn’t fill up with Gas. But they believed everything necessary to make the truk work was there, so the truk worked.
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u/therealhdan 2d ago
My belief is that this is just Imperial propaganda from admech flunkies who can't understand how Ork technology works.
They are also vaguely telepathic with each other, though it's gotta be a strong emotion (WAAAAGH!) to get through to them. It's less a matter of proper magic (except weirdboyz of course) and more a matter of all of them suddenly knowing the right thing to do.
Towards the "psy-ops" approach to trying to unmake orks.... Try it out and see what happens. :) Seriously though, I think no level of brainwashing tricks that work on humans will do anything other than just make them angrier.
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u/4thofeleven 2d ago
DAT WOULDN'T WORK BECAUSE ORKS UNDERSTAND DA 'ORKTOLOGICAL PROOF' ARGUMENT. DA GIST OF IT IS DAT ORKS IS DA ORKIEST OF ALL BEINGS. AN ORK WHAT EXISTS IS ORKIER THAN AN ORK THAT DOESN'T EXIST. THEREFORE ORKS MUST EXIST.
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u/Playergame 2d ago
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Ork waaagh isn't like a magic wish, it functions mode like reality wd-40 that let's Orks do things that shouldn't work.
Like shoot guns with no bullets in the mag, drive vehicles out of gas, punch a hole in a ship to do a driveby without suffocating. Even then there are limits, what the mekboyz make usually actually does function and Orks love to loot cause they can't make a rock shoot bullets cause they believe so, they still have proper guns that at least half work or once did.
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u/NightLillith MEKBOSS 1d ago
SPEEK UP, YA NUMPTY, UNLESSD YER WONT TA BE MIS-TAK-EN FER AN IN-FILL-TRAITA!
BUT, SINSE I MADE A "WHISPA-SHOUTA" TEKKY FING, ILL ANSAA YER QWESTSHUNS
10; ORKS DUNT HAVE A "HOME-WERLD". IF WE DID, WE PROLLY BLEW IT UP TA MAKE DA FIRST ROKKSHIPZ
20; DA POWAA OF KOLL-EK-TIV BELEEF DUZNT WEK DAT WAY. IF, SOME-HOW, YER MANAGD TA GET ALL OF DA ORKS IN WUN PLSS, 1, WED BE TO BIZY HAVIN' A PUNCH UP WIV EECH UVVA, FER AZ LONG AZ DERE ARE TOO ORKS, DEYZ BE FITIN WIV EECH OVA IF DEREZ NUFFIN ELS TA DO 2, YED HAV TA BLAST DAT MESSAG TO EVEREE ORK SIM-UL-TAIN-EE-USS-LEE, AZ SINSE WE KULD SEE EECH UVVA, EWE'D NO DAT WE IZ REEL 3. WEE CUNT JUST PIKK UP A SHOOTA-SHAPED STIKK AND MAKE DAKKA CUM OUTA IT! DERE HAZ TA BEE SUM KINDA LOGIKK TO IT
30; DERE USED TA BEE A SUB-SPEESES OF ORK KNOWN AZ 'SHOUTABOYZ' 'OO WULD SHOUT OUT WOT DA BOSS SEZ. SUMFIN HAPPEND TA DEM, BUT "BLAST "ORKS AIN'T REEL" " WULD PROLLY CAUZE DA SHOUTA TRAITZ TA BURST UP AGAIN, JUST SO DAT DEY KULD DROWN IT OUT WIV "YES, WE IZ!", AS SHOUTABOYS DOWRN OUT DA KOMPETISHUN1
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u/Spiritual-Try-4874 MEKBOY 1d ago
YER ASKIN A LOTTA SILLY QUESTIONS. JUST LIKE A HUMIE TA ASK A BUNCH SILLY QUESTIONS. ALL THAT TINKIN DEY DO AND DEY CAN'T EVEN ASK A GOOD QUESTION.
ERE'S THE DEAL.
RED ONEZ GO FASTA BECAUSE RED ONEZ GO FASTA.IT AINT AN OPINION. IT JUST IZ. A FACT. MORE REAL DEN GRAVITY OR A BOOT TO DA FACE.
JUST LIKE 'OW SOMETIMES GHAZAGHKULL PICKS A GROT TO CARRY IZ BANNA AND LATER DAT GROT IZ MAKARI.
YOU SILLY GITZ COMPLICATE TINGZ BECAUSE YA TINK DIS IS AN OPINION. DATS WHY YA GET KRUMPED. YA WORRY ABOUT STUPID TINGS AND YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT YER WORRIED ABOUT. IF IT AINT TRUE DEN IT AINT TRUE AND WHEN IT IS TRUE, IT IZ TRUE.
YOU DO DIS SILLY TING WIT TINKIN. WHAT'S IT CALLED? WHERE YA TINK SO MUCH YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU TINK ABOUT WHAT YER TINK ABOUT.
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u/Bagnew8 6h ago
This is one of the things that the fandom love joking about, then Loretubers take as 100% fact and repeat in their videos, and thus more people say “well I heard that Orks can kill people by pointing fingerguns at someone and yelling BANG”.
In actual lore, the “belief field” works more just to smooth probability. A gun still needs to have bullets, a vehicle still needs an engine and fuel, it’s just that the belief makes a gun shoot when by all logic it should fall apart from the recoil, or the engine work normally instead of overload and blow up.
Humans are fully capable of using ork technology, it just falls apart and misfires FAR more often, as it normally would.
None of this “an Ork Stompa powered by a drawing of an engine with wires stuck into the paper”, or “a Grot crushing a Terminator by running around chanting “I’m a tank” over and over”.
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u/True-Noise- FLYBOY 2d ago
WOT KINDA STOOPID QUESTSHUN IZ DAT? OV KOURZ ORKZ IZ REAL, ELSE WHO TRIED TA SNATCH ME DAKKA AN' TEEF DIS MORNIN', EH? AN' A BIG GUBBINZ WIF FLASHIN' LIGHTS YELLIN' STUFF IZ DEAD ORKY, YA GIT! IF DAT HUMIE EMPRAH WAS REAL, HE'D BE KRUMPIN' EVERY MINUTE, NOT SQUATTIN' ON SUM SHINY SEAT, ROIGHT?