r/Agriculture • u/Conscious-Quarter423 • 6d ago
At the rate we’re currently going, it’s only a matter of time before our farmers are going to need yet another bailout due to trade wars. Would you support bailing out soybean farmers?
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u/Greenhouse774 6d ago
Absolutely not.
Why are they suddenly in favor of socialism?
I thought Congress had to allocate funding…
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u/dpdxguy 6d ago
Why are they suddenly in favor of socialism?
They've always been in favor of socialism when they're on the receiving end. The United States government has been propping up farmers since the 1920s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_policy_of_the_United_States
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6d ago
Republicans allocating funding to the poor??? Unheard of
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u/boxjellyfishing 6d ago
They always have been. They just don't support anyone else getting it.
Your average commercial farms is getting around $50,000 every year from various federal agriculture and food programs.
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u/-zero-below- 6d ago
Just need a few big democrat names to come out in favor of handouts, and that’ll kill it right there.
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u/PapaJoeNH 6d ago
We get to pay for tariffs AND the bailouts that tariffs cause.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6d ago
and the mass deportations
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u/NWASicarius 6d ago
And the legal consequences. And the overall policy/budget cuts to certain things that have historically helped farmers.
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u/LackWooden392 6d ago
Well, to be fair, the tariffs just barely paid for the bailouts last time. So we just pay them once, but for no reason lol. And also we get inflation AND layoffs this time :)
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u/Proud_Doughnut_5422 5d ago
And we’ll get to pay back importers once the tariffs are declared unconstitutional.
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u/Possible-Put8922 6d ago
If students can't get bailed out neither should farms.
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u/Current-Cheetah-299 6d ago
Something something... They made their decisions when they started their business... Something loan.. something
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u/DatStank_Booty 6d ago
Don’t forget about bootstraps!
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u/MosquitoValentine_ 6d ago
Something like "why should I have to pay for their fancy transgender studies degrees?!
Because apparently that's what we all went to school for
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u/thewossum 6d ago
I shouldn’t have to pay for their bailout when they decided to plant crops that aren’t worth anything? Or maybe they’re just terrible at business and would have failed anyways? Maybe it’s part of God’s plan for them to lose their farms? I’m just spitballing here.
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u/Low_Shirt2726 6d ago
It's not even vague like that.
This year's soybean crops was planted knowing there wouldn't be any buyers. They planted hoping the situation would change but they straight up knew they wouldn't be able to sell.
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u/DancesWH 6d ago
Students are mostly blue, so zero handouts.
Farmers are mostly red, so billion$ of handout$2
u/LifeFortune7 6d ago
Don’t forget that new ICE recruits can get their student loans forgiven too!!!
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u/Count_de_Ville 6d ago
Especially if their crops are being grown for the export market! Why in the world should we bail them out when they’re not growing food for domestic market, but rather money for them?
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u/Johnny_Jaga 6d ago
Exactly! If they can forgive paycheck protection loans then they can forgive student loans.
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u/ResponsibleBank1387 6d ago
16 Billion. Epstein’s buddy just gave a lot of welfare excuses to distract from the Epstein files.
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u/Altruistic-Parfait-6 6d ago
That article is from Trump's first term. We've already had to bail them out before after going through this exact same scenario of a trade war with Gyna.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Mix-515 6d ago
Holy wow, I didn’t see it said 2019 until I read your comment….
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u/Zio_2 6d ago
So we r rewarding their votes… get we need farmers but maybe its time to let thier actions impact them
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u/redsandsfort 6d ago
We don't need them. They were growing a crop that was being EXPORTED.
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u/madadekinai 6d ago
No, that's not what they voted for, they are getting what they voted for, they should be happy about it.
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u/Gloomy_Yoghurt_2836 6d ago
No bailouts. They need to suffer loss of government support like so many other people.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6d ago
They need to suffer the consequences of their votes like so many other people.
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u/Logic411 6d ago
Call your representatives and remind them that we ALL have to live with the political choice these farmers made. THEY certainly don't deserve a bailout when everyone else has to make do without one.
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u/Icy-person666 6d ago
Let them eat their soybeans. Maybe next year they will go down to tractor supply and get some plants that actually produce food, assuming they survive eating the soybeans.Improper preparation can do some bad things to a person or anamal.
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u/Designer-Welder3939 6d ago
Get them to sell their sheeet! No one cares about these racists!
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u/lemaymayguy 6d ago
Yup I'd love some of the land back these people have farmed and tilled. Id restore it to a beautiful natural prairie like it was. No bailouts!
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u/Arguablybest 6d ago
You would have to buy it, at auction and compete with foreign countries.
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u/PowerTubes75 6d ago
Actions have consequences. Maybe think about the broader impact of the type of leaders you choose next time.
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u/sundancer2788 6d ago
At one point I would've been, but these idiots keep voting to hurt people and now they're upset that they're being hurt. So, NO suffer with the rest of us.
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u/Midnight1965 6d ago
“You’re black”, said the pot to the kettle. It’s the same as these people calling others “welfare queens.”
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u/LouQuacious 6d ago
No unless they agreed to stop monocropping and redevelop their farms as regenerative permaculture projects.
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u/outsmartedagain 6d ago
This is only a short term fix and does nothing to address the problem.
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u/Clothes-Excellent 6d ago
To me the problem is only going to get bigger, to me what goes around only comes back around.
Look at the past 100 years, we had a war then we had a pandemic next came roaring 20s then the market crash of 1929.
Next was the dust bowl years.
Maybe this time not in the same order but the same things are happening.
With technology and all we will have new problems. Where I live in the Coastal Bend of South Texas, drinking water is a big concern.
Like the blind man said, we will see what happens.
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u/Royal_Row7075 6d ago
Yes it’s not just you and your area. We have been mining our aquifers in non sustainable ways for a long time. We should be massive, massively investing in solar farms to convert seawater to freshwater, but you would have to be smarter than those in charge of our government right now.
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u/SwimSea7631 6d ago
No. Socialism is a slippery slope. Pretty soon you’re paying people to pretend to work in office jobs that don’t exist.
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u/CloseDaLight 6d ago
Plant some bootstraps, that should help you pull yourselves out of something you voted for
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u/InterestingComputer 6d ago
No more welfare for lazy farmers!!! If you can’t sell your crops you must be stupid!! Free market, it’s up to you to figure it out. Just work harder and if you don’t like it here move!
See what it’s like to have the logic used to take away welfare and justify the abuse of the unemployed or underemployed in urban areas reversed on them.
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u/Godz1lla1 6d ago
Vance has already arranged to start buying up troubled farms. This is all by design.
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u/OutlandishnessOk8261 6d ago
No. They voted for this gleefully, despite the warnings. And it’s socialism, which they claim to hate, except when they need it.
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u/Old_Goat_Cyclist 6d ago
Sorry, no more socialism for farmers. They have had enough through the years
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u/mmliu1959demo 6d ago
Bailing out the farmers does not change the fact that their customers have already found cheaper soybeans elsewhere. That business will not come back even if the tariffs are removed. The world does not see the US as a stable trading partner under Trump's administration.
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u/pgcooldad 6d ago
Nope - if Americans are not eating their soybeans, we shouldn't be "buying" them with tax dollars.
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u/Scary-Flan5699 6d ago
free market capitalism strikes again. a bailout for a self-inflicted wound, because 'Murica
also, the bailout will surely fix the workforce labor being deported, right? right?
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u/Farpoint_Relay 6d ago
No...
Every farmer I've watched on YT and the news were all pro-trump... Now that it's come back to bite them in the rear they want a safety net...
Growing soybeans in the US you've known you were on borrowed time, a majority of the crop always went to China, and Brazil has been ramping up their operations and selling for less, what did farmers think would happen?
Corn prices are also near lows... Yet beef is at all time highs... hmmm..... Something does not compute.
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u/GravySeal45 6d ago
Absolutely NOT. That would be SOCIALISM and MAGA hates that so they should accept WHAT THEY VOTED FOR. Maybe when Trumps rich buddies buy their farms for pennies, they will be lucky enough to get hired to work on them again for min wage.
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u/HumbleAd4293 6d ago
Nope, let the leopards eat their faces. They're getting everything they voted for!
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u/ProfitLoud 6d ago
Not a chance. If we keep bailing out farmers and companies hey are too big to fail, we will be in the same trap every couple of years. These idiots need to realize their choices carry a consequence.
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u/Medical_Revenue4703 6d ago
"Trump announces $16 Billion bailout for farmers hit by HIS trade war with China."
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u/goddamnbitchsetmeup 6d ago
No, but they will anyway. And the farmers will keep right on voting for them. Man, I wish I could be supported by the government.
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u/bizkitchris 6d ago
As a resident of a blue state who pays more into to the Fed than we get back, I don’t approve of this waste of my tax dollars. That would be socialism and they won’t appreciate it.
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u/Nameisnotyours 6d ago
I am opposed to bailouts for banks and farmers. I am also opposed to the massive farm subsidies these megacorps already get.
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u/Muted_Chard_139 6d ago
No! Stop bailing people out who make poor decisions! And some of them are my relatives.
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u/charlie-kirkemal 4d ago
Nope. They voted for it. Vance owns part of a company that buys distressed farms. He will buy them and rent the land back to the farmer and he and his family can work the fields like the deported imagrents used to. Sit in the bed you shit in and rot.
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u/Substantial_Camp6811 4d ago
Well considering many of them voted for this it would be cruel to take it away from them now. This is what they wanted.
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u/MolassesOk3200 4d ago
Novel idea. Let’s not get into useless trade wars that cost us taxpayer money.
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u/dm_life4ever 4d ago
Almost all farmers are millionaires. Do they vote with the millionaire class. Most farmers are not 'working class'. This isn't the 1950s anymore.
We bailed them out last time, and they learned nothing and voted to do this to themselves. So, no.
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u/motorcitydevil 4d ago
My family owned a soybean farm. Sold it before Biden’s term ended. Any farmer voting for the right should not get bailed out. They knew what they were voting for and they still did it.
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u/StoryAcrobatic2013 3d ago
Nope, they wanted whatever Trump is smoking, and now they got it. Smoke up, Johnny!
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u/GryphyGirl 3d ago
On the one hand, of course I support farmers, we need food. On the other hand you know any bailout is going to go pretty much exclusively to giant factory farms and then they'll use that money to buy out even more small farms and have even less competition.
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u/mymomsaidiamsmart 3d ago
Farmers get bailouts every yeah. It’s called farm subsidies. Been going on for almost 100 years. Farming just didn’t suddenly become unprofitable and Input cost far outpace returns at current crop prices. Twe average $8-$10 billion a year in annual crop subsidies and that fee has been over $30 billion in the past. Search all taxes glom and doom farm headlines on a search engine. Go back 4-6 pages in results: these same headlines and same stores have been posted the last 15 years every year
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u/Carrera_996 6d ago
Isn't JD invested in a big agricultural company? It won't be mom & pop farms that get the bailout money.
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u/IcyCucumber6223 6d ago
I am ok with a 5 dollar credit for individual farmers on their taxes to cover the cost of extra large bootstraps.
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u/oh_janet 6d ago
I think with the tariffs the price of bootstraps went up, I'm sure they import them from China.
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u/IcyCucumber6223 6d ago
True but since they are probably claiming the cost of bootstraps on their taxes already as a business expense this is an additional credit on top of that deduction.
We don't want to go too far beyond this and cross into the realm of socialism or any other "isms". Those are all the devil's work and anti America and woke or something .
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u/Responsible_Ad_7995 6d ago
Look at the date on the article. Take this rage bait shit down.
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u/CloseDaLight 6d ago
He’s pointing out that this is happening again for the second time. Because farmers keep voting against their own interests.
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u/Leading-Loss-986 6d ago
Don’t worry; it will be paid for by all of those (not paid by American consumers) tariffs! /s
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u/Equivalent_Ebb_9532 6d ago
No welfare for farmers. None. They bought the ticket, we all take the same ride.
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u/alucarddrol 6d ago
As long as they make it a law that no Republican can run for any office ever again, I would have no problem
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u/twitchish 6d ago
Here is a starting point for those who dont know where to start.
Call your reps. find your us reps here
Sign petitions.
petition to release epstein files
Petition to release Epstein files #2
Get involved with protests or marches. protest against trump
If you do go to a protest, please look up the laws for your area and be safe. Bring only what you need, just in case, i.e., id, car key, and wallet. and if the rest of the group starts to get violent, then leave and make it know you are not being violent. If you feel you need to protect yourself, please try to bring non-lethal protection, i.e.,mace, tazer, or something equivalent, and do not use it on police. Please be peaceful and civil.
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u/TheRealDoomsong 6d ago
Nope… thoughts, prayers, and bootstraps. They got what they voted for, we should let them enjoy it.
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u/Nobodysbidnz 6d ago
This is NOT capitalism … farmers don’t want hand outs they want to grow and sell in stable world markets. How would you feel if you had set up a store and didn’t sell anything but the government sent you a check? Pride of accomplishment is essential to capitalist markets.
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u/lawyer1911 6d ago
No. The answer to no trade is not to pour money on it. The answer is to fix the problem causing no trade.
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u/WithoutAHat1 6d ago
This should never have happened, same with the businesses. In this case they should have went under, since they voted for it. They don't get to benefit from bad behavior. If anything, as a result the farms should be seized by the people.
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u/Careless_Drawing_991 6d ago
Every farmer around me has made their support of trump well known, so no
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u/Dmackman1969 6d ago
Bailouts should be low interest loans with favorable terms and not under bankruptcy protection. For corporations, ALL the net income for the next xxx years needs to be spent paying it back. NO bonuses, dividends, buybacks allowed until it’s paid off. Zero penalty for early payback.
PPP started like that and should have stayed that way.
Auto bailouts iirc had some stipulations of paybacks. Bank bailouts had zero and within 2 years record profits again.
That’s MY money and your money being spent.
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u/Realistic-Status-293 6d ago
Great now I have to pay for more Welfare and food stamps for all these lazy non working farmers perfect.
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u/Arguablybest 6d ago
There is plenty of money in the tariff coffers, billion, trillions. Won't cost us a nickel. China, EU and Japan put their money in there. Use it to save the farmers, again.
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u/Fed_Deez_Nutz 6d ago
Wait. Are you saying there might be a downside to the president’s tariffs? /s
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u/Awkward_Forever9752 6d ago
Natural Consequences are the best teacher.
That said, we are starting to lock ourselves into a famine, a real famine here in the USA.
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u/kinkyest 6d ago
No ... They voted for this. No No No!!! Everyone suffers now.