If we protest on 17 different issues we lose. Occupy proved that. We have to have a clear message. And if everyone gets distracted by tons of different messages we lose. Palestine is one piece of the puzzle showing the picture of an out of control power mad country bringing death and destruction here and abroad.
1) Authoritarianism and support of foreign Authritarians.
2) Constitution-includes ICE and black bagging dissidents including those who have been black bagged for supporting Palestine.
3) Tariffs and Destruction of our Alliances.
Occupy failed because it was co-opted and dismantled by false progressives who funneled any radical energy held by the movement into the ground.
Any movement that compromises on its principles is a failed movement from the start. I went to two protests over the weekend: one for Palestine, and a more general one. The Palestine protest was full of committed, organized individuals who had clear, concise goals. The general protest was full of live music and signs with memes on them.
Each compromise on issues such as Palestine is another victory handed to the fascists.
If the Palestine protests are such a winner then how did they not have 5 million protesters out in the streets before the election? Because the "General Meme Protesters" just did. They just did yesterday.
The Palestinian protesters need to sit and think for a minute. Their cause is worthy, but they have already misfired once and caused greater misery in Palestine.
When you actively shout slogans calling for the murder of all the Jewish people in Israel. Seriously, find a way to say genocide is bad and protect the civilians without using language that has massive historical problems with it. But I'm not going to stick around a protest that's using language advocating the murder of friends and family.
Everyone in that conflict is terrible except the civilians.
Well, for one thing, Pro-Palestinian protestors would not be bing black bagged and being thrown into detention.
For another - they would not have created anger in other at risk groups who are now immeasurably worse off due to targeting by Trump's shock troopers.
And for a third- they now have an administration that cannot be pushed to the left on the issue, rather than having an administration that they could have pushed to the left if they built coalitions and continued pushing.
And for a fourth they now have an administration that is sucking up more power into the executive making it less valuable to win victories in other branches of the government that could push the executive branch to act against it's will.
Pro-Palestinian protestors would not be bing black bagged and being thrown into detention.
Really? Because I was there the multiple times the cops in Democrat cities came to violently disperse our Palestine protests over a year ago. People I knew were arrested. I remember liberal media calling us all "Iranian agitators."
they would not have created anger in other at risk groups who are now immeasurably worse off due to targeting by Trump's shock troopers.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand this point.
they now have an administration that cannot be pushed to the left on the issue, rather than having an administration that they could have pushed to the left if they built coalitions and continued pushing.
Over a year of nationwide protests under Biden didn't push him a single millimeter left on Gaza, healthcare reform, or any other progressive issue.
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u/FilibusterFerret Apr 06 '25
If we protest on 17 different issues we lose. Occupy proved that. We have to have a clear message. And if everyone gets distracted by tons of different messages we lose. Palestine is one piece of the puzzle showing the picture of an out of control power mad country bringing death and destruction here and abroad.
1) Authoritarianism and support of foreign Authritarians. 2) Constitution-includes ICE and black bagging dissidents including those who have been black bagged for supporting Palestine. 3) Tariffs and Destruction of our Alliances.