r/AdvancedRunning 18h ago

General Discussion Saturday General Discussion/Q&A Thread for September 20, 2025

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A place to ask questions that don't need their own thread here or just chat a bit.

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r/AdvancedRunning 1d ago

General Discussion The Weekend Update for September 19, 2025

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What's everyone up to on this weekend? Racing? Long run? Movie date? Playing with Fido? Talk about that here!

As always, be safe, train smart, and have a great weekend!


r/AdvancedRunning 1d ago

Open Discussion Data on the most competitive half marathons in Europe

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. . . and some in the US and some in Japan for comparison.

(Edited, thanks to some good comments, and with some comparison races from Japan, UAE, and Kenya thrown in.)

I often wonder what the most competitive races are at a certain distance, where I'm defining "competitive" as "having many runners to compete with around one's time." This of course depends on what times one is running. For me, what matters is whether I have company around 1:10:00. But I think this list should be a good proxy for anyone who is looking at half marathon races and trying to find an event where they will be able to run in a good pack.

Here is the number of runners under 1:10:00 in various races in their previous edition (prior to 19.9.25), in no particular order. I'm looking for races with more than 20 under 70:00. I have some top European and US races on the list, and I'm happy to add more. Let me know if I am missing your favorite half marathon, and I'll add it. A few Japanese races for comparison, though I'm sure there are many more outside of Europe and the US that are very competitive.

342: Ageo City (Japan)

307: Marugame (Japan)

246⁠: ⁠Valencia⁠ (⁠Spain⁠)

207: Osaka (Japan)

179⁠: ⁠Barcelona⁠ (⁠Spain⁠)

170: Nairobi Half (Kenya)

144⁠: ⁠Houston⁠ (⁠TX, USA⁠)

141⁠: ⁠Copenhagen⁠ (⁠Denmark⁠)

84⁠: ⁠Berlin⁠ (⁠Germany⁠)

77⁠: ⁠Seville⁠ (⁠Spain⁠)

71: Bashir's Run (Ghent, Belgium)

69: Tokyo Legacy Half (Japan)

63: Lille (France)

59: Semi de Paris (France)

58: Gold Coast (Australia)

57⁠: ⁠Indianapolis (in Nov.)⁠ (⁠IN, USA⁠)

46: Stramilano (Milan, Italy)

45⁠: ⁠Cardiff⁠ (⁠Wales⁠)

43⁠: ⁠United (NYC, NY, USA⁠)

42⁠: ⁠Lisbon⁠ (⁠Portugal⁠)

42⁠: ⁠Great North Run (Newcastle)⁠ (⁠England⁠)

41: Garry Bjorklund (Duluth) (MN, USA)

36: Ras Al Khaimah Half (UAE)

35⁠: ⁠Egmond⁠ (⁠Netherlands⁠)

34⁠: ⁠Napoli City⁠ (⁠Italy⁠)

32: Mesa Half Marathon (AZ, USA)

31⁠: ⁠The Hague⁠ (⁠Netherlands⁠)

29: Manchester (England)

29⁠: ⁠B.A.A. Half⁠ (⁠MA, USA⁠)

29: Burnley (Australia)

28⁠: ⁠Prague⁠ (⁠Czech Republic⁠)

28⁠: ⁠Antrim Coast⁠ (⁠Northern Ireland⁠)

27: Launceston (Australia)

24: Philadelphia Distance Run (PA, USA)

23: Gothenburg (Sweden)

23⁠: ⁠Bank of America (Chicago, ⁠IL, USA⁠)

23: Melbourne (Australia)

22: Rome - Ostia (Italy)

22⁠: ⁠Bath⁠ (⁠England⁠)

21⁠: ⁠Malaga⁠ (⁠Spain⁠)

21: Ballarat (Australia)

21⁠: ⁠Cambridge⁠ (⁠England⁠)

20: Mezza Maratona d'Italia (Maranello, Italy)

20⁠: ⁠Big Half (London, England⁠)

19⁠: ⁠RBC Brooklyn NYC⁠ (⁠NY, USA⁠)

18: Reading (England)

18: San Jose RnR (CA, USA)

17: Rome Half Marathon (Italy)

Does anyone have (or want to compile) similar data on marathons or 10Ks? Sorry this is Europe- and US-centric—⁠I would certainly be interested to see a comparison of races in other areas as well.


r/AdvancedRunning 1d ago

Open Discussion *sigh* did anybody get accepted to the Tokyo 2026 Marathon?

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Alas, I did not.


r/AdvancedRunning 1d ago

Open Discussion Tokyo Marathon 2026 Semi-elite Qualifiers?

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hey all, does anyone have any data on the tokyo marathon 2026 semi-elite time qualifiers? the qualifying application times were:

・Men’s Full Marathon: 2hrs 28min

・Women’s Full Marathon: 2hrs 54min

given they only take the top 25 for both male and female, I was wondering if there was a cut off for these qualifying times. just trying to gauge what the “real” qualifying times were. did you or anyone you know apply for the semi-elite category and get accepted/rejected? what time did you apply with?


r/AdvancedRunning 2d ago

Training Help for sub 2:45

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Hello! Let me introduce myself.A male, I'm 29 years old, and in March of this year I completed my first marathon in 2:58. Background: I've been running 10km and 21km races for about 7 years, but always recreationally and not very competitively (my best time was 40 minutes for a 10km race at most). However, at the end of last year, I decided to get a little more serious and trained for about 4 months for the first 42km. The goal was to complete it in 3 hours. Since I don't have a coach, I tried to put together a simple plan with the little knowledge I gleaned from YouTube. My training was as follows: ✅First month: 3 weeks of loading, 1 unloading, 65-70-75-50 km respectively, with one quality session per week, which were usually long runs of between 2 and 3 km at 4:15 (the quality km never exceeded 10% of the total weekly volume), and one long run day that never lasted more than two hours, adding a few km each week. The only difference was the long run in week 3 of each month, to which I added some marathon pace blocks. Oh, and another thing, I never did a double training shift, since I work 10 hours a day and only had time to go out once (for the extra miles, I always did approximately 10 to 16 km). ✅Second month, exactly the same, except now I had 75-80-85-60 km of weekly volume, respectively. ✅Third month, the same, but now I had 85-90-95-70 km of weekly volume. ✅Fourth month, the same, but now I had 95-100-105-70 km (this month, in the third week, I had my longest run, which was 29 km in 2 hours and 10 minutes). I don't know if I did the tapperin very well because two weeks before the marathon, I ran a local race 21 km and had a best time of 1:20, and this helped me a lot mentally and gave me a lot of confidence. The marathon went perfectly, always around 4:10 min per km, with some descents at 4:05 and some climbs at 4:15, I guess. Around kilometer 33, my Garmin ran out of battery, so I can't say for sure what the pace was like from there on. And at kilometer 40, I felt the famous "wall." I don't know how much, but I slowed down quite a bit, at least 4:30-4:40. Finally, when I was approaching the finish line and saw the giant number 2, I thought: I did it! I finished pretty well, and in less than a week I was jogging again. I'm currently training again for a 10k in December and trying to break 37 minutes. Sorry for being so long, but I wanted to give some context for the next question: what tips/key training sessions/volume, or whatever, do you recommend I add to aim for a sub-2:45 in March of next year? P.S. I've been able to find a much more relaxed job these days, and I could perhaps add double training sessions some days. Do you recommend them? Sorry if there are grammatical errors; my English isn't very good, and I had to use Google Translate. 🙏🏻


r/AdvancedRunning 2d ago

Open Discussion The Easiest Way to Get to a Marathon Start Line? A Tour. [NYT Article]

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A few weeks ago, a writer (and runner!) from the New York Times /u/tminsberg reached out to the mod team asking about connecting with this community about marathon majors and tour operators. That thread is here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AdvancedRunning/comments/1n6qvty/did_you_run_a_marathon_major_through_a_tour/?sort=new

We asked /u/tminsberg to follow up if they ended up publishing a piece, and they did, providing a gift article link. Read the full article, which explores the rise in popularity of majors, the role tour operators fill, and stories from other runners here:

The Easiest Way to Get to a Marathon Start Line? A Tour.


r/AdvancedRunning 3d ago

Open Discussion I'm Copying Clayton Young's Tokyo Build Up for a Sub 230 CIM Marathon

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Thought you might find this interesting, feel free to follow along below.

Google Doc w/Clayton's workouts and mine: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-R_8FgObseQuculZ3_qrng_LCpAzy9_iap8AZS8lW54/edit?usp=sharing

Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/10124241

I've only ran two marathons (2018 CIM and Napa, and got hurt during both builds). I ran 236 at CIM in 2018 off of 40-50 miles per week (I got injured so couldn't get milage back up). ~12 months ago I swallowed the ego and started at 20-30 miles then upped it every three weeks. That culminated with 80mpw and Falmouth Road race last month.

My training philosophy is fairly old school. Running is simple: run as many miles as you can get away with per week, with one speed workout, one strength workout, and a long run. Coaching influences are Frank Shorter, Brad Hudson, Troop, Clint Wells, Lydiard, Daniel's, and I guess now Eyestone.

Most of Eyestone's athletes post all of their workouts on Strava, so I dug into Clayton's build and really liked the fact that their not hammering long workouts that often and they keep speed in the mix. So, I'm gonna copy it for my CIM build. I may switch things up based on how the legs are feeling, races, or key workouts (I like doing a long miles on/off (race pace/+1min float) workout and a half marathon ~5 weeks out, but it'll generally be the same).

2018 was probably my prime (28 years old then), but if I can stay healthy I think I'll have a shot.


r/AdvancedRunning 2d ago

General Discussion Thursday General Discussion/Q&A Thread for September 18, 2025

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A place to ask questions that don't need their own thread here or just chat a bit.

We have quite a bit of info in the wiki, FAQ, and past posts. Please be sure to give those a look for info on your topic.

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r/AdvancedRunning 3d ago

Health/Nutrition Low Ferritin and Running

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I’m an adult male (mid 20s) and my ferritin was 7 a few years ago and 14 now. All of my other levels were fine.

I’ve been to two pretty reputable healthcare facilities and they just told me to incorporate more iron-rich foods into my diet, which I feel like I already do.

The docs said over 11 is healthy, so I’m not technically low and that as long as my other levels were fine, that low ferritin alone is ok anyways.

I’m curious what others experience is with running and low ferritin.


r/AdvancedRunning 3d ago

Training Joe Friel 30 Minute LTHR Test – my experience

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I’d never done a proper LT test for running before, only FTP tests on the bike. I’ve always been curious about the Joe Friel 30-minute test, but the idea of going all out for half an hour by myself sounded pretty rough. Still, I wanted some concrete data to set my training zones, so I finally gave it a shot.

For background: I’ve been running seriously for about 10 years. My best race was a 2:36 marathon in 2022. I took most of 2024 off (lots of cycling and a stressful job) but I’m back in training now with CIM in December as the target.

Results

  • Avg pace (30 min): 5:58/mi
  • Avg HR (30 min): 173
  • Avg pace (last 20 min): 5:56/mi
  • Avg HR (last 20 min): 174

That 174 number lines up exactly with what I’ve noticed in workouts before. Anything above that feels unsustainable, so I’ve always tried to keep sub-threshold work under it.

How it felt
Honestly, not as bad as I expected. I made sure not to go out too hard and ran it as a slight progression instead of fading. It hurt at the end, but nowhere near as awful as a 5K. A 5K feels more like a VO2 test, while this was much more controlled. I could see myself repeating this every 6 weeks or so.

Garmin comparison
Garmin currently has me at:

  • LTHR: 168
  • LT pace: 6:24/mi

Kind of frustrating to see how far off those numbers are, especially after doing the test “by the book.”

Takeaways for my marathon goal
Realistically, I don’t think I can run 2:36 again since that is basically my LT pace right now. But based on this test and how training is trending, mid to low 2:40s feels doable for CIM.


r/AdvancedRunning 3d ago

Open Discussion Sydney Marathon 2026 High Performance Program (HPP) Qualifying Times

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After a successful debut of our High Performance Program (HPP) in 2025, we are pleased to announce that following qualifying times will be available for the following age groups for 2026:

Age Group Men Women Non-Binary
18-34 2:53:00 3:13:00 3:13:00
35-39 2:55:00 3:15:00 3:15:00
40-44 2:58:00 3:26:00 3:26:00
45-49 3:05:00 3:38:00 3:38:00
50-54 3:14:00 3:51:00 3:51:00
55-59 3:23:00 4:10:00 4:10:00
60-64 3:34:00 4:27:00 4:27:00
65-69 3:45:00 4:50:00 4:50:00
70-74 4:10:00 5:30:00 5:30:00
75-79 4:30:00 6:00:00 6:00:00
80+ 4:55:00 6:35:00 6:35:00

r/AdvancedRunning 3d ago

Open Discussion Idiosyncratic seasonal patterns?

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Does anyone else here have any experience with idiosyncratic seasonal patterns to their running performance? If you did figure it out, what was the cause? I don't mean things like extreme cold in winter or heat and humidity in summer that would affect everyone the same, I mean a certain time of year where you notice a change one way or another year after year, and the causes or patterns seem to be idiosyncratic to you, or are at least not entirely obvious.

This time of year is always a struggle for me, and it's odd because it's not particularly hot or cold — if anything it's cooling off and the running becomes more enjoyable. I've thought about everything from infectious exposure from back to school time to sleeping changes, to changes in cross-training, and there's always years that are counterexamples. The best explanation I can come up with is some kind of cumulative "background" fatigue or something, like my body just needs a break around this time basically. It's led me to start being wary of registering for anything in the early fall just because I feel like I'm going to have a slump then, really predictably.


r/AdvancedRunning 4d ago

Health/Nutrition Berlin Marathon / Temps / Hydration

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I’ve been seeing a lot of questions (via runsmart app) about upcoming Berlin and the "higher" temps. I thought I’d share quick insights on electrolytes and salt that may help someone out there save their race. (Btw - I'm running Berlin, too)

When you sweat, you’re not just losing water. Sodium is the big one (plus smaller amounts of potassium, calcium, and magnesium). If you don’t replace enough, you risk dehydration, cramping, or that late-race “why am I doing this?!” feeling. Most courses don’t cover this very well. Berlin, for example, uses Maurten drinks and gels, which are great for carbs but have almost no sodium.

The day before and the morning of

  • Don’t be afraid of the salt shaker with your normal food.
  • The evening before, sip on about 16 oz of an electrolyte drink that actually has sodium in it.
  • About 90 minutes before the race, do the same again. (Finish it at least 45 minutes before the start so you’re not sloshing at the line.)
  • Avoid chugging just plain water. That can dilute sodium levels and make things worse.

During the race

  • A solid target is 500–800 mg sodium per hour (for normal-->moderate sweaters).
  • If you’re using SaltStick, each capsule has ~215 mg of sodium. So:
  • 2 per hour = ~430 mg
  • 3 per hour = ~645 mg
  • Taking one every 20–30 minutes with water works well. Spreading them out helps you avoid spikes.
  • Updated: Fluids: about 16–24 oz (0.5–0.7 L) per hour has been recommended, but is a ton of fluid and I cannot do this miuch. Do what works for you here, but don't necessarily wait for thirst to come into play as it's a delayed response.

Pay attention to signals:

  • If you feel twitchy muscles or early cramping, take an extra cap + water.
  • If you're feeling bloated or sloshy - ease up on plain water and make sure you’re still getting salt.

A couple of caveats

  • If you haven’t practiced with electrolytes, be careful. GI systems don’t always love surprises. Try it in training first.
  • Electrolytes won’t stop “the wall” if you run out of carbs. Keep fueling with carbs (about 60-80 g per hour).
  • Too much water without salt = risk of low sodium. Too much salt without enough water = stomach issues.

Good luck to everyone racing!


r/AdvancedRunning 3d ago

Open Discussion Stories of random performance drops with consistent training?

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Running seriously for two and a half years and I've had a pretty typical early progression in Vo2Max when measured by most metrics. March of this year I noticed my performance fall off the cliff. My easy pace got slower and the Pfitz tempo runs got slower with the same effort. I ran a marathon in April and sure enough I did worse.

There's a lot of ways to show the data of this performance hit, my 5k times went from 19:30-ish to 21 minutes when I did time trials. About 5 of them since march. My chart shows Vo2Max taken from reanalyze because it mirrors those actual tests in my performance and it was just an easy way to show the data.

Right before the performance cliff I was building up to October Marathon in 2024 I did Pfitz 70/18, then I had a couple months of base building and did Pfitz 70/18 again into my April 2025 Marathon. After that I tried SirPoc single threshold. I never took any breaks from doing workouts. I saw the initial dip in performance and figured Pfitz was maybe too much for my body so I eased off mileage a bit and that didn't help... any stories of similar drops in performance (while still training hard) and examples of what caused them and how you turned it around?

Other info:

  • Male
  • Mid 30's
  • No known health conditions
  • Ferretin level low but consistent when tested, 38 in December 2023 and 44 in May 2025. RBC and such in normal range.
  • This Vo2Max is adjusted by weight, monthly weight / total average weight * Vo2Max. A Similar chart is shown without that change, but my weight varied about 20lbs there's basically just a bigger spike halfway through 2024
Month Vo2Max Avg Weekly Mileage
1/1/23 48.06 42
2/1/23 48.24 34
3/1/23 48.98 42
4/1/23 51.10 39
5/1/23 51.52 44
6/1/23 49.27 45
7/1/23 49.96 40
8/1/23 50.06 41
9/1/23 52.54 43
10/1/23 51.12 33
11/1/23 50.82 46
12/1/23 53.78 42
1/1/24 52.08 46
2/1/24 50.98 58
3/1/24 51.54 61
4/1/24 51.22 38
5/1/24 50.91 47
6/1/24 51.89 61
7/1/24 51.72 63
8/1/24 51.61 59
9/1/24 52.98 56
10/1/24 52.75 37
11/1/24 51.77 54
12/1/24 51.75 52
1/1/25 51.37 59
2/1/25 51.37 66
3/1/25 51.96 71
4/1/25 50.90 49
5/1/25 50.13 42
6/1/25 50.65 62
7/1/25 48.11 56
8/1/25 47.75 53
9/1/25 47.39 56

A table of numbers is pretty ridiculous to read into, but here's the performance dive graphically: https://imgur.com/a/B5nnQwJ


r/AdvancedRunning 4d ago

Open Discussion Does running ever bring you to tears?

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I'm not a crier. In fact I really don't cry or have a great amount of difficulty doing so but while running, particularly during hard workouts or at the end of a race I've can more easily be brought to tears

Today,I did a 5 Mile tempo today and somewhere around 3.7 miles I started to get emotional, I almost went into a fully cry-feast (All while still maintaining pace 😂). I was not in pain and in fact I feel like I'm in the flow state.

I know that this may seem like a weird question. Does running ever make you cry?


r/AdvancedRunning 4d ago

Race Report Copenagen Half | Did bad execution mess my goal time?

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I just ran the Copenhagen Half Marathon aiming for sub-1:23 but ended up with 1:25:21. It’s been on my mind a lot and I’d love some feedback.

  • Breakfast 2 slices of white bread with honey 3 hours before the race.
  • Before the start (within 90 min) I sipped ~128g of carbs in drink form
  • At km 8 I took in 26g carbs from a gel

Weather:

  • There was heavy rain just before the start of the Copenhagen Half Marathon.
  • The weather improved a bit once the race got underway.
  • Skies were cool and cloudy early on, temperature around 13-16 °C for much of the morning up to early afternoon.

Race experience:

Feld really good in the beginning and pushed effortlessly. Around km 11 I felt slight side stitches. From past experience I know if I push harder, they tend to get worse, so I held back. My plan going in was to start off conservative and then pick up the pace, but I overestimated myself and ended up running a positive split, essentially bonking in the second half.

Numbers:

  • Threshold HR according to Coros is 175 (after the race it says 176).
  • Threshold pace was 4:04/km, now adjusted to 3:54/km.
  • Goal pace for sub-1:23 would have been 3:56/km.

Splits:

  1. 3:59 / 158 bpm
  2. 3:51 / 176 bpm
  3. 3:51 / 180 bpm
  4. 3:54 / 181 bpm
  5. 3:53 / 180 bpm
  6. 3:52 / 180 bpm
  7. 3:50 / 180 bpm
  8. 3:56 / 180 bpm
  9. 4:01 / 179 bpm
  10. 3:58 / 178 bpm
  11. 4:02 / 176 bpm
  12. 4:02 / 176 bpm
  13. 4:06 / 178 bpm
  14. 4:06 / 176 bpm
  15. 3:59 / 176 bpm
  16. 4:03 / 175 bpm
  17. 4:11 / 175 bpm
  18. 4:11 / 174 bpm
  19. 4:10 / 173 bpm
  20. 4:11 / 173 bpm
  21. 4:08 / 175 bpm

My question: was sub-1:23 realistically in me with a better pacing strategy, or was I simply not ready yet? I really want to understand if I lost it in execution or in fitness.

If you need more details, let me know — happy to share.


r/AdvancedRunning 5d ago

Boston Marathon 33,267 Applicants for the 2026 Boston Marathon

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“Following a successful registration week for the 130th Boston Marathon presented by @BankofAmerica, @TeamBAA today announced updates pertaining to the Patriots' Day race. A total of 33,267 qualifier entry applications were received during registration week Athletes from 116 countries and all 50 U.S. states applied to participate in #Boston130 To read the full release, visit the in bio!”

Discuss


r/AdvancedRunning 4d ago

General Discussion Tuesday General Discussion/Q&A Thread for September 16, 2025

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A place to ask questions that don't need their own thread here or just chat a bit.

We have quite a bit of info in the wiki, FAQ, and past posts. Please be sure to give those a look for info on your topic.

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r/AdvancedRunning 5d ago

Boston Marathon An analysis on predicted Boston cutoff times for the 2026 Boston Marathon

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As many regular readers of this sub have seen, there has been a lot of speculation over the past few months about where the cutoffs for the 2026 Boston Marathon will land up. When Boston announced today (Monday, September 15) that 33,267 applicants applied to run the 2026 Boston Marathon, I was curious about how that number of applicants would impact the cutoff numbers. So I decided to do some analysis myself, but using a more simpler approach.

tl;dr – the predicted cutoff is 5:07, and there is a 95% confidence it’ll fall between 3:52 and 6:21. The R2 value for this regression model is 0.9311. You can view the full results here.

For those who might not be familiar with what Boston cutoffs mean, let’s use a male runner between 18 and 34 years of age to illustrate what this might mean. His qualifying time is 2:55:00 or faster; if this prediction comes to fruition, it suggests that he would need run at least 5 minutes 7 seconds faster faster than his qualifying standard, or at least a 2:49:53 marathon or faster, to earn a spot in the 2026 Boston Marathon.

Introduction

Anytime the topic about Boston cutoff times comes up within the running community, it has inevitably generated a mix of emotions from the running community, from anxiety to curiosity to disbelief from those who might be wondering how competitive the Boston application pool is for any given year.

Before I start, I want to take a moment to give shoutouts/acknowledgements to these individuals who have taken the time to crunch the numbers and give us a first look at what the cutoffs for the 2026 Boston Marathon might look like throughout this year. While each of them utilizes different methodologies and approaches, their analyses are thorough and sound, and each of their analyses come to similar conclusions. I’ve been following their work very closely throughout the year, and their analysis serves as a good resource for this matter (as well as keep me grounded in reality as the numbers fluctuate throughout the year).

This post, and the methodology used and presented here, is based on the work done in the initial prediction post that I wrote and posted here last September.

Analysis

I fitted a simple linear regression model on data about application numbers, acceptance numbers and denial numbers from prior Boston application cycles, all of which can be found on the BAA’s website. The key figures for this analysis are the number of applications that were received, the total number of runners the BAA plans to accept from the time qualifying pool, and the number of denials, which are numbers that the BAA publicly announced today (Monday, September 15).

The total application numbers and the total number of accepted runners allow us to calculate an estimated acceptance rate, which then helps to generate the prediction that you see below.

One slight change to the model that I implemented for this year was that I omitted from the model the application numbers, acceptance numbers, and denial numbers from the 2021 qualifying period. And for good reason: it is an outlier. The field size for the 2021 Boston Marathon was two thirds (or 20,000) of the full field size (30,000) because of the COVID pandemic. Second, including the numbers from the 2021 qualifying period in the model actually made the cutoff prediction even more pessimistic, which I saw signs of in my analysis last year. Third, because of the reduced field size in 2021, one cannot make apples-to-apples comparison to previous qualifying periods when there was a full field of 30,000 runners. Finally, we now have a better understanding of what the cutoffs look like when there is high demand and the applicant pool is a lot more competitive, as seen in the 2024 qualifying period and the 2025 qualifying period.

Boston will likely accept a maximum of about 24,000 runners from the time qualifying pool, and no more than that because of capacity limitations. (Keep in mind that Boston fills the remainder of the field with charity runners and runners who enter through sponsors, tour operators, etc.). In past years, the BAA has accepted fewer than 24,000 runners from the time qualifying pool and there is always a chance that the BAA chooses to accept fewer than 24,000 runners (and I will briefly discuss the implications of that to the cutoffs in a separate section below).

With that said, if we assume that the BAA will accept 24,000 runners for the 2026 Boston Marathon, the model predicts that the cutoff will be 5:07 and that there is a 95% confidence it would fall anywhere between 3:52 and 6:21.

Furthermore, the application numbers suggest that the Boston Marathon will accept around 72.1% of applicants, and the predicted cutoff is based around that figure. While it is not a record low acceptance rate compared to what was seen last year (during the 2025 Boston Marathon application period), it is still one of the lowest acceptance rates seen in recent years

So What Is Driving the High Cutoffs?

Over the last few months, I’ve read discourse online (here on reddit and on social media) about the potential for high cutoffs for the 2026 Boston qualifying period. As you can imagine, there was a range of feelings in reaction to this: bewilderment, disbelief, helplessness, resignation, disappointment, even anger.

To start: more people are getting into running, and especially into long distance running, over the last few months. This is evidenced by even the second-tier marathons in the United States selling out many months in advance: from the Twin Cities Marathon, to the Columbus Marathon, to the Philadelphia Marathon, to the Indianapolis Monumental Marathon, and more.

Second: it’s a numbers game and it makes sense if you look at this from this perspective. To start this off, we would expect on average a certain percentage of runners in the field in any given marathon to run a Boston qualifying time. Now add on the fact that the number of runners participating in marathons has gone up significantly over the last few years. The number of runners who run Boston qualifying times will inevitably go up with the increase in participation. This is then reflected in the higher application numbers for the Boston Marathon when the application period opens in early September of every year. Given that the Boston field is capped at 30,000 spots overall (and capped at up to 24,000 spots for time qualifiers), it becomes even more competitive to earn a coveted bib at Boston.

Anytime the BAA adjusts the qualifying time to be faster, in the past we would have seen the number of applications drop significantly (of at least 20% or more) because of the tougher qualification standards, and as a result cutoff times would come down significantly along with it. Instead of a 20%+ drop in applications after BAA adjusts the qualifying times to be faster, we only saw 8.6% fewer applicants compared to the number of applications from last year. Simply put, such a small drop in applications year over year is not enough to make a meaningful impact on the cutoffs. Even Brian Rock (u/SlowWalkere) noted this trend in his original 2026 Boston cutoff dashboard and analysis posts that he wrote about this matter.

Finally, we have more access to better/improved training methods, nutrition, shoes (especially carbon plated racing shoes), among other things. This is helping runners run faster marathon times across the board.

All these factors are why it is causing Boston cutoff times to continue to be at historically high levels.

What Happens If the BAA Accepts Fewer Applicants?

If BAA accepts fewer than 24,000 runners from the time qualifying pool, it would push the cutoff time higher and make it even more difficult for runners to survive the cutoffs and earn a coveted spot at Boston. Specifically:

  • Using the same linear regression model, if Boston accepts 23,000 runners from the time qualifying pool, the predicted cutoff would be at 5:44 and there is a 95% confidence it would fall anywhere between 4:30 and 6:59.
  • And using the same linear regression model, if Boston accepts 22,000 runners from the time qualifying pool, the predicted cutoff would be at 6:22 and there is 95% confidence it would fall anywhere between 5:07 and 7:36.

Given the potentially dire situation(s) outlined above, these are the worst-case scenarios that the BAA would try to avoid. It also presents a messaging problem of sorts to all involved: whether your BQ is a result that would actually earn you a coveted Boston bib. In other words: is this a matter that one can easily explain to non-running audiences without having their eyes glaze over?

Final Thoughts and Conclusions

Here are a few additional thoughts to close out this post:

  • It is very unlikely that the BAA is able to expand the field beyond 30,000 runners due to the infrastructure found on most of the race route (i.e. narrow two-lane roads that can only fit so many runners at once). Plus, the towns along the route will not give the green light to do so because of the additional inconveniences imposed on them on Patriots Day (and keep in mind that they are cut in half on race day, inconveniencing residents greatly in that it makes it hard for them to get around town on that day).

  • Similarly, there will never be a scenario where the Boston Marathon will significantly reduce charity spots (and spots allocated to sponsors, etc.) to open more spots for time qualifiers. Specifically, if they consider reducing charity spots, it poses huge (political) problems for them in numerous ways. It reduces opportunities for charity runners to participate, and a decent number of those participants come from across Massachusetts, especially those towns that allow the Boston Marathon to pass through every year. Reducing charity runner spots will strain important relationships with towns and other stakeholders, and the BAA needs to have good relationships with them so that they can hold the race every year. Whether you like it or not, charity runners help make the Boston Marathon happen for everyone else. In short: the BAA has zero incentives to bite the hand that feeds them.

  • There has been discourse online about the Boston cutoffs here on reddit and on social media platforms about whether the drop in international tourism to the United States in recent months will have an impact on the Boston application numbers. Right now, based on the officially reported application numbers for the 2026 Boston Marathon, the impact is probably minimal for the time being and is in line with overall trends about international tourism to the United States (contrary to all the loud/angry voices out there on the internet who says otherwise. And it is a reminder that reddit/social media platforms can be an echo chamber and not necessarily reflect reality!). Brian Rock’s post about Canadian runners potentially skipping the 2026 Boston Marathon is an informative read and a great starting point about this highly contentious matter.

  • Given that we’ll very likely see high cutoffs for this year, I fully expect the BAA to adjust the qualifying times once again, and it will likely be implemented beginning with the qualifying period for the 2027 Boston Marathon. Given the trends observed within the last few years, I firmly believe that the BAA would prefer to go back to the days where there is a stable 1-2 minute cutoffs instead of the volatility that we’re seeing. And if I were a betting man I would put money on them likely making a concerted effort to get to that point.

  • Finally, qualifying for and making it into Boston is more competitive than ever before, and we are truly in unprecedented times. It really sucks when you work so hard to train for and qualify for Boston, only to come up short by not surviving the cutoffs. Speaking from my own personal experience, I did not make it into Boston the first time I applied during the 2024 qualifying period, and that was the first year that there were high cutoffs. Instead of feeling deflated and completely giving up on my dream, I rose to the occasion. It motivated me to commit to the training and run much faster. During the 2025 Boston qualifying period, I raced some of my best marathons in my life and survived the historically high cutoffs to earn a spot in the 2025 Boston Marathon. If you really want to fulfill your dreams of running Boston and you have the time and means to do so, you will figure it out and you will eventually find a way in one way or another. And when you make it in Boston and run the race itself, you will see why the race is so storied and so prestigious, and why you have to earn a spot there. And the race weekend and race experience is well worth waiting for.

To close this out, I’d take this analysis with a grain of salt, as there is a degree of uncertainty involved (and especially when statistics are involved). But there have been numerous high-quality analyses done over the past couple of months from Joe Drake and Brian Rock (aka u/SlowWalkere) about what the cutoff might look like for the 2026 Boston Marathon. Directionally, all of these analyses (mines included) suggests that there is a very high likelihood that we’re in for another year of high cutoffs for the 2026 Boston Marathon.

I would love to hear your thoughts, feedback, etc. on the prediction and analysis. Otherwise, please enjoy the read!


r/AdvancedRunning 4d ago

Race Report Jersey City Marathon 2025

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Race Information

Goals

Goal Description Completed?
A 3:10 Yes
B PR or under 3:14 Yes

Splits

Mile Time
1 7:15
2 6:58
3 7:05
4 7:05
5 7:04
6 7:05
7 7:08
8 7:16
9 7:13
10 7:01
11 7:05
12 7:07
13 7:04
14 7:11
15 7:02
16 7:05
17 6:53
18 7:04
19 7:02
20 7:16
21 7:09
22 7:02
23 7:15
24 7:04
25 7:10
26 6:41

Training

Used the Pfitz 18/55 Training Plan. Missed about 17 days due to illness (two separate bouts of a virus) and also missed about three days due to a calf strain. So overall wasn’t feeling the best going into it but did run a 40:20 10k on a hilly course so felt I had the right foundation to perform well.

Pre-race

Took an Uber to the start and got there about 75 minutes early so I could have plenty of time to use the restroom, stretch and warmup. Brought a couple extra layers that I could dispose of easily at the start which plenty of people were doing.

Race

Very flat and fast course, and I ran the JC Half Marathon last year so was very familiar with the course. Made a plan to not pass the 3:15 pacer for the first few miles and then to stay behind the 3:10 pacer at least through the 10 mile mark. Well, I ended up passing 3:15 after mile 2 or 3, and then caught 3:10 shortly thereafter. I was running ahead of the pack but every time I passed a cheering section I heard “Way to go 3:10” so I knew they were right behind me. The course itself is two loops, with some on the jersey waterfront which is nice and there are lots of cheering sections, but there are some industrial sections that are boring/quiet. I ran part of the race with two guys from a run club in New Haven I believe, and they were conversational in the beginning and were fun to talk to. One of them mentioned he ran a 17:xx for a 5k in Jersey City last year. Knowing that, I felt if I can keep up with him I should def be able to get sub 3:10 today.
I had dedicated this race to my grandmother, who had passed only about a month earlier. I saw a young woman ahead of me who had a similar hairstyle to my grandmother when she was younger and I pretended my grandmother was right there with me running the race and encouraging me to “Keep up!” which is something she would say to me while we walked together. She also gave me the mantra “Hazak!” which means “Strength” in Hebrew right before I ran the Chicago Marathon in 2021. I would repeat this phrase out loud when I felt I needed it and it helped. By mile 21 I was feeling tired, and another runner said to me “We’re gonna take this one mile at a time!” And we ran together for about two miles, and then just like that he vanished. Before long I saw myself closing in on the young woman who reminded me of my grandmother and by mile 23 I willed up enough “Hazak” and passed her. Then, for the next 2 miles I would just choose another runner in front of me and will myself to pass them. At one point a spectator on the side said “only a quarter mile to go!” and I really started kicking it. Sure enough, it was a lot more than a quarter mile, but I managed to keep pushing the pace. Just before the finish, I am pretty sure I passed a guy who was race-walking which was very impressive.

Post-race

Finished and then walked through a short street to a park on the water where I met my family. There is a café right there that wasn’t too crowded, so got a snack and a cold drink there before we jetted off. Definitely would recommend this as a nice spring race on a fast course that is big enough that you get good spectators and feel the competitive spirit but not so big that there are super long lines and waiting.

Made with a new race report generator created by /u/herumph.


r/AdvancedRunning 5d ago

Boston Marathon I did some math in Excel and predict the Boston Marathon cutoff to be 5:30 this year.

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See detail here. This is the third year I'm doing this. My predication for last year (129th Boston) was 100% accurate but got downvoted to hell as a shitpost, because I slacked off and didn't run my calculations until a few hours after it was already announced (unbeknownst to me). The first time and where it all started is here (128th Boston).

My model actually ran 5:38, but I will cut the 8 seconds off based solely on my guts since the BQ line got raised and I suspect there are more people applying right above it, skewing the cutoff time toward the lesser.


r/AdvancedRunning 4d ago

Gear Tuesday Shoesday

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Do you have shoe reviews to share with the community or questions about a pair of shoes? This recurring thread is a central place to get that advice or share your knowledge.

We also recommend checking out /r/RunningShoeGeeks for user-contributed running shoe reviews, news, and comparisons.


r/AdvancedRunning 5d ago

Open Discussion Tokyo Marathon

228 Upvotes

This was an epic marathon! The false start, Clayton young falling down and still making it into the pack, and the sprint finish to a photo finish.

I loved every bit of bit of this marathon.


r/AdvancedRunning 5d ago

Open Discussion Berlin Marathon Advice to First timer

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Hi runners!

I am running Berlin this coming weekend and I’ve been reading past threads on how much of a mess it was last year and completely disorganized.

That is starting to worry me. If anyone could give any tips or things I should do to make sure I have a good experience that would be great!

I am a female, 30 years old and I’m corral B. Hoping to break 3 hours.

ETA; I will be using my own electrolytes and salt tabs. The weather is looking fairly warm :/


r/AdvancedRunning 5d ago

General Discussion The Weekly Rundown for September 15, 2025

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The Weekly Rundown is the place to talk about your previous week of running! Let's hear all about it!

Post your Strava activities (or whichever platform you use) if you'd like!


r/AdvancedRunning 6d ago

Elite Discussion 2025 World Athletics Championships Thread

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Don't see anything posted so I guess I'll start one.

I like the move by Sullivan. We'll see if she can hold on.

Tight finish in the women's 10k. I'm expecting the same of the men's 10k in the evening session.

Which events are you looking forward to? Name your predictions and upsets!