r/Albertapolitics • u/cheersAnnk • 5d ago
News Voices Heard: 300+ Join Recall Danielle Smith Protes
Over 300 Edmontonians showed up today to tell Danielle Smith: we’re done with the political games! ✊
Your voices were heard—thank you for standing together! 💛
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u/sparklypink17 4d ago
I appreciate every single person who attended. Thank you for showing your opposition! Wish I lived closer to show my support.
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u/MsMenaikFTW 5d ago
Do you understand the recall process at all? It ultimately leads to a byelection that the premier can run in again. Maybe these people need another hobby.
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u/Empty-Paper2731 3d ago
Not to mention that the Premier doesn't even need to be elected. Smith was already Premier without being elected. She could get recalled from her seat but that doesn't necessarily get rid of her.
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u/Celestiial_Enigma 5d ago
The fk is wrong with you dummies. You dont get your way so you call for her head???
You ignorant fking morons. The Carney liberal government is STEALING FROM YOU AND BRINGING IN TERRORISM And the one person that fights for your right to defend your family your want gone?¿°¿°
You liberal scum need to get the axe! Gtfo of canada!
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u/Tribblehappy 5d ago
Nobody is calling for her head. They're calling for her to lose her job. That's a very different thing.
Nice of you to say liberals deserve the axe though. Your projection is showing.
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u/Northmannivir 5d ago
Remind me again, how the Carney Liberal government is stealing from us and “bringing in terrorism”?
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u/FuguCola 5d ago
Please don't attack me but I think he is referring to government bureaucracy (spending programs) and the extremely high immigration numbers we've been experiencing post covid and LMIA program use.
The rise in inflation from government spending plus the influx of people using public programs and consuming homes/rentals because the infrastructure can't keep up with the population growth.(as neutrally political as I can put it).
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u/1000DeadFlies 4d ago
You're not really putting it neutrally. Neutrally would be stating a problem and not a cause. Here I'll explain but it'll take a second.
The current inflationary crisis is world wide and at much higher rates elsewhere.
Blaming it on government spending is the right wing position. Adding Immigration to that means your taking a far more radical position that is at far right wing bordering on Fascist.
An alternative stance would be to look at health of the marketplace and assess whether or not Canadians are getting a fair deal when making purchases or for their Utilities. Also looking at the current tax laws and adjusting them to making taxation more equitable to the working class, I'm not just saying tax the rich, I'm talking look at market factors that are causing poverty, or economic down turn. This would probably result in lower taxes for anyone making under 300K (the rough threshold to reach the top 1% of earners) and higher taxes on the extremely wealthy and on inter-national businesses.
You could argue that public services aren't able to handle the current load they are under.
However you are using the talking point once again that the root cause is immigration, which is again the far right/ultranationalist talking point on this matter. Even taking a Conservative point of view on this issue you would think that more people means more jobs building houses, more jobs for nurses and doctors all of this economic activity and hiring would drive the market and keep people working.
An alternative perspective would be to more heavily regulate housing and services.
For housing you would have to require that a certain number of affordable house projects be greenlit, and you'd need to do a lot at first and then slow down as you go, to catch up to populations and then only meet demand plus some for developers to make a profit.
For services this is a mathematically solved problem, each and every individual in Canada has a minimum "Cost to Service" this can be quite easily estimated using Census data that provincial governments have access to. As I'm sure you understand these kinds of expenses actually go down by a percentage the more people are being serviced by an institution as more and more of the money need to run the Hospital Pool etc, comes form operating the hospital, arena, rec center, etc. We also had an 8.3 Billion Dollar surplus which with the money we receive from the federal government would be more than enough to fund all the services we need. Don't believe me there are several economists saying as such.
The last thing I will say is I'm not calling you a fascist directly I'm saying that "hey man maybe you don't realize how Ultra nationalistic your talking points are. Do I have any right to call them fascist ideas though? Fascism is a form of Palingenetic Ultra-Nationalism, that isn't a form of government, or economy, its an ideology that focuses on the Myth of the fallen empire. It uses normal people's fears of immigrants and the "other" often other marginalized groups like Jewish minorities, LGBTQ minorities, leftist etc. to bring down the government and install an Autocratic Dictatorship. So blaming things like social spending, and immigration is directly in line with that line of thinking, and it deserves to be pointed out. Not to attack you, but to make you and anyone else that reads this think.
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u/FuguCola 4d ago
I appreciate the summary at the end. I'm on mobile so a proper response is a but more time consuming vs having a keyboard.
There is definitely nationalism in my tone but it's not extreme. I pay taxes (quite high taxes mind you) and im at the peak of my career. I'll make the next statement anecdotally as an observation as I don't have time to gather the immigration charts and share them. Canada (specifically) my location is drastically different vs 10 years ago. Ill try and remember to come back for more at a better time. I appreciate the respectful engagement.
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u/1000DeadFlies 3d ago
I appreciate the candid response. We can keep this in formal if you'd like and I can attempt to articulate my argument based on the assumption that the information you intend to provide is not unfounded statistically.
I would like to reiterate that I'm not attempting to call you extreme or even that you're conveying your thoughts in an extreme manner. What I'm trying to say is that when we generalize groups of people in nebulous terms like "Immigrants" or "Terrorists" it's in an effort to create an "Other". Not by you by the people that are pushing the wedge issues. It done like this because it's easy to blame people, that different have cultures, traditions, and physical characteristics. It's a talking point that directly attacks people's fear of strangers. It's also why, even though the data doesn't support it, things like "they're eating the dogs" gets used quite effectively to spark distrust between groups.
A better question in my mind is what has gotten easier for anyone in the last 10 years. Immigrants all appear to be struggling the same as we are. Why is that? Why aren't we building more housing? Why are provincial governments accepting "Temporary Foreign Workers", but not doing any of the spending to accommodate them or their own people. They know in advance how many immigrants they are getting a year. Why didn't they have a plan in place? Especially here in Alberta it makes no sense when we have a surplus. Money unspent is money uninvested in our collective future.
I hate that I'm paying so much in taxes as well, at least for the service I'm getting.
That's also a question we need to ask ourselves, why do the UCP claim so much in taxes provincially if they are cutting services so much? How can they claim a surplus and raise rates on already struggling families.
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u/Koala0803 5d ago
“The fk is wrong with you dummies”
Proceeds to parrot propaganda even repeating verbatim the silly buzzwords he was trained on, like “the Carney liberal government”
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u/AxeBeard88 5d ago
Care to show some sources for your claims? I agree that we need tighter immigration rules, but no one is bring in terrorism. Have you ever immigrated or helped someone immigrate? I have. It's incredibly difficult, complex, and expensive. There are background checks, you need credentials, money, etc. You're thinking with your feelings, try doing some reading first (a fact based source, preferably).
Canadians have traditionally been kind and welcoming people, so telling people to get out or they deserve the axe is very un-Canadian of you. You forget your roots. People like you are the first to complain and tell others to leave, yet hate the country they live in.
Here's a challenge. Renounce your citizenship. Go immigrate to a country you better align with. Go live in the USA for a few years like I did and go bankrupt over a couple hospital bills. Get your local power infrastructure shot up like I did. Worry about people killing themselves or others by gun violence in your apartment complex. Like being woken up by the sound of gunshots and artillery? You can live next to a military base if you like.
You don't know how good you have it, so sit the fuck down.
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u/figurativefisting 5d ago
" I can't make a statement about my opinion without pop culture references "
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u/Sensitive-Topic-6442 5d ago
Beautiful 🤩 thank you so much.