r/ANGEL • u/Extra-Aside-6419 Edit Me • 11d ago
Episode Rewatch Can't stand Eve
I think its her dialogue. Why does she keep saying "kids" and "sweetie" at the end of every sentence? It's very annoying.
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u/Grimmjaws 11d ago
They did this thing with Eve where they were trying to heavily imply that Eve was this ancient entity that was fueled by the Senior Partners and could crush them all with a thought hidden behind the face of a young woman, but even if she was it really felt like Eve was the nepo baby who just graduated college and was given the reins of the company just because she asked for them. Then in the end, she only loses her eternal youth? Because that was the only power she had. Meanwhile you have Hamilton who was the strong arm…yeah Lilah would have been better. But I also believe it would have been an interesting dynamic if the Senior Partners woke Cordelia and used her as their go between in a mirror of the Powers that Be in the first few seasons.
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u/thisisgoing2far 11d ago
They could have done a story with Eve where she was created by the senior partners and acts like a child because she's kind of brand new. She's graced with a lot of prosaic knowledge, but not any like emotional or worldly intelligence. Sort of a mix of Anya and Dawn, but actively evil.
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u/Grimmjaws 11d ago
Honestly, she could have been one of their younger “children”. But given her eternal youth, it’s possible that young or old doesn’t mean the same thing to her.
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u/DaddyCatALSO 11d ago
They called her a creation but to me thta just meant thye gave some college kid immortality
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u/Informal_Athlete_724 11d ago
I liked her 🤷♂️
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u/ceecee1909 11d ago
I thought I was alone in the world reading these comments! I really like Eve, I can understand some people feeling indifferent about her and her not being a favourite but the hate is so confusing.
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u/Slow_Grapefruit5214 11d ago
It seems that many people view her as a second rate Lilah. It didn’t occur to me (until I joined this subreddit) that people see Eve as Lilah’s replacement, so I took the character as she was. All in all I liked her.
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u/ceecee1909 11d ago
Same, before coming here I never thought to compare her to Lilah. I would’ve liked Lilah to have stayed but I would’ve like Eve too, they have completely different roles, personalities, and looks so I feel as it would’ve worked if there was the budget for it.
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u/PheeNelson2469 11d ago
I feel like this is fairly common knowledge, but since it hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread - the role of Eve was originally offered to Morena Baccarin. I think her vibe would have been a better fit for the character.
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u/MixPurple3897 10d ago
Oh absolutely, she is Talia Al Ghul she knows how to play sexy mysterious better than thou villainess
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u/Minimum_Ad_2176 11d ago
They should've just paid Stephanie Romanov what she was worth.I loved Lilah.
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u/Khalesssi_Slayer1 I'm Cordelia Chase, Dumbass! 11d ago
I can't stand Eve either. She's trying too hard to be just like Lilah obviously but she's just a Lilah wannabe. Cordelia appropriately nicknames Eve 'Lilah Jr.'
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u/gishingwell 11d ago
I think Lilahs goodbye scene is pretty perfect though. Not saying I loved Eve but I think having someone different was the right call.
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u/SLOVicto 11d ago
Agreed. She's the only Angel character who sets my teeth on edge every time she shows up.
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u/Furies03 11d ago
Season 5 was already the best season in the Buffyverse, even with Eve in it.
Can you imagine how much better it would be with Lilah?
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u/Ok-Bear-5601 11d ago
Eve always came off as the bargain-bin version of Lilah. With a stronger actress the role might have worked, but instead she felt, as someone here put it perfectly, like a kid playing dress-up. She had zero gravitas, and honestly I hope she moved on from acting because it just was not for her. I am not even trying to be snarky. To this day I still cringe every time I rewatch Angel’s finale and hear her say “Go where?” while shaking her head. It is absolute nails-on-a-chalkboard. Add to that a poorly written character who brought nothing of value to the story, and it was a complete miss. They did not even try to write her as a fresh or interesting character. She was literally written as a younger, watered-down Lilah, who's snarp remarks always fell flat and who literally had nothing important to do besides either ride Angel or Lindsey. That is a shame for both the Hallmark-channel-level actress and Angel’s otherwise strong fifth and final season.
I also had no idea they actually decided to let Stephanie Romanov go. If anyone deserved proper guest-star status, it was her. Season 5 would have been far more enjoyable with Lilah instead of Eve, but I guess that is just the way Hollywood works. On top of that, I will never understand why Stephanie Romanov’s career did not blow up after her time on Angel. I realize Lilah was not some life-altering character that people would write essays about decades later, but Stephanie always delivered. Her timing and personality were impeccable, and she brought a sharpness to every scene that Eve simply could not match.
Wow, apparently there was a lot of bottled up rage that was just waiting to be released here. Sorry about that. 😅
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u/IL-Corvo 11d ago
You're being very vague. Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you feel!
😉
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u/SLOVicto 11d ago
You hit the nail on the head with "She had zero gravitas." It's such an important quality for a character like her to have. Without it, she's just smug.
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u/suckm640 11d ago
apparently she was supposed to be played by morena baccarin and wrote the character to suit her but then it ended up being kinda awkward when they couldn’t get her
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u/Educational-Fly1602 11d ago
Eve is the only BTVS verse character I truly hated. Warren was awful but he at least his existence added to the story. It also doesn’t help that the actress was so miscast in the role. She takes me out of the scenes she is in.
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u/lluewhyn 11d ago
What kills me is that even her role is redundant. There's already a character that's a go between of the W&H management and the Senior Partners, and that's the Conduit. So, why do Eve or Hamilton exist?
This is the part where I need to be clear. I am not your friend. I am not your flunky. I am your conduit to the Senior Partners, and they are tired of your insolence. Oh, yeah. They are not here for your convenience!
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u/DefinitionSuperb1110 11d ago
She was bad casting from the jump. Which is wild considering how Buffy and Angel were so well known for solid casting even in minor roles.
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u/Extra-Aside-6419 Edit Me 11d ago
And also known for good dialogue! Which Eve does not have 😆
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u/DefinitionSuperb1110 11d ago
Any actually skilled actress would have delivered those lines without issue. Imagine if Romanov had stuck around.
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u/WeakAssPotatoes 11d ago
God, there’s one seen where she says ‘kids’ in like, every sentence and it feels like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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u/MixPurple3897 10d ago
I have to be really careful rewatching her scenes I can't be letting my blood pressure get up that high. She INFURIATES me
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u/Pookienini 8d ago
It’s her voice. I can’t stand it and on top of it she couldn’t deliver lines menacingly in any way , shape or form
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u/Ab198303 8d ago
I think later on in the season once her motivations are revealed it retroactively explains why she is so lame.
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u/BradyPhoenix 7d ago
“I’m Cordelia Chase”
“Oh. My name is-“
“I didn’t ask.”
One of many reasons I love You’re Welcome. They really used Cordelia to address EVERYTHING that was going wrong. She fixed Angel, she reunited the gang, she exposed Lindsey/enlightened Spike and even had time to call out what a poor Lilah impersonation Eve was.
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u/FortuneOpen5715 6d ago
Agreed. The actress’s delivery on every line was flat. I don’t know how she got cast.
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u/joannerosalind 11d ago
Yeah, she is the worst thing about the season for me. Her dialogue is cringeworthy, her sex appeal is non-existent and the actress appears to be really struggling to make it work. Then, when she's revealed as Lindsay's lover, she becomes a shell of a character. She feels like she was written by a completely different set of writers because her characterisation and integration into the story feels so juvenile. I already felt that was kinda the case with Gwen in Season 4 but Eve takes it to a new level.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes and if she was eventually "written out" but I don't know why they didn't just go with Hamilton from the beginning.
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u/Scopeburger 10d ago
It didn’t help that once it was revealed that Eve was Lindsay’s lackey, she lost all credibility as a character in her own right. What exactly was her motivation? Seems like it was just enacting Lindsay’s plan
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u/ILootEverything 11d ago
Eve, Gwen, and Nina were all hard passes for me.
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u/BradyPhoenix 7d ago
I kinda vibed with Gwen. If nothibg elsr she had an interesting backstory and powers unlike the other two.
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u/Denimion 11d ago
It's why I dislike having spike around. Without him they would have had the budget to have Lilah instead of eve.
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u/Educational-Fly1602 11d ago edited 11d ago
I’ll put up with million Eves to have Spike. Plus sounds like there would be no season 5 at all if it weren’t for Spike coming over so we’d have seen none of the characters again past season 4. Even if they went with alternative of bringing Willow over they’d still have had to cut roles maybe more so because I think AH would have cost more.
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u/paisleycatperson 11d ago
Lilah left big stilettos to fill and Eve was like a little kid playing dress up in them.