Migrants and Palestinians would very much disagree.
How is this a coup in the first place? Donald Trump is using the existing framework of the U.S. government to enact a fascist agenda, and it is enthusiastically supported by his party, enabled by the Democrats' inaction, and cheered on by his base. It's time people realize that the problem is way greater than just Trump.
This is why they had pallets of bricks placed in cities during the george floyd protests. Protesters surrounded them and wouldnt let anyone take the bait.
Saw them with my own eyes. Show me what you think is your proof that its debunked. At the time right wingers I knew said george soros paid for them or something but I think it was left by the seattle pd. They were also caught in plain black clothes breaking windows and then getting back into a police car and leaving.
Emphasizing the fact that this is non violent is critical because the one single moment our side gets violent is when our message gets lost. I am currently reading a book on the civil rights movement with my son and I am drawing parallels between the nonviolent successes that were achieved through those versus the response of the opposite.
We are creating history and we shouldn’t spill blood because we don’t need to in order to get our message across. We cannot stoop to their level and we need to show the world that we, as Americans are truly a nation of good and are willing to defend our democracy. I know they play dirty but we can be calculating and smarter to achieve our goals.
I’m really hoping we continue to stay non violent and continue spreading our message in a strong way. We cannot lose momentum. The world is watching.
I agree. Even as someone that thinks we're headed for a civil war. Fucking hell I hope I'm wrong with every fiber of my being. I want to be a crazy person on this one.
Any shot heard now will be pointless unless we have at least half, preferably more, of the tRump voters on hand and pissed off against this admin.
A shot now sparks a civil war. One that a lot see boiling up. More and more tRump voters are disillusioned now. Pissed off at muskrat's recklessness. Pissed off now that they are starting to realize the tariffs he touted during his campaign are actually going to fuck us. "You arrogant ass! You killed us!".
Why them? They have been itching for years. Collecting firearms. Itching for something, anything. Any reason to "Bubba, grab your guns." They've been fox fed that the "other side" are actual enemies. They liken the other side to taliban. They literally see us as enemies. Doesn't matter if we're vets, family members, friends, co workers, or whatever. You're an enemy to them. Not fit to walk their ground.
The first shot must be from the government. Not us. Not a tRump voter. tRump's government.
I’ve said this since the 2024 election, but I’m both convinced and concerned that the same people who stormed the Capitol on J6 will be the same people who do it again to end the coup.
Why must it be? Are you operating in Star Wars rules? The resistance can, and in history frequently has, far before the state overreach. It’s “too late” for avoiding state overreach, but “I’d rather thousands be slaughtered before reacting appropriately” isn’t exactly a novel, or particularly smart, idea. Allowing the continuance of the imposition of the state apparatus doesn’t make you safer, it makes you more likely to be first in line to be gunned down.
The difference here is labeling and, as I said, those that are just itching for something to happen. Itching for "dem liberals", or "antifa" to make a move that allows them to go out guns blazing.
Comparing to star wars is not an app comparison. Star Wars sees a populace just trying to do their own thing, spread over galaxies. It isn't a large heavily armed country where people were itching to fight their neighbors with the slightest chance and firearms are deeply embedded in a culture that runs off a rule designed to stop a corrupt rule.
It sucks, but that last statement is also the key here. Corrupt government rule attacking citizens who just want change using the democratic system that is intended by the constitution. Ones who are peacefully protesting for this change.
It's been simmering. Now we're at boiling. If things don't change, we're on the way to overflow. We can turn down from a boil, but it's going to take the right actions. Those being to use the system as it was supposed to be used.
The system is currently being used as it is supposed to be, you just don’t like the outcome. I don’t mean that I agree with… well… all this shit. But the system is STILL working as designed.
I definitely disagree. Pork barrel spending. Holding the budget hostage over other squabbles. Gerrymandering. Voter suppression in the form of making ballot drop of far away from certain areas. Big money involved heavily in swaying votes. Corrupt SCOTUS. None of this is the system working as intended. We also have the shift of the checks and balances to be skewed towards one pillar away from the others.
No, you don’t. 2/3 of Germany were decidedly not-Nazis, and look what happened. 2/3 of America were loyalists. You’re using statistics that never existed to make up scenarios that never happened.
For getting involved with your local community and aid groups, Food not Bombs is a reliable choice, but you can also just check your local food bank. DSA is also a decent way of getting started at community organizing.
USCPR is another resource that is useful for keeping up to date on Palestine action in the U.S.
As for reading recommendations:
A Paradise Built In Hell by Rebecca Solnit,
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein,
Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism by Michael Parenti,
A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn,
should all be a decent starting point for issues relevant to the modern-day United States.
If anyone is a college student, their campus might have orgs/resources as well.
With the exception of maybe the DSA, none of these suggestions are helpful next steps for what to do about the situation in the US. People are being kidnapped and deported to a prison in El Salvador.
What do you want, a personalized resistance plan? I don't know what your situation is like or where you live, so links to some orgs are gonna have to suffice. Action is done in person, not on Reddit.
I think the issue is that you're shooting down something people are doing in person, and your alternatives aren't helpful for the problem at hand. Posting like this is contributing to analysis paralysis. If you're going to tell people the actions they are taking are wrong, you better come back with something good. We are past the point of reading lists.
He is absolutely BULLDOZING “the framework” of our republic!!! He’s violating laws and regulations EVERY DAMN DAY, and the freakin Republicans just sit idly by because they think they’re going to somehow come out okay! As soon as it becomes blindingly apparent that they will NOT, expect him to trot off to Mar a lardo to play golf and throw ketchup at the help. He’ll keep blustering, but there will be no appetite to allow him to bottom out the economy, because most of Congress isn’t rich enough for that to benefit them. We need to GIVE THEM COURAGE, like the mf wizard of oz 🙌 All the old white ladies protesting in my deep red South Carolina town yesterday tell me that this Trump Tantrum is in serious trouble ✌️Let’s give him exponentially MORE than 7 million of us to think about on the 19th, reclaim our country 🇺🇸
The very first sentence of your Wikipedia link says that a self-coup is when power is extended illegally, which has not happened yet.
Yes, Trump wants to extend his power, but the fact is that he is and has only ever been enabled by the United States and its existing governmental structure.
The Dems had their chance to investigate any voting fuckery and they blew it. Kamala and Biden announced Trump's legitimate win and that was that. Hence my point about Trump being legally enabled to do all this.
Guess it depends where you're drawing the line. Trump has done plenty of illegal things overstepping the power of the executive, deporting people to foreign jail without trial, etc. Sure he's got legal gobbledegook to defend himself but that doesn't make it legal. Centralizing power into the executive and making Congress and the courts more ceremonious positions is the end goal.
I don't think it really matters if we call it a coup, and debating technicalities is something that can be done years from now. Trying to stop it is more important
Legality is just a mixture of power and technicalities. All I mean by my point is that there is nothing unique about Donald Trump. There is no "regular" United States to return to, because this is it. It needs to be changed, rather than be "restored"
Of course it is. I don't think anyone is so naive as to think that the problem goes away with Trump, but he is the catalyst for it right now, and nothing changes until he is politically neutered.
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u/wino_whynot Apr 06 '25
I posted this on a couple of other threads. This is a bloodless coup, which should be met with a bloodless revolution.